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Perhaps their cover up is just a big joke on Shep... (saw this on the "If you were Commander Shepard" thread, I edited it a bit to save space though):
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For some reason I can just see the Council giggling about driving poor Shep. insane :P


Wow...it's like, I want that to be true...but then I don't...

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silentstephi wrote...

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omg. he looks like a little old lady in that helmet. don't ask.


..that or rather like my cat when he was still a tiny fuzzy kitten. Also, don't ask.


It's okay, I can imagine.  As much as I constantly remind myself they are supposed to be bird-dinos, I can never get my first impression of "cat" out of my head.  It may partly be Saren's fault, his extra "fringe" looks kind of like whiskers.  The shape of their mouths...And their little noses! Even the way they walk, it's bird like with the feet, but also has a catlike quality, but more like, say, a cheetah (they're a bit gangley), than a tiger or lynx or something.  And the sharp teeth.  Wow I am thinking of new ones even now.  AND perhaps the most imporant thing of all....the purrrrrrring voices rowr! I wonder if turians purr when they are happy ^_^:)


Actually I think it's just ME1's fault.  When I see some of the screenies I have of Garrus from ME1... he looks very kitty like.  It's weird Oo

And yea, the vibro voice doesn't help deter that train of thought. o.O  But does that mean Drell and Turians can purr? 


I can see drell purring through those red gills of theirs.  Saren was rather snarly/growly too.

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Except that his "compliments" in his final scene also seem strained/forced, to me.  Part of that can be attributed to not knowing what to say, but surely he can think of a better way to compliment hair than that it looks "good"--if he actually means it.  I doubt he'd get away with what he said if Shepard were a turian!  I'm assuming that what we hear of Garrus is through a translator--if he knows some Earth languages/English and has switched to it there, then I could understand the poor choice of words.  No matter how awkward he's been in either game, I've never before seen him choose his wording that poorly.  And why would you think he's attracted to other species if he's never been drawn to consider looking at them?  People tend to notice when they think someone is attractive.  I think, given the dialogue, that in the Shepard-Garrus romance, it's not about physical attraction at all.  It's because of who they are--and to me, that's a lot nicer than believing that they think each other is hot.

Gah, trying to catch up with all of these posts!  I don't think his compliments were "forced" - I think he was just trying to compliment her in a context that he understood.  He even says as much with the "If you were a turian I'd be complimenting you on your..."; he's in an awkward situation and he wants things to go right (again, as stated) - the problem is that he doesn't know what is socially acceptable to say to a human female.  

I'm sure there are several things about Shep/human females that he finds attractive, he just doesn't feel comfortable vocalizing them only to have FemShep be like "wtf, you like my KNEES/(insert random body part here)?" or something of that sort, haha.

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ tootles and nightfire

The issue of whether Shep was declared/believed dead, and how long the rumors of her survival took to start going around, is still one of the biggest question marks left for me. Seems like every time I read a thread about it, people have different quotes from their respective games that support one theory or the other. I don't know if this is affected by your ME1 choices or what? Or it's just a matter of what you happen to hear/see.
My first impressions were that the rumors of her being alive only started after she actually woke up and was spotted on omega and other places (i always forget you don't technically have to go there first). But then, I also didn't pay as good attention to what Cerberus people and others said in the beginning, because I naively assumed that Shepard's miraculous rise from the dead, first time achieved by medical science in the galaxy, would be, you know, reacted to more, by squaddies, NPCS, and everyone. People even argue over whether Shep was declared dead or missing in action. In my game, Jacob tells her the alliance declared her dead. But then, someone like Garrus who sees how shady the following coverups were, might be tempted to disbelieve *anything* they hear on the matter. Who knows though. I don't know what to think...


I think the rumors began either when Shepard first escaped the Lazerus(sp?) facility or a few weeks beforehand. The messages on Shep's account aren't dated though...and it HAS been two years. I doubt Cerberus would set up any rumors that Shepard was alive when they don't even know if it's possible to bring Shepard back to life exactly as he/she was. No, I think for at least over a year and a half, everyone fully believes Shepard is dead.

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So, random thought on Garrus's burning need to avenge his team...



Turian religion... the team/squad/ship has it's own spirit. You think maybe part of his reaction to losing his squad is tied in to the whole fact that now the spirit of what they were doing is dead? The thought is still barely formed in my brain, and I'll have to look over the codex entry again... but it'd be an interesting insight to why he's out for Sidonus. Especially since Sidonus is another turian and should understand even more what he's done. May even be why Sidonus feels like he's already dead back at the Wards.



Just a thought...

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ tootles and nightfire

The issue of whether Shep was declared/believed dead, and how long the rumors of her survival took to start going around, is still one of the biggest question marks left for me. Seems like every time I read a thread about it, people have different quotes from their respective games that support one theory or the other. I don't know if this is affected by your ME1 choices or what? Or it's just a matter of what you happen to hear/see.
My first impressions were that the rumors of her being alive only started after she actually woke up and was spotted on omega and other places (i always forget you don't technically have to go there first). But then, I also didn't pay as good attention to what Cerberus people and others said in the beginning, because I naively assumed that Shepard's miraculous rise from the dead, first time achieved by medical science in the galaxy, would be, you know, reacted to more, by squaddies, NPCS, and everyone. People even argue over whether Shep was declared dead or missing in action. In my game, Jacob tells her the alliance declared her dead. But then, someone like Garrus who sees how shady the following coverups were, might be tempted to disbelieve *anything* they hear on the matter. Who knows though. I don't know what to think...


I know what you mean... I mean if one of my friends showed up at my door after being dead for two years telling me some (however messed up) organisation managed to put her back together from charred remnants, I'd probably need to be put on sedatives for a while, ask all kinds of questions the poor resurrected friend wouldn't be able to answer and expect every newsperson on the planet to be camped outside the door. Or of course I could just go, "Oh, that's nice. Wanna help me fix one of my mundane problems?" <_<

So, yeah... I was kind of expecting a bit more "wow, they brought someone back from the dead!" and a bit less "dude, why didn't your charred corpse write me an email" :huh:

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silentstephi wrote...

So, random thought on Garrus's burning need to avenge his team...

Turian religion... the team/squad/ship has it's own spirit. You think maybe part of his reaction to losing his squad is tied in to the whole fact that now the spirit of what they were doing is dead? The thought is still barely formed in my brain, and I'll have to look over the codex entry again... but it'd be an interesting insight to why he's out for Sidonus. Especially since Sidonus is another turian and should understand even more what he's done. May even be why Sidonus feels like he's already dead back at the Wards.

Just a thought...



It could be but Garrus doesn't seem like the religious type. He never talks a lot about Turians in fact. He just talks about his life and about how he thinks the job should be done. Maybe this is tied to the idea of him believing that he is not a good Turian. Maybe talking about Turians reminds him of that and so he chooses not to talk about it. The only time he talks about something Turian is about "Reach and Flexiblity", Palaven being like Virmire and him not being a good Turian.

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I just have to say that I am happiest after coming home from a long day at work knowing that I will have more to read from this thread. Is it pathetic? Perhaps, but it is the truth and it feels gooooood.

About who started rumors about Shep being alive...Cerberus is an unlikely suspect. They operate in individual cells and generally are unaware of other Cerberus operations. So for a Cerberus operative that isn't on the Normandy to comment (brag, really) on Shep being alive...it's odd. There apparently were no survivors from Wilson's betrayal, so Cerberus employees from the Lazarus project could be excluded as well. But that doesn't rule out that it was someone on the Normandy that decided to blab.

Or!

You could blame the Quarians as they were the first to see you outside of a Cerberus facility.

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Gerse1 wrote...

@ tootles and nightfire

The issue of whether Shep was declared/believed dead, and how long the rumors of her survival took to start going around, is still one of the biggest question marks left for me. Seems like every time I read a thread about it, people have different quotes from their respective games that support one theory or the other. I don't know if this is affected by your ME1 choices or what? Or it's just a matter of what you happen to hear/see.
My first impressions were that the rumors of her being alive only started after she actually woke up and was spotted on omega and other places (i always forget you don't technically have to go there first). But then, I also didn't pay as good attention to what Cerberus people and others said in the beginning, because I naively assumed that Shepard's miraculous rise from the dead, first time achieved by medical science in the galaxy, would be, you know, reacted to more, by squaddies, NPCS, and everyone. People even argue over whether Shep was declared dead or missing in action. In my game, Jacob tells her the alliance declared her dead. But then, someone like Garrus who sees how shady the following coverups were, might be tempted to disbelieve *anything* they hear on the matter. Who knows though. I don't know what to think...

The bizarre thing is that Jacob also says that Shepard's death was hushed up and the Alliance never openly declares Shep dead (internally, perhaps, but not to the public)--but then a whole bunch of civilians, like the store owners, react like 'I thought you were dead!'. Perhaps they simply assumed because Shepard fell quite suddenly out of the public eye? Still, it's really weird. A lot of contradictory information going around.

Edit: Doesn't TIM mention spreading some rumors of your return when you call him out after Horizon? He talks about luring the Collectors in with the Virmire survivor's presence and their connection to you.

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ComTrav wrote...

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I do like that about Garrus, but in Thane's defense...Shep IS always asking people to talk about their problems.  heh.  I just wish that more characters than, well, Jacob, would ask her the same in return.



No one cares about the player character's problems....

"Why, thank you for asking, Garrus. Since you asked, dying kind of sucked, and also wasn't fun coming back and seeing how the old crew completely team apart without me. Oh, and I worked so hard to save the Council and convince Chief Williams that they were good and useful, and it seems I was wrong."

I was actually hoping there would be a scene wherein Shep had a mini-freak out at, ya know, DYING.  The most we get is a shocked "Two years? I've been gone TWO YEARS?", and then it's business as usual.   Considering that she experienced death by suffocation I imagine the memories would be pretty traumatizing. 

I think Bioware just doesn't want to take that kind of PC emotional response out of the players' hands, though, since not everyone wants their Shepard to react in that manner...  Poo.

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Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?



Was ist going on??

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-D-C-D- wrote...

Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?

Was ist going on??


From what I hear their threads are just bigger because they talk a lot of nonsense. People here like to focus on things more and discuss better than them. That or the Tali fans ar just too many, well at least Garrus doesn't have any haters. The same can't be said about Tali.

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Shep can react. Badly. A paragon goes renegade, for instance. Mine? She kicked a merc out a window and beat up a suspect among other things. I don't think Shep's the time to gnash her teeth and wail and tear her hair out in her freak outs. "I'm pissed. And when I get pissed I shoot things. Where are the bugs?"

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-D-C-D- wrote...

Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?

Was ist going on??

Because MAI WAIFU is a bigger trend than MAI HUSBANDO.

I don't mind it, honestly. The Tali threads are kind of...rabid. It's pretty civil over here. And a lot less spammier.

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

-D-C-D- wrote...

Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?

Was ist going on??


From what I hear their threads are just bigger because they talk a lot of nonsense. People here like to focus on things more and discuss better than them. That or the Tali fans ar just too many, well at least Garrus doesn't have any haters. The same can't be said about Tali.


Point taken. I was just browsing them myself...yep, tali love has gotten...disturbing. Over in the Tali camp they are discussing someone's creation of a quarian sex doll...I kid you not. Haha.

I just feel that Garrus is such a better character, overall. He essentially is the best friend of Shep. He's also the only one I can imagine going on a night out with. Haha.

Turian/Human drinking games-starts off fine, until the idea of mixing drinks comes around...

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I prefer not to think of Garrus and Tali as competitions. I adore them both. So kudos to them, and kudos to us (even Latecomer Me, yes, yes, yes. :D ).



As for the Shepard's Alive rumors... what I understood was she was sighted around Omega (or whatever) and rumors spread, I remember hearing a news announcement on it. However, the fact that she was with Cerberus was leaked to the Alliance from TIM; he said so himself after Horizon. I suspect it's been a couple of weeks since Shepard woke up by then, that's plenty of time for a rumor to circulate in a 'verse where FTL exists.



I don't think Garrus heard until he spotted her coming down the bridge on Omega. Michel, I think, heard the rumors and emailed comm.shepard.@AllianceRocks.exnet to check. Somehow, Shepard being that awesome, I don't think anyone would be surprised that she could come back from the dead, or they just assumed it was a deeply covered up mission and Shepard was never dead in the first place. Or most people just didn't know either way; I'm pretty sure the Council/Alliance go out of their way to go, "Oh, nah, Shepard's...Shepard's...not...here at the moment? How about them space pirates, eh?"

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-D-C-D- wrote...

Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?

Was ist going on??


What Splinter Cell 108 said, really. Not to diss Team Tali, but as much as I love my Kaylee Space Gypsy from Battlestar Galactica, I can't get the same enjoyment from those threads as I get over here in these parts.

silentstephi wrote...

So, random thought on Garrus's burning need to avenge his team...

Turian
religion... the team/squad/ship has it's own spirit. You think maybe
part of his reaction to losing his squad is tied in to the whole fact
that now the spirit of what they were doing is dead? The thought is
still barely formed in my brain, and I'll have to look over the codex
entry again... but it'd be an interesting insight to why he's out for
Sidonus. Especially since Sidonus is another turian and should
understand even more what he's done. May even be why Sidonus feels like
he's already dead back at the Wards.

Just a thought...


Oh, totally. I got
that notion early on, that unless he goes back to Omega and reforms the
squad, something glorious and good - the spirit of the squad, the
spirit of their mission - is lost and forever gone.  And he can't go
back and rekindle it, because he's got to go save the galaxy. Again.

Gerse1 wrote...



I come bearing video.



Garrus
is so badass he is completely unphased by the arrival at his base of
his doppelganger from the future, accompanied by what very well may be
zombieShep, and a geth.



Somehow I feel like Legion was *not* the most "interesting choice" in this video, lol....




AHHHHHHHHHHH! *LMAO* Oh man. Priceless.

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-D-C-D- wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

-D-C-D- wrote...

Guys, I have to ask...how is our Garrus love being so badly beaten by team Tali?? I mean, Garrus, in my opinion, is superior to the quarian in EVERY way...no?

Was ist going on??


From what I hear their threads are just bigger because they talk a lot of nonsense. People here like to focus on things more and discuss better than them. That or the Tali fans ar just too many, well at least Garrus doesn't have any haters. The same can't be said about Tali.


Point taken. I was just browsing them myself...yep, tali love has gotten...disturbing. Over in the Tali camp they are discussing someone's creation of a quarian sex doll...I kid you not. Haha.

I just feel that Garrus is such a better character, overall. He essentially is the best friend of Shep. He's also the only one I can imagine going on a night out with. Haha.

Turian/Human drinking games-starts off fine, until the idea of mixing drinks comes around...


Agreed. I like Tali but not as much as those people. Garrus drunk would be an interesting thing to see. I wonder how is it that he didn't become an alcoholic, just look at all the messes he got into, I wouldn't be surprised if he was an alcoholic. In fact I think I wouldn't like to see him drunk, he'd probably tell Shepard about all his mistakes and about everything he regrets. Besides he doesn't need drinking he has Shepard. Who could ask for more?

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Gerse1 wrote...

"If intended to try human, would try you!" LOL. And look, even Mordin said that asari were oddly attractive to him, "possibly neurochemical." EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS A LIE

Now I'm curious - does Mordin say this to MaleSheps, too?  Image IPB

Seriously, with each playthrough I fall more in love with Mordin.  I find myself talking to the TV as I'm playing (like a crazy person) that if Mordin had been a LI Garrus would have been in trouble.

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Sialater wrote...

Human females have one "benefit" when it comes to interspecies, er... diplomacy, let's call it. They bear an uncanny resemblance to the asari which most species seem to find incredibly attractive.

So, no, I don't think he's got a "fetish," but until now he and Shep have been thoroughly in the friend zone. You don't THINK about your friends and commanding officers like that. ;) And heck, in my ME1 play through, he and Kaiden (who I do like and did romance) were pals.

I'm such an evil ****, Garrus broke the Bro Code for my Shep.

As far as Shep's concerned... She trusts Garrus and needed a shoulder after Horizon and before risking all their lives.

On another tangent, I've been thinking about your team of saints, sinners, miscreants and misfits... You have to work so hard on their loyalty because you have to convince them to be willing to die for you, not fight for you. I guess, looking at it that way, still having to do Tali's and Garrus' loyalty quests are necessary.


Apparently the bachelors at the bar in Ilium would disagree with you on asari looking like blue human women.  It seems they look like a female of whatever species is looking at them.  The turian thinks they look like turians, the salarian thinks they look salarian, and the human thinks that they look human.  How this would function in vids, art, etc. I have no idea.  Maybe it's just a joke due to someone pointing out (legitimately) that it makes no sense for species so different from humans to be attracted to something otherwise humanoid.

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Tootles FTW wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

"If intended to try human, would try you!" LOL. And look, even Mordin said that asari were oddly attractive to him, "possibly neurochemical." EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS A LIE

Now I'm curious - does Mordin say this to MaleSheps, too?  Image IPB

Seriously, with each playthrough I fall more in love with Mordin.  I find myself talking to the TV as I'm playing (like a crazy person) that if Mordin had been a LI Garrus would have been in trouble.


Mordin is made entirely of awesome.  I've never meant that more in my entire life.

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...You know, I always cringed whenever people called the asari a "Mary Sue race", but I'm reaaally starting to see their point.

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Agreed. I like Tali but not as much as those people. Garrus drunk would be an interesting thing to see. I wonder how is it that he didn't become an alcoholic, just look at all the messes he got into, I wouldn't be surprised if he was an alcoholic. In fact I think I wouldn't like to see him drunk, he'd probably tell Shepard about all his mistakes and about everything he regrets. Besides he doesn't need drinking he has Shepard. Who could ask for more?


I feel that Garrus drunk would contribute to the best sequence of events of my life. Exactly! Ha I gave ME1 a blitz-through today (doing one final Sentinel import), and I literally spent about 5 minutes marvelling at his intact face..."oh Garrus, if you only knew..."

He also has, IMO, the best in-game dialogue. Like snide comments in conversations ("...that's a little extreme Commander." "Laugh it up, Garrus...") You just get the feeling him and Shepard are actually friends, and not just team-mates. So yes Bioware, please maintain the Garrus! I figure he's been in the first 2, might as well let him finish the ride :)

Oh, and tell me hearing, "Scratch one!" isn't the most reassuring thing you'll ever hear mid-insanity!

EDIT:Forgot to add the quote...haha.

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Brass_Buckles wrote...
 Maybe it's just a joke due to someone pointing out (legitimately) that it makes no sense for species so different from humans to be attracted to something otherwise humanoid.


And yet, as a general rule, we keep seeing otherwise. Fake aliens ranging from Asari and Na'vi to Kel Dor and Cardassians continue to be described, even by 'fan lite' people, as (and I am only slightly paraphrasing) "extremely hittable". As in, "If she were real, I'd hit that".

I keep seeing a couple of people (and I do not intend to name names, partly cuz I can't remember 'em) keep saying "it's impossible that one species would find another attractive anyway" and yet, this thread, the Tali thread, and every Orion slave girl cosplayer we've ever seen would suggest otherwise.  I'm not trying to say a person is 'bad' for NOT finding the pretend people attractive. So it doesn't float everyone's boat.

But apparently it floats many many a boat, so it'd be awful nice to stop hearing how it's impossible that it possibly could.

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Garrus drunk would be unsettling. And the reason I don't think he turned to it when things when to hell was because he likes to get things done. Drinking doesn't get things done. *HCL stample of approval on proactive Garrus*