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[Sialater]

I dunno... I think noodles would be funnier than hell.

[Cerrydd]

Remaix wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Eating on the Normandy: do you think aliens eat with knives, forks and spoons? I can't get the image out of my head of all aliens stuffing their mouths full with food. Except for Garrus of course, he's a gentleman.

I can't imagine Thane eating like that either! He's just as much a gentleman. Tali eats... like... quarians eat. Grunt probably just shoves it in his mouth.

Thane doesn't need his hands or spoons. He just rolls out his tongue. XD

[siltsonata]

Sialater wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Re: reactions to biotics/Shep's class -- Come to think of it, I don't think Shep's class has ever been acknowledged by an NPC, ever.  Even the backstory is ignored more often than I would wish.  Maybe that would be something good to add in ME3.  Vanguard, Sentinel, Infiltrator...they're all pretty different.  You'd think it'd affect how Shep comes across to people.  Just like Thane vs. Grunt is a very different impression.

In ME1, Kaiden comments on it if you're an adept, asks about your implant.

I've heard that about Kaidan, but I've never been able to find the dialogue option.

And I'm pretty sure I read an interview somewhere where someone asked a Bioware rep (might have been Casey Hudson) if there would be any place in ME2 where NPC's would acknowledge the character's class, and he said no, Shepard is mostly considered as an all-around extremely able soldier and that the class doesn't affect that much.

[Gerse1]

"If intended to try human, would try you!" LOL. And look, even Mordin said that asari were oddly attractive to him, "possibly neurochemical." EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS A LIE

[Von Verrikan]

Gerse1 wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Nightfire78 wrote...
I also have to adress one thing that keeps coming up (and I keep not getting around to commenting on it). Unless the line I get is somehow different, Garrus says he doesn't have a "human fetish", that doesn't actually say anything about whether or not finds Shep. (or even the occassional other human) attractive as a fetish is a "fixation", an "object of unreasonably excessive attention" to quote the dictionary. While I know I can be accused of splitting hairs on this point, I just felt the need to point out that not having a "human fetish" does not automatically translate into finding humans unattractive.

100% true.

But I think the reason so many people (myself included) translate the line as meaning "Do not want bang HUMAN." is just the way it's delivered in the context of the sentence, and Garrus himself.  He's snarky in this game.  I felt like the fetish remark was something of a hyperbole judging by the way he said it, and that he continued to say "but this isn't about that", like the word "that" means sexual attraction in general. 

Again, this is totally interpretation and I have no evidence other than the impression that I got from listening to it myself, which I just wanted to explain to give perspective.

Agreed, I think his delivery of the line might cause a little confusion, but also to me it's more he's trying to say to Shep "Don't think I only want you BECAUSE you're human...I don't want just any human...I want you."   Wait, that's VanderShep's line..

On the topic of Garrus lines, people really need to consider who shepard is before considering Garrus lines.

Shepard is a loyal friend. A hero. A member of a different species. His/Your DNA could mean death or problems just by kissing. You're his commanding officer. And a person he respects like no other. Put yourselves in his boots for a moment, if you will.

Garrus first initial impression was one of excitement. He was surprised you wanted him sexually, and he would be very willing to try it with you if he could figure out how to make it work. This is done with "What he really thinks of you" in mind, before he even has a chance to run over all the potential problems.

After the first encounter he starts to mull it over. Ah, you're human, should you really be doing this? It's interspecies and he never even considered it before. (He was excited at first because he wants YOU and he wasnt thinking "Oh and she's human") Damn, you're his commanding officer and the best person he knows. He doesn't know anything about your species sexual habits either, of course he's going to be nervous and afraid

He gives you several options to bail because he's straight up afraid, yet he still really wants it to work. He does try really hard, and he wants very much for there to be time "just for the two of us" because he honestly does care, he just has some major major mental stonewalls to break through first.

Even with all these problems he still drags his nervous arse up to your cabin, brings you wine, and tries his best to compliment you as his heart no doubt races wildly in his chest. You're about the best thing he's ever had in his life, and he wants nothing more than this to go right for the both of you. But look at the damn problems he has right there.. People mock Garrus lines or say he's not really that into you, but they do that without ever thinking for a second what massive problems he's working through to be with you in the first place.

I can't imagine the nervousness! Can you? Your dad would kill you (Cerberus + spectre are you serious). You could die from kissing/making out with shepard. She's your commanding officer. A hero. A person you would die for. And she wants you of all people? Good god people.. I'm surprised Garrus didn't come up to your cabin trembling and falling over himself from the sheer scope of what he was doing.

Anyone who takes the time to consider what Garrus must be thinking will find his pursuit of you the most touching, emotional and loving thing ever in a videogame (At least from my perspective).

[Sialater]

Gerse1 wrote...

"If intended to try human, would try you!" LOL. And look, even Mordin said that asari were oddly attractive to him, "possibly neurochemical." EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS A LIE

Makes you wonder if they look like the female of every species.  Like Liara looks like a blue human chick to you, but a blue Turian female to Garrus?

[Gerse1]

hear hear von verrikan! ok, this forum has been stealing my attention all day =D but time to drag my lazy ass to the gym. balances out the obscene amounts of time on couch playing video games XD.

[FaeTian]

Von Verrikan wrote...

On the topic of Garrus lines, people really need to consider who shepard is before considering Garrus lines.

Shepard is a loyal friend. A hero. A member of a different species. His/Your DNA could mean death or problems just by kissing. You're his commanding officer. And a person he respects like no other. Put yourselves in his boots for a moment, if you will.

Garrus first initial impression was one of excitement. He was surprised you wanted him sexually, and he would be very willing to try it with you if he could figure out how to make it work. This is done with "What he really thinks of you" in mind, before he even has a chance to run over all the potential problems.

After the first encounter he starts to mull it over. Ah, you're human, should you really be doing this? It's interspecies and he never even considered it before. (He was excited at first because he wants YOU and he wasnt thinking "Oh and she's human") Damn, you're his commanding officer and the best person he knows. He doesn't know anything about your species sexual habits either, of course he's going to be nervous and afraid

He gives you several options to bail because he's straight up afraid, yet he still really wants it to work. He does try really hard, and he wants very much for there to be time "just for the two of us" because he honestly does care, he just has some major major mental stonewalls to break through first.

Even with all these problems he still drags his nervous arse up to your cabin, brings you wine, and tries his best to compliment you as his heart no doubt races wildly in his chest. You're about the best thing he's ever had in his life, and he wants nothing more than this to go right for the both of you. But look at the damn problems he has right there.. People mock Garrus lines or say he's not really that into you, but they do that without ever thinking for a second what massive problems he's working through to be with you in the first place.

I can't imagine the nervousness! Can you? Your dad would kill you (Cerberus + spectre are you serious). You could die from kissing/making out with shepard. She's your commanding officer. A hero. A person you would die for. And she wants you of all people? Good god people.. I'm surprised Garrus didn't come up to your cabin trembling and falling over himself from the sheer scope of what he was doing.

Anyone who takes the time to consider what Garrus must be thinking will find his pursuit of you the most touching, emotional and loving thing ever in a videogame (At least from my perspective).

*applause*

Couldn't have said it any better myself! I'd say you summed up what Garrus was feeling perfectly!

[AnotherStupidAccount]

I love this thread. I didn't realize that Garrus was going to be a LI in ME2 until I saw the 'reach and flexibility' option come up. I thought my character came off as more than a little crass when she propositioned him, but I was so happy to get a chance with Garrus (thanks, BioWare! I have another $60 for you when ME3 is ready!) I had to shut down the game, dig out my copy of ME1, and play through the whole thing again so I could get a Shepard that wasn't involved with Kaiden (I can't bring myself to cheat on anyone, even a videogame character who blows me off on Horizon).



Knowing that Garrus becomes a LI in ME2 made me pay closer attention to him in ME1, too. I think my favorite line from him in the first game comes from the Consort quest, when she asks you to convince the retired Turian general to stop badmouthing her. When my Shepard confronted the (drunken and lovelorn) general in Chora's Den with Garrus in her party, Garrus was pretty harsh with the poor guy--called him pathetic, and said something like, "What could a woman be to you, that you'd let yourself get into this condition?" I didn't think anything of that line, the first time I played the game, but now I'm wondering...if Shepard rejects him in the final romance scene (which I've never been able to let her do, can't even watch it on YouTube), would Garrus have a better understanding of the general's plight? I think he would. That line made me think that Garrus hadn't had any truly serious relationships, if he couldn't understand why the general was in the bar.

[Sialater]

Von Verrikan wrote...

On the topic of Garrus lines, people really need to consider who shepard is before considering Garrus lines.

Shepard is a loyal friend. A hero. A member of a different species. His/Your DNA could mean death or problems just by kissing. You're his commanding officer. And a person he respects like no other. Put yourselves in his boots for a moment, if you will.

Garrus first initial impression was one of excitement. He was surprised you wanted him sexually, and he would be very willing to try it with you if he could figure out how to make it work. This is done with "What he really thinks of you" in mind, before he even has a chance to run over all the potential problems.

After the first encounter he starts to mull it over. Ah, you're human, should you really be doing this? It's interspecies and he never even considered it before. (He was excited at first because he wants YOU and he wasnt thinking "Oh and she's human") Damn, you're his commanding officer and the best person he knows. He doesn't know anything about your species sexual habits either, of course he's going to be nervous and afraid

He gives you several options to bail because he's straight up afraid, yet he still really wants it to work. He does try really hard, and he wants very much for there to be time "just for the two of us" because he honestly does care, he just has some major major mental stonewalls to break through first.

Even with all these problems he still drags his nervous arse up to your cabin, brings you wine, and tries his best to compliment you as his heart no doubt races wildly in his chest. You're about the best thing he's ever had in his life, and he wants nothing more than this to go right for the both of you. But look at the damn problems he has right there.. People mock Garrus lines or say he's not really that into you, but they do that without ever thinking for a second what massive problems he's working through to be with you in the first place.

I can't imagine the nervousness! Can you? Your dad would kill you (Cerberus + spectre are you serious). You could die from kissing/making out with shepard. She's your commanding officer. A hero. A person you would die for. And she wants you of all people? Good god people.. I'm surprised Garrus didn't come up to your cabin trembling and falling over himself from the sheer scope of what he was doing.

Anyone who takes the time to consider what Garrus must be thinking will find his pursuit of you the most touching, emotional and loving thing ever in a videogame (At least from my perspective).

Exactly. 

[siltsonata]

AnotherStupidAccount wrote...
Knowing that Garrus becomes a LI in ME2 made me pay closer attention to him in ME1, too. I think my favorite line from him in the first game comes from the Consort quest, when she asks you to convince the retired Turian general to stop badmouthing her. When my Shepard confronted the (drunken and lovelorn) general in Chora's Den with Garrus in her party, Garrus was pretty harsh with the poor guy--called him pathetic, and said something like, "What could a woman be to you, that you'd let yourself get into this condition?" I didn't think anything of that line, the first time I played the game, but now I'm wondering...if Shepard rejects him in the final romance scene (which I've never been able to let her do, can't even watch it on YouTube), would Garrus have a better understanding of the general's plight? I think he would. That line made me think that Garrus hadn't had any truly serious relationships, if he couldn't understand why the general was in the bar.

DOOOOD, every single time he says that line I talk to my TV.

Garrus:  "What could a woman do to put you in this state?"
Silt:  "...Would you like Shepard to show you?  She can." And now that I've played ME2, I go "Oh, you'll see Garrus.  You'll see.":bandit:

And I agree, that line is further evidence that Garrus is all about work and probably hasn't had a serious relationship before.

[siltsonata]

Man...is it just me or is this page super super buggy?

[Sialater]

siltsonata wrote...

AnotherStupidAccount wrote...
Knowing that Garrus becomes a LI in ME2 made me pay closer attention to him in ME1, too. I think my favorite line from him in the first game comes from the Consort quest, when she asks you to convince the retired Turian general to stop badmouthing her. When my Shepard confronted the (drunken and lovelorn) general in Chora's Den with Garrus in her party, Garrus was pretty harsh with the poor guy--called him pathetic, and said something like, "What could a woman be to you, that you'd let yourself get into this condition?" I didn't think anything of that line, the first time I played the game, but now I'm wondering...if Shepard rejects him in the final romance scene (which I've never been able to let her do, can't even watch it on YouTube), would Garrus have a better understanding of the general's plight? I think he would. That line made me think that Garrus hadn't had any truly serious relationships, if he couldn't understand why the general was in the bar.

DOOOOD, every single time he says that line I talk to my TV.

Garrus:  "What could a woman do to put you in this state?"
Silt:  "...Would you like Shepard to show you?  She can." And now that I've played ME2, I go "Oh, you'll see Garrus.  You'll see.":bandit:

And I agree, that line is further evidence that Garrus is all about work and probably hasn't had a serious relationship before.

Yeah.... he can't even calibrate after Shep's done with him.

[Cerrydd]

I know how you feel right now
Losing dreams you've come to care about
I know what you need right now
You need to come on home so I can hold you tight
Get you through the night
I'll get you through the night

DAMN BUGGY PAGE IS BUGGY

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Modifié par Cerrydd, 22 février 2010 - 08:39 .

[RiouHotaru]

Cerrydd wrote...

I know how you feel right now
Losing dreams you've come to care about
I know what you need right now
You need to come on home so I can hold you tight
Get you through the night
I'll get you through the night

DAMN BUGGY PAGE IS BUGGY

If the text does not link,

...Blocked in my country due to copyright laws?  Seriously?

[onibontan]

I love Garrus I'm on my second playthrough now (NG+ Insanity) and always bring him with me =3 Somehow I never get tired of playing his recruitment mission, I must've done it four or five times now.



On another note, what do you think - why did the writers choose "Archangel"? I think it might have something to do with the fact that archangels can be seen as both benevolent AND pitiless in their efforts to enforce the law of god ... Your thoughts?

[Cerrydd]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

I know how you feel right now
Losing dreams you've come to care about
I know what you need right now
You need to come on home so I can hold you tight
Get you through the night
I'll get you through the night

DAMN BUGGY PAGE IS BUGGY

If the text does not link,

...Blocked in my country due to copyright laws?  Seriously?
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lol, wut? maybe this works. It's not the official video.

Modifié par Cerrydd, 22 février 2010 - 08:57 .

[Forwen]

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

On another note, what do you think - why did the writers choose "Archangel"? I think it might have something to do with the fact that archangels can be seen as both benevolent AND pitiless in their efforts to enforce the law of god ... Your thoughts?

I think it was a bit of pretty bad writing, because Archangel is a figure from human culture and Omega is a mostly alien station. Maybe it's Shepard's translator that calls it "Archangel" while in fact it's some sort of a better known turian/asari/batarian equivalent, but I'd appreciate if it had been noted.

Modifié par Forwen, 22 février 2010 - 08:58 .

[siltsonata]

Forwen wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

On another note, what do you think - why did the writers choose "Archangel"? I think it might have something to do with the fact that archangels can be seen as both benevolent AND pitiless in their efforts to enforce the law of god ... Your thoughts?

I think it was a bit of pretty bad writing, because Archangel is a figure from human culture and Omega is a mostly alien station. Maybe it's Shepard's translator that calls it "Archangel" while in fact it's some sort of a better known turian/asari/batarian equivalent, but I'd appreciate if it had been noted.

But he says it's a name some of the locals gave him for his good deeds.  There do seem to be quite a few humans living on Omega so it does seem possible that he got the nickname from some human locals and it just stuck.

I like the idea of the translator marking an equivalent a lot, but I imagine that it'd be hard for a translator to think of an equivalent for a human religious figure.

[RiouHotaru]

Forwen wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

On another note, what do you think - why did the writers choose "Archangel"? I think it might have something to do with the fact that archangels can be seen as both benevolent AND pitiless in their efforts to enforce the law of god ... Your thoughts?

I think it was a bit of pretty bad writing, because Archangel is a figure from human culture and Omega is a mostly alien station. Maybe it's Shepard's translator that calls it "Archangel" while in fact it's some sort of a better known turian/asari/batarian equivalent, but I'd appreciate if it had been noted.

Heeee, I don't think Garrus himself knows the full implication of the title.  Of course, he'd probably be embarassed if he did.

[Forwen]

siltsonata wrote...

But he says it's a name some of the locals gave him for his good deeds.  There do seem to be quite a few humans living on Omega so it does seem possible that he got the nickname from some human locals and it just stuck.

I like the idea of the translator marking an equivalent a lot, but I imagine that it'd be hard for a translator to think of an equivalent for a human religious figure.

True, Shep's translator "glitches" when Thane uses a similar religious term. I personally simply resent using such blatant human symbolism in a sci-fi spanning the entire galaxy... Everyone knows turians are better anyway.

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[bushes289]

siltsonata wrote...

Forwen wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

On another note, what do you think - why did the writers choose "Archangel"? I think it might have something to do with the fact that archangels can be seen as both benevolent AND pitiless in their efforts to enforce the law of god ... Your thoughts?

I think it was a bit of pretty bad writing, because Archangel is a figure from human culture and Omega is a mostly alien station. Maybe it's Shepard's translator that calls it "Archangel" while in fact it's some sort of a better known turian/asari/batarian equivalent, but I'd appreciate if it had been noted.

But he says it's a name some of the locals gave him for his good deeds.  There do seem to be quite a few humans living on Omega so it does seem possible that he got the nickname from some human locals and it just stuck.

I like the idea of the translator marking an equivalent a lot, but I imagine that it'd be hard for a translator to think of an equivalent for a human religious figure.

This makes perfect sense, think about it. The most hated race on omega other than the vorcha are humans. Remember no one cared about the batarian bartender because no one cared that he was poisoning humans. So it stands to reason that humans were the ones most positively affected by Garrus's good deeds. Making a human title perfectly reasonable.

[Ms Cherissa]

RiotLaFontaine wrote...

*raises his hand* I'm also a turian, but since I'm not really a great artist or anything, all I have to show for now is a simple sketch and a few basic outfit references (based on Saren's concept art). Here's Skethis, an agent of the Turian Inquisition (details can be found . . . elsewhere):

http://i791.photobuc.../SkethisFA1.jpg

http://i791.photobuc...s/Untitled2.png
http://i791.photobuc...s/Untitled1.png

Oh, I didn't know you were Skethis, though in hindsignt that should've been damn obvious. Oblivious reader is oblivious. I suppose at some point Von and I need to include you in the costume fixins, seeing as how when it comes to costs, making 2-4 of a thing tends to cost almost exactly as much as making only one. I'll drop you a private message about that.

Need bigger versions of the last two if we're talking accuracy for costuming, plx.

[Pannamaslo]

On attraction topic: During course of game you have batarian merc saying that shep is sweet, Turian Meln is hitting on Shep and Garm from a blood pack states that Archangel is a "Turian, which makes him slightly worse to look at than you (Shep)". I am guessing human females have similar status of "attractiveness" as Asari. They are just new in galactic community, hence less popular. Hell, they are attractive to Drells and Turians at least. Enough for me...



And I think Mordin says that Asari's offers intruging in a sense: what is attractive in me (for Turians skin tone, for Krogans...flexibility...Ugh). Not " I was interested" IMO. Of course everything goes down to personal preferences.



And I think bachelor party was for the lulz. Easter egg of some kind.



Also olny in my second playthrough I noticed body bags in Garrus' HQ. It really struck me. Hell of psychological trauma to put 10 close friends into cadaver pouches.

[Ms Cherissa]

Sialater wrote...
Back on topic: Given turian suspicion of biotics -- I get the idea it's worse than in human space -- I'm increasingly surprised Garrus never mentions it, not even in ME1. But, then, I guess it's more a problem with the ignoring the biotics than it is with Garrus.

I don't recall it saying anywhere in game or in codex that turians are suspicious of biotics, only that turian biotics are rare. Where did I miss this? Doh!