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[Flammie]

Hmm... I'm not sure.

"Just in time Shepard, because of you I could get a clear shot at that bastard,"
"That was a really big risk, what were you thinking?"
"I wasn't thinking, I just rea-Dr. Michel, are you okay?"


"No civillian casualties,"
"I wasn't imply-Yes, commander,"


I'd say it's a little submissive, though I won't say he'll completely cave in to Shepard. I think the fact that he's really willing to think over his own values, and accept other people's views actually is quite mature, though. And, I have to wholeheartedly agree with Rikketik.

@RiotLaFontaine: Amazing, I'm amazed at how much effort you went to. I'm downloading them now.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:47 .

[Collider]

To be fair, the civilian casualties one was from the scrapped interrupt video for Mass Effect 1 pre-release wasn't it? Anyways, I agree, it is very mature of him. Raising issue with his commanding officer wouldn't do any good any ways, probably.

[Flammie]

Yeah, but I also found it in his first conversation with Shepard on the Normandy, when he talks about the fact that now he's left C-Sec temporarily he can finally do things his way, which can allow you to use that response on him. I decided to go for the more neutral "Just don't get in my way, and you'll be fine", which prompted him to respond "Don't worry, I won't,". He actually sounded quite pleased when he said that.

Yeah, mature or not, it probably isn't a good idea to argue with your commander.


And, I just thought, don't any of the characters feel remotely lonely just standing/sitting in their own cramped little rooms, only seeming to talk to Shepard? I guess they may move around when you're not there, but there's nothing suggesting that, except for the arguments, and it does seem that they just stay fixed to their positions.

Modifié par Flammie, 27 mars 2010 - 09:55 .

[Rikketik]

I also wanted to say that I really like what BioWare did with Garrus' design. Not talking about the scars and broken armor here, but just his stature. He always seemed a bit wimpy to me in ME1. He seems much taller, broader and as a result, much more imposing. I just did his loyalty mission and the way he beat up Harkin... Very tough and angry Turian at work there. The Terminus Systems (and maybe the fight against Saren too) did really change him.

[Flammie]

He's always talked about how he hated the rules and regulations in ME1, but he didn't actually get to do anything about it, I think. I believe the whole journey after joining Shepard truly gave him an insight into how much he hated the red tape, what life beyond it would be like, and wanted to make a difference.

[Kim Shepard]

Flammie wrote...

"Just in time Shepard, because of you I could get a clear shot at that bastard,"
"That was a really big risk, what were you thinking?"
"I wasn't thinking, I just rea-Dr. Michel, are you okay?"

Poor Garrus. xD I've never heard that one because my Shepards always choose the "nice shot" option.

[Collider]

Indeed. It's hard to be mean and hostile to most of the squad mates. I could do renegade Shepard (haven't yet) but I'll have to keep nice or neutral to my squad mates since I like them so much.

[silentstephi]

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Here we go! These screenshots should speak for themselves:

6 - Citadel Part 4 (Sidequests and Departure)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H7HBLQ2B

Thanks for uploading these!  /Omnomnoms them

[kglaser]

Collider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Garrus is a master in reducing cognitive disonance and rationalisations:

Kill Sidonis - he was evil traitor and deserved to die, it makes me feel better.

Let Sidonis go - I saw something good about him so I let him go, it makes me feel better.

Haha, yes. Also this:



Garrus: I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Shepard: Let's talk about it.

Garrus: Yeah okay.


He never seems to be able to stick to his own feelings. If I had a penny for every time he said something like "I suppose you're right" or "You're probably right" I'd be rich.

I noticed this in ME1 as well. For how rebellious Garrus is against the red tape, he sure is malleable by Shepard sometimes. I don't have any reasoning for it yet.

Actually, on my first playthrough, I remember thinking how pretty much all of your crew was like that...they could be dead-set on something, and then Shepard would say one sentence to them, there'd be a pause...and they'd agree with you.  I remember thinking it was all a little tiny bit too convenient.

[Nissun]

Why does something so sweet as loving Garrus give me such a headache when I think about it? Damn... It's not that. Because you all love Garrus too, and I'm sure none of you have the same worries about it as I do.



In any case, I don't care. Actually, when I think back, my love for the not-quite-human has been there within me for years. Even before I realized. It's just that now the CGI is much more impressive. And my faith in humanity much lower.



*Sigh*

[Collider]

What are you worrying about?

[kglaser]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Flammie wrote...

"Just in time Shepard, because of you I could get a clear shot at that bastard,"
"That was a really big risk, what were you thinking?"
"I wasn't thinking, I just rea-Dr. Michel, are you okay?"

Poor Garrus. xD I've never heard that one because my Shepards always choose the "nice shot" option.

I heard it...once only.  On my three subsequent plays, I picked the Renegade answer every time.  I felt awful about picking on my Gar bear.

[Nissun]

Collider wrote...

What are you worrying about?

Doesn't matter, really. I've been watching District 9 for the second time in months, and I'm just wondering... Because it's scary how much I liked Christopher (the alien character). And it just made me think about... this whole thing...

Modifié par Nissun, 27 mars 2010 - 11:02 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Flammie wrote...

...I just realised Lazarus is also a character from Shining Tears. Yay for obscure references.

I don't know what Shining Tears is but "Lazarus" is a reference to the man Jesus brought back from the dead.  Sci fi often references Lazarus in stories about resurrection.

[Collider]

Yea pretty clearly Lazarus is a reference to the Bible.

@Nissun: I'm kind of getting an idea of what you mean, but if you don't want to share that's fine with us

[kglaser]

I think the message inherent here (whether intended or not) is that no matter how different someone looks on the outside, they can be everything you've ever dreamed of on the inside, a person worth knowing. And that those differences should be celebrated. I know the game wasn't created to deliver that message, but it doesn't hurt to think that people could think about that from playing Garrus as a romanceable character. Just a thought.

[Collider]

Very true. I think that Garrus and Tali exemplify that very thing.

[kglaser]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Flammie wrote...

...I just realised Lazarus is also a character from Shining Tears. Yay for obscure references.

I don't know what Shining Tears is but "Lazarus" is a reference to the man Jesus brought back from the dead.  Sci fi often references Lazarus in stories about resurrection.

The Lazarus Vector was created to save/resurrect the dying/dead trees in Rapture's garden level in the first Bioshock.

[Nissun]

Yeah, something along those lines. I guess that the matter with me is that... In order to fall for a character, it seems like I don't need a face at all. It sounds simple, but it's not really.

It's just that... Loving Garrus is understandable. He acts human. Alien races in Mass Effect are very human. If something acts human and has a humanoid appearance, it doesn't matter that their face is rough plates and hawk eyes. Like we've concluded before in this thread, turians are masculine and can definitely be attractive.

But that other character in that movie is SO different, it's really amazing that people watching the film even sympathise with him in the end. Why does that obvious, gigantic difference mean almost nothing to me? Something in my mind should be saying already: "hey there, stop it. He's a cool guy, but that's all, ok?"

I don't want to think about this too much, honestly. I have enough as it is. There is no need to make this... how do you say it in english? "Make a mountain out of a molehill"? Yeah. I'll keep falling in love with human men anyway, I guess that's not gonna change.

Modifié par Nissun, 27 mars 2010 - 11:21 .

[kglaser]

Actually, I saw a human side of Christopher in his eyes, which were startlingly human, I felt. In them I could see his love for his son and his desire to do the right thing for him. So for me at least that part is something to which I could relate.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Flammie wrote...
Y'know, I actually didn't like the Paragon options when talking to him in ME1. Chastising him is pretty... well, overpowering.

He respects you more if you're consistent.  If you're a paragon with everybody else and a renegade with him, he just gets confused.  I don't remember the exact exchange, but instead of saying "Thank you for everything," he says something like "I'll, uh, have to think about that, Commander."  You're his Commander, dammit!  Keep him in line!

Nissun wrote...

Yeah, something along those lines. I guess
that the matter with me is that... In order to fall for a character, it
seems like I don't need a face at all. It sounds simple, but
it's not really.

I can't speak for you, but for me it's an attraction to a personality regardless of appearance.  Both those characters you mention are treated as people, and are characterized as such.  I don't see anything wrong with liking ugly guys!

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Here we go! These screenshots
should speak for themselves:

1 - The Normandy:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KTH9EU85

2
- Eden Prime
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K8EEIQGQ

3
- Citadel Part 1 (Presidium and Tower)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BK1EAA62

4
- Citadel Part 2 (Wards and C-Sec)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3H6SCUE7

5
- Citadel Part 3 (Wrex and SPECTRE Status)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8LRROPTZ

6
- Citadel Part 4 (Sidequests and Departure)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H7HBLQ2B

These ought to be in the OP of the next Garrus thread.

[silentstephi]

Has lost the conversation somewhere...



Er, right. So. Garrus? And Riot, I made an LJ icon from one of the screen caps you took. It was too awesome not to... >.>





/needs to stop stalling and write something...

[Pannamaslo]

silentstephi wrote...

Has lost the conversation somewhere...

Er, right. So. Garrus? And Riot, I made an LJ icon from one of the screen caps you took. It was too awesome not to... >.>


/needs to stop stalling and write something...

Love the icon:O

Edit: About that screemshots. So if you play as Garrus and recruit Garrus, then you can make Garrus talk to Garrus? It's like Xzibit mem: Yo dawg! I heard you like Garrus, so we put Garrus next to Garrus, so you can talk to Garrus while you talk to Garrus.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 27 mars 2010 - 11:54 .

[ELE08]

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

Here we go! These screenshots should speak for themselves:

...

Thanks for the uploads!  Lol at the ones of Garrus Shepard with Garrus in his squad.  Garrus, meet Garrus