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[Annora]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Well, saliva does contain proteins and enzymes, thus amino acids, thus... well, Mordin does warn you to not ingest.  I'm sure that goes for saliva as well as other fluids.  Giving Garrus a smooch could result in anaphylactic shock  (severe allergic reaction) for one or both characters.  (Frankly that should be possible just sleeping with him, but I guess the game devs decided to overlook that.)  So it would be potentially fatal as well as awkward.  Again, I think the forehead-leaning was a good workaround.  Ironically it's also a bird-like thing to do, if you ever watched a pair of pet birds.  They tend to snuggle with just their foreheads leaning together, which is completely adorable--and which Garrus's romance scene reminded me of.  I guess I got more "aww" out of it than some people because of that.

Some people would suffer anaphylactic shock from ingesting dextro-amino based things, like some people are allergic to shellfish. This was discussed at length in the old thread.

Anyway, I was going through my screenshots and found this one that was just begging for a caption. Made me laugh.

[bushes289]

Xaila wrote...

Curious now...does Garrus always tell you to smoke the council also? He told me to forget about them in my ME1 game. It seemed a bit at odds with his interests as a Turian (most hated you for it). Then again, as Garrus said, he thinks he's a pretty bad Turian.

Hmmm, in my ME1 game he told me to save the council and when I decided to let them die  he said "I hope you know what you're doing human" I almost reloaded my game after that one. I think he said that because I had Wrex with me and they need one party member telling me to save the council and one telling me to let them die.

Modifié par bushes289, 22 février 2010 - 01:18 .

[Punahedan]

The headbutt (It's so weird saying it that way...I keep thinking of how the Renegade click on Tuchanka lets you headbutt one of the krogans xD) was so sweet and adorable and definitely had me saying "D'aww...this was all so worth it". I hope it's something that can be done in public and that it can be done in ME3. Some cultures have a stigma against public signs of affection, and I hope turian culture isn't one of them. >.> I wanna start a romantic revolution in ME3 - Interspecies romance FTW!

Kissing Garrus should be fine, so long as it's not on the...mouth area. He has no lips and his face doesn't bend that way.

Heh, I keep thinking back to ME1, and the Terra Firma party. The guy is polite enough to Shepard, but then Garrus starts pointing out things against TF's argument, and the guy's just like, "No one asked you, shut up." But Garrus kept going anyway. Yay for hardheadedness!

ETA: In ME1, it always depended on who else you had with you. In ME2, I think it depends on the order in which you select the party to join you. Though I'm not sure, don't quote me on that.

Edit 2: This forum's spacing settings are so damn bizarre.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 22 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[Iokastos]

Anastassia wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Well, saliva does contain proteins and enzymes, thus amino acids, thus... well, Mordin does warn you to not ingest.  I'm sure that goes for saliva as well as other fluids.  Giving Garrus a smooch could result in anaphylactic shock  (severe allergic reaction) for one or both characters.  (Frankly that should be possible just sleeping with him, but I guess the game devs decided to overlook that.)  So it would be potentially fatal as well as awkward.  Again, I think the forehead-leaning was a good workaround.  Ironically it's also a bird-like thing to do, if you ever watched a pair of pet birds.  They tend to snuggle with just their foreheads leaning together, which is completely adorable--and which Garrus's romance scene reminded me of.  I guess I got more "aww" out of it than some people because of that.

Some people would suffer anaphylactic shock from ingesting dextro-amino based things, like some people are allergic to shellfish. This was discussed at length in the old thread.

Anyway, I was going through my screenshots and found this one that was just begging for a caption. Made me laugh.

Awesome screenshot :D:D:D:D 

Modifié par Santiri_azz, 22 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[MarginalBeast]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...
Heh, I keep thinking back to ME1, and the Terra Firma party. The guy is polite enough to Shepard, but then Garrus starts pointing out things against TF's argument, and the guy's just like, "No one asked you, shut up." But Garrus kept going anyway. Yay for hardheadedness!

Wut. I took him with me when I talked to the Terra Firma guy and he didn't say anything.  Maybe it was because I had Ashley with me and she took up all the extra dialogue.

[Gerse1]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

I had an "I trust you' conversation with Tali at the end, but it didn't sound romantic to me... Of course, most of the romance convos in ME2 didn't sound romantic, so I guess that's not something I ought to judge on. <_<

Garrus just keeps looping the "I can't believe we're going to do this" speech. He doesn't even go back to calibrating. Is anyone else vaguely reminded of Bao-Dur? Great voice, great attitude, useful to have around...not anywhere near enough lines, or even as many as the others.

MarginalBeast wrote...

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Yes. This. Thank you.

I second that about Papa Vakarian .

But anyway, I was the one who said they got Tali's romance dialogue as a femShep.  She didn't say anything about sex though, so I'm thinking maybe it *wasn't* a glitch, and that both genders get a comment about a fever?  Also I think it's pretty much a given that the dialogue is glitchy throughout the game.  Everyone seems to have Garrus stuck on different mid-romance dialogue loops, including me on different playthroughs.  As I've mentioned before, my first playthrough, Jacob's romance option never opened up (probably the most shocking of all!).  I've also had several occasions where I was permanently locked out of some dialogue choices under the "Investigate" menu since I picked the wrong one first (think it happened with Joker once, and the asari with the 2 dead daughters, she started crying and ran off on my first choice, others).

At least I can get on the forums and find out what I missed from others' stories, but it sure does make me frown to think that some Garrus dialogue possibly got lost!!  So do we know yet whether anyone has actually searched for missing lines, like they did (and found) with Tali?

[MarginalBeast]

Gerse1 wrote...

But anyway, I was the one who said they got Tali's romance dialogue as
a femShep.  She didn't say anything about sex though, so I'm thinking
maybe it *wasn't* a glitch, and that both genders get a comment about a
fever?

She didn't say anything about being sick in my game. I don't remember what the dialogue was, but it definitely had nothing to do with her health. Just the same old "yay we beat the collectors" stuff that everyone else says. When she talks about how she's running a fever but it was "totally worth it", she is most definitely referring to sex. I'm pretty sure that line is only meant for Shepards who romanced her.

[Brass_Buckles]

Gerse1 wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

I had an "I trust you' conversation with Tali at the end, but it didn't sound romantic to me... Of course, most of the romance convos in ME2 didn't sound romantic, so I guess that's not something I ought to judge on. <_<

Garrus just keeps looping the "I can't believe we're going to do this" speech. He doesn't even go back to calibrating. Is anyone else vaguely reminded of Bao-Dur? Great voice, great attitude, useful to have around...not anywhere near enough lines, or even as many as the others.

MarginalBeast wrote...

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Yes. This. Thank you.

I second that about Papa Vakarian .

But anyway, I was the one who said they got Tali's romance dialogue as a femShep.  She didn't say anything about sex though, so I'm thinking maybe it *wasn't* a glitch, and that both genders get a comment about a fever?  Also I think it's pretty much a given that the dialogue is glitchy throughout the game.  Everyone seems to have Garrus stuck on different mid-romance dialogue loops, including me on different playthroughs.  As I've mentioned before, my first playthrough, Jacob's romance option never opened up (probably the most shocking of all!).  I've also had several occasions where I was permanently locked out of some dialogue choices under the "Investigate" menu since I picked the wrong one first (think it happened with Joker once, and the asari with the 2 dead daughters, she started crying and ran off on my first choice, others).

At least I can get on the forums and find out what I missed from others' stories, but it sure does make me frown to think that some Garrus dialogue possibly got lost!!  So do we know yet whether anyone has actually searched for missing lines, like they did (and found) with Tali?

Hm.  Dad-Vakarian might show up; Garrus said in ME1 that he wouldn't like Shepard.  Or Garrus's ex-fling might show back up (without kids since y'all were so adamant against that) at about the same time your ME1 LI (if you romanced anyone) shows up for Shepard.  Then you could choose to discuss the matter with Garrus or you could just go handle the situation.  If you didn't outright tell Garrus that your Shepard chose him over the former LI, then Garrus would hook back up with his ex.  Oops? 

 As for Garrus dialogue being lost--maybe.  If there's a patch it might fix that.  Otherwise, if there's a mod tool maybe someone will find out.  Someone mentioned that you can have your Shepard snuggle with him post-game, but I never saw anything like that.  There's some way to trigger that?

[Gerse1]

MarginalBeast wrote...

I didn't see it as a friends with benefits situation at all, but maybe that's just me. How can you tell someone you just want to be friends if you already are "just friends"? I definitely want something better than a FWB situation with Garrus--and my Shepard does too, otherwise she wouldn't have ever even entertained the idea of offering sex to him. It seemed to me that Garrus finally came around to her line of thinking by the time the final romance scene happened. I hope BioWare doesn't disappoint. They better not go back to just being friends like nothing happened in ME3. If Jacob and Thane can fall in love with Shepard after knowing her for only a few weeks, then Garrus can damn well too. It would be pretty unfair if only the Garrus romancers had to wait until ME3 to get to something deeper.

Plus, I mean, Shepard can cuddle with him on her bed. That's a weird thing to do for two people who aren't in a relationship, even for FWB.

Pretty much all of this.  I got the impression it was more than FWB from the beginning, at least for Garrus, but that at first he was just trying so hard to play it cool and casual because a) Shepard's initial come-on  *is* pretty casual, and she uses the whole "to relieve stress" reason, sort of like he just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and he's basically trying to mirror her attitude and not ruin it,  it catches him off guard, and he probably doesn't know quite what to say or think at first, it's an interspecies relationship for him too, he's probably gotta work up to the idea just like her  c) well he DOES admit she makes him nervous (d'awwwwww).

But the point is I think it's possible it was never *solely* a FWB thing for him (or either of them, imho).  And at any rate, to me the final romance scene made that clear beyond a doubt (especially his reaction if you reject him).

[silentstephi]

In regards to the DEATH BY SMOOCHES...



Um... she drank something that should have killed her on Omega.

I'm pretty damn sure "allergies" are the LEAST of her problems. Garrus might have some issues, but I really doubt that her system is going to have a reaction.



Do I think Turians kiss? Nah, it just seems like it'd be awkward.



Doesn't mean my Shep wouldn't smooch the hell out of him though XD



Garrus: "What's with this human thing... why do you have to get so close to my face!"

Shep: ^.^

[Gerse1]

Juneya wrote...

I don't think Keener would be creeped out by it at all, actually... xD If he was actually told what the largest amount of people responded to the question of, "why do you find Garrus attractive?" I'd bet he'd be quite flattered.
Garrus, admittedly, is not a very attractive character appearance wise by human standards. The thing that got me, at least, was the incredibly sexy voice acting. xD To be able to develop such a fandom based purely on his voice acting and his character's personality is pretty damn impressive.

Yeah, I'd like to think that, at the very least, he has a good sense of humor about the whole thing.  And flattered but understanding enough not to get creeped out.  Besides, he's a professional, I don't think he would let being weirded out affect his performance doing romance dialogues.  I certainly hope not.  I mean it really is a great compliment, that his voice could get so many ladies (and some guys!) to swoon over a cat-raptor.  I really wanna know what Hale thinks too...in my mind the VAs all have a good giggle over the romance scenes.  I mean they know these characters back and front, and Hale at least knows every single possible thing Shepard could ever say, every plotline.  She's gotta be at least a little attached to Shepard at this point...

[Gerse1]

Juneya wrote...


Ermm... well, what I mean to say is that a majority of people would not look at a screenshot of him (this is without knowing his name, his personality, backstory, ect... and without hearing his voice) would not get the same "Hot damn Garrus is one fine piece of ass" (sprung from a conversation between me and my friend the other day...)

I personally found Garrus very strange looking the first time I saw him in ME1. But as I got along in the game I started noticing those little things (like the mandible drooping whenever you talk smack at him... so adorable xD) that made him attractive.

Post post post.  Yeah, the mandibles were a clever way for them to add some emotion to his alien face without having to "humanize" it.  The way they droop or perk up or what not.  Or when turians are scared/startled and they puff out for a second (like Nihlus).  Or even when Garrus is first lining up his shot at Sidonis, they start flapping really hard because his breath/pulse are picking up, it was cool.  Made me realize there are other times when they probably do that...and by other times, I mean teh sexxy times....

[Ms Cherissa]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

(Lots of stuff about potential Garrus Vakarian spawnlings)

We're probably safe in this regard, and storywise it just seems like too much wangsting even for a galactic soap opera (I love me some ME universe, but it IS Space Opera). Remember that the turian culture is based on the novel "Starship Troopers" and old Roman centurions (in fact, BioWare says 'turian' comes from the word centurion), so chances are that during the required military service, there is enforced birth control (assuming their females are in constant estrus or there's not some other complication that goes into fertilization and breeding). Even IRL (there was a big to-do about this recently) militaries are starting to say that women who serve are not supposed to breed during their service.

[MarginalBeast]

Gerse1 wrote...

But the point is I think it's possible it was never *solely* a FWB thing for him (or either of them, imho).  And at any rate, to me the final romance scene made that clear beyond a doubt (especially his reaction if you reject him).

Yeah, I really don't think Garrus knows WTF he wants. I think he only realizes that he likes Shepard as more than just a good friend at around the 3rd romance conversation with him, where he mentions that he wants a few moments just for them. It would explain why if you reject him at the beginning he's fine with it, if you reject him part-way he seems fine with it but he hangs his head for a few awkward seconds which makes me think he is more disappointed than he lets on, and if you reject him at the end then he is pretty clearly crushed. I just don't think it's possible for him to suddenly go from "I like Shepard as a friend" to "I like Shepard as more than a friend" in a matter of a few conversations, so I'm guessing he had some feelings buried inside from the very beginning that he wasn't even aware of.

As for Shepard, that depends on the individual playing her. Mine realized that she had feelings for Garrus sometime after he nearly died, and just didn't know how to approach him/was afraid of scaring him off so she just went straight for the sex route, hoping he would catch on eventually. I find the idea of them both hiding their feelings for each other until the very end hilarious. I never pictured my Shepard as being good at romance at ALL so this actually works out well! For other Shepards, perhaps they only wanted a FWB thing from the very beginning, if that's more in-character for that particular Shepard. The great thing about ME is that Shepard is, for the most part, your character, so their actions and even inner thoughts are shaped by you, the player. It also makes creating multiple Shepards a lot of fun.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 22 février 2010 - 02:14 .

[Ms Cherissa]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Arg then again they'd need to get Keener back to do those lines...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

I think actors like to eat and pay their mortgages, so he was probably pretty happy to get whatever work he could - and hey, ride off into the sunset on a badass ship like Normandy, with the girl? Even better.

[enormousmoonboots]

Gerse1 wrote...

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

I had an "I trust you' conversation with Tali at the end, but it didn't sound romantic to me... Of course, most of the romance convos in ME2 didn't sound romantic, so I guess that's not something I ought to judge on. <_<

Garrus just keeps looping the "I can't believe we're going to do this" speech. He doesn't even go back to calibrating. Is anyone else vaguely reminded of Bao-Dur? Great voice, great attitude, useful to have around...not anywhere near enough lines, or even as many as the others.

MarginalBeast wrote...

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Yes. This. Thank you.

I second that about Papa Vakarian .

But anyway, I was the one who said they got Tali's romance dialogue as a femShep.  She didn't say anything about sex though, so I'm thinking maybe it *wasn't* a glitch, and that both genders get a comment about a fever?  Also I think it's pretty much a given that the dialogue is glitchy throughout the game.  Everyone seems to have Garrus stuck on different mid-romance dialogue loops, including me on different playthroughs.  As I've mentioned before, my first playthrough, Jacob's romance option never opened up (probably the most shocking of all!).  I've also had several occasions where I was permanently locked out of some dialogue choices under the "Investigate" menu since I picked the wrong one first (think it happened with Joker once, and the asari with the 2 dead daughters, she started crying and ran off on my first choice, others).

At least I can get on the forums and find out what I missed from others' stories, but it sure does make me frown to think that some Garrus dialogue possibly got lost!!  So do we know yet whether anyone has actually searched for missing lines, like they did (and found) with Tali?

This is correct. I think you just left off getting her post-loyalty conversation, because she tells you that she's running a fever after getting her suit ruptured while battling on the Alarei (she calls the drive core bosh'tet, tells you more about quarian immune systems). After her romance and beating the game, you get a convo along the lines of "I've got a fever, my sinuses are filled with something I can't begin to describe, and it was totally worth it".

However, the beginnings of the Tali flirt lines are still in the game; these are the ones you get during her post-loyalty conversation where she tells you that you're the only person she'd want to link suits with and you can flirt back (Paragon 'me too, Tali'/Renegade 'ooh, are you blushing under that helmet?')...aaaaand then nothing else happens. BIOWAAAARRREEE!!

[MarginalBeast]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Or Garrus's ex-fling might show back up (without kids since y'all were so adamant against that) at about the same time your ME1 LI (if you romanced anyone) shows up for Shepard.  Then you could choose to discuss the matter with Garrus or you could just go handle the situation.  If you didn't outright tell Garrus that your Shepard chose him over the former LI, then Garrus would hook back up with his ex.  Oops? 

I don't think Garrus cares enough about that turian woman to go back to her, does he? She was pretty much just a one-night-stand, not his girlfriend. He may not even remember her name, or she his. I think BioWare should leave all past relationships out of this particular romance subplot. Come on writers, I know you can resist the urge if you just try hard enough.

As for snuggling with him post-game, you need to talk to him at least once after the suicide mission. Then in your cabin you have the option of inviting him up to...cuddle and stuff (there is no dialogue so honestly after awhile it looks a little creepy, no matter which love interest you have). I think the trigger for it is near your private terminal.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 22 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[Xaila]

Does Shepard even have allergies anymore anyway? I mean, she's damn near cyborg now. That would be cruel irony if being spaced didn't kill her, but kissing a Turian did.

[silentstephi]

I think the whole mention of the Scout he had his romp with was just to give Shep an insight to how Turians handle precombat... honestly... like, I really don't think he's going to have the scout to worry about.



If he's got any OTHER ex's we don't know about well, then there's that. I mean hell, the wife of one of his squad mates knows Garrus enough that she wants you to watch out for him. Maybe he's had some social dealings in the 2 yrs you've been dead. (Not the wife, but having her send something means he's had other sorts of social contact, to me at least.)

[silentstephi]

Xaila wrote...

Does Shepard even have allergies anymore anyway? I mean, she's damn near cyborg now. That would be cruel irony if being spaced didn't kill her, but kissing a Turian did.

Yea, like I said above... she survived the batarian poisoning her on Omega, that could have beena  subtle hint that's she's like... not going to die by smoochin' the turian XD

[Gerse1]

Anastassia wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
And mariosonic... Please tell me that you realize, despite that mod being possible, that kissing Garrus would canonly likely be fatal for one or both participants in said kiss?  I thought the forehead-leaning was a good workaround.  Frankly I doubt turians even kiss each other (look at those mouthparts... I don't see how it'd work!).

I highly doubt it would be fatal, just really awkward.

ACtually, if you look at the inside-turian-mouths pics from the first thread, it appears they only have teeth on the sides of their mouths.  So I don't think Shep's face would be ripped off or anything, he just doesn't really have any lips to kiss in the first place.  It would probably just feel weird.

[enormousmoonboots]

Ooh, could someone post Garrus's Terra Firma response lines? It does depend on your party makeup, and somehow I've never gotten his comments.



Brass_Buckles--apparently modding this game is really hard, it has to do with the way the files are packed, apparently. I used to mod KOTOR back in the day, but there's not a lot that can be done with Mass Effect until someone figures out how to poke around in the files better. But cuddling is in the game! After the Collector Base, talk to your LI, then go up to your room. Next to your private terminal there's an Intercom that lets you call your romance up. Then cuddle on the couch or bed. Hm, maybe this info should go in the OP. Someone's always asking about it.

[Brass_Buckles]

Xaila wrote...

Does Shepard even have allergies anymore anyway? I mean, she's damn near cyborg now. That would be cruel irony if being spaced didn't kill her, but kissing a Turian did.

Technically, being spaced did kill her, and with all those implants, I'd say she is a cyborg, not almost.  That doesn't mean she can't still have fatal allergies, although you're probably right in that she's more durable than she was before she died the first time.

And re: previous poster on modding the game:  Sooner or later, they'll probably release a mod tool that will make it easier to change things.  They did for Dragon Age.  I could be wrong.  After all they don't seem to have announced any such tool.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 22 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[Ms Cherissa]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Ms Cherissa wrote...You died; the relationship ended. ...unless we're suddenly talking about a whole OTHER fandom? 

Kaidan doesn't seem to think it's over.  Just look at the email he sends if you romanced him the first game.  He says that night meant everything to him and he implies that he wants to give it another try.  Tough luck, pal, my paragon-Shepard was upset by Kaidan enough that she went to Garrus.

Yeah, you know...  I dated a guy like that once. The process of getting, serving and maintaining the subsequent restraining order lasted longer than the actual relationship! (I joke, but only a little.)

[enormousmoonboots]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Xaila wrote...

Does Shepard even have allergies anymore anyway? I mean, she's damn near cyborg now. That would be cruel irony if being spaced didn't kill her, but kissing a Turian did.

Technically, being spaced did kill her, and with all those implants, I'd say she is a cyborg, not almost.  That doesn't mean she can't still have fatal allergies, although you're probably right in that she's more durable than she was before she died the first time.

And re: previous poster on modding the game:  Sooner or later, they'll probably release a mod tool that will make it easier to change things.  They did for Dragon Age.  I could be wrong.  After all they don't seem to have announced any such tool.

Well, there was never one released for ME1, but the Unreal Engine is easy to mod, and people have actually been able to poke into the dialog files, which never happened with ME1. There may not be an official tool released, but it's possible a modding community might grow for it.