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Figured I'd post it here again. I transcribed the entire Turian codex entries from screenshots. Should answer all of your questions about Garrus.

Turian codex entry overload!

Turians: Biology


The turian homeworld, Palaven, has a metal-poor core, generating a weak magnetic field and allowing more solar radiation into the atmosphere. To deal with this, most forms of life on Palaven evolved some form of metallic exoskeleton to protect themselves. Their reflective plate-like skin makes turians less susceptible to long-term, low-level radiation exposure, but they do not possess any sort of natural armor. A turian's thick skin does not stop projectiles and directed energy bolts.

Although life on Palaven is carbon-based and oxygen-breathing, it is built on dextro-amino acids. This places turians in a distinct minority on the galactic stage; the quarians are the only other known sapient dextro-protein race. The food of humans, asari, or salarians (who evolved in levo-amino acid-based biospheres), will at best pass through turian systems without providing any nutrition. At worst, it will trigger an allergic reaction that can be fatal if not immediately treated.

--I took this to mean that only some turians are allergic to levo-amino based proteins. Like a human with a nut/shellfish allergy, while it can be fatal, it's definitely not the norm.--


Turians: Culture

While turians are individuals with personal desires, their instinct is to equate the self with the group, and set aside personal desires for the good of all.

Turians are taught to have a strong sense of personal accountability, the 'turian honour' that other races find so remarkable. Turians are taught to own every decision they make, good or ill. The worst sin they can make in the eyes of their people is to lie about their own actions. Turians who murder will try to get away with it, but if directly questioned, most will confess to the crime.

Turians have a strong inclination toward public service and self-sacrifice, so they tend to be poor entrepreneurs. To compensate, they accepted the mercantile volus as a client race, offering protection in exchange for their fiscal expertise.

The turian military is the center of their society. It is not just an armed force; it is an all-encompassing public works organization. The military police are also the civic police. The fire brigades serve the civilian population as well as military facilities. The corps of engineers builds and maintains spaceports, schools, water purification plants, and power stations. The merchant marine ensures that all worlds get needed resources.

--I can just imagine a child-Garrus trying to get away with breaking his mom's vase, and Papa Vakarian punishing him harshly to teach him that lying is a sin against their entire race.--

Turians: Government

The turian government is a hierarchical meritocracy. While it has great potential for misuse, this is tempered by the civic duty and personal responsibility turians learn in childhood.

Turians have 27 citizenship tiers, beginning with civilians (client races and children). The initial period of military service is the second tier. Formal citizenship is conferred at the third tier, after boot camp. For client races,  citizenship is granted after the individual musters out. Higher-ranked citizens are expected to lead and protect subordinates. Lower-ranked citizens are expected to obey and support superiors. Promotion to another tier of citizenship is based on the personal assessments of one's superiors and co-rankers.

Throughout their lives, turians ascend to higher tiers and are occasionally demoted to lower ones. The stigma associated with demotion lies not on the individual, but on those who promoted him when he wasn't ready for additional responsibility. This curbs the tendency to promote individuals into positions beyond their capabilities.

Settling into a role and rank is not considered stagnation. Turians value knowing one's own limitations more than being ambitious.

At the top are the Primarchs, who each rule a colonization cluster. The Primarchs vote on matters of national import. They otherwise maintain a hands-off policy, trusting the citizens on each level below them to do their jobs competently.

Turians enjoy broad freedoms. So long as one completes his duties and does not prevent others from completing theirs, nothing is forbidden. For example, there are no laws against recreational drug use, but if someone is unable to complete his duties due to drug use, his superiors step in. Judicial proceedings are "interventions." Peers express their concern and try to convince the offender to change. If rehabilitation fails, turians have no qualms about sentencing dangerous individuals to life at hard labour for the state.

--I think we should adopt this into our own society.--

Turians: Military Doctrine

Although they lack the brutality of the krogan, the skill of the asari, and the virtuosity of the humans, the turian military has formidable discipline. Officers and NCOs are "lifers" with years of field experience. Enlisted personnel are thoroughly trained and stay calm under fire. Turian units don't break. Even if their entire line collapses, they fall back in order, setting ambushes as they go. A popular saying holds: "You will only see a turian's back once he's dead."

Boot camp begins on the fifteenth birthday. Soldiers receive a year of training before being assigned to a field unit; officers train for even longer. Most serve until the age of 30, at which point they become one of the Reserves. Even if they suffer injuries preventing frontline service, most do support work behind the lines.

Biotics are uncommon. While admired for their exacting skills, biotics' motives are not always fully trusted by the common soldier. The turians prefer to assign their biotics to specialist teams called Cabals.

Command and control is decentralized and flexible. Individual squads can call for artillery and air support. They make extensive use of combat drones for light duties and practice combined arms: infantry operates with armor, supported by overhead gunships. Strategically, they are methodical and patient and dislike risky operations.

Tradition is important. Each legion has a full-time staff of historians who chronicle its battle honours in
detail. The oldest have records dating back to the turian Iron Age. If a legion is destroyed in battle, it is reconstituted rather than replaced.

The turians recruit auxiliary units from conquered or absorbed minor races. Auxiliaries are generally light infantry or armored cavalry units that screen and support the main turian formations. At the conclusion of their service in the Auxiliaries, recruits are granted turian citizenship.

--I totally want a turian green card.--

Turians: Religion

Although turians have a strict moral code, their belief in individual responsibility means that the concepts of good and evil are simply the individual's choice between egotism and altruism in any given decision. They have no concept of 'good' deities that encourage noble behaviour, or 'evil' ones that tempt individuals to misdeeds.

Turians believe that groups and areas have 'spirits' that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honour and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.

These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can insipre the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested might appeal to the spirit of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honour of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.

Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari 'siarist' philosophy. Since opening dialogue with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.

--Their philosophies on spirits coincide with my own beliefs in many ways, I was pleased to see this the first time I read it in-game.--

Turians: The Unification War

At about the time the salarians and asari were forming the Council, the turians were embroiled in a bitter civil war. The Unification War, as it was later named, began with hostilities between the colonies furthest from the turian homeworld, Palaven.

These colonies were run by local chieftains, many of whom had distanced themselves from the Hierarchy. Without the galvanizing influence of the government, these colonies became increasingly isolated and xenophobic. Colonists began wearing emblems or facial markings to differentiate themselves from members of other colonies, an open hostilities became common.

When war finally broke out, the Hierarchy maintained strict diplomacy and refused to get involved. After several years of fighting, less than a dozen factions remained and the Hierarchy finally intervened. By this time, the chieftains were too weak to resist; they were forced to put an end to the fighting and renew their allegiance to the Hierarchy.

Though peace was restored, it took several decades for this animosity between colonists to fade completely. To this day, most turians still wear the facial markings of their home colonies. As a point of interest, the turian term 'barefaced' refers to one who is beguling or not to be trusted. It is also a slang term for politicians.

--Funny, we just call our politicians evil.--

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I'd love to see BioWare keep the existing LIs for ME3 and add depth to the relationships. I especially like the idea of different groups reacting to Shepard's choice. In fact, I'd like to see the Normandy with a multispecies crew for once. It made sense that an Alliance ship, in ME1, would be humans-only, and that a Cerberus ship, in ME2, would be humans-only, but a multispecies crew would give us a chance to see reactions to Shepard and Garrus sharing quarters. Plus, we'd get to have crewmembers from species that probably won't show up as squadmates (hanar, volus).

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Thanks for the codex transcription. It's been awhile since I've read it. Maybe that should be added to the OP?




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AnotherStupidAccount wrote...

I'd love to see BioWare keep the existing LIs for ME3 and add depth to the relationships. I especially like the idea of different groups reacting to Shepard's choice. In fact, I'd like to see the Normandy with a multispecies crew for once. It made sense that an Alliance ship, in ME1, would be humans-only, and that a Cerberus ship, in ME2, would be humans-only, but a multispecies crew would give us a chance to see reactions to Shepard and Garrus sharing quarters. Plus, we'd get to have crewmembers from species that probably won't show up as squadmates (hanar, volus).



That would be a great idea. I'd love to see Turians, Salarians, Asari, Humans and even Batarians making up the Normandy's crew. Maybe that could be what you get if you quit Cerberus and choose the Council over them.

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Well, you know, we could take Jack's advice now that we're freelance... Not all our crewmen would be happy with being pirates.... Even vigilante ones. Heck, I got reinstated as a Spectre. You could have a very diverse crew then...

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So I was replaying ME1 recently ('research for costumes', yeah, yeah!) and was noticing that Saren's got very human hips, and his gait is even very human. Since apparently this didn't create a huge fuss for, ohhhhhhh, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I figure anyone wanting to go the easy route for costuming can take that option and run with it. :D



But it made me wonder about extensive cybernetics for turians in general. We know Garrus probably has about a half a head full of cybernetics now, but where do turians as a society draw the line? Do they? Even Nihlus didn't seem to blink at how low Saren's essence was (Shadowrun reference for those who get it).



And biotics - I don't know if Saren was or wasn't, some of his special effects seemed similar to biotic barrier, for example, but then so did ME1's geth shields. It stands to reason that if most biotics are the result of embryonic exposure to eezo, the more 'advanced' species would have fewer such accidental biotics. They'd theoretically have stronger controls on such a dangerous substance, so Salarians and turians would have fewer biotics than humans.

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Well Saren looks like he's a different kind of Turian. Maybe a subspecies of the Turians, he had those horns and he wasn't as tall as the other Turians. In fact I believe Shepard is taller than him. He also had a smaller collarbone. I really wish they would have elaborated on this in ME2. I want to know more about Turians and especially those that look like Saren. Let's hope for Palaven in ME3 or as DLC, hopefully as DLC since it involves less waiting and the devs said they would consider it.

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We know so little about the Turians =/

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Well Saren looks like he's a different kind of Turian. Maybe a subspecies of the Turians, he had those horns and he wasn't as tall as the other Turians. In fact I believe Shepard is taller than him. He also had a smaller collarbone. I really wish they would have elaborated on this in ME2. I want to know more about Turians and especially those that look like Saren. Let's hope for Palaven in ME3 or as DLC, hopefully as DLC since it involves less waiting and the devs said they would consider it.


Palaven?

Can someone tell me who or what this is?

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Palaven?

Can someone tell me who or what this is?


Turian homeworld; Virmire reminds Garrus of Palaven "where (he) grew up", and ... the sucky magma planet where you find Liara makes him comment "and I thought Palaven was hot!"

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Nah, Saren's extra cheek 'fringe' blades were totally cybernetic, just built on the stuff there to begin with. He was as tall as the other turians from what I've been seeing. I think if he were truly part of a more unique sub-species of turian, we'd see more of his body type running around, but the concept art and the collector's ed book indicate his physical differences are the result of all his mods.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Well Saren looks like he's a different kind of Turian. Maybe a subspecies of the Turians, he had those horns and he wasn't as tall as the other Turians. In fact I believe Shepard is taller than him. He also had a smaller collarbone. I really wish they would have elaborated on this in ME2. I want to know more about Turians and especially those that look like Saren. Let's hope for Palaven in ME3 or as DLC, hopefully as DLC since it involves less waiting and the devs said they would consider it.


Palaven?

Can someone tell me who or what this is?


Turian homeworld. :)

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Well Saren looks like he's a different kind of Turian. Maybe a subspecies of the Turians, he had those horns and he wasn't as tall as the other Turians. In fact I believe Shepard is taller than him. He also had a smaller collarbone. I really wish they would have elaborated on this in ME2. I want to know more about Turians and especially those that look like Saren. Let's hope for Palaven in ME3 or as DLC, hopefully as DLC since it involves less waiting and the devs said they would consider it.


Palaven?

Can someone tell me who or what this is?


It's the turian homeworld, Garrus says it's similar to Virmire

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Santiri_azz wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Well Saren looks like he's a different kind of Turian. Maybe a subspecies of the Turians, he had those horns and he wasn't as tall as the other Turians. In fact I believe Shepard is taller than him. He also had a smaller collarbone. I really wish they would have elaborated on this in ME2. I want to know more about Turians and especially those that look like Saren. Let's hope for Palaven in ME3 or as DLC, hopefully as DLC since it involves less waiting and the devs said they would consider it.


Palaven?

Can someone tell me who or what this is?


It's the turian homeworld, Garrus says it's similar to Virmire


Oh yeah thats right huh? I think they need to pretty much expand the world in general, exploration is very limited in both games. Hopefully in dlc they could add new major worlds we could actually visit, like palaven or even earth. They should also expand on dialouge between squadmates and expand the places we can go on Illium, Omega, and the Citadel. 

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Ive been thinking about this for a while so I figured I would acctually make a post now since it hold some relevance to the current discussion.

I get the impression that most people think that Garrus and Turians in general are physically stronger than humans to some degree, but Im not so sure.

The only display of strength we ever really see from a turian is during the encounter Garrus has with Harkin, and what he did was hardly superhuman. Also, the fact that Shepard can pretty much walk all over at least three turians in the Afterlife VIP area, dispatching two with single blows and throwing another, makes me question their durability as well. And finally, having just read the first novel, I distinctly remember Anderson considering beating the cr@p out of two turians.

And not for nothing, but without their armor on, they look seriously frail and appear to be built much more for speed than strength. I wouldnt be surprised if someone like Zaeed could beat the hell out of Garrus in a fight.

There, I had to get that off my chest so someone please respond. >_>

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It's the Turian homeworld and Garrus says it's like Virmire. Imagine how unique that is, a civilization that lives on a world made of beaches. The only problem with Palaven is that it's radioactive although it shouldn't affect Shepard if he/she wears armor and not necesarily with a helmet. Turians are made for that environment though. That's why their skin is the way it is, because they evolved to adapt to the radiation. In fact most things on Palaven have that kind of skin.

EDIT: someone beat me to it....

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

It's the Turian homeworld and Garrus says it's like Virmire. Imagine how unique that is, a civilization that lives on a world made of beaches. The only problem with Palaven is that it's radioactive although it shouldn't affect Shepard if he/she wears armor and not necesarily with a helmet. Turians are made for that environment though. That's why their skin is the way it is, because they evolved to adapt to the radiation. In fact most things on Palaven have that kind of skin.

EDIT: someone beat me to it....


Ya man its going to be pretty cool to actually visit some more alien homeworlds. Though does that mean that they can only live in radiation? Or are they able to adapt to other habitats as well?

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BelgianCookies wrote...

Ive been thinking about this for a while so I figured I would acctually make a post now since it hold some relevance to the current discussion.

I get the impression that most people think that Garrus and Turians in general are physically stronger than humans to some degree, but Im not so sure.

The only display of strength we ever really see from a turian is during the encounter Garrus has with Harkin, and what he did was hardly superhuman. Also, the fact that Shepard can pretty much walk all over at least three turians in the Afterlife VIP area, dispatching two with single blows and throwing another, makes me question their durability as well. And finally, having just read the first novel, I distinctly remember Anderson considering beating the cr@p out of two turians.

And not for nothing, but without their armor on, they look seriously frail and appear to be built much more for speed than strength. I wouldnt be surprised if someone like Zaeed could beat the hell out of Garrus in a fight.

There, I had to get that off my chest so someone please respond. >_>


That's...odd. I've never seen people indicate that turians are really strong. Most people that I've seen think turians are built for speed... "the link between dinosaurs and birds", I think, would very much indicate speed over strength. The only thing is that their skin is harder, so while it's not armor, they aren't as soft. Grunt points out that quarians and turians are not as easy to squish as humans, asari, and salarians. But I don't think they're particularly stronger than humans or anything beyond their military training.

My suspicion is that they have hollow bones, or something. Could be wrong. But that's just my guess.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

It's the Turian homeworld and Garrus says it's like Virmire. Imagine how unique that is, a civilization that lives on a world made of beaches. The only problem with Palaven is that it's radioactive although it shouldn't affect Shepard if he/she wears armor and not necesarily with a helmet. Turians are made for that environment though. That's why their skin is the way it is, because they evolved to adapt to the radiation. In fact most things on Palaven have that kind of skin.

EDIT: someone beat me to it....


Ya man its going to be pretty cool to actually visit some more alien homeworlds. Though does that mean that they can only live in radiation? Or are they able to adapt to other habitats as well?


I suppose they can. There are plenty of Turians on Noveria although they might have trouble adapting to different conditions since Garrus was complaining about the cold all the time. Who can blame him though, he's used to living in a tropical world.  There's also plenty of Turians on the Citadel and Omega so I doubt that they can't live in places without radiation.

As for Turians not being strong I doubt it. Garrus had to fight a Krogan (Garm) and almost killed him if it weren't for the Blood Pack reinforcements he probably would have won that fight. They are a predatorial species although that doesn't mean that they are strong or anything. They also look very muscular with or without their armor IMO. The Codex also says that their legs and arms seem capable of ripping flesh which makes me wonder if that's the reason why they are always fully clothed except for their heads. Maybe not wearing all that clothing causes them to be a danger to others maybe by accidentally bumping onto someone they could end up cutting them. If we do get Palaven I really hope they show some of their skin and especially since Palaven is tropical world, those tend to be hot. I wouldn't imagine Turians in there walking around in those kinds of clothing.

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BelgianCookies wrote...

I get the impression that most people think that Garrus and Turians in general are physically stronger than humans to some degree, but Im not so sure.

The only display of strength we ever really see from a turian is during the encounter Garrus has with Harkin


Turians are described as one of the more physically intimidating races, which is a canon or dev reference, and we see Saren using one arm to lift Shep into the air to strangle him (or her) in ME1 -- but Saren is on cyber-roids, so that's not an especially fair point of reference.

Remember, each race seems to have traits that make them 'superior' in one way or other, and we do know that Garrus also went toe-to-toe with a krogan on Omega. Krogan are described very strong and 'nigh invulnerable' so even with the conjecture that Garrus has the shiny "Big Damn Hero" stamp and is remarkably fit for a turian, I say yes, turians as a whole are stronger and faster than humans.

OTOH turians don't think outside the box too well. They even had to sign on the volus as a client race to hold their own in galactic economics.

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Zaheed beating the crap out of Garrus?

I think that statement right there created a paradox. No one can beat the crap out of garrus.

I also think that a turian's strength, like humans, vary from person to person. Yeah shepard was able to beat the hell out of 2 turians in the afterlife with only 2 punches, but i think garrus said that he was in a one on one combat with the blood pack leader ( a krogan)  which was "close". So yeah, there is that.

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BelgianCookies wrote...

Ive been thinking about this for a while so I figured I would acctually make a post now since it hold some relevance to the current discussion.

I get the impression that most people think that Garrus and Turians in general are physically stronger than humans to some degree, but Im not so sure.

The only display of strength we ever really see from a turian is during the encounter Garrus has with Harkin, and what he did was hardly superhuman. Also, the fact that Shepard can pretty much walk all over at least three turians in the Afterlife VIP area, dispatching two with single blows and throwing another, makes me question their durability as well. And finally, having just read the first novel, I distinctly remember Anderson considering beating the cr@p out of two turians.

And not for nothing, but without their armor on, they look seriously frail and appear to be built much more for speed than strength. I wouldnt be surprised if someone like Zaeed could beat the hell out of Garrus in a fight.

There, I had to get that off my chest so someone please respond. >_>


It's stated somewhere in ME1 (don't remember where :() that turians are stronger than humans.
But Anderson and Shepard are highly trained marines so it's no wonder they'd win against common turian thugs.
Also the Turian merchant on the Citadel says humans are squishy :D

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I was about to point out Saren's collargrab on Shep but Ms. Cherissa beat me to it ^^ but as for Shepard's ability to wail on turians throughout the 2 games, well, my answer to that is...it's Shepard. She wails on everyone.



Good points on Garrus' ability to hold his own in a fight, but I also think he may be slightly stronger (and is definitely larger, in ME2 anyhoo) than your average turian. But not all of them went to C-Sec after the military or ran around with a Spectre squishing baddies night and day. And honestly I don't know too many human males who could pick up Harkin and smash him against a wall one handed with no apparent effort like that *swoon*.



Generally to me they seem to be the same, or slightly more physically adept, than humans. Speedier is a possibility. And they definitely have sharper teeth, hehe.



As for hollow bones...that would only make sense if they evolved from creatures of flight. Hasn't been said one way or the other, but that's the whole point of hollow bones, to be light. Could explain the extreme collarbone protection though hehe.

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So I said earlier I'd share some screenshots from my playthrough of "Garrus Effect." And So, here are some of the better ones I took (I know my texture quality isn't great, but I don't have a zoompy graphics card). Here is a set from the first mission of Commander Garrus Shepard on Eden Prime:

Commander Garrus being all contemplative
Yeah. He's just that cool looking
"What was that you said about a stick up my butt? Lieutenant?
Commander Garrus looking like he belongs on a "Hope" poster.
"Hey! I want to see what's on the screen too!"
Team Garrus! Suited up and ready for action!
Commander Garrus surveys the battlefield like the tactical genius he is.
"Why do I get the feeling Jenkins is about to meet an untimely end?...
Splayed mandibles mean "Back the hell off!"
"Feeling... Lucky? Well, are you punk?"
Shhh! He's concentrating!
"My god, it's full of stars!"

As I continue on in the Garrus saga, I shall see if I can upload more.

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Santiri_azz wrote...
It's stated somewhere in ME1 (don't remember where :() that turians are stronger than humans.
But Anderson and Shepard are highly trained marines so it's no wonder they'd win against common turian thugs.
Also the Turian merchant on the Citadel says humans are squishy :D


Ooh. If you remember, reference me to it. I'm curious now.

...Bad thoughts. Bad thoughts. Bad thoughts. :whistle:


ETA: Though if they have hollow bones, I can't imagine that they'd be very strong, so my theory is quashed.

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omg. he looks like a little old lady in that helmet. don't ask.