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[silentstephi]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You guys think that garrus should be a famous hero after helping shepard fend off the reapers? Like shepard is well known for saving the citadel, what about garrus?

After they started draggin Shep's name through the mud though, it's kind of up in the air.  He's infamous among his own people, for sure.  But I think by still causing such a ruckus back at the Citadel and C-Sec there's not going to be as much lee way for him as they'd have given Shepard. 

It kind of hints that Tali, Kaiden/Ash, and Wrex obviously got much better recognition, but Garrus just falls through the cracks.  It's weird.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You guys think that garrus should be a famous hero after helping shepard fend off the reapers? Like shepard is well known for saving the citadel, what about garrus?

You'd think that Turians everywhere would admire him for working for Shepard. That happened with Tali unfortunately that's not the case with Garrus. Maybe it's because he doesn't have much influence with his people unlike Tali. Then there's also the whole "When it comes down to it, I'm not a very good Turian" thing. Although I think sometimes he's wrong about that. In ME1 when Shepard paragonizes him, Shepard almost always ends up scolding Garrus. At the end of that scolding Garrus is going to complaing but he shuts his mouth and follows orders. He does the same with Dr. Saleon when Shepard tells him that he/she's going to put Dr. Saleon in jail. I think Garrus is too modest at times.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I mean, i think he should deserve some sort of recognition for what hes done, have helped saving the galaxy like 3 times (After ME3) right?

[Zafflesia]

If nothing else, he seems to be in good standing with the Cerberus crew. There was that bit when you're talking with him when he says "I think being part of the team that took down Saren got me some points... Everyone I talk to is polite, anyway."

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Thats cerberus though, you would think that someone out there would give him applause for what hes done?

[Cerrydd]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I mean, i think he should deserve some sort of recognition for what hes done, have helped saving the galaxy like 3 times (After ME3) right?

Well, I think the teams from both ME1 and ME2 deserve as much praise as Shepard. Everybody is in awe of Shepard, but it's not like I could have killed Saren/Sovereign and the human Reaper all by myself. Garrus and Wrex were by my side in ME1 and Garrus and Grunt were my buddies in ME2. The next time they visit the Citadel , they should be able to get a discount by saying "I'm Garrus Vakarian/Urdnot Wrex/Urdnot Grunt and this is my favourite store on the Citadel."

So, yeah, I think Garrus (and others) deserve recognition for what he's done. Everybody says "Oh WOW Commander Shepard!" and they all ignore the awesome turian with the sexy voice who always had my back.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Thats cerberus though, you would think that someone out there would give him applause for what hes done?

Yes and they're human. A Turian being respected by humans is fine and all but he doesn't even get respect from his own race. Maybe in ME3 he'll get some recognition, I doubt it will be from anything that happened in ME2. There's no evidence of the Collector base blowing up and Cerberus is not widely recognized. I also doubt that working with Cerberus would get him any "points" with Turians. It'll have to be something that happens in ME3.

[siltsonata]

I think they all got at least passing recognition, but Wrex and Tali moreso because because their efforts directly benefited their race (or, in the case of Wrex, they at least made an impact even though not everyone is happy about it.) Ash/Kaidan was probably immediately promoted, so that would have some effect on the recognition factor.



I imagine he got a few points, but the real focus really was on Shepard. (Too bad, you'd think the Turians would want to emphasize that it wasn't just a HUMAN who took down their rogue TURIAN spectre, that a TURIAN helped to do it. Would redeem their racial image a little bit.)

[kglaser]

Where did it become official that turians live approximately the same amount of years as humans, anyway? I think I read that on the Mass Effect Wiki, but don't know the origin of that information.

[siltsonata]

kglaser wrote...

Where did it become official that turians live approximately the same amount of years as humans, anyway? I think I read that on the Mass Effect Wiki, but don't know the origin of that information.

http://meforums.biow...99022&forum=123

[Splinter Cell 108]

kglaser wrote...

Where did it become official that turians live approximately the same amount of years as humans, anyway? I think I read that on the Mass Effect Wiki, but don't know the origin of that information.

The devs said it on the old forums. I don't have any links and I think looking for that will take too much time. They said that their lifespans aren't mentioned because they are similar to human lifespans.

EDIT: nevermind someone just posted the link.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 30 mars 2010 - 05:22 .

[kglaser]

Thanks for the information!

[falco117]

I dont think garrus will ever get recognized by the galactic communiy especially the turians because to get to his current state of bad assness garrus broke the most important rule in turian society, always go by the book, turians give point to the journey as well as the destination

[dskylark]

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Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

Seriously, if Shepard can't trust Garrus who in the galaxy can he/she trust??  :(Garrus betrayal? DO NOT WANT 

This.
Out of all the people under Shepard's command Garrus is probably the least likely to intentionally commit betrayal against his superior officer. It's not even a matter of romancing him or not. The bond of camaraderie and trust between those two is simply too concrete for something like that to happen without proper justification - especially if you helped him deal with the Sidonis incident during the latest installment.
Unintentional betrayal would make some sense, but frankly I can't even fanthom a good reason for Garrus to turn his back on Shepard - short of Shepard attempting to kill Garrus first and/or turning to the dark side and helping the Reapers.

Everyone has their buttons to push, even Garrus.  If he did it would probably be blackmail of somekind cause I do think Garrus would die before betraying Shepard, romance or not.  It would be a good storyline though.  Garrus somehow betrays Shepard and either Shepard kills him(renegade) or finds out why and forgives him(paragon).

As for Garrus betraying Shepard.  Honestly, of all the characters he is the one I can least see doing this.  I realized a few years ago that in my mind, betrayal is the worst of any sin a person can commit upon another.  There's a reason Dante wrote that traitors go to the very lowest circle of hell.  Even though "sudden but inevitable betrayal" is way overused, it's still powerful.

BUT at the same time....I don't think I would stop playing or anything if Garrus did.  When I really think about it, having him betray Shepard would probably ellicit some of the strongest emotion out of me that a game has ever been able to do.  Movies and books have made me cry before; a game has never made me cry.  I read on forums a lot about people getting teary eyed in games (including this one) and I'm always kind of jealous (unless they are just being hyperbolic?).  I'm still waiting for a game to do that for me.  I've felt emotions while playing, sure, but never enough to bring tears.   So some weird, masochistic part of me kind of wants Bioware to do something terrible (either betrayal, or loyalty but with tragic death) just...to see if it works.  I wouldn't like it, but I certainly would never forget it.

Might hurt replayability though.


More likely scenario, if any of this "Garrus is more than he appears" stuff is true, is not that he's spying on Shep but maybe more just...on secret orders to help her/protect her/keep track of what's going on with the Reapers. She might feel slightly betrayed when she finds out he wasn't telling her everything, but since it wasn't harmful I think she'll be able to get over it.

Sorry this old, but I just wanted to talk about it.

Did anyone else get a chilling feeling during Garru's Loyalty Mission when he asks Shep "What would you do if one of your own betrayed you?"

I serious the **** up after he asked that.  His body language and tone(s) of voice were very sinister.  I agree that I would not want to lose Garrus as a squad mate, but it does make for very powerful story telling in ME3.

I talk to him constantly now to get that brother in arms camaraderie feeling him and Shep have. 

[falco117]

Then garrus goes all saren on shepards' ****

[MarginalBeast]

Considering that Garrus is made out to be one of Shepard's most trustworthy allies, having him betray Shepard wouldn't exactly be "powerful story-telling". It would make no sense unless Garrus was already planning to betray Shepard for a long, long time.

[falco117]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Considering that Garrus is made out to be one of Shepard's most trustworthy allies, having him betray Shepard wouldn't exactly be "powerful story-telling". It would make no sense unless Garrus was already planning to betray Shepard for a long, long time.

Garrus' betrayal will give us one of those "F**k YEAH!" moments that makes us want to invest more into a character

[falco117]

oh you all should check out the bioware bazaar forum, the banners there are HILARIOUS

[Zafflesia]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Considering that Garrus is made out to be one of Shepard's most trustworthy allies, having him betray Shepard wouldn't exactly be "powerful story-telling". It would make no sense unless Garrus was already planning to betray Shepard for a long, long time.

I agree. It'd have to be this or a decision Shepard makes that really goes against Garrus's grain. I can't imagine what that'd be though...

[dskylark]

It could easily be fixed with character development. In ME3, we could watch the descent and falling out between Garrus and Shep. Something could happen between them strong enough to break that trust they have. The line spoken at the end of his loyalty could be interpreted as foreshadowing for things to come in ME3.



Saren thought he was doing the right thing before he became completely indoctrinated by Sovereign.

[falco117]

dskylark wrote...

It could easily be fixed with character development. In ME3, we could watch the descent and falling out between Garrus and Shep. Something could happen between them strong enough to break that trust they have. The line spoken at the end of his loyalty could be interpreted as foreshadowing for things to come in ME3.

Saren thought he was doing the right thing before he became completely indoctrinated by Sovereign.

to me the most likely scenario for this "falling out" is if you let sidonis live in me 2 he will do something so catastrophic in me 3 and that garrus blames you for it and how he shouldve killed him in the first place

[dskylark]

Well if you let Sidonis live, he admits he felt really guilty about all of it and turns himself in for the murdering 8 people in Omega. The C-Spec locks him up but dont do anything with him because there is no government in Omega to give him due process.



Im more concerned about letting Garrus kill Sidonis. Seeing someone calm and calculating as Garrus so enraged with blood lust was a bit distrubing. This could be interpreted as foreshadowing a more ruthless Garrus in ME3. His loyalty mission is called an Eye for an Eye.



We know Garrus cares a lot about his crew. Possibly Garrus gets promoted to a small cell of his own and Shep jeopardizes them all. People can change, and most of the time, its not in the way you want them to.

[falco117]

what do you mean by "cell"

[Aricle]

I think loyalty is important to him,and if he did earn any recognition, it would come about as part of that. Loyalty makes his relationship/romance with Shepard so compelling and his dedication to the mission powerful. Yet, his loyalty isn't confined to prerequisites of affiliation or species, which would interfere with recognition in the officially-sanctioned sense. He would definitely be remembered, hopefully with young Turians admiring him for doing what he thought was right for the galaxy. Unfortunately, I could see him ending up with some posthumous award, like Ash got.



To get recognized, there is often an expectation or associated code of conduct (such as for Spectres: discretionary use of powers) and Garrus prefers getting the job done. Thus, his showing up on Omega to fight gangs makes sense to me. It's amusing that those considered as lawbreakers are confounded by Garrus, as seen in Aria's comment on him to Shepard when asked what she knew about him, "Not as much as I'd like...If you make your own rules, which everyone does on Omega, he makes life difficult."



What do you think Garrus would want to be recognized or remembered for? What would the Galactic "F*** Yeah!" moment be?



I think, I hope that whatever it is, is coming in ME3. I'm impressed but the galaxy needs something big. Now, I'm going to think about the answer to my own question.