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[kglaser]

Actually, I didn't play ME2 immediately, either...even though I had an agreement with my friend at work to buy it the day it was released.
I can't for the life of me remember why...however, I know I was playing Oblivion, at the time.

eta:  350 pages--not bad, people.  ::fistbump::

Modifié par kglaser, 09 avril 2010 - 05:47 .

[Cerrydd]

kglaser wrote...

Actually, I didn't play ME2 immediately, either...even though I had an agreement with my friend at work to buy it the day it was released.
I can't for the life of me remember why...however, I know I was playing Oblivion, at the time.

The release of ME2 was torture for me. I reserved a copy at a game store, and expected it to come out on the 29th of January. That would be perfect, because I had tests on the 28th and 29th. However, on the 27th, I got a call that I could come and get my copy. I had my boyfriend hide ME2, because I really had to focus on the tests. TORTUUUUREEE.... having ME2 in your house and you're not allowed to play it.

I failed the tests anyway.

[Mrs Vakarian]

 You know, I've never really played multiple Shepards... I only played through ME1 once and ME2 twice because I was an idiot and somehow managed to delete my file, where as the only decision I changed was not letting Garrus shoot Sidonis... I don't know, I guess I'm weird in the fact that I consider this game like my own personal story... All of my decisions reflect who I am... I mean I don't think I've ever played a game that really had me questioning myself and my decisions....



But on a less serious note, I just played through Kasumi's mission and that comment about Garrus and how everyone thinks we should be together, I was like "AWWWWW.... :3" <3

Plus I must say that dress on my Shepard is pretty damn sexy... Garrus won't be able to keep his hands off =P

But what the hell was up with that Turian art??? I think they should just stick to kicking ass XD

[Minardii]

Haha. I was slow in finishing ME. I was actually going to to wait and purchase it when I had finished it, but thanks to some luck, mom found a copy of the CE edition and bought it for me while she was at work (I had given her the cash just in-case she managed to find a copy, but I wasn't trying too hard to get it).

Yay artbook!

EDIT: I've played through ME 2 about.. (1 adept, up to horizon as adept 2.0, 2 Infiltrators, 1 vanguard, with current PT being a vanguard), so 4 clears so far.. Each time i'm heavily paragon, but I take more and more rengade interrupts than the last playthrough, and split on my Legion's Loyalty decision.

I just don't like acting like a Jerk . It's quite fun trying out the classes though! I stepped up my difficulty each time (From Normal, adept 2.0 was vet, but jumped into hardcore on the Infiltrator, and then Hardcore+ for the second...WOW that was difficult at first). Staying on Hardcore for now, don't want to rip out my lungs with Insanity ;x.

Modifié par Minardii, 09 avril 2010 - 05:58 .

[Cerrydd]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

 You know, I've never really played multiple Shepards... I only played through ME1 once and ME2 twice because I was an idiot and somehow managed to delete my file, where as the only decision I changed was not letting Garrus shoot Sidonis... I don't know, I guess I'm weird in the fact that I consider this game like my own personal story... All of my decisions reflect who I am... I mean I don't think I've ever played a game that really had me questioning myself and my decisions....

But on a less serious note, I just played through Kasumi's mission and that comment about Garrus and how everyone thinks we should be together, I was like "AWWWWW.... :3" <3

Plus I must say that dress on my Shepard is pretty damn sexy... Garrus won't be able to keep his hands off =P

But what the hell was up with that Turian art??? I think they should just stick to kicking ass XD

I only play 2 Sheps, paragon femShep who's supposed to be me and a renegade maleShep to see the rest of the game. I agree that the game stimulates your thinking. A lot of "What would I do IRL?" and "What would be the 'right' decision?" thoughts pop up during the game. I don't choose paragon options because I want to be 100% paragon, but because those reactions are really my decisions.

I loved the dress too . There was a thread complaining about the dress, but I don't see the problem. I'm just happy I can finally see femShep wearing something very feminine. Besides, there are far too many turtlenecks in the game.

And the turian art... lol. I'd rather have a krogan statue in my house.

But she said turian art is rare outside Palaven. That reminded me of what Mordin said, that civilizations need art and music, yet we see/hear so few of them. So from that point of view, I was happy to see some turian art.

[Kim Shepard]

Ricky the Renegade, that's awesome. xD I have a lot of Shepards planned out too. Sometimes I forget what I have planned... I should make a list. I don't have any Shepards based on my decisions - they're all characters I created with their own past, personality, opinions, etc. My sentimental favorite Shepard is partly based on a movie character though (well, he likes to imitate said movie character).



I would probably buy any game that BioWare makes (if that new Star Wars game can work on my PC) because I've liked every one of their games that I've played so far. I really didn't have to wait that long between ME1 and ME2 though, so now I get to wait two years like everyone who bought the first game on release date. I bought ME2 the day it came out, played as much as I could, and read all the spoilers I could find.

[Mrs Vakarian]

I'm pretty sure I take this game way too seriously though... I literally put my heart and soul into the decisions and missions... Like when I thought Garrus died... My heart sank, and then I went into the equivalent of a Krogan blood rage and just blew everything to hell... There was seriously no tactics or thought process, other than I was going to get Garrus out of there and that those mercenaries would pay with their blood. And some of those decisions are a b*tch!! The two I've had the hardest time with is picking a side regarding the Krogan Genophage and Garrus's loyalty mission... This game makes you question yourself so much it's ridiculous... But a nice change from other games.

I still think Turians should stick to the art of killing and kicking ****

But it was cool seeing Turian art, regardless of whether or not I found it amazing... Still a form of expression

Modifié par Mrs Vakarian, 09 avril 2010 - 06:28 .

[Re_spawNZ7]

Yeah, I am happy I can play ME and then straight back into ME2 (again). ME3 wait is going to be long and tortuous. And there is always a niggling fear that the Dev team will change something crucial that will take away from it. But as long as they keep the character development strong and actually have a good relationship build with LI (Go Garrus!) then I will be a happy Shep.



The fact that Garrus didn't have much to say after the end of ME2 and reset back to 'blowing off steam' really annoyed me! C'mon Bioware, surely you could have afforded a couple more lines? Sheesh. I hope they read this lol

[Cerrydd]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

I'm pretty sure I take this game way too seriously though... I literally put my heart and soul into the decisions and missions... Like when I thought Garrus died... My heart sank, and then I went into the equivalent of a Krogan blood rage and just blew everything to hell... There was seriously no tactics or thought process, other than I was going to get Garrus out of there and that those mercenaries would pay with their blood. And some of those decisions are a b*tch!! The two I've had the hardest time with is picking a side regarding the Krogan Genophage and Garrus's loyalty mission... This game makes you question yourself so much it's ridiculous... But a nice change from other games.

I think pretty much everybody here was freaking out at the end of Garrus's recruitment mission. He was one of my favourites during ME1, so I was pulling my hair when he started gasping for air. "AAARGH, WHAT DID I DO WRONG?"

The genophage and the heretic's fate took me the longest to decide. Garrus's loyalty mission wasn't that hard for me.

[Cerrydd]

Rebe70 wrote...

The fact that Garrus didn't have much to say after the end of ME2 and reset back to 'blowing off steam' really annoyed me! C'mon Bioware, surely you could have afforded a couple more lines? Sheesh. I hope they read this lol

And also this. Apparently Tali and Jacob are the only ones with a post-romance scene comment. That's really sucky. I mean, it's nice to hear again that he wants to try it with you, but we already did it... a little sloppy by BW. I have no idea why they forgot/ignored that.

[Kim Shepard]

I was still worried that some squad members would die in the suicide mission even though I read the spoilers and knew that I did everything right. xD I do spend a lot of time thinking about the decisions my Shepards would make, even though it's not my own personal decisions. (And trying to complete my first playthrough of DAO:Awakening with a new Warden that I didn't make up a clear character for has lead to a lot of staring at the screen and trying to develop a more in-depth character as I go along.) BioWare really makes us care about the characters.

Legion's loyalty mission was the one that I took the longest to decide on my main Shepard. I have a very clear character in mind for her, and that choice really made me think... I can just imagine my Shepard shaking Legion and telling him to come up with a concensus. xD In the end, she chose to re-write them. The choice on Garrus' loyalty mission was the easiest one of all.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Cerrydd wrote...

Rebe70 wrote...

The fact that Garrus didn't have much to say after the end of ME2 and reset back to 'blowing off steam' really annoyed me! C'mon Bioware, surely you could have afforded a couple more lines? Sheesh. I hope they read this lol

And also this. Apparently Tali and Jacob are the only ones with a post-romance scene comment. That's really sucky. I mean, it's nice to hear again that he wants to try it with you, but we already did it... a little sloppy by BW. I have no idea why they forgot/ignored that.

The Garrus in my game asks if it can wait a minute, and that he hasn't forgotten what we talked about :/

But still, he needs to freaking stop with the calibrations and Bioware needs to get off their bum and add in more dialogue. But at least you can chill with him in your private quarters

[Mrs Vakarian]

I must be crazy or something... Everyone seems to think Garrus' loyalty mission was easy... It took me forever to decide... Like I was seriously completely and utterly divided... What did you all choose to do?

[Re_spawNZ7]

Maybe they didn't think Garrus would be a popular choice, so why bother? Well, we'll do our bit to show them he is in fact THE choice! I mean, really, how could you say no to him?



Went through the 'break up' scene out of curiousity (when he comes to Shep's quarters) and it was heartbreaking to see him leave all disappointed and hurt...bottle of wine in hand. Really showed how much Shep meant to him though - and the 'probably would've have torn a ligament anyway...' line = awesome!



But then I had do do the scene again without the breakup just so I didn't feel so bad ;o)

[jellobell]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

But on a less serious note, I just played through Kasumi's mission and that comment about Garrus and how everyone thinks we should be together, I was like "AWWWWW.... :3"

Plus I must say that dress on my Shepard is pretty damn sexy... Garrus won't be able to keep his hands off =P

But what the hell was up with that Turian art??? I think they should just stick to kicking ass XD

Anyone else think that Kasumi's comment was a stealth reference to Garrus' devoted fanbase? "Everyone" meaning "Everyone who campaigned for a Garrus romance in the first place". Or maybe it's just me.

I quite liked the dress as well, though it looked so different than what other women were wearing I started thinking my Shep was committing some kind of future!fashion faux pas. It wasn't helped by the fact that she seemed incapable of walking gracefully, and persisted in running around the room, high heels and all. Even when I tried slowing her down she still took big mannish steps, and stuck out like a sore thumb.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Rebe70 wrote...

Maybe they didn't think Garrus would be a popular choice, so why bother? Well, we'll do our bit to show them he is in fact THE choice! I mean, really, how could you say no to him?

Went through the 'break up' scene out of curiousity (when he comes to Shep's quarters) and it was heartbreaking to see him leave all disappointed and hurt...bottle of wine in hand. Really showed how much Shep meant to him though - and the 'probably would've have torn a ligament anyway...' line = awesome!

But then I had do do the scene again without the breakup just so I didn't feel so bad ;o)

What a brave or demented soul you are!!! =P

I'd never be able to reject Garrus... He's just too darn loveable... Furthermore, I didn't even know you could reject Garrus cause it never crossed my mind, and I had freaking lighting fast reflexes on the Paragon interrupt XD But I saw some pictures of it and was completely heart broken... I'm not even going to bother watching a video of it... Ever...

And I must admit the ligament line is pretty awesome... But I figure a torn heart is worse than a torn ligament.

[Cerrydd]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

I must be crazy or something... Everyone seems to think Garrus' loyalty mission was easy... It took me forever to decide... Like I was seriously completely and utterly divided... What did you all choose to do?

Haha, you're not crazy. Every mission affects everybody in a different way.

I'll copypaste my thoughts on Sidonis I posted in the Serious Debate Group.

About Sidonis: my mainShep (=me) would never let Garrus kill him. He almost convinced me this was the right thing to do for him when we we're in the shuttle, but I was happy I got the chance to hear Sidonis out.

Garrus only knows his side of the story: Sidonis betrayed his team, everyone died, Garrus wants Sidonis dead for this. But when you talk to Sidonis, it's clear Sidonis is not an evil person. He didn't do this because he wanted everyone dead. It's not like he approached the mercs to get rid of Garrus and the rest of his team. Of course he was aware that bad things would happen when he gave the mercs the information, but he was scared, he didn't have the balls to resist the threats. Don't forget Sidonis probably has the same principles as Garrus: he joined Garrus' team to fight injustice, they wanted to get rid of the mercs, he didn't join because he wanted to screw Garrus.

His action affects him ina great way. Sidonis feels guilty, ashamed, depressed. His role in the death of 10 men is haunting him. Hearing the other side of the story shows Garrus the world is not as black and white he wants it to be. At first, it's "Sidonis did this and he has to die". When Sidonis tells his story, however, it shows he didn't do this with bad intentions. It was either betrayal, or die. He simply didn't have the balls to sacrifice himself for this. And frankly, I think many would have chosen the same if their own life depended on it.

Remember the message you receive from Nalah Butler? She tells you: "I know Garrus blames himself; he took every shot fired at his squad as a failure on his part, and it was clear when he sent me the message about my husband that he thinks it was his fault." On the Normandy he says, "Everyone except me is dead because of him... and because I didn't see it coming." Garrus feels guilty and blames himself for getting his squad killed and that's what's bothering him. The way he copes with this is putting all blame on Sidonis and thinking he won't feel the guilt anymore when he takes out the blame (=Sidonis). However, killing Sidonis does not bring back the 10 dead men, nor does it take away the feelings of guilt IMO, it only adds another pointless kill. The fact that Garrus feels responsible for letting this happen to his squad is crucial, because that is the core of his revenge. Sidonis is the one to blame, but killing him does not take on the core of Garrus' feelings.

By letting Sidonis live, Garrus will have to learn to give his 'guilty' feelings a place, because he's not the one to blame. It's difficult, but life was never meant to be easy. It's like a lesson about the shades of grey in life. Sidonis knows he's guilty and receives a second chance to make up for what he's done. Hearing Garrus say he can go will help him get on with his life and do something useful again.

My renegadeShep (= totally not me) doesn't give a sh!t about all this and lets Garrus take the shot.

/wall of text. I hope it makes any sense, it would be so much easier if I could write it in my own language

Mind you, I wrote this after doing the loyalty mission. This wasn't everything I was thinking at the time, otherwise it would've taken me a lot longer to decide .

Modifié par Cerrydd, 09 avril 2010 - 06:52 .

[Kim Shepard]

The difficulty of the choice in Garrus' loyalty mission just depends on the player or their Shepard. My Shepards happen to be a very unforgiving bunch who don't like traitors, so the choice to let Garrus kill Sidonis was easy. If they were in Garrus' situation, they would want their revenge too. It's actually one of the few things they all agree about (choosing Renegade options with Garrus, killing Jacob's father in some way, making sure Wrex lives... and there might be more that I'm not remembering right now).

[jellobell]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

I must be crazy or something... Everyone seems to think Garrus' loyalty mission was easy... It took me forever to decide... Like I was seriously completely and utterly divided... What did you all choose to do?

I always choose to talk Garrus down. The way I see it, it's not about saving Sidonis, but about saving Garrus from becoming someone like Saren, to whom the ends justify the means. I was actually disturbed at how violent Garrus acted leading up to the final confrontation with Sidonis (threatening the volus, trying to shoot Harkin), and dismayed at how he'd seemed to have forgotten everything my Shepard had taught him in ME1 during the Dr Saleon quest. Looking at it this way I felt that by preventing him fron killing Sidonis Shepard was bringing him back to his old self.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Yeah, I'm kicking myself. It is my own moral compass that always seems to draw me to paragon but I did let Garrus shoot Sadonis. Since I hadn't seen preME2 Garrus at that stage, I didn't really get how much things had impacted on him.

Now, in hindsight, I would choose him to be merciful and walk away. It is the only 'choice' I've made that I really regret in ME2. Oh well, second playthrough here I come...

[Mrs Vakarian]

Yeah... My whole thing was in the first game I was way too eager to try and please Garrus, thus I let him kill that doctor guy on the space ship... Then it turns out in ME2 he loses his whole team, and blames everything on himself... And losing all your teammates is not something to be taken lightly. Had someone killed Garrus I'd most likely find them and kill them... Plus there's this whole mind frame of being a military brat, where it's an eye for an eye. Plus when Garrus called me out for telling him to find another option... I kind of crawled in a corner and cried for a bit XD But ultimately, I figured that if I truly cared and loved him, I wouldn't give in too him like a love struck twit, but would make him do the right thing. Thus I wanted Garrus to be above the level of Sidonis and spare his life and move on. Plus I didn't want Garrus getting in the habit of being ruled by his anger, cause that would only serve to hurt him in the long run... Plus it felt good when Garrus realized shooting him wasn't the best option. Overall, I'm happy with my decision, but it took forever to decide. But I think I made the right choice

[Re_spawNZ7]

I guess that is why I think Garrus is an awesome character - noble, kind hearted and loyal but still enough of the 'bad boy' to give him a real edge. And that voice....ahem...I digress. But he is conflicted and that is part of the appeal, for me anyway.

[Mrs Vakarian]

I like that he's real... He's not perfect, but he's perfect enough for me



But OMG his voice is more beautiful than a chorus of angels. It's just so soothing and harmonious.

[jellobell]

Rebe70 wrote...

I guess that is why I think Garrus is an awesome character - noble, kind hearted and loyal but still enough of the 'bad boy' to give him a real edge. And that voice....ahem...I digress. But he is conflicted and that is part of the appeal, for me anyway.

I agree with you there, what first struck me about ME2 Garrus was his incredible loyalty to Shepard. At that point I was kind of leery about the other squadmates (Miranda: the cerberus flunky, Jack: the psycho, Grunt: the krogan who wasn't Wrex) and it was really comforting to have Garrus along, especially so since he felt the same way. The romance with him wasn't what I had expected, but I really liked it because it was all about trust and mutual understanding, something that had suddenly become very important in ME2.

tl;dr: Garrus is awesome etc etc.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Having just really started ME1, I find Garrus is quite naughty (in a nice way) and softer. Perhaps this changes through ME1 (don't tell me) but it's making me appreciate just how 'broken' he was as Archangel. When he first sees Shep - so mentally and physically worn out, he doesn't even seem overly enthused to see she is alive. Great to see how much he improves with a bit of TLC in ME2 though!



Is it okay for me to say that Garrus is just a little bit awesome?



Managed to get through ME2 with a 'no one gets left behind' policy that worked. But if I had managed to do something stupid that killed Garrus I would have probably thrown my computer...to test the 'does it bounce' theory and then curled up in the fetal position...and sobbed.



And then gone back to a previous save lol