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[Brian619]

To the people who has downloaded the Garrus sound folder,did anyone noticed a sound file named "ahem"? i could have swear i never heard Garrus make that voice in the game.

[Flammie]

The "ahem" sound effect is if he gets taken by the Collector Swarm during the suicide mission. Obviously without the atmosphere and setting it sounds a lot more arousing.

I just remembered that I had labelled every single sound effect in there. *sigh*

Shepard is and can be anything or everything. Not all of them care about their past, about the fact they just died, and such. I'd like to think my Shepard puts on a brave face, but not everybody else would. Not sure anything that cements an insecurity in Shepard's mind would be well taken by everybody.

I just love everything about Garrus and the relationship. I guess I'm with the "neither social butterfly nor recluse" group. I don't feel like explaining it, because I'll always feel like I missed something out, say something wrong, or even feel slightly incomplete after writing it.

I love Garrus and turians are to die for. Etc. etc. etc.

Modifié par Flammie, 24 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[bushes289]

Flammie wrote...

The "ahem" sound effect is if he gets taken by the Collector Swarm during the suicide mission. Obviously without the atmosphere and setting it sounds a lot more arousing.

I just remembered that I had labelled every single sound effect in there. *sigh*

Shepard is and can be anything or everything. Not all of them care about their past, about the fact they just died, and such. I'd like to think my Shepard puts on a brave face, but not everybody else would. Not sure anything that cements an insecurity in Shepard's mind would be well taken by everybody.

I just love everything about Garrus and the relationship. I guess I'm with the "neither social butterfly nor recluse" group. I don't feel like explaining it, because I'll always feel like I missed something out, say something wrong, or even feel slightly incomplete after writing it.

I love Garrus and turians are to die for. Etc. etc. etc.

Wrong, Shepard can not be anything or everything you want her to be, that's DA:O and KOTOR. Shepard really isn't as flexible as people seem to think, the devs have stated that Shepard is not really whoever we make him her be twice. Once was when they were explaining the lack of gay romances, I have dismissed that claim.

The second time however was when they described the difference between paragon and renegade. They said that the only difference is that paragon Shepard will attempt to complete the mission with as few casualties as possible and renegade gets the job done no matter what. What I found really important is that they said that Shepard puts the mission above all else. This means that no matter how much you want your Shepard to have romance or friendship with Garrus  be the most imporatant aspect of her life, it's OOC. No LI will ever be more important than the mission. It's why you don't get the option of dropping everything and leaving cerberus to join Kaiden/Ashley, because it would be OOC for him her to consider personal relationships more important than the mission. I don't know where the quote is but it's somewhere

[enormousmoonboots]

Cerrydd wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where?

On the Citadel, I forget exactly which ad pole it is...Here. This vid's with a male Shepard, but with a female the person at the very beginning would be a woman.

I thiiiink that asari is supposed to be Liara.

[Soltana]

bushes289 wrote...

Flammie wrote...

The "ahem" sound effect is if he gets taken by the Collector Swarm during the suicide mission. Obviously without the atmosphere and setting it sounds a lot more arousing.

I just remembered that I had labelled every single sound effect in there. *sigh*

Shepard is and can be anything or everything. Not all of them care about their past, about the fact they just died, and such. I'd like to think my Shepard puts on a brave face, but not everybody else would. Not sure anything that cements an insecurity in Shepard's mind would be well taken by everybody.

I just love everything about Garrus and the relationship. I guess I'm with the "neither social butterfly nor recluse" group. I don't feel like explaining it, because I'll always feel like I missed something out, say something wrong, or even feel slightly incomplete after writing it.

I love Garrus and turians are to die for. Etc. etc. etc.

Wrong, Shepard can not be anything or everything you want her to be, that's DA:O and KOTOR. Shepard really isn't as flexible as people seem to think, the devs have stated that Shepard is not really whoever we make him her be twice. Once was when they were explaining the lack of gay romances, I have dismissed that claim.

The second time however was when they described the difference between paragon and renegade. They said that the only difference is that paragon Shepard will attempt to complete the mission with as few casualties as possible and renegade gets the job done no matter what. What I found really important is that they said that Shepard puts the mission above all else. This means that no matter how much you want your Shepard to have romance or friendship with Garrus  be the most imporatant aspect of her life, it's OOC. No LI will ever be more important than the mission. It's why you don't get the option of dropping everything and leaving cerberus to join Kaiden/Ashley, because it would be OOC for him her to consider personal relationships more important than the mission. I don't know where the quote is but it's somewhere

I thiiink what Flammie is going for is that Shepard's internal feelings and personal motivations can be anything. Commander Shepard is who is set in stone but what about the person inside the armor, so to speak. The part about the whole gay romance thing is bull to the shyt and was just Bioware's excuse IMO.

But I wish I could take your post and tattoo it on the inside of a lot of fanfic writers' eyelids.

[Collider]

Umanix wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree. I like how another put it - Garrus is more concerned about results than aimless friend making. He was genuinely distraught and angry over his squad being betrayed, but he didn't make the squad just for conversation, he did it to help cleanse Omega.

Heh, I agree that he initially allowed those team members to join up with him to increase the productivity of his anti-merc operations on Omega. I don't think anyone was saying he organized the group for a different set of reasons. No, friendship isn't necessary to be able to command loyalty, but it sure as heck doesn't hurt to have it. I think what is interesting to note, though, is that when you meet up with him, he says he let his emotions get in the way of his better judgment.

It's possible that he grew "too" attached to his squad mates and held himself up in his base killing mercenaries for revenge.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Garrus not to become personal with any of these people? He says himself that some of them are repentant mercs--why trust them to help him out at all? Why reveal his base of operations to them?

Not really sure if that made him personal with them. Still could have more business than open friendship. That is not to say that Garrus didn't consider them as friends or something close to that sort - but I'm not sure he was really open with the, being an open book isn't really his thing I'd imagine - or at least the "didn't really know Garrus" thing suggests as much. I bet he respected his squad a great deal - just as he respected Shepard in ME1 for going above and beyond against Saren.

On the ship, Garrus comments on how he inspired hope in these people and then says: "And now they're dead. Shows what I know." Sounds (to me) like he thought he was better off fighting by himself. Not necessarily because it's more productive to work alone, but in the event that something were to go wrong, the only one who would've paid for it would've been Garrus.

Maybe it has to do with the idealism of having and maintaining a 12 man squad of mercenaries against other mercenaries. That's a mighty task, something straight out of a fairy tale - the undefeatable heroes who thwart evil. Idealistic, but is it realistic? For such a seedy place like Omega, it is not so surprising that something like Sidonis happened.

How did Sidonis open his eyes, exactly? We only know that Sidonis betrayed Garrus. I read into that statement as Garrus being upset with himself for awarding his trust and potential friendship to Sidonis as quickly as he did (because he was only working on Omega so long before Shepard shows up).

I guess so. It's not really clearly what he means. But trust seems to have to do with it, as you said.

It's my personal opinion that Garrus is pretty down the middle when it comes to being an introvert versus an extrovert.

Really, classifying him as introvert or extrovert is kind of a simplification. Neither is true, Garrus is Garrus.

I think he may have been a little more friendly. But in some ways, that's what makes his romance with Fem!Shep all the sweeter. Despite having doubts about his judgment when it comes to who he can trust, he knows he can always trust Shepard.

Doesn't he say that Shepard is his only friend?

[Cerrydd]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where?

On the Citadel, I forget exactly which ad pole it is...Here. This vid's with a male Shepard, but with a female the person at the very beginning would be a woman.

I thiiiink that asari is supposed to be Liara.

Oh, damn, totally missed that one.

I support movie night on the Normandy. The Citadel trailer looked promising. eheh.

[bushes289]

@Soltana



I agree that their excuse for a lack of gay romances is a load of bull, it's why I said that I dismissed that claim in my post.



Obviously Shepard isn't fully set in stone, it simply bugs me when people write Shepard as well, a stereotypical ingenue. A lot of the Femsheps I've read could never ever be taken seriously as a leader. I realize that I come off as harsh but it just ticks me off so much, I have a lot of repressed anger and I think it shows in some my posts.



When I was thriteen I was a major troll, heck I used to threaten to hunt people down and kill them with knives if they hated a character that I loved. I had my reasons, I didn't have a very nice time when I was thirteen. I'd rather not go into detail but in short I got out of highschool and my maturity level shot up about 5-6 years.

[Neria Rose]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where?

On the Citadel, I forget exactly which ad pole it is...Here. This vid's with a male Shepard, but with a female the person at the very beginning would be a woman.

I thiiiink that asari is supposed to be Liara.

I always assumed she's the Asari on the Destiny Ascension who says those lines. There is one Asari somewhere (don't remember where) who says "Evacuate the Council", sounds like the same VA to be honest. The second line was said by an Asari within the Destiny Ascension, possibly the same VA and/or character, when the Alliance pops up and defends them in the attack.

[Flammie]

Sorry, I guess my wording was a little rushed/incorrect there, indeed. I was just replying to the post mentioning that Garrus should call out Shepard on any insecurites she had, and I made some sweeping comments in order to get the point across. Indeed, Shepard's not as mouldable as it seems, but I was mainly referring to how she felt on the inside, which doesn't come out at all in any of the games, just how she feels on the outside about the job.



Apologies for that, I guess it was quite a bold/wrong comment to make.



I'm still in, well, I guess you'd call it high school, so my immaturity level should be fairly apparent.

[enormousmoonboots]

@ bushes

Definite agreement on Shepard. Of course, everyone has a different vision of 'their' Shepard, but there's a narrow range of qualities Shep has, no matter what you do. A lot of Sheps in fanfiction are just a little too witty, or emotional, or lighthearted; it's the little things that throw off characterization the most. Paragon Shep was really bland in the first game, but in the second she's definitely confident, no-nonsense, relatively patient, but inclined to violence in the case of injustice (threatening to break the elcor shopkeep's legs, shoving the racist volus and grabbing the douche C-Sec officer by the collar). Also grows a sense of humor after dying. (I yak on a bit more about Shepard here, if anyone's interested; don't want to copy-paste all of it)

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 24 mars 2010 - 03:58 .

[ELE08]

bushes289 wrote...

Flammie wrote...

Shepard is and can be anything or everything. Not all of them care about their past, about the fact they just died, and such. I'd like to think my Shepard puts on a brave face, but not everybody else would. Not sure anything that cements an insecurity in Shepard's mind would be well taken by everybody.

Wrong, Shepard can not be anything or everything you want her to be, that's DA:O and KOTOR. Shepard really isn't as flexible as people seem to think, the devs have stated that Shepard is not really whoever we make him her be twice. Once was when they were explaining the lack of gay romances, I have dismissed that claim.

The second time however was when they described the difference between paragon and renegade. They said that the only difference is that paragon Shepard will attempt to complete the mission with as few casualties as possible and renegade gets the job done no matter what. What I found really important is that they said that Shepard puts the mission above all else. This means that no matter how much you want your Shepard to have romance or friendship with Garrus  be the most imporatant aspect of her life, it's OOC. No LI will ever be more important than the mission. It's why you don't get the option of dropping everything and leaving cerberus to join Kaiden/Ashley, because it would be OOC for him her to consider personal relationships more important than the mission. I don't know where the quote is but it's somewhere

Part of this was from an interview with Ray Muzyka comparing DA narrative with ME narrative:

"In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a
pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a
wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a
pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and
that's intentional...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with
certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she is. So
we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical choices
and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more focused
around defining one character, it's not as wide open."

So yeah, Shepard will always be Shepard.  If certain players internalized this mantra there might be a little less rage on these boards.  'How come I couldn't do this blargh!'

Sidenote: good to see my little sound folder making the rounds.  ELE08, spreading joy and perviness throughout the interwebs.  And also making roommates question your sanity, apparently...haha.

[enormousmoonboots]

Neria Rose wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where?

On the Citadel, I forget exactly which ad pole it is...Here. This vid's with a male Shepard, but with a female the person at the very beginning would be a woman.

I thiiiink that asari is supposed to be Liara.

I always assumed she's the Asari on the Destiny Ascension who says those lines. There is one Asari somewhere (don't remember where) who says "Evacuate the Council", sounds like the same VA to be honest. The second line was said by an Asari within the Destiny Ascension, possibly the same VA and/or character, when the Alliance pops up and defends them in the attack.

The reason I think it's supposed to be Liara is that the Destiny Ascension pilot shouldn't be talking to Shepard ("Commander, we've got reinforcements! It's the Alliance!") during the final confrontation with Saren, whereas if you assume Liara is with Shepard in the final battle (since movies aren't bound by video game rules, I bet they took the whole squad) the line makes perfect sense coming from her; of course, movies have a tendency to be revisionist and inaccurate, which is probably half the joke with "Citadel".

[bushes289]

@Flammie



I get it now sorry for misunderstanding. By the way I didn't mean to imply that highschoolers are immature, I know you weren't offended but I want to clarify. I wasn't exactly Miss popular, I'm a bit of a weirdo and people treated me as such, when I got out I didn't have to deal with people making nasty comments at me anymore so I grew up.

[Sialater]

Re: The Citadel Movie, isn't Risa Uversen the same director that made that horror film over that blue planet in ME1?

[janeym27]

Does the citadel movie only trigger if you save the council. or is it there anyway?

[Collider]

janeym27 wrote...

Does the citadel movie only trigger if you save the council. or is it there anyway?

It also triggers if you concentrated on sovereign, and probably if you "killed" the council too.

[silentstephi]

Umanix wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree. I like how another
put it - Garrus is more concerned about results than aimless friend
making. He was genuinely distraught and angry over his squad being
betrayed, but he didn't make the squad just for conversation, he did it
to help cleanse Omega.

Heh, I agree that he
initially allowed those team members to join up with him to increase the
productivity of his anti-merc operations on Omega. I don't think anyone
was saying he organized the group for a different set of reasons. No,
friendship isn't necessary to be able to command loyalty, but it sure as
heck doesn't hurt to have it. I think what is interesting to note,
though, is that when you meet up with him, he says he let his emotions
get in the way of his better judgment.

It's possible
that he grew "too" attached to his squad mates and held himself up in
his base killing mercenaries for revenge.

Attempting to tie into the conversation about the "static but not so static" Shepard, you'd think that because he did make it personal is when he deviated from Shepard's example?   He put his men before the mission.  That's where he went wrong.  I know Shepard says something similar at the end of the loyalty mission (if you use Renegade convo option.)

[Neria Rose]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You know, thinking about Garrus's fame...anyone else see that movie ad on the Citadel (extra comedy: the turian who plays Saren is the same one who invites you to the Dark Star for 'companionship')? I bet there's a Normandy movie night where everyone watches it and sasses the ME1 veterans about it. "He doesn't even look like me!"

Movie ad? Did I miss something? Where?

On the Citadel, I forget exactly which ad pole it is...Here. This vid's with a male Shepard, but with a female the person at the very beginning would be a woman.

I thiiiink that asari is supposed to be Liara.

I always assumed she's the Asari on the Destiny Ascension who says those lines. There is one Asari somewhere (don't remember where) who says "Evacuate the Council", sounds like the same VA to be honest. The second line was said by an Asari within the Destiny Ascension, possibly the same VA and/or character, when the Alliance pops up and defends them in the attack.

The reason I think it's supposed to be Liara is that the Destiny Ascension pilot shouldn't be talking to Shepard ("Commander, we've got reinforcements! It's the Alliance!") during the final confrontation with Saren, whereas if you assume Liara is with Shepard in the final battle (since movies aren't bound by video game rules, I bet they took the whole squad) the line makes perfect sense coming from her; of course, movies have a tendency to be revisionist and inaccurate, which is probably half the joke with "Citadel".

True, but she could be talking to the commander of their vessel, not to Shepard. I'm pretty sure she didn't say "commander" in ME1, though, so my assumption on that point is the same as yours, regarding the lines in a movie being inaccurate.

[Sialater]

Actually, I think there was a commander on the Destiny Ascension the asari com person addresses.

[Sialater]

www.youtube.com/watch

At about 5:10 is the line.

That's exactly what the asari says.

[ELE08]

silentstephi wrote...

Umanix wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree. I like how another
put it - Garrus is more concerned about results than aimless friend
making. He was genuinely distraught and angry over his squad being
betrayed, but he didn't make the squad just for conversation, he did it
to help cleanse Omega.

Heh, I agree that he
initially allowed those team members to join up with him to increase the
productivity of his anti-merc operations on Omega. I don't think anyone
was saying he organized the group for a different set of reasons. No,
friendship isn't necessary to be able to command loyalty, but it sure as
heck doesn't hurt to have it. I think what is interesting to note,
though, is that when you meet up with him, he says he let his emotions
get in the way of his better judgment.

It's possible
that he grew "too" attached to his squad mates and held himself up in
his base killing mercenaries for revenge.

Attempting to tie into the conversation about the "static but not so static" Shepard, you'd think that because he did make it personal is when he deviated from Shepard's example?   He put his men before the mission.  That's where he went wrong.  I know Shepard says something similar at the end of the loyalty mission (if you use Renegade convo option.)

Yeah, that's the convo option I use, it's "This is what happens when you let it get personal.  I need to know this is over."  From my renegade Shep's POV, it's not a problem that he got too attached to his crew, it's that he let that get in the way of his mission.  That's where he deviated from her example.

[Neria Rose]

Sialater wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

At about 5:10 is the line.

That's exactly what the asari says.

Goes to show how good my memory is with that scene >.<. Need to play ME1 again soonish. Thanks for clearing that up .

[Sialater]

Neria Rose wrote...

Sialater wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

At about 5:10 is the line.

That's exactly what the asari says.

Goes to show how good my memory is with that scene >.<. Need to play ME1 again soonish. Thanks for clearing that up .

I think the fact that I knew what the line was means I've played it TOOO FRAKKING MUCH.  LOL :innocent: