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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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#5701
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kglaser wrote...

OK, I can imagine those 3 fingers getting put to *much* better use than playing a guitar :devil:

...but seriously. :whistle:
I have to be at work in like 6 hours but my depraved mind is preventing me from being in bed.



Nonsense, having a turian playing guitar would either look super awkward or super epic. I am pretty sure someone has thought of the idea and drew a picture somewhere....

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Collider wrote...

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I was always under the impression that he was never very good at making friends (or at least not good at keeping lasting friendships) or being sociable in general. Which is why I'm always puzzled when fanfiction writers portray him as a ladies man.

To be fair, Garrus did have that casual encounter with the female turian and Garrus did say he gets hit on all the time (if you're male and choose the paragon option when Garrus asks how he looks with his scars, Shepard says "Don't worry, you were always ugly Garrus, and then Garrus says that at least now Shepard has a chance getting women). Not saying whether he's a ladies man or not, but those are just some things I remember. I don't see him as a social butterfly either.

I always got the impression that quote was supposed to be kind of sarcastic, my friends and I are like that all the time. "You're eating yogurt?" "Yeah, I'm watching my girlish figure." Bros bull****ting each other, that sort of thing.

I figure he'd be not particularly social, but not a recluse either, like other people are saying. Maybe more friendly in the second game? Joker's getting the stick out comment...But then again, how much was he interacting with people outside of his squad? Probably on the Normandy, he loosened up, but nobody in Omega's undoubtedly robust information network knew who Archangel was, he can't have been showing his face to people.

silentstephi wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Three
finger turians. Imagine them trying to play a guitar xD.


/facepalm

Damn
it, now I'm wondering what kind of instruments/music turians would
create/play.  Would they sing?  They probably dance...

... GAH.

I still insist that turian voice flanges would be perfect
for the blues. That nice rumbly voice quality that you usually
need forty years of emphysema to achieve. Quarians have opera, why not
turian blues?

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Collider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...
I was always under the impression that he was never very good at making friends (or at least not good at keeping lasting friendships) or being sociable in general. Which is why I'm always puzzled when fanfiction writers portray him as a ladies man.

To be fair, Garrus did have that casual encounter with the female turian and Garrus did say he gets hit on all the time (if you're male and choose the paragon option when Garrus asks how he looks with his scars, Shepard says "Don't worry, you were always ugly Garrus, and then Garrus says that at least now Shepard has a chance getting women). Not saying whether he's a ladies man or not, but those are just some things I remember. I don't see him as a social butterfly either.

I always got the impression that quote was supposed to be kind of sarcastic, my friends and I are like that all the time. "You're eating yogurt?" "Yeah, I'm watching my girlish figure." Bros bull****ting each other, that sort of thing.

Yea I figured that as well, but I was noting it as female shepards don't seem to get that dialogue.

I figure he'd be not particularly social, but not a recluse either, like other people are saying.

I agree. I like how another put it - Garrus is more concerned about results than aimless friend making. He was genuinely distraught and angry over his squad being betrayed, but he didn't make the squad just for conversation, he did it to help cleanse Omega.

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Collider wrote...
Yea I figured that as well, but I was noting it as female shepards don't seem to get that dialogue.

They do get a roughly equivalent one, though. "Some women find men with scars attractive...mind you , most of those women are krogan." Still making a 'Garrus gets all the ladies' joke, it just has flirtier implications for a female Shepard.

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Seems like one of the few gender specific dialogues outside of romance.

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All this talk about his squad just reminded me.

He was obviously distraught over the death of his squad so I doubt they were nothing more than allies to him. He must have cared about them and considered them friends, or almost. He even knew a bit about their personal lives, if the e-mail from his team member's wife is any indication. But one of the mercs (I think) said that even Garrus' team didn't know who he was. Which is weird because you would think that, being someone who helped take down Saren, Garrus would have acquired a little bit of fame even reaching to the Terminus Systems. He, Shepard, and the rest of the ME1 squad must have appeared on several news vids. Even if he didn't, people would know his name. So wouldn't his team know him almost right away once he introduced himself? Or did he use a fake name? Or was that merc just wrong?

Even assuming that he used a fake name, or that his team on Omega really didn't know about his involvement with the Saren incident, wouldn't they be a little weirded out that he knew a decent amount about their personal lives but they knew nothing about his? Maybe they just didn't care because he was such a good leader. Or maybe BioWare just didn't really think about this.

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MarginalBeast wrote...

All this talk about his squad just reminded me.

He was obviously distraught over the death of his squad so I doubt they were nothing more than allies to him. He must have cared about them and considered them friends, or almost. He even knew a bit about their personal lives, if the e-mail from his team member's wife is any indication. But one of the mercs (I think) said that even Garrus' team didn't know who he was. Which is weird because you would think that, being someone who helped take down Saren, Garrus would have acquired a little bit of fame even reaching to the Terminus Systems. He, Shepard, and the rest of the ME1 squad must have appeared on several news vids. Even if he didn't, people would know his name. So wouldn't his team know him almost right away once he introduced himself? Or did he use a fake name? Or was that merc just wrong?

I don't think they literally meant that they hadn't heard of Garrus before (I'd imagine that they actually hadn't, but that's besides the point) Rather, they were not acquainted with Garrus more than him being the squad leader - Garrus was not very open with them I would imagine. There's knowing someone's name and then there's knowing them.

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If Garrus had used a fake name, Sidonis wouldn't know who Shepard was talking about.

Shepard: I'm a friend of Garrus.'
Sidonis: ...Who?

The squadmate's wife that writes to Shepard refers to him by name, too. It's likely that he only told them his first name. 

EDIT: DUR DUR, different reason for not dropping his last name! Vakarian would actually give the mercs something to go on. It was like Patriarch was saying: "get his family, get him to come at you stupid, then kill him." Garrus was sensible enough not to risk revealing too much. 

It doesn't make sense that none of them recognized his face, though. Unless he always wore his helmet. POSSIBLE!

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To get a little pseudo-psychological, it seems like Garrus is intelligent, charismatic, knows how society works- but is somehow apart from it all. Like the whole being a "bad turian"- he doesn't quite fit in, but he was skilled enough to fake it. And he's confident and independent enough that it doesn't really bother him, that he accepts it. Sure, he has his insecurities, but he's pretty good at coping with those, too. He's got his mask, and it works pretty well for him. Then Shepard shows up and kind of shakes up his perceptions in a big way. Suddenly he doesn't want to be held back by his own self-doubt or upbringing anymore. Okay.... /pseudopsych



Anyway, I think that's part of what makes Garrus so appealing. All the complexity, none of the drama/wangst.



To me it's even more impressive that he gathered his Omega crew without them knowing hardly anything about him. It's that latent magnetic personality under there, it is.

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some guy in the cheating thread wrote...
Why wouldnt you stay loyal to them? The
ME2 romances were shallow

wat


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Collider wrote...

some guy in the cheating thread wrote...
Why wouldnt you stay loyal to them? The
ME2 romances were shallow

wat

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I have to admit, that picture scares me. Look like a turian rapeface.

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What's a rapeface`?

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Collider wrote...

I agree. I like how another put it - Garrus is more concerned about results than aimless friend making. He was genuinely distraught and angry over his squad being betrayed, but he didn't make the squad just for conversation, he did it to help cleanse Omega.


Heh, I agree that he initially allowed those team members to join up with him to increase the productivity of his anti-merc operations on Omega. I don't think anyone was saying he organized the group for a different set of reasons. No, friendship isn't necessary to be able to command loyalty, but it sure as heck doesn't hurt to have it. I think what is interesting to note, though, is that when you meet up with him, he says he let his emotions get in the way of his better judgment.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Garrus not to become personal with any of these people? He says himself that some of them are repentant mercs--why trust them to help him out at all? Why reveal his base of operations to them?

On the ship, Garrus comments on how he inspired hope in these people and then says: "And now they're dead. Shows what I know." Sounds (to me) like he thought he was better off fighting by himself. Not necessarily because it's more productive to work alone, but in the event that something were to go wrong, the only one who would've paid for it would've been Garrus.

And later, on his loyalty mission with Harkin, Harkin says "The Terminus really changed you, huh Garrus?" To which Garrus responds "No, but Sidonis...opened my eyes."

How did Sidonis open his eyes, exactly? We only know that Sidonis betrayed Garrus. I read into that statement as Garrus being upset with himself for awarding his trust and potential friendship to Sidonis as quickly as he did (because he was only working on Omega so long before Shepard shows up). But again, that's just my personal spin on it.

It's my personal opinion that Garrus is pretty down the middle when it comes to being an introvert versus an extrovert. He doesn't thrive on other people being around him, he's perfectly capable of working by himself. I'm still not sure I would say it's difficult for him to make friends, though. After the whole incident with Sidonis? Yes, I think it would be harder for him to make friends since it has come around to bite him in the ass. Before Sidonis? I think he may have been a little more friendly. But in some ways, that's what makes his romance with Fem!Shep all the sweeter. Despite having doubts about his judgment when it comes to who he can trust, he knows he can always trust Shepard.

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I don't think it's difficult for him to make friends, either- in fact he's very personable. However, how close he lets those friends get is another thing. And it seems more for their benefit than his that he keeps them at a bit of a distance.

The Sidonis comment could relate to many things- the black/white/grey thing, his being reminded how far to trust people, wanting to believe the best in people and being proven wrong (which doubles for him having accepted repentant mercs).

Umanix makes some excellent points. Garrus is independent and aloof out of necessity- he may not be the best turian, but he knows better than to drag others down with him through his actions. He still believes highly in personal responsibility, as is his turian instinct.

Sidonis betrayal/Reunion with Shepard: after losing that bit of willingness to openly trust people, it must have been extremely nice to run into someone who never let him down. Corrected him, chastised him maybe, but was ultimately a true friend.

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Hulluliini wrote...

What's a rapeface`?

The face you make. You know, when you're about to rape someone.

That picture's actually a reference to this comic, which I don't think has its own name (though it's often conflated with 'son, i am disappoint' and 'fatlus' comics). /knowyourmeme

I ought to put together a Mass Effect variation. "You breaking the laws again?" "It's called being a SPECTRE, dad. They're not illegal. They're some of the greatest, most justice-oriented people in the galaxy, upholding peace and making the hard decisions so you can sleep in your bed at night. Short-sighted old people like you wouldn't understand." *dancing Shepard*

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enormousmoonboots wrote...
I still insist that turian voice
flanges would be perfect
for the blues. That nice rumbly
voice quality that you usually
need forty years of emphysema to
achieve. Quarians have opera, why not
turian blues?


Hahaha,
somebody get Tom Waits to play a turian blues singer, they don't even
have to change his voice!


enormousmoonboots wrote...
I ought to put together a Mass Effect variation. "You breaking the laws again?" "It's called being a SPECTRE, dad. They're not illegal. They're some of the greatest, most justice-oriented people in the galaxy, upholding peace and making the hard decisions so you can sleep in your bed at night. Short-sighted old people like you wouldn't understand." *dancing Shepard*


GENIUS

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Umanix has pretty much spelled out WHY I love the Garrus romance so much. Not that the other romances are bad, but there's quite a bit of difference between them.



Jacob's is about getting a uptight soldier to relax (and turn into a horrible b-movie porn star as well, apparently)



Thane's is about fixing a broken person coping with family issues (Carth Syndrome ahoooooy!)



Garrus is about trust, friendship, and loyalty between old comrades who've found something in each other that they didn't see before (besides huge fanfic/fanart potential and a 'YESSSSSSSSS' that's going to be heard for the next year or so beofre ME3)

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Picked up the appearance pack, in spite of my better judgement...


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It's worth it just for Garrus :D

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I actually still prefer the look of the loyalty armor; that dash of red in the collar is just so classy--and distinctive, as Silt showed us.



Still looks nice, at any rate. I wish you could have a conversation with him in it actually outside of the battery, though. The red light in there makes it look kind of obnoxious.



But hey, two bucks. I'll skip lunch tomorrow.

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Collider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

All this talk about his squad just reminded me.

He was obviously distraught over the death of his squad so I doubt they were nothing more than allies to him. He must have cared about them and considered them friends, or almost. He even knew a bit about their personal lives, if the e-mail from his team member's wife is any indication. But one of the mercs (I think) said that even Garrus' team didn't know who he was. Which is weird because you would think that, being someone who helped take down Saren, Garrus would have acquired a little bit of fame even reaching to the Terminus Systems. He, Shepard, and the rest of the ME1 squad must have appeared on several news vids. Even if he didn't, people would know his name. So wouldn't his team know him almost right away once he introduced himself? Or did he use a fake name? Or was that merc just wrong?

I don't think they literally meant that they hadn't heard of Garrus before (I'd imagine that they actually hadn't, but that's besides the point) Rather, they were not acquainted with Garrus more than him being the squad leader - Garrus was not very open with them I would imagine. There's knowing someone's name and then there's knowing them.


I agree. I always think Garrus with his Omega team is very similar to Shepard and both of her (his) teams: as their leader she cares deeply about them all, and is very interested in their lives/hopes/fears/etc because they have to follow her into hell and she needs to know they trust her, yet she is seldom open with any of them about her own issues.

Shep lives for the mission, and her own life takes a back seat. The mission is her life. I imagine for Garrus and his team it was the same. I mean, at least one of them had a wife and a life outside mercing, but Garrus seems like he lived for the fight and little else.

I'd love (if they continued the romance plots in any way) for Garrus to call Shep on this, actually. Having been through it himself, he must know how isolated Shep is (even though she puts on the fearless leader face at all times). I'd love a 'Shepard has to deal with past issues in more of a casual way' missions! Let's face it, the missions in ME1 that were grounded in her background didn't really seem to phase Shepard much, not when you compare it to the personal ones her team go on....


Also, as to the 'Garrus' fame' verses 'Archangel'  name thing, is it possible that his team knew who he was, but it wasn't widly known outside of there. I mean, since he was 'off the radar', he can't have been out and open about who he was generally. Maybe he let his team call him Garrus, and they did/didnot make the coonection individualy. I'm guessing Garrus isn't a unique Turien name, and they'd probably be a bit like 'why is he on Omega, when he could be a Spectre or C-Sec'....And if he is not being open about his past (and I'm guessing he wasn't) then how is anyone to know.  I imagine a lot of the glory after Saren went to Shepard anyway, and if the council was dead, would people be so comfortable about being known for their part in their death?

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I'm going to wait until the Kasumi DLC comes out. I don't have a credit card, but my boyfriend has one ("I'm going to support your Garruslove with my credit card?"), so I'll combine the new outfit with Kasumi. Might as well buy the pink N7 shirt, to change my appearance.

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You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"


Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where? :blink: