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[Soltana]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

So pretty.

There's something sweet....and almost kind.


I push Garrus renegade. Renegade to me just means "getting the job done at any cost." But that's just me.

Modifié par Soltana, 23 mars 2010 - 06:50 .

[Kim Shepard]

Too many pages have appeared since the last time I posted to read them all. xD But really, Anderson headbutts a turian? I've always made him take the "punch Udina" route, but now I want to see this. (He gets shot though? Shepard will be sad.)



My Shepards would all go the Renegade path with Garrus (and on most of the loyalty missions, actually). I play them each as individual characters with their own personal histories and opinions, and it just turned out that they all have no sympathy for most of those people. The main differences for them are which characters they get along with, whether they'll choose civilian lives over the mission, the option to spare or kill certain people like Shiala, and their overall attitude.

[enormousmoonboots]

ELE08 wrote...

Interesting.  Renegade is a path fraught with misunderstanding.  Maybe because different people have different definitions of what exactly it entails.  The desired outcome I think is always the same but the path there is different.  The paragon turns the bad guy over to the law.  The renegade shoots him in the face.  Paragon Garrus is Batman.  Renegade Garrus is Frank Castle.  Feel free to poke holes in this theory.

Oh yeah, what was my point?  I like renegade Garrus.  I don't think he's necessarily more self-absorbed or consumed by negativity--just hardened to the injustices of reality but otherwise well adjusted (disclaimer: my ME reality.)  And maybe renegade Garrus is a little damaged.  So is my Shepard, but I like to think it adds character.

To be fair, the game itself is pretty inconsistent on what Renegade is. Sometimes it's pragmatic, sometimes it's racist, sometimes it's reasonable, sometimes it's just totally psycho. What will the dialog wheel lie about today?

I'd argue that Samara is way more Frank Castle than Garrus, even Renegade Garrus. He's not crazy enough to be the Punisher. Not that Samara is as crazy as Frank either, but she's a little closer. They're both extremely uncompromising. I admit I'm not up on my Frank, though; I'm not sure whether he would choose to save hostages or kill the bad guys. His origin trauma seems like he would try to save/protect innocents, but Ennis's Punisher is grimdark as hell. Ah, the tragedy of multiple writers...

Man, maybe I should hunt down my posts on Garrus's morality and save them, given the frequency with which this topic comes up. Heh.

Short version: I Paragon Garrus because I think it's more important for him to learn about shades of gray and that people do bad things for reasons other than 'to be evil'.

(what time zone are all you people in? I'm in Mass, so it's 3 in the morning here--I just have a terrible sleep cycle)

[MarginalBeast]

My main Shepard is mostly paragon, so I paragon'd Garrus in ME1 and 2. She actually killed the Cerberus scientist during that one ME1 sidequest out of revenge (she's a sole survivor), but for various reasons came to regret that decision later and that heavily influenced her actions during Garrus' loyalty mission. She'd be more than happy to put a bullet in TIM's head, though. And she enjoyed killing those Batarian slavers (but she let Balak go in order to save the hostages).

/uninteresting personal Shepard anecdote

[siltsonata]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

(what time zone are all you people in? I'm in Mass, so it's 3 in the morning here--I just have a terrible sleep cycle)

Mountain time.  12:20 here, and I'm no closer to finishing this massive project that's due tomorrow.

[siltsonata]

 IT'S FINISHED.

And as a reward, my desktop decided to show me GARRUS. (I have it switching between the ME2 squadmates + Kal'Reegar (BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE ONE) every 5 minutes.  Every time I check and it's Garrus, Legion, or Mordin I feel like I've won the lottery or something. Little things in life, man. Little things.)


...I think I just wanted to make a 2:00 a.m. post.

[aznsoisauce]

siltsonata wrote...

 IT'S FINISHED.

And as a reward, my desktop decided to show me GARRUS. (I have it switching between the ME2 squadmates + Kal'Reegar (BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE ONE) every 5 minutes.  Every time I check and it's Garrus, Legion, or Mordin I feel like I've won the lottery or something. Little things in life, man. Little things.)


...I think I just wanted to make a 2:00 a.m. post.

Congrats!

I too have just finished a school project...a group project in fact. What kind of an online class thinks it's a good idea to do a group project... <_<

My Win7 theme is all high res Garrus screen shots...so I am always rewarded by my desktop.  When I turn on my computer, he says "What do you want me to do?" and when I turn it off he goes "I'll be here if you need me." A makeshift Garrus VI, I guess.

I had to change the deletion sound from "scoped and dropped!" to "remind me to never get on your bad side" as the previous one scared the crap outta me the other night...

[Cerrydd]

Holy crap, finally got myself to go to bed early yesterday, and now there are almost 15 pages I have to read.

Well, goodmorning, it's 10:30 AM here.

I have to say I'm happy this thread doesn't travel as fast as the Tali thread. Imagine getting up to get something to drink, and there are 6 new pages to read when you return.

[Soltana]

Cerrydd wrote...

I have to say I'm happy this thread doesn't travel as fast as the Tali thread. Imagine getting up to get something to drink, and there are 6 new pages to read when you return.

Not to hate on the Tali fans buuuuut you get up to get a drink and you get six pages of like...two word spam posts. At least ours usually contain some semblance of "Garrus! "

PS I'm Japan Standard time. It's 9 at night right now. AKA magic time when my demon spawn goes to bed!

So uh...yeah...Garrus!

[LOLandStuff]

Soltana wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

I have to say I'm happy this thread doesn't travel as fast as the Tali thread. Imagine getting up to get something to drink, and there are 6 new pages to read when you return.

Not to hate on the Tali fans buuuuut you get up to get a drink and you get six pages of like...two word spam posts. At least ours usually contain some semblance of "Garrus! "

PS I'm Japan Standard time. It's 9 at night right now. AKA magic time when my demon spawn goes to bed!

So uh...yeah...Garrus!

Don't forget the pyramid building.

[Cerrydd]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Unrelated, but one of my favorite lines in ME1 was Wrex listening to Lorek talking about all the officers drooling over Benezia. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A CLOTHED FEMALE IS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN A NAKED ONE." He sounded so outraged, it was awesome.

Yeah, I loved that too. Looks like Wrex took a peek into the Fornax Human Edition. Too bad Garrus didn't respond to that.

[Twilight_Princess]

How possible is it that this hypothetical "romance pack" will actually come to fruition? I would be so HAPPY ,a giving bioware lots of money kind of happy. Also it is a FACT the majority will love such a DLC. The complainers puzzle me though, why hate the idea of extended convos for game that's all about making conversation already? Love interests are present already, so if the objectors "hate" that kind of add on it makes me question why they bothered to get into mass effect at all. You can avoid all that if you wish, its not forced on you (well Jacob *cough) some people just enjoy the shooting part, I get that, different strokes for different folks. Its when the complainers say that a romance pack will "ruin" mass effect for them that I find their complaints stupid. There’s already Love in the game, you buy mass effect you buy that part of it too.



But I do understand the worries of those that would like the idea but are afraid it may be handled wrong. That's a valid concern, it needs to be written well, make sense and fit the characters. But I faith in the bioware writers to get it right, making this DLC means making the romance part the focus. I would kill to hear Garrus's thoughts about what happened between him and shep, hell if it even happened at all! Details man! Plus more convos with Gar is a bonus even if you aren't romancing him, where’s the bromance! He had so much to say in ME1 about himself, saren, you. So I was waltzing towards that gunnery room after every bloody mission just hoping for a funny chat with my BFF. I think I realized the conversations were going to be sparse so after "reach and flexibility" I think I replayed it 3 times, just to savour a rare conversation before he gave me the silent treatment again . We can't help but love you Garrus.

[Sialater]

Frankly, I really doubt they'd put out a dialogue only DLC.

[Twilight_Princess]

Sialater wrote...

Frankly, I really doubt they'd put out a dialogue only DLC.

...One can dream though...*sniff* ONE STILL CAN DREAM!

but yeah I'd expect LI specific missions DLC as a better possibility then just the extra dialouge alone. Still, they HAVE noticed that's what fans have been pining for. Perhaps it may just mean we get spoiled with lots of garrus chats in ME3 , never know.

[Sialater]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Frankly, I really doubt they'd put out a dialogue only DLC.

...One can dream though...*sniff* ONE STILL CAN DREAM!

but yeah I'd expect LI specific missions DLC as a better possibility then just the extra dialouge alone. Still, they HAVE noticed that's what fans have been pining for. Perhaps it may just mean we get spoiled with lots of garrus chats in ME3 , never know.

More dialogue is more likely in ME3 than a DLC, I think, considering they'd have to call the actors back into the studio for the DLC.  Although, if they're currently recording dialogue for ME3, that wouldn't be too hard.

[timedrake32]

Hello Garrus lovers... here a poll you guys should vote on.....
http://social.biowar...652/polls/3610/

[Gerse1]

MidnightSG wrote...

7:54 in turian roar/snarling

www.youtube.com/watch

Why has Garrus not roared yet?
I demand this in mass effect 3.
I don't care if he is roaring at me... I will stand there and swoon for days.
MmMmMmMmm
<3<3<3<3

This thread has really been picking up speed!  MidnightSG I knew had subconscious memories of a turian primal GRAWR somewhere.  Thank you for helping me figure it out.

I have only read Ascension.  My take on it is that it wasn't very good writing but worth it if you really love the MEverse and want to learn more lore.  Which is the only reason I finished it.  Both the characters and plot were lukewarm to me, except for the quarians =).   I want to eventually read Revelation too even though I don't expect it to be objectively good -- I just want more TOORIANZ .

Ray Joel Oh wrote...


I was always harrassing him in the middle of battle in ME1. 
"NOT NOW, SHEPARD."  Oh you!

hahahaha. Yeah I liked how in ME1 you could click on your squaddies whenever you wanted to see what they said, even in battle, when they usually implied that you were a raging idiot. I guess you can always shoot them to get a line in ME2.  Which makes me wonder....can you friendly fire your squaddies to death?  I've never tried .  I'm just not evil enough, lol.

SiltSonata wrote...

I've always gotten the feeling that Garrus firmly intends to do whatever
you end up choosing for him.

Disclaimer: Right here I'll stop
and say that I don't think Shepard is forcing him to think either way;
since it's easy to give that impression when talking about this.

I
feel like the options to encourage or dissuade Garrus from his revenge
are more of a way of choosing what kind of Garrus exists in your game,
the one you've guided and helped since ME1.  In ME1 he was young and
rash, and definitely guided by Shepard into a way of thinking.

YES.  I feel like you are choosing an iteration of Garrus, the same way you choose an iteration of the many Shepards via your Renegade/Paragon choices.  It's not Shepard who's swaying him; it's the player, from beyond the 4th wall.

[AngryP1xel]

Gerse1 wrote...
hahahaha. Yeah I liked how in ME1 you could click on your squaddies whenever you wanted to see what they said, even in battle, when they usually implied that you were a raging idiot. I guess you can always shoot them to get a line in ME2.  Which makes me wonder....can you friendly fire your squaddies to death?  I've never tried .  I'm just not evil enough, lol.

I remember at one point in ME2 I jumped over my cover and accidentally kicked Garrus in the head.  He started shaking his head like it really hurt.  I felt bad.

On another note, never listen to music while playing games.  I now keep imagining Garrus serenading his rifle with this song

[Gerse1]

p.s. eastern time here too, which means most of the discussion seems to happen when i'm already snug in bed =\\ and i always have to play catchup....like right now

[Flammie]

Greenwich Mean Time here. So when I made this post it's four o'clock. I actually dislike the way this forum times posts. I need to change it. I love how this thread accelerates fastest when everybody's active, which is when I'm inactive.

Well, I actually don't like some of the Paragon options with Garrus that there seems to be in ME1, it's pretty much chastising him, which I don't much like. My Shepard wants to let Garrus make his own decisions and thoughts, and be entitled to them, even if her own values are different. My Shepard would rather show him her feelings and let him think rather than interfere with him, which is why I'm also unsure about what to say to him during the loyalty mission. My Shepard's a Paragon, but she's not going to force herself on others.

As for Sidonis, I warned him, and let him tell the whole story, just so Garrus knows why Sidonis did these things. It was Garrus who decided to spare him, not Shepard forcing him to, and if he was lying, he could have easily shot one in Sidonis when he walked away, Shepard still standing there.



Actually, that reminds me, I remember when I first started ME2, absolutely no idea about any of the story and such, and when I was having my first conversation with TIM, I was thinking "why is the top option so rude to him? Is this game trying to mix me up? I'm choosing the bottom, that seems better,". Now I know slightly better.


Oh, bloody hell, I hate when you listen to a song for so long, and a long time later, when you play the song again, you can only associate it with that moment when you first started playing it for ages.



I'd love to turn my computer into what's effectively a Garrus VI, but I think I'd run the risk of questions being asked and quite an embarassment. I'm the youngest here.

Modifié par Flammie, 23 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Loerwyn]

I've used Garrus on a Renegade and a Paragon playthrough, and he's really fun IMHO either way.

[Nissun]

Wow, we reached the 200 page mark and I missed it! Well, I didn't open a champagne bottle when the Garrus romance was comfirmed, I'm not gonna open it now (what a lousy celebrator I am)

Anyway, if I remember correctly, a bunch of pages ago somebody asked for Turian name ideas. Whatever happened to that? Any conclussions? Any interesting ideas? I ask because I'm having trouble naming a couple of characters. I don't think I'm gonna write anything with them, but I still think they deserve a name (even if it's just for the picture filename anyway). I've tried alien name generators but every result sounds awful for a Turian

(bear in mind that the drawings are sketchy and extremely generic)

Character 1
(I thought the square markings could belong to the space station he was born in. I mean, if a turian is raised in an alien planet that holds no official turian marking, wouldn't it make sense for them to adapt official flags or, in the case of a space station, an insignia?)

Character 2
(Completely provisional sketch, plus he doesn't look old enough)

I also drew a couple of Asari, in case you're interested. Just as sketchy, I was waiting for the bus.

Modifié par Nissun, 23 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[janeym27]

aynxalot wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

YES.  I feel like you are choosing an iteration of Garrus, the same way you choose an iteration of the many Shepards via your Renegade/Paragon choices.  It's not Shepard who's swaying him; it's the player, from beyond the 4th wall.

Yarp. Like when turning him down after you've triggered the romance, it seems you're given basically the exact right thing to say based on what he's thinking. He's really into the idea of you two getting together, but is fairly concerned he may wind up alienating (hee!) you if things go wrong. He'd rather not hook up at all if there's a chance it will damage your friendship. It's Shepard's reassurance and confidence, or, alternately, concession to his worries, that ultimately makes up his mind.
*L* It's seriously a practical thing as far as games go, but i've realized just how often you hear, "Yeah, you're right." "I know you did the right thing." or "That was the only way," even when you know that's not the case, because you've played it before and made the alternate decision!  So, to me it's a little refreshing that Garrus will disagree with you sometimes. I wish it happened a little more often (with all characters, natch). It would make Renegade decisions harder, or even Paragon ones if say, your LI disagreed with it, if someone was calling you out on it.

Agreed. I'd love it if your squadmates actually called you on your BS, or things they didn't agree with. A couple of times they come close (Garrus advises you against picking up Legion, and everyone warns you off waking Grunt), but big choices like the fate of the collector base, how quickly you go after the crew, killing/not killing on loyalty missions, etc, should definatly get different reactions from your squadmates depending on what you do. It's very easy for Shepard to be BFF with the entire crew at present, but there should be relationships which effect other relationships, and squadmates react accordingly. For example, choosing to help Legion should result in Tali being colder towards you; giving TIM and Cerberus crap should have Miranada irritated.... being Paragon or Renegade would actually have consequences on your relationships with the squad. At the moment, for example, convos with Grunt tend to go better if you choose the Renegade options. More of this.

Also, unrelated note, I am using epoche's Garrus firefox skin. Thankee! 'Tis awesome!