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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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#5401
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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
In the majority of the game I didn't see Garrus very happy at all, his face always had an angry look on his face. In the first conversation with him Shepard face at the end looks worried. I guess it's because Garrus went through a lot. I noticed that most of his conversations, even the first one after he gets his faced scarred end up with him talking in a sad tone IMO. Plus they don't really end well, he just says "Thanks for coming by Shepard I've got work to do".


:(
"I just want to put my arms around him, tell him everything's going to be all right"
:(

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Headcount wrote...

Have anyone seen this pic?  It offers a nice chuckle. :)

http://goha7777.devi...-sink-155153216


THIS.

This is what I should be able to pester Garrus with in the middle of a firefight! 

Thank you, Headcount.

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Garrus is such a pig
Always thinking with his head.
(here all night.)

Modifié par MidnightSG, 23 mars 2010 - 04:10 .


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I think I'm one of the minority that doesn't find killing Sidonus wrong. But that could be from Renegade tendencies.



However, I won't let him kill Sid until he hears him out. I shot the scientist with Garrus RIGHT THERE. I'd be the galaxy's BIGGEST hypocrite to tell him not to do right by his whole team, Sid included, and finish it.

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Headcount wrote...

Have anyone seen this pic?  It offers a nice chuckle. :)


http://goha7777.devi...-sink-155153216


I think Zaeed is my favorite part.

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Eh, I didn't shoot Dr. Saleon. Somebody else did when he pulled his gun out. It's not the Batman way.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Am I the only one who dragged Garrus on every mission just to hear his delicious voice as often as possible? :kissing:


Your asking this on a garrus fan thread?


Duh! Sorry :ph34r::P

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I don't think killing Sidonis is wrong. I would have killed Sidonis. Zaeed would have killed Sidonis. Mordin would have killed Sidonis.



But I didn't want Garrus to kill Sidonis.

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Umanix wrote...

Headcount wrote...

Have anyone seen this pic?  It offers a nice chuckle. :)

http://goha7777.devi...-sink-155153216


THIS.

This is what I should be able to pester Garrus with in the middle of a firefight! 

Thank you, Headcount.


Glad you liked it.  I enjoy sharing.  Image IPB

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
 Something else I noticed is that we didn't need any paragon or renegade choices to stop him from shooting Sidonis meaning that he knew it was wrong and that if he really wanted it he would've done it regardless of what Shepard says. I think even at the end Shepard moves out of the way and if it didn't happen I would've liked if Shepard had done that.


I've always gotten the feeling that Garrus firmly intends to do whatever you end up choosing for him.

Disclaimer: Right here I'll stop and say that I don't think Shepard is forcing him to think either way; since it's easy to give that impression when talking about this.

I feel like the options to encourage or dissuade Garrus from his revenge are more of a way of choosing what kind of Garrus exists in your game, the one you've guided and helped since ME1.  In ME1 he was young and rash, and definitely guided by Shepard into a way of thinking.

But in ME2 he's matured and I think he's fully developed into his own person.  When the time comes for Garrus's loyalty mission, the player is given the option to decide how they want this Garrus to turn out (usually based on however you've guided him in ME1).   Bottom line:  If Garrus takes the shot, he came to that decision on his own. If he doesn't, he came to that decision on his own.  An encouraging remark or a cautionary sentence from Shepard may cause him to consider one option or the other, but whichever route you picked in your game is the route Garrus wishes to take.

I hope I made that clear enough, it's hard to describe. (And it's my opinion.  I can see how this could be interpreted differently.)

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siltsonata wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
 Something else I noticed is that we didn't need any paragon or renegade choices to stop him from shooting Sidonis meaning that he knew it was wrong and that if he really wanted it he would've done it regardless of what Shepard says. I think even at the end Shepard moves out of the way and if it didn't happen I would've liked if Shepard had done that.


I've always gotten the feeling that Garrus firmly intends to do whatever you end up choosing for him.

Disclaimer: Right here I'll stop and say that I don't think Shepard is forcing him to think either way; since it's easy to give that impression when talking about this.

I feel like the options to encourage or dissuade Garrus from his revenge are more of a way of choosing what kind of Garrus exists in your game, the one you've guided and helped since ME1.  In ME1 he was young and rash, and definitely guided by Shepard into a way of thinking.

But in ME2 he's matured and I think he's fully developed into his own person.  When the time comes for Garrus's loyalty mission, the player is given the option to decide how they want this Garrus to turn out (usually based on however you've guided him in ME1).   Bottom line:  If Garrus takes the shot, he came to that decision on his own. If he doesn't, he came to that decision on his own.  An encouraging remark or a cautionary sentence from Shepard may cause him to consider one option or the other, but whichever route you picked in your game is the route Garrus wishes to take.

I hope I made that clear enough, it's hard to describe. (And it's my opinion.  I can see how this could be interpreted differently.)

I hope you're right.  I've been grooming this boy to fit in the Renegade pants since day 1. : p
Paragons seemed to have gottena  backslide, but then again, you DIED...

But I'll be really ticked if you have to make  him go Paragon to get the "good" romance/end with him.  So far, BW's done a good job in NOT being cheesy that way.  But still... I better get my happy ending :ph34r:

#5412
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kglaser wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
In the majority of the game I didn't see Garrus very happy at all, his face always had an angry look on his face. In the first conversation with him Shepard face at the end looks worried. I guess it's because Garrus went through a lot. I noticed that most of his conversations, even the first one after he gets his faced scarred end up with him talking in a sad tone IMO. Plus they don't really end well, he just says "Thanks for coming by Shepard I've got work to do".


:(
"I just want to put my arms around him, tell him everything's going to be all right"
:(


Since my primary shepard is male, i would give him a pat on the back or by him a drink. In this game apparantly he is supposed to be a tad more anti-social then in the first game, i hope i could fix that with dlc by the time mass effect 3 comes out.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 23 mars 2010 - 04:31 .


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siltsonata wrote...

But in ME2 he's matured and I think he's fully developed into his own person.  When the time comes for Garrus's loyalty mission, the player is given the option to decide how they want this Garrus to turn out (usually based on however you've guided him in ME1).   Bottom line:  If Garrus takes the shot, he came to that decision on his own. If he doesn't, he came to that decision on his own.  An encouraging remark or a cautionary sentence from Shepard may cause him to consider one option or the other, but whichever route you picked in your game is the route Garrus wishes to take.

I hope I made that clear enough, it's hard to describe. (And it's my opinion.  I can see how this could be interpreted differently.)


I support this theory whole heartedly.  It's like alternate universes exist for different Shepards.  One person's Mass Effect experience is no more valid than another's.

So Garrus.  In favor of the renegade or paragon route?  Renegade all the way for me.

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silentstephi wrote...
I hope you're right.  I've been grooming this boy to fit in the Renegade pants since day 1. : p
Paragons seemed to have gottena  backslide, but then again, you DIED...

But I'll be really ticked if you have to make  him go Paragon to get the "good" romance/end with him.  So far, BW's done a good job in NOT being cheesy that way.  But still... I better get my happy ending :ph34r:


I'm fairly certain renegades won't have different endings.  Bioware harps on a lot about how renegade isn't evil (and it's true:  most renegade players I know don't play as a Sith Lord, they play as someone who gets the job done/someone with a dark sense of humor :P)  so I think they'd better put their money where their mouth is and make sure that romances exist separately from alignment.

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Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 23 mars 2010 - 04:34 .


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Holy shifty-looking cow, so much discussion. I won't drag in topics of Christmas past but on Sidonis...

This mission is, as Garrus pretty much says, one giant blob of morally gray. That's why you get his loyalty no matter which path you take. There's so much room for interpretation and I think that's the idea. Por ejemplo:

My main Shep didn't let him take the shot. She mowed down surrendering slavers as thirst for vengeance for what happened on Mindoir but when she got a bit older, she realized that she really had committed an atrocity even though she got the job done. She doesn't want Garrus to have to go through something like that. Better to let Sid walk and let him wallow than to let Garrus become the Butcher of Omega so to speak.

My other MEGA Paragon Shep actually let Garrus take the shot after hearing Sid out. In her mind, Garrus had already made up his mind and even though she knows it's wrong, she wants him to learn a little something by killing a broken man. Image IPB Hmm...What a b!itch.

In short, it's what you make of it and I really think that's what they had in mind when writing it. Just my two cents.


Edit: Spacing...Image IPB

Modifié par Soltana, 23 mars 2010 - 04:40 .


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siltsonata wrote...
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But in ME2 he's matured and I think he's fully developed into his own person.  When the time comes for Garrus's loyalty mission, the player is given the option to decide how they want this Garrus to turn out (usually based on however you've guided him in ME1).   Bottom line:  If Garrus takes the shot, he came to that decision on his own. If he doesn't, he came to that decision on his own.  An encouraging remark or a cautionary sentence from Shepard may cause him to consider one option or the other, but whichever route you picked in your game is the route Garrus wishes to take.

I hope I made that clear enough, it's hard to describe. (And it's my opinion.  I can see how this could be interpreted differently.)


I think that's actually quite well put and describes my reasoning for taking the route where Sidonis is spared. Yeah, my Shepard would have shot Sidonis. But I decided Garrus wasn't the sort who would. In the end, Shepard gets as much of the story as he can from Sidonis before stepping aside to give Garrus a clear shot. Even Sidonis stays where he is and puts his life before Garrus.

I like to think that, in the end, Garrus saw a broken man who he had personally known once. Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure my Shepard would have shot Sidonis given the same end. An awful lot of people have been given second chances. Hell, my Shepard tried to give Saren a second chance.

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


Oh no! It looks like garrus took another shot to the face if you know what i mean.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


Oh no! It looks like garrus took another shot to the face if you know what i mean.


Or maybe Shepard did.  Hurrrrrrr

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siltsonata wrote...

But in ME2 he's matured and I think he's fully developed into his own person.  When the time comes for Garrus's loyalty mission, the player is given the option to decide how they want this Garrus to turn out (usually based on however you've guided him in ME1).   Bottom line:  If Garrus takes the shot, he came to that decision on his own. If he doesn't, he came to that decision on his own An encouraging remark or a cautionary sentence from Shepard may cause him to consider one option or the other, but whichever route you picked in your game is the route Garrus wishes to take.

I hope I made that clear enough, it's hard to describe. (And it's my opinion.  I can see how this could be interpreted differently.)


Can't emphasize this enough.

I also wouldn't be concerned about Renegade endings with LIs. Renegades aren't evil they're just more, um, direct!

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


Oh no! It looks like garrus took another shot to the face if you know what i mean.


Or maybe Shepard did.  Hurrrrrrr


...I love this thread and the people in it so much sometimes...

Just so you all know, I would affectionately krogan headbutt you all.

Modifié par Umanix, 23 mars 2010 - 04:46 .


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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


:o
LOL! It completely fits my FemShep, actually. :innocent:

I wish Garrus would take her up on that sparring match. :devil:

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


Ah, those wacky peeps over at Facepunch...

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272


Oh, that's terrrrrrribleB).  The awful part is that I had my hopes up for a second there, and I was screaming at my computer to "Load, damn you!" in the hopes that it might be fur realz.  Should've known, if there were something like that some beautiful rabid Garrus fan would've found it already.  :P

(Illusive Man, though: I lol'd. Yet so, so creepy.)

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Wow, they posted the extended romance scene on Facepunch.
http://www.facepunch...ad.php?t=912272



That was.......glorious.

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Umanix wrote...
...I love this thread and the people in it so much sometimes...


I hate this thread and everybody in it! Every night I hate it all over again!

Sorry, having an Afterlife VIP moment...