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[janeym27]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Space cat beetle bird dinosaur turtle cowboy cop.

I was reading avclub.com, my favorite source for nerdy hipster reviews of pop culture, and I read their review of Mass Effect 2 (the only A I've seen them give a game!). In the comments section somebody was talking about the hilarious conversation from the Thorian (sp?!) hitting on him/her, which made me laugh.

Then I read another conversation about how hackneyed it is that Bioware insists on shoving romances into every game they make, and obviously I disagree. To me, it's a very efficient and effective way of getting you emotionally involved in the characters and story, and it makes you feel closer to the character you are playing. I remember being blown away by how great it was that I could successfully pursue a romance in KOTOR in a way that didn't feel like it was something the story was forcing on me--it was something I chose to do, and that I could only pull off by being charming and considerate. It's so much more rewarding than games where it's inevitable for hero x to end up with love interest y. And even though they made it incredibly easy in ME2, with very little conversation involved, I still think that option makes the game more engaging than where there's no romance at all, just as I think the ability to build any semblance of friendships or alliances makes games more engaging.

Of course I'm preaching to the choir here, but nobody would have noticed my post there in an article that's over a month old.

Yeah. Some people get really worked up over 'being forced to romance', which isn't really the case. (although, I'm doing a 'faithful to Kaiden' run of ME2 atm, and have had to stop myself from talking to anyone, because I don't trust myself not to get sucked into a romance with Garrus/Thane. Which would lead to rejection, and ultimate sadness. lol). The slight issue seems to be that by not pursuing a romance, you miss out on dialogue and depth, so I can kind of see why this irks people (I would love it if there was a way to have close frienships without sex in this game. Totally different info/conversations from romance, obviously), but it still doesn't 'force it on you'.

It always makes me laugh when people complain that 'there is only really one romance worth doing for FemShep, where as Sheploo gets three', then you ask which one, and all the complainers have picked up on a different one, for totally different reasons. Ah, subjectivity - not everyone can cope!

Garrus: some people call him a Space Cowboy, some call him the ganster of love. Some people call him Maurice (but those people get sniped in the face!)

[Kotori Ky]

I actually see some of the bird aspects in Turians, but maybe that's because I had a cockatiel growing up. Their fringe always reminded me of them, only hardened. And their tongues, when you watch them talk, seem to be different compared to, say, a human or other alien species. A Turian tongue only really seems to move upwards, which would make sense if they used it to crush food against the tops of their mouths before swallowing it down into something similar to a craw, like a bird. (Since they don't appear to be able to chew with those teeth or jaw structure.)



But maybe I'm over-thinking it and have watched Garrus talk too much. Hehe.

[silentstephi]

@boots - Hooray for your survival of the Con! ^.^



@Garrus the kitty - I can see the feline look. I can also see the dragon look. And the bird one too.

But most of all, I just see the awesome.





Like so. Draconianartline did such a wonderful job with this picture. I just wish it was post scarring. /sighs like the inner krogan she is...

[IccaRa]

*drive-by Garrus love*

[Ray Joel Oh]

What is this neighborhood coming to?

[Sialater]

If you all remember, I promised to give a full, unbiased report on the Jacob Romance when I finally finished it. Poor Meghan Shepard, her price to end up with Garrus was putting up with this.



I try not to take parts of a romance separate from the whole. Considering only sections of dialogue ends up with out of context clues and inaccurate analysis.



I can now, without a doubt, say that Jacob's Romance, through no fault of the character, is terrible. FemShep is badly written and overacted during it. She just met the guy and is coming on to him like a drunken cheerleader at a high school prom. There is no reason to trust Jacob, at all, during the romance, but she's all over him and has to talk him into the relationship to begin with. I agree with FemShep being a sexually confident woman, but that was ridiculous.



Also, during "the birds and the bees" talk with Mordin, he cautions her about Cerberus bugging her body! I can never completely shake the idea that TIM put Jacob and Miranda on board the Normandy as some sort of sexual spy. Both eventually jump ship to your side, but even then, how could your really trust them?



I haven't romanced Thane yet, but in comparison to Garrus' romance and Kaidan's in ME1, Jacob's felt forced and overly sexual, as if there was no real feeling on Shep's end at all, that it's just a romp in the hay. He's the only LI to completely take off half his clothing, and is definitely overly developed. FemShep pounces on him, literally.



However, in ME1, the romance was gradual and the "payoff" wasn't forced. From the very first conversation with Jacob it seems to be about sex. There was at least a period of getting to know Kaidan before Ilos and sex was never really a topic of conversation. Unless you were teasing him about adolescent relationships on Jump Zero.



Garrus' romance, in stark contrast, built even slower. She were his mentor and friend in ME1. ME2, he tried to live up to her example -- for whatever reason you want to give him for doing that, unrequited love, frustrated over the abuse of Shep's memory, all of the above -- and it makes more sense for FemShep to be obvious in a sexual discussion with her pal than a stranger in a clandestine organization she can't trust.



The only way I can conceive of the Jacob romance making any kind of sense is if you're playing a Renegade or Renegon Cerberus sympathizer. Or your Shep just wants to get laid.

[AngryP1xel]

silentstephi wrote...

Like so. Draconianartline did such a wonderful job with this picture. I just wish it was post scarring. /sighs like the inner krogan she is...

Don't worry.  I think I'm part Krogan too.  I like scars too.  Except Zaeed's scars.  His are not so sexy.

[silentstephi]

IccaRa wrote...

*drive-by Garrus love*

<3

I know that look...

Because it's awesomely random. (that second image I got off Icca Hooray Shore Leave Friday!)

[IccaRa]

Aye, I think Jacob's romance appeals best to a certain type of Shepard. Unfortunately none of my Shepards seem to fit the bill (well, maybe one, I haven't played her yet.) Yeah I know that's somewhat redundant because each romance is designed to appeal to a certain 'type', but I think Jacob's stands out in that it seems to be a minority.

There was mention that Jacob seems to be the only male LI who is really interested in and looking forward to sexing up FemShep which makes me LOL a bit 'cause it's kind of true (Kaidan was reluctant with the whole fraternization thing, Garrus isn't wild about the idea for other perfectly logical reasons, and with Thane physical intimacy is never brought up in conversation). I think that's one thing the devs might have tried to tackle? Empowering FemShep's sensual side.

I suppose that's one thing that makes Jacob's romance stand out for better or worse. I can't say his is inherently better or worse than any other romance because all that depends on the Shepard and how you play, but (personally) I do prefer the maliens. YMMV.

Modifié par IccaRa, 05 avril 2010 - 02:54 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Aw, with Garrus it is a charming mix of interest and bewildered terror.

[Flammie]

Yeah, I hate Zaeed's scars, though Garrus's look hot. Though they also make me feel sorry for him. *Kelly moment*



Haven't looked into Jacob's romance, but that's a very good, constructive analysis, Sialater. Really manages to convince me that it's not a good romance.



Just seeing the awesome indeed.



I just really like how Garrus develops. And I like that Garrus is starting to become a little more resillient against Shepard's paragonning after the second conversation with him in ME1. Doesn't seem as if I'm scolding him and he's submitting. Was really thrown off ME1 initially after how different it is to ME2, but I'm really warming to it.



I like the inventory system in ME1, and I like the different statistics, too. But I also liked the armourn customisation in ME2... perhaps we can do armour customisation for all squads in ME3, even... editing the colours?



We get a lot of intimacy between Garrus and Shepard, especially during the final scene, which I quite like. Though, to be honest, perhaps it's just the fan-urge, but I'd like some passion in ME3.



...Y'know, with all these people replacing character models in ME2 and something, somebody should attempt to edit Jack's romance finale, making Jack FemShep and ManShep Garrus. I think it's probably the better out of the three ManShep finales. At least, it's better than the Miranda one. Just, y'know, passion.



...Actually, I remember someone made the interesting observation that Miranda invites Shepard to the Engine room, where three different rooms on the level above have windows that can look in.

[silentstephi]

Sialater wrote...
Also, during "the birds and the bees" talk with Mordin, he cautions her about Cerberus bugging her body! I can never completely shake the idea that TIM put Jacob and Miranda on board the Normandy as some sort of sexual spy. Both eventually jump ship to your side, but even then, how could your really trust them?

Really?  Damn... I thought I was being original with that idea.  Oh well.  *continues her bugging of ... let's not go there for now...*

Sialater wrote...
I haven't romanced Thane yet, ... *snip*

His is also a slow one, and you can miss it in some cases.  They (the devs) did a good job of building an interesting friendship with Shep and Thane (on my Thane-mance PT, I actually messed it up, because I didn't want to look obvious/desperate with the whole 'I Want You' line... but it doesn't sound like that when you say it... /boggle)

Sialater wrote...
The only way I can conceive of the Jacob romance making any kind of sense is if you're playing a Renegade or Renegon Cerberus sympathizer. Or your Shep just wants to get laid.

There are some Sheps who def fit in to the category of just wanting to get laid.  But yea, the Jacob-mance seems like it's all about the sex.  And it would fit for the Cerberus sympathizing Shep.
Like Icca said, each -mance just cateres to a different flavor.
I like the friends-turned-more flavor.  And I like the mysterious-badass-with-a-soft-side flavor.  Let's-talk-about-sex-baaby doesn't do it for me, mance wise.

Modifié par silentstephi, 05 avril 2010 - 03:02 .

[AngryP1xel]

I have never heard or seen anyone call the interspecies romances bestiality. Where are you finding people that call it that?

[silentstephi]

aynxalot wrote...

I do take some consolation that even those who aren't into the romance consider him their friend/brother. I can understand that- I never developed those kind of feelings for the Garrus character, so it was easy for me to jump on the romance board. But if I see one more "beastiality" comment, I swear to Bob.....*facepalm* Xenophilia, guys. Xenophilia.

Must be why I feel like Tali's my FemShep's little sister.  Sorta.  She had that vibe.

aynxalot wrote...
ETA: Looking at the above pics- who else loves that she not only starts this frank discussion with him to get his attention, but she actually puts herself between him and his calibrations? "No more calibrating for you until you calibrate me!"

Hahahaha, good catch.  It does seem like you're telling him, "'Ey, lay off the work for a second damn it, I wanna play."

[Ray Joel Oh]

Flammie wrote...
...Y'know, with all these people replacing character models in ME2 and something, somebody should attempt to edit Jack's romance finale, making Jack FemShep and ManShep Garrus. I think it's probably the better out of the three ManShep finales. At least, it's better than the Miranda one. Just, y'know, passion.

At this point you can't edit other squadmates' meshes, but you can edit Shepard's.  I just recently figured out how to get my Shepard to walk around with her top hanging down--I'm so proud of myself.  Maybe if I'm feeling ambitious I'll make a video of Garrus making out with Jack, ha.  I'll make a youtube account named "nodignityleft"

[Flammie]

Ah, I see, that's a shame. I guess the most somebody would be able to do, then, is Garrus and one of the female LIs, which I'm not sure will incite a particularly pleasant response.

I saw the beastiality comment once, on a youtube video. I don't think it's fair to say Garrus and turians are just animals, though, but it's strange that it doesn't irk me that much.

Yeah, the friends becoming more gives a lot more intimacy between the two, which I think provides better development of character and understanding between the two, perhaps giving a more fruitful relationship. I mean, passion's nice, wherever you find it *cough* but intimacy can bring along a whole new level.

Yeah, I like how Garrus is such a badass, but he can't be so sweet and adorable, too. Overly sweet or overly... overly badass, not so much.

Maybe Cerberus developed some STBs: Sexually Transmitted Bugs? Because who knows what interesting insights you can get.

Modifié par Flammie, 05 avril 2010 - 03:11 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

AngryP1xel wrote...

I have never heard or seen anyone call the interspecies romances bestiality. Where are you finding people that call it that?

I just read somebody say that in the "Bioware writers - Female Romance Options" thread.  I just laugh.

[IccaRa]

Flammie wrote...

Maybe Cerberus developed some STBs: Sexually Transmitted Bugs? Because who knows what interesting insights you can get.

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[danitiwa]

Youtube makes me happy I haven't downloaded Zaheed. He's such an Ahole. Not badass, ***hole.

Modifié par danitiwa, 05 avril 2010 - 03:11 .

[Sialater]

My husband watched me play the Jacob romance and said, "God, I can see why you liked Garrus' better."



This after teasing me for two day straight for liking aliens. *rolleyes* To which I countered, "You're the one who banged the blue chick."

[Ray Joel Oh]

Aw, Zaeed is a badass, AND an ***hole. He can be pretty funny.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 05 avril 2010 - 03:13 .

[Flammie]

I guess when you get something that looks quite similar to a human, it's difficult to consider it alien. Still, one thing I really like about Garrus is his non-human-ness. Yay for xenophilia.

Zaeed's alright. Ugly as hell, but alright.

I'd love to see a video where Garrus tries to make out with someone. Even if it is Jack.

Modifié par Flammie, 05 avril 2010 - 03:15 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

I just like him because he's a cool character. Would still go for him if he were human. But of course that would change a lot of his story.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 05 avril 2010 - 03:22 .