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[Von Verrikan]

You know what being a Garrus fan does to you? It turns you into a damn Turian, that's what it does.

http://i977.photobuc...errikan1b-1.jpg

For anyone curious. Yes, that is a shirtless Turian image. Yes, that's my Turian self. And since people might ask me about it.. The nut I'm holding? You remember that bartender on Illum who warns you not to eat nuts from the red bowls? Exactlllyyyy.

I dunno, I thought it was pretty clever.

[siltsonata]

Tootles FTW wrote...
I've played through twice and never received this!  What does she say (the skank!)?

I really think you have to complete her blackmailing quest in the Wards. I missed this quest every time until just recently, and now I suddenly have the email in my terminal:

Dr. Chloe Michel wrote...

From: Dr. Chloe Michel

Dear Commander Shepard,

I was relieved to hear that you were alive.  I was devastated to hear of the destruction of the Normandy, and those people who didn't make it off in time.  After you went missing and were presumed dead, I feared I'd never see you or Garrus ever again.  You and he did so much to help clean up the Wards when you were hunting for Saren.  The galaxy needs more people like you, and I'm glad you're still here to protect those of us who've grown to depend on the both of you.

Is Garrus with you again, by any chance?  After being so happy to hear of your survival, I wondered if perhaps he might have ended up with you.  I left a few messages on his public accounts, but you know how he is about checking his mail, and I don't think the comm address I had for him works anymore, because he hasn't returned any calls.  Always so busy on his grand crusades, his great passions, that he focuses on them to the exclusion of anything or anyone else.

Anyway, if you know where he might be, I would really love to hear from him.  Or both of you could come by the next time you're near the Citadel.

Thanks!

-Chloe Michel

And yeah, I don't think she'd be so "Garrus? Garrus? How is Garrus? GARRUS AND I SHOULD GET A DRINK" if she wasn't a little smitten.  I love how she remembers to put in a "Oh, and you too Commander" thing. Makes me laugh.


@ Von Verrikan: THAT  IS AWESOME. (Purple Tats! You know who loves purple? SILT LOVES PURPLE)

Modifié par siltsonata, 22 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[Ms Cherissa]

Von Verrikan wrote...

You know what being a Garrus fan does to you? It turns you into a damn Turian, that's what it does.

http://i977.photobuc...errikan1b-1.jpg

For anyone curious. Yes, that is a shirtless Turian image. Yes, that's my Turian self. And since people might ask me about it.. The nut I'm holding? You remember that bartender on Illum who warns you not to eat nuts from the red bowls? Exactlllyyyy.

I dunno, I thought it was pretty clever.

It's an awesome art piece. Now if only I can get a frontal facial image for colony tattoos! (What'd you THINK I was gonna say?)

[dantesfire10]

siltsonata wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...
I've played through twice and never received this!  What does she say (the skank!)?

I really think you have to complete her blackmailing quest in the Wards. I missed this quest every time until just recently, and now I suddenly have the email in my terminal:

Dr. Chloe Michel wrote...

From: Dr. Chloe Michel

Dear Commander Shepard,

I was relieved to hear that you were alive.  I was devastated to hear of the destruction of the Normandy, and those people who didn't make it off in time.  After you went missing and were presumed dead, I feared I'd never see you or Garrus ever again.  You and he did so much to help clean up the Wards when you were hunting for Saren.  The galaxy needs more people like you, and I'm glad you're still here to protect those of us who've grown to depend on the both of you.

Is Garrus with you again, by any chance?  After being so happy to hear of your survival, I wondered if perhaps he might have ended up with you.  I left a few messages on his public accounts, but you know how he is about checking his mail, and I don't think the comm address I had for him works anymore, because he hasn't returned any calls.  Always so busy on his grand crusades, his great passions, that he focuses on them to the exclusion of anything or anyone else.

Anyway, if you know where he might be, I would really love to hear from him.  Or both of you could come by the next time you're near the Citadel.

Thanks!

-Chloe Michel

And yeah, I don't think she'd be so "Garrus? Garrus? How is Garrus? GARRUS AND I SHOULD GET A DRINK" if she wasn't a little smitten.  I love how she remembers to put in a "Oh, and you too Commander" thing. Makes me laugh.


@ Von Verrikan: THAT  IS AWESOME. (Purple Tats! You know who loves purple? SILT LOVES PURPLE)

Heres to hoping for a Garrus/Chloe reunion on the Wards in ME3

[Brass_Buckles]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

From an attractiveness standpoint, no I don't.  I think they're rather ugly, and I doubt that if they were real I'd be interested.  Hate to say it, but physical appearance matters more to me in real life than it does in a video game.  From an artistic standpoint, they're sort of... I dunno.  Pretty probably isn't the right word.  Statuesque?  They have interesting lines anyway.  I guess the best way to say it, due to my current inability to think of a descriptor, is that they look awesome, artistically.

siltsonata wrote...

I do see where you're coming from with the overly-sappy feeling though:  part of the reason Thane's romance doesn't compete with Garrus's for me  is the ANGST-ANGST-ANGST that poor Thane has to go through.  Dying, yes, that sucks, Oh, your wife's dead, that su-OH, your kid hates you, THAT  SUCKS.  Man, galaxy: give the guy a  break.  All those issues aren't appealing to me in a romantic  way.  Shepard has enough baggage of her own to deal with.

This.  Yeah, Garrus has angst, but he doesn't use it to make your Shepard fall in love with him out of pity.  Maybe that's because he wouldn't be interested at all if Shepard didn't outright ask him to sleep with her (he makes it clear both in his prior dialogues and the final romance scene that he doesn't really find humans attractive--he's apparently willing to be with Shepard on her merit as Shepard alone), maybe it's because they're friends already and know about one another's burdens.  I dunno.  Part of the reason I liked the Shepard-Garrus romance is because she is being there for him, but, at the same time, it's not about trying to "fix" him, but rather just supporting him.  Knowing Garrus he'll just go make another mistake between ME2 and ME3, but that's okay because Shepard will be there to help him pick up the pieces (even if it's just as a friend).  I think it's as much about him being there for her as she is for him--so in that respect, maybe they really are "blowing off steam."  Having someone support you like that could make life a whole lot less stressful.

With Thane, I feel more like my character is supposed to "fix" him, because he's "broken" or needs to change, because he needs to get over the concern about dying, and his dead wife, and his guilt, and his problem child son.  Ladies, that's not a good foundation for a relationship--I'll excuse it in light that this is just a game, but in real life, setting out to try to fix a guy is a recipe for failure.  You're not going to fix him--he's still going to mourn his wife and have problems with his son.  He's still dying, and I doubt even Mordin could save him.  I really feel like he's trying to demand that Shepard fall in love with him out of sympathy.  I may have a character who could go for that, particularly if she's not willing to get too attached, since he will be dying soon.  But, that character is not my main Shepard--whose dialogue about wanting someone she knew and could trust echoed my thoughts before I even knew she'd speak those words--especially after Kaidan's outburst.  I'd rather just the game allowed me to be friendly and supportive of Thane, rather than trying to sympathy-romance my Shepard.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 22 février 2010 - 06:51 .

[aznsoisauce]

Von Verrikan wrote...

You know what being a Garrus fan does to you? It turns you into a damn Turian, that's what it does.

http://i977.photobuc...errikan1b-1.jpg

For anyone curious. Yes, that is a shirtless Turian image. Yes, that's my Turian self. And since people might ask me about it.. The nut I'm holding? You remember that bartender on Illum who warns you not to eat nuts from the red bowls? Exactlllyyyy.

I dunno, I thought it was pretty clever.

I didn't notice the nut until you mentioned it...and somehow it's hilarious! Oh, come on...shirtless Turian eating bar nuts!

Anyway...FREAKIN SWEET.

[siltsonata]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
 Part of the reason I liked the Shepard-Garrus romance is because she is being there for him, but, at the same time, it's not about trying to "fix" him, but rather just supporting him.  Knowing Garrus he'll just go make another mistake between ME2 and ME3, but that's okay because Shepard will be there to help him pick up the pieces (even if it's just as a friend).

Yep yep yep.  I think this is why so many people were drawn to the Garrus and Tali romances in this game, because it wasn't about helping your LI through their problems. (Miranda has issues.  Thane has issues.  Jack...don't get me started on Jack.  Jacob's solid, but trashy. *Sigh* he had so much potential...)  Shepard's always playing goddamn therapist. Don't get me wrong, I love that part, but it's nice to have something like a romance play out without asking "and how you does that make you feel?" , because romances can be complicated enough without those problems to deal with. (See: Shep/Garrus. Interspecies couple.  Chafing. DO NOT INGEST.)

I really feel like he's trying to demand that Shepard fall in love with him out of sympathy.

I respectfully and strongly disagree, but we've talked enough about Thane. Rather, we clearly agree that Garrus is damn superior anyway, so I'll focus on that. 

Modifié par siltsonata, 22 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[silentstephi]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Anyone else receive the email from Dr. Michel? Seemed she had a crush on Garrus. Makes you wonder if he'd have considered dating her, if he knew--or maybe he did, since he never returned her calls/emails.

I've played through twice and never received this!  What does she say (the skank!)?

Wait, wut?  I haven't gotten the email from Dr. Michels, PLEASE TELLS MEH, what does it say?!

[Brass_Buckles]

silentstephi wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Anyone else receive the email from Dr. Michel? Seemed she had a crush on Garrus. Makes you wonder if he'd have considered dating her, if he knew--or maybe he did, since he never returned her calls/emails.

I've played through twice and never received this!  What does she say (the skank!)?

Wait, wut?  I haven't gotten the email from Dr. Michels, PLEASE TELLS MEH, what does it say?!

Scroll up; someone on this page transcripted it.  Just check the quote boxes.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I'm commander shepard, and this is my favorite thread in the citadel.

[RiouHotaru]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

From an attractiveness standpoint, no I don't.  I think they're rather ugly, and I doubt that if they were real I'd be interested.  Hate to say it, but physical appearance matters more to me in real life than it does in a video game.  From an artistic standpoint, they're sort of... I dunno.  Pretty probably isn't the right word.  Statuesque?  They have interesting lines anyway.  I guess the best way to say it, due to my current inability to think of a descriptor, is that they look awesome, artistically.

siltsonata wrote...

I do see where you're coming from with the overly-sappy feeling though:  part of the reason Thane's romance doesn't compete with Garrus's for me  is the ANGST-ANGST-ANGST that poor Thane has to go through.  Dying, yes, that sucks, Oh, your wife's dead, that su-OH, your kid hates you, THAT  SUCKS.  Man, galaxy: give the guy a  break.  All those issues aren't appealing to me in a romantic  way.  Shepard has enough baggage of her own to deal with.

This.  Yeah, Garrus has angst, but he doesn't use it to make your Shepard fall in love with him out of pity.  Maybe that's because he wouldn't be interested at all if Shepard didn't outright ask him to sleep with her (he makes it clear both in his prior dialogues and the final romance scene that he doesn't really find humans attractive--he's apparently willing to be with Shepard on her merit as Shepard alone), maybe it's because they're friends already and know about one another's burdens.  I dunno.  Part of the reason I liked the Shepard-Garrus romance is because she is being there for him, but, at the same time, it's not about trying to "fix" him, but rather just supporting him.  Knowing Garrus he'll just go make another mistake between ME2 and ME3, but that's okay because Shepard will be there to help him pick up the pieces (even if it's just as a friend).  I think it's as much about him being there for her as she is for him--so in that respect, maybe they really are "blowing off steam."  Having someone support you like that could make life a whole lot less stressful.

With Thane, I feel more like my character is supposed to "fix" him, because he's "broken" or needs to change, because he needs to get over the concern about dying, and his dead wife, and his guilt, and his problem child son.  Ladies, that's not a good foundation for a relationship--I'll excuse it in light that this is just a game, but in real life, setting out to try to fix a guy is a recipe for failure.  You're not going to fix him--he's still going to mourn his wife and have problems with his son.  He's still dying, and I doubt even Mordin could save him.  I really feel like he's trying to demand that Shepard fall in love with him out of sympathy.  I may have a character who could go for that, particularly if she's not willing to get too attached, since he will be dying soon.  But, that character is not my main Shepard--whose dialogue about wanting someone she knew and could trust echoed my thoughts before I even knew she'd speak those words--especially after Kaidan's outburst.  I'd rather just the game allowed me to be friendly and supportive of Thane, rather than trying to sympathy-romance my Shepard.

The only point I'll argue is that him saying "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans" does NOT mean he doesn't find them attractive.  Rather, that he's never taken the time to think about whether he finds them attractive in the first place.  I mean, he was always so busy running around being the cowboy cop that he never took the time to notice the pretty ladies.  I mean, he's never checked out girls of another species outside of turians anyway.  He says as such.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 22 février 2010 - 07:49 .

[Brass_Buckles]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

From an attractiveness standpoint, no I don't.  I think they're rather ugly, and I doubt that if they were real I'd be interested.  Hate to say it, but physical appearance matters more to me in real life than it does in a video game.  From an artistic standpoint, they're sort of... I dunno.  Pretty probably isn't the right word.  Statuesque?  They have interesting lines anyway.  I guess the best way to say it, due to my current inability to think of a descriptor, is that they look awesome, artistically.

siltsonata wrote...

I do see where you're coming from with the overly-sappy feeling though:  part of the reason Thane's romance doesn't compete with Garrus's for me  is the ANGST-ANGST-ANGST that poor Thane has to go through.  Dying, yes, that sucks, Oh, your wife's dead, that su-OH, your kid hates you, THAT  SUCKS.  Man, galaxy: give the guy a  break.  All those issues aren't appealing to me in a romantic  way.  Shepard has enough baggage of her own to deal with.

This.  Yeah, Garrus has angst, but he doesn't use it to make your Shepard fall in love with him out of pity.  Maybe that's because he wouldn't be interested at all if Shepard didn't outright ask him to sleep with her (he makes it clear both in his prior dialogues and the final romance scene that he doesn't really find humans attractive--he's apparently willing to be with Shepard on her merit as Shepard alone), maybe it's because they're friends already and know about one another's burdens.  I dunno.  Part of the reason I liked the Shepard-Garrus romance is because she is being there for him, but, at the same time, it's not about trying to "fix" him, but rather just supporting him.  Knowing Garrus he'll just go make another mistake between ME2 and ME3, but that's okay because Shepard will be there to help him pick up the pieces (even if it's just as a friend).  I think it's as much about him being there for her as she is for him--so in that respect, maybe they really are "blowing off steam."  Having someone support you like that could make life a whole lot less stressful.

With Thane, I feel more like my character is supposed to "fix" him, because he's "broken" or needs to change, because he needs to get over the concern about dying, and his dead wife, and his guilt, and his problem child son.  Ladies, that's not a good foundation for a relationship--I'll excuse it in light that this is just a game, but in real life, setting out to try to fix a guy is a recipe for failure.  You're not going to fix him--he's still going to mourn his wife and have problems with his son.  He's still dying, and I doubt even Mordin could save him.  I really feel like he's trying to demand that Shepard fall in love with him out of sympathy.  I may have a character who could go for that, particularly if she's not willing to get too attached, since he will be dying soon.  But, that character is not my main Shepard--whose dialogue about wanting someone she knew and could trust echoed my thoughts before I even knew she'd speak those words--especially after Kaidan's outburst.  I'd rather just the game allowed me to be friendly and supportive of Thane, rather than trying to sympathy-romance my Shepard.

The only point I'll argue is that him saying "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans" does NOT mean he doesn't find them attractive.  Rather, that he's never taken the time to think about whether he finds them attractive in the first place.  I mean, he was always so busy running around being the cowboy cop that he never took the time to notice the pretty ladies.  I mean, he's never checked out girls of another species outside of turians anyway.  He says as such.

Except that his "compliments" in his final scene also seem strained/forced, to me.  Part of that can be attributed to not knowing what to say, but surely he can think of a better way to compliment hair than that it looks "good"--if he actually means it.  I doubt he'd get away with what he said if Shepard were a turian!  I'm assuming that what we hear of Garrus is through a translator--if he knows some Earth languages/English and has switched to it there, then I could understand the poor choice of words.  No matter how awkward he's been in either game, I've never before seen him choose his wording that poorly.  And why would you think he's attracted to other species if he's never been drawn to consider looking at them?  People tend to notice when they think someone is attractive.  I think, given the dialogue, that in the Shepard-Garrus romance, it's not about physical attraction at all.  It's because of who they are--and to me, that's a lot nicer than believing that they think each other is hot.

[siltsonata]

 Yes, the romance-scene dialogue leads me to believe that Garrus doesn't find Shepard super physically attractive...yet.

I really believe that, like a lot of the ladies/gentlemen on this thread, you can grow to find someone physically attractive, and I think this will happen for Garrus.  If he spends enough time loving Shepard, his brain will translate that to some of her physical features as well. (Waist.  I think he's already on his way to seriously digging her waist. The way he said "Verrrrrrry suppoorrrtive" makes me laugh, like he was considering it for the first time ever.) He's probably never going to find her beautiful in the way that he'd find his own species beautiful and vice versa for Shepard, but he can still find her features attractive in a different way that links directly to how he feels about her and I think that's more meaningful.

And like I mentioned with the waist, you could go so far as to argue that Garrus is already on his way to finding her attractive now.  Clearly she somehow got him bothered at hot at some point: "Yeah, 'cause I'm in a great place to optimize firing algorithms right now".  How much of that was due to physical attraction is probably up to individual interpretation.

[MarginalBeast]

He may not find her "sexy" in the same way that he'd find a turian woman sexy, but he probably at least finds humans to be pleasing to the eye in some way, similar to how a lot of fans don't think Garrus is hot but rather his species has a nice design. If Garrus were completely repulsed/turned-off by humans, then I have a hard time believing he would agree to get physical with Shepard no matter how much he likes her as a person.



Also, it could be that he just has no idea what to say. I'll admit I do find turians a bit attractive in the physical sense, but I still wouldn't know how to compliment one.

[aznsoisauce]

Shepard: Yoooouuurrr...Mandibles. Are...Yeah. Sorry, Garrus. I got nothin.

[siltsonata]

MarginalBeast wrote...

He may not find her "sexy" in the same way that he'd find a turian woman sexy, but he probably at least finds humans to be pleasing to the eye in some way, similar to how a lot of fans don't think Garrus is hot but rather his species has a nice design. If Garrus were completely repulsed/turned-off by humans, then I have a hard time believing he would agree to get physical with Shepard no matter how much he likes her as a person.

Also, it could be that he just has no idea what to say. I'll admit I do find turians a bit attractive in the physical sense, but I still wouldn't know how to compliment one.

"And you, Garrus...your...erm...mandibles are looking very...responsive?  And I like your...well, your teeth are nice and sharp. Very pointy."

EDIT:  Get out of my head, aznsoisauce. Your mind-reading powers are great and terrifying.

Modifié par siltsonata, 22 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[Nightfire78]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

Well, speaking for myself... I'm pretty much as vanilla as it gets, fetish-free and all that, I also actually kind of dislike most anime stuff, but I do find Turians physically attractive, so I don't think it's necessarily dependent on "this kind of history", as you put it. I think it's just part of the wonderous diversity of our world that people like different things and find different things attractive (heck, if we all had the same view on what is and is not attractive, 99% of us would lead very lonely lives ).

I also have to adress one thing that keeps coming up (and I keep not getting around to commenting on it). Unless the line I get is somehow different, Garrus says he doesn't have a "human fetish", that doesn't actually say anything about whether or not finds Shep. (or even the occassional other human) attractive as a fetish is a "fixation", an "object of unreasonably excessive attention" to quote the dictionary. While I know I can be accused of splitting hairs on this point, I just felt the need to point out that not having a "human fetish" does not automatically translate into finding humans unattractive.

Edit to add something about the compliments: a friend of mine went out with a guy from a completely different cultural background. He complimented her ankles. She was pretty baffled, but it turns out that that was the only thing he could think of that he was sure was "safe" and not offensive or pervy. Since Garrus' next line is "I hope none of that was offensive in human culture" I think it's a pretty safe bet he was trying to figure out the safest way to compliment her without turning her off. Besides, my first bf got so nervous and tongue-tied when we first went out that his compliments made Garrus' look ultra-smooth LOL, so I'm not really convinced that being tongue-tied when you're first with somebody or making somewhat goofy compliments when you're unsure of the cultural propriety means lack of attraction.
I will, however, agree that I think it's more about who the person is than about how hot or not hot they think the other person is.

Modifié par Nightfire78, 22 février 2010 - 09:05 .

[siltsonata]

Nightfire78 wrote...
I also have to adress one thing that keeps coming up (and I keep not getting around to commenting on it). Unless the line I get is somehow different, Garrus says he doesn't have a "human fetish", that doesn't actually say anything about whether or not finds Shep. (or even the occassional other human) attractive as a fetish is a "fixation", an "object of unreasonably excessive attention" to quote the dictionary. While I know I can be accused of splitting hairs on this point, I just felt the need to point out that not having a "human fetish" does not automatically translate into finding humans unattractive.

100% true.

But I think the reason so many people (myself included) translate the line as meaning "Do not want bang HUMAN." is just the way it's delivered in the context of the sentence, and Garrus himself.  He's snarky in this game.  I felt like the fetish remark was something of a hyperbole judging by the way he said it, and that he continued to say "but this isn't about that", like the word "that" means sexual attraction in general. 

Again, this is totally interpretation and I have no evidence other than the impression that I got from listening to it myself, which I just wanted to explain to give perspective.

(Also, the above "do not want" comment was a hyperbole on my part as well (See what I did thar?), don't want anyone thinking that I believe Garrus is actively repelled by humans either.  He says he's never considered cross-species intercourse, which I take to mean that he's never thought of human women in that way and thus he feels pretty neutral about 'em: not ugly, but not attractive either.  I honestly think he's never even thought about it.)

[Hulluliini]

I got the idea that Garrus never considered humans attractive in the sense that he obviously thinks it would be impossible or very unpleasant to have intercourse. He says he's going to do research to find out how they could do it... so imagine you were approached by like, a worm, you wouldn't have considered it sexy because you can't think of a way to have sex with it the traditional way. Ok very poor analogy but anyway But this was also the part I didn't like about the romance - Garrus AND shep both seem to be interested in the sex part, intercourse, as if that's all there is to a romance..

[Nightfire78]

siltsonata wrote...

Nightfire78 wrote...
I also have to adress one thing that keeps coming up (and I keep not getting around to commenting on it). Unless the line I get is somehow different, Garrus says he doesn't have a "human fetish", that doesn't actually say anything about whether or not finds Shep. (or even the occassional other human) attractive as a fetish is a "fixation", an "object of unreasonably excessive attention" to quote the dictionary. While I know I can be accused of splitting hairs on this point, I just felt the need to point out that not having a "human fetish" does not automatically translate into finding humans unattractive.

100% true.

But I think the reason so many people (myself included) translate the line as meaning "Do not want bang HUMAN." is just the way it's delivered in the context of the sentence, and Garrus himself.  He's snarky in this game.  I felt like the fetish remark was something of a hyperbole judging by the way he said it, and that he continued to say "but this isn't about that", like the word "that" means sexual attraction in general. 

Again, this is totally interpretation and I have no evidence other than the impression that I got from listening to it myself, which I just wanted to explain to give perspective.

(Also, the above "do not want" comment was a hyperbole on my part as well (See what I did thar?), don't want anyone thinking that I believe Garrus is actively repelled by humans either.  He says he's never considered cross-species intercourse, which I take to mean that he's never thought of human women in that way and thus he feels pretty neutral about 'em: not ugly, but not attractive either.  I honestly think he's never even thought about it.)

I can go with that. I think humans were more or less asexual to him until Shep. brought up other possibilities. If he were truly repelled by humans, no matter how much he may like Shep., he's not gonna go that route and vice versa. I just got the feeling with the "yeah I'm in a great place for *whatever he was gonna do* right now" type comments that he starts noticing things he does like once Shep. gets him on that line of thinking, as it were.

I have to say, though, I really like the fact that the character/interaction etc. allows for so many different interpretations. In my book that's the best thing you can get in a story to allow for a true RP feeling! I still hold a grudge about not getting a closure type line, but I can't help feeling a moment of love for Bioware

[aznsoisauce]

siltsonata wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

He may not find her "sexy" in the same way that he'd find a turian woman sexy, but he probably at least finds humans to be pleasing to the eye in some way, similar to how a lot of fans don't think Garrus is hot but rather his species has a nice design. If Garrus were completely repulsed/turned-off by humans, then I have a hard time believing he would agree to get physical with Shepard no matter how much he likes her as a person.

Also, it could be that he just has no idea what to say. I'll admit I do find turians a bit attractive in the physical sense, but I still wouldn't know how to compliment one.

"And you, Garrus...your...erm...mandibles are looking very...responsive?  And I like your...well, your teeth are nice and sharp. Very pointy."

EDIT:  Get out of my head, aznsoisauce. Your mind-reading powers are great and terrifying.

Hahahaha! Well, you actually succeeded with something to say! As much as I adore Turian mandibles, I can't think of a way to compliment them. I was going to go with "pointy" but then I realized I could just use that word to compliment any part of a Turian (fringe, teeth, claws, etc.). Would it be too punny for Shepard to say "Looking sharp today, Garrus."?

Nightfire78 wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

Well, speaking for myself... I'm pretty much as vanilla as it gets, fetish-free and all that, I also actually kind of dislike most anime stuff, but I do find Turians physically attractive, so I don't think it's necessarily dependent on "this kind of history", as you put it. I think it's just part of the wonderous diversity of our world that people like different things and find different things attractive (heck, if we all had the same view on what is and is not attractive, 99% of us would lead very lonely lives ).

Good to know 

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think part of why the 'human fetish' line keeps getting brought up has to do with the words before the part people keep focusing on:



"I'm not going to pretend I have a fetish for humans."



Usually when people say 'I'm not going to pretend' it means that nothing could be further from the truth. It gives the impression that he's really not attracted to humans at all, even if that's not really the case.



In my opinion though, clearly he doesn't dislike humans physically since, hey, no one was forcing him to go up to her quarters. No one was forcing him to try so hard (in a hilariously awkward but endearing manner) to seduce her. Why go through the effort if the idea didn't appeal to him at all?



I think his complements to Shepard were what others suggested, just a lack of good knowledge on human norms. What was he supposed to say? He couldn't really apply adjectives meant for turian head fringe to her hair, and even if he liked how her hair looked, what if whatever he liked about it just sounded weird by human standards? Was he supposed to say it looked very... thick? Thin? Stiff, bendy, dry, oily? 'Good' was a relatively safe thing to say. ;D

[Nightfire78]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I think part of why the 'human fetish' line keeps getting brought up has to do with the words before the part people keep focusing on:

"I'm not going to pretend I have a fetish for humans."

Usually when people say 'I'm not going to pretend' it means that nothing could be further from the truth. It gives the impression that he's really not attracted to humans at all, even if that's not really the case.

In my opinion though, clearly he doesn't dislike humans physically since, hey, no one was forcing him to go up to her quarters. No one was forcing him to try so hard (in a hilariously awkward but endearing manner) to seduce her. Why go through the effort if the idea didn't appeal to him at all?

I think his complements to Shepard were what others suggested, just a lack of good knowledge on human norms. What was he supposed to say? He couldn't really apply adjectives meant for turian head fringe to her hair, and even if he liked how her hair looked, what if whatever he liked about it just sounded weird by human standards? Was he supposed to say it looked very... thick? Thin? Stiff, bendy, dry, oily? 'Good' was a relatively safe thing to say. ;D

LOL, I can see it now...

Garrus: Your hair looks very oily today.
Shep: What? I just washed it!
Garrus: Er, I meant it looks... bendy... and... thin.
Shep: What? Are you saying I'm going bald!!?? *runs to the mirror*

... perhaps "good" was the right way to go indeed

[ThatDancingTurian]

Nightfire78 wrote...

LOL, I can see it now...

Garrus: Your hair looks very oily today.
Shep: What? I just washed it!
Garrus: Er, I meant it looks... bendy... and... thin.
Shep: What? Are you saying I'm going bald!!?? *runs to the mirror*

... perhaps "good" was the right way to go indeed

::snicker:: You can see why he got worried about offending when he chose to go with a specific descriptive for her waist. xD

[RiouHotaru]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Just wanted to pop in and let you guys know I made a poll regarding Turians. It's a very simple straight forward on (either yes or no) addressing the physical attractiveness of Turians. I want to get opinions from this thread in particular.

Do you find Turians physically attractive?

I have stated it a few times before: I think Turians in general are very sexy.
It wasn't until I played Mass Effect that I realized I am probably a xenophile. In retrospect, though, there was plenty of evidence prior to Mass Effect and Turians. I am an anime and manga fan, after all (yeah yeah, asian stereotype) and have developed an addiction to all things moe and harbor some abnormal fetishes. But if I didn't have this kind of history, would I still think Turians were attractive?

From an attractiveness standpoint, no I don't.  I think they're rather ugly, and I doubt that if they were real I'd be interested.  Hate to say it, but physical appearance matters more to me in real life than it does in a video game.  From an artistic standpoint, they're sort of... I dunno.  Pretty probably isn't the right word.  Statuesque?  They have interesting lines anyway.  I guess the best way to say it, due to my current inability to think of a descriptor, is that they look awesome, artistically.

siltsonata wrote...

I do see where you're coming from with the overly-sappy feeling though:  part of the reason Thane's romance doesn't compete with Garrus's for me  is the ANGST-ANGST-ANGST that poor Thane has to go through.  Dying, yes, that sucks, Oh, your wife's dead, that su-OH, your kid hates you, THAT  SUCKS.  Man, galaxy: give the guy a  break.  All those issues aren't appealing to me in a romantic  way.  Shepard has enough baggage of her own to deal with.

This.  Yeah, Garrus has angst, but he doesn't use it to make your Shepard fall in love with him out of pity.  Maybe that's because he wouldn't be interested at all if Shepard didn't outright ask him to sleep with her (he makes it clear both in his prior dialogues and the final romance scene that he doesn't really find humans attractive--he's apparently willing to be with Shepard on her merit as Shepard alone), maybe it's because they're friends already and know about one another's burdens.  I dunno.  Part of the reason I liked the Shepard-Garrus romance is because she is being there for him, but, at the same time, it's not about trying to "fix" him, but rather just supporting him.  Knowing Garrus he'll just go make another mistake between ME2 and ME3, but that's okay because Shepard will be there to help him pick up the pieces (even if it's just as a friend).  I think it's as much about him being there for her as she is for him--so in that respect, maybe they really are "blowing off steam."  Having someone support you like that could make life a whole lot less stressful.

With Thane, I feel more like my character is supposed to "fix" him, because he's "broken" or needs to change, because he needs to get over the concern about dying, and his dead wife, and his guilt, and his problem child son.  Ladies, that's not a good foundation for a relationship--I'll excuse it in light that this is just a game, but in real life, setting out to try to fix a guy is a recipe for failure.  You're not going to fix him--he's still going to mourn his wife and have problems with his son.  He's still dying, and I doubt even Mordin could save him.  I really feel like he's trying to demand that Shepard fall in love with him out of sympathy.  I may have a character who could go for that, particularly if she's not willing to get too attached, since he will be dying soon.  But, that character is not my main Shepard--whose dialogue about wanting someone she knew and could trust echoed my thoughts before I even knew she'd speak those words--especially after Kaidan's outburst.  I'd rather just the game allowed me to be friendly and supportive of Thane, rather than trying to sympathy-romance my Shepard.

The only point I'll argue is that him saying "I won't pretend I have a fetish for humans" does NOT mean he doesn't find them attractive.  Rather, that he's never taken the time to think about whether he finds them attractive in the first place.  I mean, he was always so busy running around being the cowboy cop that he never took the time to notice the pretty ladies.  I mean, he's never checked out girls of another species outside of turians anyway.  He says as such.

Except that his "compliments" in his final scene also seem strained/forced, to me.  Part of that can be attributed to not knowing what to say, but surely he can think of a better way to compliment hair than that it looks "good"--if he actually means it.  I doubt he'd get away with what he said if Shepard were a turian!  I'm assuming that what we hear of Garrus is through a translator--if he knows some Earth languages/English and has switched to it there, then I could understand the poor choice of words.  No matter how awkward he's been in either game, I've never before seen him choose his wording that poorly.  And why would you think he's attracted to other species if he's never been drawn to consider looking at them?  People tend to notice when they think someone is attractive.  I think, given the dialogue, that in the Shepard-Garrus romance, it's not about physical attraction at all.  It's because of who they are--and to me, that's a lot nicer than believing that they think each other is hot.

His compliments aren't forced...he just doesn't know what features on a human woman you give compliments about.   "I hope that's not offensive in human culture.  Craaaap, I knew I should've watched the vids.  Throw me a line here, Shepard!"

*wistful sigh*  Oh Garrus...wait what?  Oh.  What I mean is, is that there's a difference between not noticing attractiveness and someone thinking you're ugly .  In the previous incarnation of this thread I wrote a lengthy piece detailing the various points of the Garrus/Shepard romance, and noted that he was generalizing.  He likely doesn't find humans ugly or hot, and he wouldn't pretend he finds them hot when he hasn't formed an opinion yet.  I'm fairly certain Shepard is the exception to the rule~   But you're right, it is about the emotional attachment primarily, but I still like to dream that he thinks Shepard is just ****g amazing now XD

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 22 février 2010 - 10:48 .