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[Minardii]

Hm, doesn't look like he's chewing on it to me, probably just a clipping/angle issue. I also like how they have those red lights reflecting in their eyes every so often, despite it being an accident. Some of the comments are made so much better by that hint of red showing up in his normally blueish eyes.

[Flammie]

...Um, it was meant to be a little joke... I was aware that it was just clipping issues, so I just made a little fun of it.

Actually, yeah, I noticed his eyes were red in the final scene of his romance, which threw me off a little bit, actually.


Hmm... I didn't think the transition was sudden for me. Garrus just ended up giving up, and let Sidonis go, so I felt it was suitable that straight afterwards he started to compose his thoughts, and realised that Sidonis wasn't pure evil.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 08:50 .

[MarginalBeast]

Garrus' armor tends to cover the lower half of his face a lot because of how high it goes and how much it sticks out. ...Which makes me realize that if Shepard ever DID get to hug him, there would probably be serious clipping issues.

[Pannamaslo]

Garrus is a master in reducing cognitive disonance and rationalisations:



Kill Sidonis - he was evil traitor and deserved to die, it makes me feel better.



Let Sidonis go - I saw something good about him so I let him go, it makes me feel better.

[Minardii]

Sorry Flam, I didn't mean anything by it! And rofl at the romance part.
As for the transition, Normally it's fine, but with the video that was posted ("There are 10 people DEAD"- "will 11 make it any better?" exchange) where it felt like he processed it all rather quickly, thus feeling "funnyish"

Some of the clipping incidents are hilarious, but if that did happen Marginal.. Inc "Wat".

Edit: Ah, cognitive disonance. Such a fun thing- I didn't think of it that way though!

Modifié par Minardii, 27 mars 2010 - 08:57 .

[MarginalBeast]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Garrus is a master in reducing cognitive disonance and rationalisations:

Kill Sidonis - he was evil traitor and deserved to die, it makes me feel better.

Let Sidonis go - I saw something good about him so I let him go, it makes me feel better.

Haha, yes. Also this:



Garrus: I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Shepard: Let's talk about it.

Garrus: Yeah okay.


He never seems to be able to stick to his own feelings. If I had a penny for every time he said something like "I suppose you're right" or "You're probably right" I'd be rich.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 27 mars 2010 - 09:11 .

[Flammie]

Oh, no, I wasn't offended, sorry if it seemed like that, I just wasn't sure if you knew I was joking or was taking me seriously.

Well, if the conversation goes like that, then I don't know.

Hmm... Do I see another captioning option there, for that video? I'm gonna have a laugh.
Edit: aznsoisauce will be happy, Garrus says "Objection,"
...And apparently space-cars can talk.


Hmm, I think Shepard got on fine with Garrus's... "casual" wear, so maybe we could save the hugs for then, and have all the arm touching and stroking for his armour?

Ugh, cognitive dissonance, something that I'm extremely prone to. Save or blast Collector's base? Save or kill Sidonis? Arghagaharhgh.

Ah, Garrus, such a well-developed and realistic character and mind. Makes me wanna hug him more.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:11 .

[Collider]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Garrus is a master in reducing cognitive disonance and rationalisations:

Kill Sidonis - he was evil traitor and deserved to die, it makes me feel better.

Let Sidonis go - I saw something good about him so I let him go, it makes me feel better.

Haha, yes. Also this:



Garrus: I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Shepard: Let's talk about it.

Garrus: Yeah okay.


He never seems to be able to stick to his own feelings. If I had a penny for every time he said something like "I suppose you're right" or "You're probably right" I'd be rich.

I noticed this in ME1 as well. For how rebellious Garrus is against the red tape, he sure is malleable by Shepard sometimes. I don't have any reasoning for it yet.

[Flammie]

Perhaps it's because he has his own ideals and such, but is quite submissive to Shepard, being his commander and such?

[MarginalBeast]

I just finished the Omega batarian bartender sidequest last night. You know, the one who poisons you. Anyway, I was looking at the turian who shoots the bartender and I don't believe I've ever seen facial tattoos like his anywhere else in the series. When I first saw them I was reminded of a spider web. Or perhaps they aren't tattoos at all and he just has weird skin. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Garrus is a master in reducing cognitive disonance and rationalisations:

Kill Sidonis - he was evil traitor and deserved to die, it makes me feel better.

Let Sidonis go - I saw something good about him so I let him go, it makes me feel better.

Haha, yes. Also this:



Garrus: I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Shepard: Let's talk about it.

Garrus: Yeah okay.


He never seems to be able to stick to his own feelings. If I had a penny for every time he said something like "I suppose you're right" or "You're probably right" I'd be rich.

I noticed this in ME1 as well. For how rebellious Garrus is against the red tape, he sure is malleable by Shepard sometimes. I don't have any reasoning for it yet.

Garrus and Shepard, Shepard and Garrus: they are one!

lol. Seriously, though (and I know I've said this before), of all the characters, Garrus is like Shepard's refelction. I can't decide if he changes his mind to meet Shepards ideals so Bioware can make this happen deliberatly, or if this happens because he is so malleable.  (my head hurst)

[MarginalBeast]

Flammie wrote...

Perhaps it's because he has his own ideals and such, but is quite submissive to Shepard, being his commander and such?

Maybe, but even Tali sticks to her guns and is angry with you if you reveal her father's research. You can't just persuade her to see things your way. Whereas with Garrus you can ALWAYS do that.

[Flammie]

Tali is quite snarky with Garrus, and a little fiery, I think, so maybe she's a little more stubborn about her own values.

It's difficult to define the characters' minds, though, and the fact they're fictitious and only say some things makes it a little harder to understand them.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:20 .

[Collider]

I think it's a testament to the writer's abilities and the characters themselves that we can even discuss their personalities like this. Kudos Bioware. Anyway, I'm not sure about the negative connotations of stubborn, but I see where you're going .



Anyways, with Garrus I think that he's able to see two sides to the same picture. The fact that he joined C-Sec to take down criminals yet often disagrees with their red tape says as much.

[Pannamaslo]

Or maybe he is not so bad Turian after all. He's listening his commander like a good obedient Turian.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 27 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[Flammie]

Indeed, they're fictitious characters that only have defined lines, but yet we can see so much into them.

Well, stubborn was the first word that came to my head when thinking of why Tali's harder to convince. Does resillient work?

Y'know, I actually didn't like the Paragon options when talking to him in ME1. Chastising him is pretty... well, overpowering.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:25 .

[Collider]

I'll go with resilient. Tali, unless I'm mistaken, is the only character aside from Zaeed whose loyalty mission that doesn't necessarily end up with loyalty. I like that.



I'm not saying that Garrus doesn't have principle and convictions, because he does. So far as being able to convince him that killing/sparing Sidonis/Dr. Heart was the right way to go, like I said I see it as Garrus being able to see two sides to the same issue.

[silentstephi]

MarginalBeast wrote...

I just finished the Omega batarian bartender sidequest last night. You know, the one who poisons you. Anyway, I was looking at the turian who shoots the bartender and I don't believe I've ever seen facial tattoos like his anywhere else in the series. When I first saw them I was reminded of a spider web. Or perhaps they aren't tattoos at all and he just has weird skin. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?

He has very pretty tats.


I've seen a few turians on the Cidatel with a similar look, but only on their upper lip.  But yea, Boots found that picture and I was smitten.  Not as smitten as I am with the #4's group, but that one is a close second. XD

(I'm referring to my Turian Tattoo DB categorization btw, I has a linky in my sig! ^.^)

[Flammie]

Hmm...

Miranda - guaranteed (may change in argument)
Jacob - guaranteed
Garrus - guaranteed
Jack - guaranteed (may change in argument)
Mordin - guaranteed
Grunt - guaranteed
Tali - not guaranteed (may also change in argument)
Thane - not guaranteed (but only if you fail the mission, not for personality conflicts)
Samara - not guaranteed (only if you fail the mission or kill her instead of Morinth, but to be honest it's not as if she can get any more ticked off if you do that)
Legion - guaranteed (may change in argument)
Zaeed - not guaranteed

...Yeah, Zaeed and Tali, though they're not the only ones to not be guaranteed, are probably the most interesting, because it brings out their own values and morales into it.

I'm not arguing that Garrus does or doesn't have beliefs, I just see that he's a little submissive to Shepard if s/he's overly commanding to him.



...Wow, those are some pretty tats. I'm not sure, it does look a little like it's just his skin being sunken in, but it's still a nice effect.

Edit: Wow, silentstephi, that tattoo compilation is really in-depth and amazing. So many turians... *squee*

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:39 .

[Collider]

Random thought, but I remember pre-release when some people speculated that Garrus' kind of sick sounding voice (don't really agree but that was the argument) plus his achievement "Fade Away" equaled that Garrus would die or get sick. I'm very glad that didn't turn out true lol. ME3 wouldn't be the same without Garrus and Tali.

[MarginalBeast]

Ohh, yeah they definitely look like markings close-up and not really bad wrinkles. Thanks for clearing that up.

Collider, you can also fail Thane and Samara's loyalty missions. And yeah, a lot of people were worried that Garrus was dying. I remember one of the devs commented that that was "ironic", probably because Thane is the dying character but no one suspected it until much later.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 27 mars 2010 - 09:38 .

[Rikketik]

Collider wrote...
I noticed this in ME1 as well. For how rebellious Garrus is against the red tape, he sure is malleable by Shepard sometimes. I don't have any reasoning for it yet.

Well, he's still a Turian. A bad one, as he sees it, but still. He's a Turian and therefore susceptible to the opinion of his commander. Garrus also seems to be anarchistic towards the larger system, not directly someone in particular, like a superior such as Shepard. Only when that superior works along with the system that he hates, Garrus will start questioning his orders.

[Collider]

Flammie wrote...
...Yeah, Zaeed and Tali, though they're not the only ones to not be guaranteed, are probably the most interesting, because it brings out their own values and morales into it.

Ah, I forgot about Thane and Samara. Sorry about that. Failing those missions are rather in the background whereas Zaeed and Tali comes down to a direct choice.

I'm not arguing that Garrus does or doesn't have beliefs, I just see that he's a little submissive to Shepard if s/he's overly commanding to him.

I'm not really sure if you could call Garrus submissive. I think he's more willing to rethink his beliefs. There's nothing really wrong with that, in some cases it's a sign of maturity. At the core, Garrus is still willing to go extra length to take down criminals, the choices so far have only been what to do with them after Garrus has hunted them down.

[Collider]

Rikketik wrote...

Collider wrote...
I noticed this in ME1 as well. For how rebellious Garrus is against the red tape, he sure is malleable by Shepard sometimes. I don't have any reasoning for it yet.

Well, he's still a Turian. A bad one, as he sees it, but still. He's a Turian and therefore susceptible to the opinion of his commander. Garrus also seems to be anarchistic towards the larger system, not directly someone in particular, like a superior such as Shepard. Only when that superior works along with the system that he hates, Garrus will start questioning his orders.

That's quite a good point, he's against the system rather than any person as you said. What fits in perfectly with what you said is the fact that in both games Shepard is doing things unconventionally. Just what Garrus likes I assume.

[RiotLaFontaine]

Here we go! These screenshots should speak for themselves:



1 - The Normandy:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KTH9EU85



2 - Eden Prime

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K8EEIQGQ



3 - Citadel Part 1 (Presidium and Tower)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BK1EAA62



4 - Citadel Part 2 (Wards and C-Sec)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3H6SCUE7



5 - Citadel Part 3 (Wrex and SPECTRE Status)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8LRROPTZ



6 - Citadel Part 4 (Sidequests and Departure)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H7HBLQ2B