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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

no i was replying to Ray's post. lol

[kglaser]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

no i was replying to Ray's post. lol

But...but...you pointed at me...
You don't LIKE me!!  *waaah*

Still, Garrus makes it all better.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

little did we know, garrus has a hidden sniper behind his fringe, so he could scope and drop people even he can't see.

[Ray Joel Oh]

It'd be nice if there is an opportunity for him to solve a problem his way in the third game, without your intervention. There is a lot of emphasis on which way you lead him. That could make for a nice payoff.

[Xsause]

Or maybe in ME3 Renegade Garrus will be the one being tracked down to face justice...I seriously don't know.

But I do think they'll stick a "Garrus finds a solution for a conflict without your help" thing in it.  That would definitely help to show you how far Garrus has come along, whether it be as a Renegade or a Paragon.

Modifié par Xsause, 10 avril 2010 - 01:03 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

At least, for Paragon/Paragade Shepards. Renegades...well, congratulations; you just let a good friend and ally betray himself and commit cold-blooded murder in the very heart of the Citadel.

I was with you until that last bit.
No.  You gave a friend closure.   Nothing about killing Sidonus is 'cold blooded'.  Renegade Sheps expect the same damn treatment from him when the role is reversed.

Killing an unarmed civilian in a public place from across the room is pretty cold.  Rogue snipers aren't admirable.  And for somebody who once cared about safety on the Citadel, that's a pretty terrifying crime.

Yeah, this. I was pretty shocked by the fact that he was willing to assassinate an unarmed man in the middle of somewhere he used to protect, and that's partly why I always talk him down.

[janeym27]

w00t! Broke 9000! XD

(I'd love it if Garrus got pissed off for inconsistancy. I forgot the first time I played ME2 that my imported character had let him kill Saleon, so when I paragoned him into letting Sidnus go, he was a bit surprised and then I felt bad that I was being hypocritical. lol)

I think the whole kill/not kill thing comes down to the way you are playing your own Shepard. Or how much of a Deathwidh fan you are. lol (sorry - number 3 is on TV). I agre that there is a difference between armed/unarmed killing, but I also think that the Sidonus thing isn't as simple as murder: from where Garrus is, it's justice. His experience of C-Sec is a revolving door system, and since everyone bar him who knew about it is dead (and Archangel is presumed dead), there is no reason for him to expect Sidonus to be taken to justice any other way. I also think that on a personal level, it's actually more punishing to let Sidonus live with his guilt, but Garrus doesn't view the world quite that way, so this way they both get closure. Having said that, I have several games on the go, so whatever happens, I'm covered in ME3. lol But this is going in circles a bit, so let's call SUBJECTIVITY WIN! and get back to some Garrus lovin'. XD


EDIT: I didn't mean that lovin' thing literally...

Also

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It'd be nice if there is an
opportunity for him to solve a problem his way in the third game,
without your intervention. There is a lot of emphasis on which way you
lead him. That could make for a nice payoff.

This.

Modifié par janeym27, 10 avril 2010 - 01:04 .

[kglaser]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It'd be nice if there is an opportunity for him to solve a problem his way in the third game, without your intervention. There is a lot of emphasis on which way you lead him. That could make for a nice payoff.

This, BW.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Xsause wrote...

Or maybe in ME3 Renegade Garrus will be the one being tracked down to face justice...I seriously don't know.

But I do think they'll stick a "Garrus finds a solution for a conflict without your help" thing in it.  That would definitely help to show you how far Garrus has come along, whether it be as a Renegade or a Paragon.

I do hope so.  Or else they'll just have an end tag of "Hey Shepard, I'm a mob boss now!" Or "Hey Shepard, I'm a mayor now!"  And then I'll frown.

[kglaser]

OK, this might be stretching too much...ok, it is. But it's been shown that people who receive traumatic brain injuries sometimes end up with radical personality changes thereafter. Missile to head = possible personality change between games?

Eh, like I said, just playing around with ideas here. I find it interesting.

[Timerider42]

From ME Paint Adventures



*Brofist*

[Kim Shepard]

Xsause wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...


Shepard: ...I support Project Lazarus for Saren in ME3! >.>; *begs the Illusive Man* Nihlus would be cool too. I miss them both. I support an all-turian squad plus Shepard in ME3!

I just want Etarn Tiron on my team. He'd kill the Reapers with epic sales pitches!

The turian who wants to name his firstborn after Shepard? I liked him. The major downside of killing the Council is that I heard he doesn't like Shepard if that happens... Well, and the fact that Shepard gets no turian airquotes.

@kglaser: Right, that's what Wrex said! xD "Guess they had it coming." I don't remember if Shepard shot any or not... maybe on my first playthrough, when I didn't know it was possible.

Saren's lines are the best. He's definitely one of my favorite characters - he used to be number two, but now he might be tied with Garrus for number one.

The Sidonis debate seems to come up a lot. Anyway, I already said that my Shepards are the type to go for revenge kills, and some of them have personal reasons to hate traitors, or memories of their own teammates being killed (Sole Sorvivors). I think Evil Shepard has a really good point though - if Shepard hadn't reached Garrus soon enough, he might have been killed because Sidonis left him facing off against three merc gangs without a team.

Sure, Evil Shepard doesn't personally care about Garrus' teammates, he would betray people if he decided it was necessary, and he only cares about Garrus as a loyal, useful member of his team at a time when loyalty is more important than ever, but if Sidonis' actions led to Garrus' death, Evil Shepard would have tracked him down and killed him (not like Garrus did though, probably more like when Garrus beat up Harkin, and then he'd kill him). Nothing against the Paragon Shepards - every Shepard has their own opinions and values, but I wonder if they would be so quick to forgive if it was their friend/love interest who was killed.

[Ray Joel Oh]

kglaser wrote...

OK, this might be stretching too much...ok, it is. But it's been shown that people who receive traumatic brain injuries sometimes end up with radical personality changes thereafter. Missile to head = possible personality change between games?
Eh, like I said, just playing around with ideas here. I find it interesting.

Hahaha, the ol' cartoon trick.  Just hit him on the head again and he'll return to normal.

Actually my dad had some serious brain trauma a few years back.  It definitely made him more mellow, though with some people it goes the other way.

[Xsause]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

"Hey Shepard, I'm a mayor now!"

Oh, now I'm imagining Garrus with a top hat and a mustache, and I can't get it out of my mind.

Modifié par Xsause, 10 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Kim Shepard wrote...
Nothing against the Paragon Shepards - every Shepard has their own opinions and values, but I wonder if they would be so quick to forgive if it was their friend/love interest who was killed.

I wouldn't be quick to forgive, and I wouldn't expect Garrus to be either.  But I would hope somebody would pull me back from doing something terrible in my grief.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Xsause wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

"Hey Shepard, I'm a mayor now!"

Oh, now I'm imagining Garrus with a top hat and a mustache, and I can't get it out of my mind.

As the mayor of Citadel cityyyy

[Xsause]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

"Hey Shepard, I'm a mayor now!"

Oh, now I'm imagining Garrus with a top hat and a mustache, and I can't get it out of my mind.

As the mayor of Citadel cityyyy

COUNCIL: Oh, mayor Vakarian! We couldn't run this space station without you, your top hat, and your super-sexy twirly mustache!

GARRUS: Sure you could. Not as stylishly, of course.

[kglaser]

Xsause wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

"Hey Shepard, I'm a mayor now!"

Oh, now I'm imagining Garrus with a top hat and a mustache, and I can't get it out of my mind.

GAHH...I can never find these pics when I need them!  Where is the one of Zaeed dressed as a pirate and Shepard as Monopoly Guy

[Ray Joel Oh]

Sha pow

[kglaser]

Ray, you've done it again

[Xsause]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Sha pow

Cool, that parrot looks exactly like mine! Or at least similar.

Parrots are cool.

And so is Gentleman Shepard.

Modifié par Xsause, 10 avril 2010 - 01:25 .

[kglaser]

Shepard = Mr. Peanut

[Kim Shepard]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
Nothing against the Paragon Shepards - every Shepard has their own opinions and values, but I wonder if they would be so quick to forgive if it was their friend/love interest who was killed.

I wouldn't be quick to forgive, and I wouldn't expect Garrus to be either.  But I would hope somebody would pull me back from doing something terrible in my grief.

I guess our Shepards are just different, but that's what makes Mass Effect so great, there are many different ways to play the game.

I could see my Shepards getting really angry with anyone who tried to stop them (and in Evil Shepard's case, he would see that as a betrayal). A Conrad-style situation would work really well with that - talk it out, punch/kick them, or shoot them. I've seen a lot of talk on the forums about a betrayal in ME3.