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[kglaser]

THIS THREAD NEEDS MOAR GARRUS.

[janeym27]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...
Nothing against the Paragon Shepards - every Shepard has their own opinions and values, but I wonder if they would be so quick to forgive if it was their friend/love interest who was killed.

I wouldn't be quick to forgive, and I wouldn't expect Garrus to be either.  But I would hope somebody would pull me back from doing something terrible in my grief.

I guess our Shepards are just different, but that's what makes Mass Effect so great, there are many different ways to play the game.

I could see my Shepards getting really angry with anyone who tried to stop them (and in Evil Shepard's case, he would see that as a betrayal). A Conrad-style situation would work really well with that - talk it out, punch/kick them, or shoot them. I've seen a lot of talk on the forums about a betrayal in ME3.

Yeah. Betrayal (especially in a mentor/parent relation ship) seems to be a favourite with Bioware. Not that Shepard doesn't get screwed over enough as it is...lol

The interesting thing about the Sidonus choice is that it seems to come down, not just to how we are playing our Shepards, but how we precieve Garrus as a character. Personally, I would never want my friends to let me kill anyone, but I'm not Garrus, and I think he lives by a different code. (not wanting to open this debate again, you understand, Just for illustration) But do you think the choice would be the same if it was someone like Zaeed? Like, say he catches up with Vito, do you let him kill him?

I know there is info about this and I should know, but it's crazy late here and I figure you guys will be faster (sorry) but what shade of blue would you say Turian blood is? (it's for a fic, I'm not crazy,,, lol)

[janeym27]

kglaser wrote...

THIS THREAD NEEDS MOAR GARRUS.

YES!

[kglaser]

MORE I say



http://meta.filesmel...garrus_1920.jpg







Sorry...tried to edit my earlier post, but board hates me.

[janeym27]

kglaser wrote...

MORE I say

http://meta.filesmel...garrus_1920.jpg



Sorry...tried to edit my earlier post, but board hates me.

No we don't!

I make no apology for quoting the pic either, btw. We havn't filled up on pretty visuals for a while.

[Nyx]

janeym27 wrote...

I think the whole kill/not kill thing comes down to the way you are playing your own Shepard. Or how much of a Deathwidh fan you are. lol (sorry - number 3 is on TV). I agre that there is a difference between armed/unarmed killing, but I also think that the Sidonus thing isn't as simple as murder: from where Garrus is, it's justice.

I'm all for justice, but I think his brand of "justice" shown in ME2 ended up being much more than that. For instance, compare Samara's attitude towards compensation to Garrus'. If she is forced to kill someone, it is stricty guided by the code she has sworn herself to. Whether or not she indvidiually disagrees with the rules does not affect her duty, (except for extraordinary cases like her friendship with Renegade Shepard).

However, when talking to Garrus about Sidonis, it is clear that this situation becomes personal: he is willing to allow himself sink to the moral level of his enemies in order to execute revenge. (I.e: Paragon Shep has noted the change in Garrus' behavior multiple times, and has to stop him from being too brutal with Harkin.) Justice is often a reasonable and noble concept in theory, but he doesn't need to cut corners and play dirty to make it happen. It's like Purgatory: at one point, the guards become just as cruel and ruthless as the criminal themselves, or maybe even more so. Where does one draw the line between justice and outright hatred? 

[kglaser]

[quote]janeym27 wrote...


Sorry...tried to edit my earlier post, but board hates me.[/quote]
I make no apology for quoting the pic either, btw. We havn't filled up on pretty visuals for a while.

[/quote]

You know, the more I look at this pic, the more I admire it.

Naow I have a few random questions.

1. Where is Flammie?  I miss him   ("'Sleep'?  We have dismissed this claim.")
2. Has Garrus's visor thingie changed significantly between games?  Did it used to scroll information across it like that and I just missed it?
3. What is the capital of North Dakota?

That is all.

Modifié par kglaser, 10 avril 2010 - 02:09 .

[Kotori Ky]

Hmmmm... Garrus art.



The difference in 'Do you let Garrus take the shot' and 'Do you let Zaeed take the shot' is that... Zaeed is not your buddy... not like Garrus is. Also, Zaeed is older, set in his ways, and not looking to you(or has looked to you in the past) for any kind of guidance, like Garrus has. It took me beating on his arse twice to get him to see my way in his loyalty mission, after all. XD Lord, I enjoy that. I paragon that every time I do it, even with my Paragade Shep. The punch to the face is just... NECESSARY. (And while Zaeed's face is just fuggly, I find myself admitting he's got a better build body to me than Jacob The Priiiize Taylor. JT has like... no hips or butt at all. Zaeed at least seems to. Wait, was I just looking at Zaeed's butt? D: I'm going to go watch Garrus Calibrate for awhile to wash my eyes out.)



What I love about these games is just how much of ourselves, our views and our morality, the games bring in. Most other RPGs, even choice based ones, haven't struck me and made me squirm and actually agonize over things like the ME games. I wanted to TRY to play a Renegade but I honestly could NOT do it. My distrustful angry and scarred Colonist/Sole Survivor couldn't manage to be THAT much of an ****. Except when she felt personally betrayed. Then she let loose. (Kaidan and TIM both felt her wrath. Heh.) But even then I wouldn't let Garrus take the shot. She didn't let him kill the Dr. in ME1, even when she turned around and gunned the scientist down instead of Toombs. It's utterly wonderful that we can craft and create these personalities for our Shepards and then filter those choices down onto the squadmates, too.



I'm going to spaz over the BW writers now. And watch Garrus' tush while I run around in Hardmode like a nut. Oh, and get a few stiff drinks. (Yeah having a day off tomorrow!)

[kglaser]

Check out this:







Haha!

And dat supportive waist.... o_O

[Kim Shepard]

janeym27 wrote...

Yeah. Betrayal (especially in a mentor/parent relation ship) seems to be a favourite with Bioware. Not that Shepard doesn't get screwed over enough as it is...lol

The interesting thing about the Sidonus choice is that it seems to come down, not just to how we are playing our Shepards, but how we precieve Garrus as a character. Personally, I would never want my friends to let me kill anyone, but I'm not Garrus, and I think he lives by a different code. (not wanting to open this debate again, you understand, Just for illustration) But do you think the choice would be the same if it was someone like Zaeed? Like, say he catches up with Vito, do you let him kill him?

I know there is info about this and I should know, but it's crazy late here and I figure you guys will be faster (sorry) but what shade of blue would you say Turian blood is? (it's for a fic, I'm not crazy,,, lol)

I think a betrayal situation with different options for the way Shepard would respond would be interesting, but only if it makes sense for the characters and the plot. I wouldn't want to see a betrayal just for the sake of having a betrayal in the game. It could work if there is a choice between two homeworlds, or the Council and Cerberus, etc. (I've seen this idea around the forums a lot too), and certain characters just wouldn't follow Shepard after making those decisions (Tali would probably object if Shepard lets her fleet get destroyed, for example). There should also be several different ways to respond if this happens, whether Shepard should succeed or fail (or succeed by killing them).

I've never thought of it that way, but it does make sense... I don't have Zaeed in my game, but I know my Shepards would be split over that decision. Some of them would be too much against killing civilians, a few wouldn't care about the civilians, and others (including my main Shepard) would be conflicted about it but still end up going after Vito. I guess most of their decision-making process is made by their own opinions and values, but they do consider what the other character is feeling. The choice at Tali's trial had more to do with what was best for her though, at least with my Shepards (who are less likely to have an opinion about politics and family honor than vengeance, it seems).

@Nyx.Aeterna: As for where my Shepards draw the line between justice and outright hatred, they all have too many different lines to go through all of them without creating a giant wall of text. xD But I will say that where they draw that line depends on each different situation (like the way they all let Garrus shoot Sidonis, but some of them would not let Zaeed kill innocent people).

[janeym27]

@Kglaser
Isn't Flammie still at space camp?

The Capital of North Dakota is Bismark.

I have no clue as to the visor thing. Maybe fashion is a-changing and Garrus likes to keep ahead of the trend. He does pride himself on doing things 'stylishly', you know.

Edit: Also, with the Zaeed thing, I wasn't so much specualting on the choice you are actually given on that mish (to chase Vito or to kill the civillians), but more the 'If Zaeed was faced with Vito, would you let him pull the trigger or try to talk him down?' Like, does the Sidonus choice present such a dilemma for us because it's Garrus, or would we expect another character to be treated the same way.

Modifié par janeym27, 10 avril 2010 - 02:29 .

[Nyx]

Kim Shepard wrote...

@Nyx.Aeterna: As for where my Shepards draw the line between justice and outright hatred, they all have too many different lines to go through all of them without creating a giant wall of text. xD But I will say that where they draw that line depends on each different situation (like the way they all let Garrus shoot Sidonis, but some of them would not let Zaeed kill innocent people).

On an individual basis, it's easier to have different opinions as to what constitutes fairness (like having the various Shepards defending their actions), though on a larger scale, there is a more distinctive category of "paragon" vs. "renegade" if a person considers all the actions of sentinent beings as a whole.

For my one renegade Shep, she'd agree with your last statement. She's not particularly bothered with Garrus' treatment of one coward, because Sidonis should have known what was coming to him when he decided to betray the team. In her opinion, it is fair: an eye for an eye, even if it means being ruthless, but she thinks Zaeed is asking for too much in his loyalty mission. Paragon punch for the win. 

[janeym27]

To go completly off-topic for a bit;

RANDOM GARRUS DANCE!

Edit. Hmm... link no work?

Edit, edit: Fixed.

Modifié par janeym27, 10 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[jellobell]

janeym27 wrote...

I know there is info about this and I should know, but it's crazy late here and I figure you guys will be faster (sorry) but what shade of blue would you say Turian blood is? (it's for a fic, I'm not crazy,,, lol)

I'd say it's Cobalt Blue. Google image it and it looks to be the right shade.

[Kotori Ky]

janeym27 wrote...

To go completly off-topic for a bit;

RANDOM GARRUS DANCE!

Edit. Hmm... link no work?

Edit, edit: Fixed.

*Spits her drink on her monitor, curses, gets washcloth*

You win the internetz today. Hahahahahah. Boogie down, Garrus! Boogie down.

Just did Samara's Loyalty Mission in the LBD and wanted to smack Shep up the side of the head when she sat in Morinth's appartment and put her ankle on her knee. Flasher!Shep is bad. Beating up three Turian in heels is gooooooooood.<3

[WarlordFil]

I tend to play relatively Paragon-y, but I cannot resist the automatic urge to feed Sidonis a bullet sandwich.



This guy *betrayed my best friend*. He did a gutless, cowardly, spineless thing to cover his own hind end, INSTEAD of asking his team for help, INSTEAD of putting a bullet through his own skull.



And Omega has no justice system, so what he did isn't even a crime under any legal system. The only legal system on Omega *is* vigilante justice so I figure Sidonis is just getting a trial under the Omega court system



Garrus asks for my help, I say sure. At that point, I'm committed. I either trust Garrus enough to know what he's doing, or I don't, in which case I shouldn't have agreed to doing the loyalty mission at all. As far as I'm concerned, if Garrus says Sidonis has to go, then he has to go.



...then I have an "evil shep" who of course pulls the Paragon card on this mission *rolls eyes*



As to Garrus' mental state...by the time you run into him on Omega I think he's a prime Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder candidate. You know how many real life snipers end up with that? ...pretty well all of them.



There is a lot of darkness in our Mr. Vakarian. And yes, I think Shep plays a major role in either combatting or encouraging it throughout both games.

[kglaser]

WarlordFil wrote...
feed Sidonis a bullet sandwich.

This amuses me. 

[Kim Shepard]

@janeym27: Oh, I understand now. xD Well, in that case... they'd all let him do it.

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

On an individual basis, it's easier to have different opinions as to what constitutes fairness (like having the various Shepards defending their actions), though on a larger scale, there is a more distinctive category of "paragon" vs. "renegade" if a person considers all the actions of sentinent beings as a whole.

For my one renegade Shep, she'd agree with your last statement. She's not particularly bothered with Garrus' treatment of one coward, because Sidonis should have known what was coming to him when he decided to betray the team. In her opinion, it is fair: an eye for an eye, even if it means being ruthless, but she thinks Zaeed is asking for too much in his loyalty mission. Paragon punch for the win. 

Some of my Shepards could be called Paragon or Renegade even though they make a few choicesto contradict that, but I think most of them are "Paragade" or "Renegon". My main Shepard has a higher Paragon score than Renegade, but her Renegade score is high enough that she really can't be called Paragon anymore.

I'm totally missing out on the DLC... no Kasumi romance comments and no Zaeed Paragon punch. xD

@WarlordFil: Most of my Shepards have this line of thinking. But your Evil Shep decided to go Paragon? ...Did he/she want Sidonis to live in fear?

[Reptilian Rob]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Sha pow

What the hell is this malarkey!?

[kglaser]

Delightful Photoshop malarkey, good sir.

[janeym27]

Good lord. All this Garrus has made me totally miss the fact that it is noe 4.38am. I must abed.

It is simulataniously both far too late and early for this.

Night all. Garrus FTW! 

[kglaser]

night janey

[Kriselia]

Randomly piping in here with some speculation about female turians. A mite off topic, but trying to draw a self-portrait in the middle of the night tends to lead me to this kind of stuff.

So I had this whole complex theory going about based on all kinds of birds of prey and dinosaurs and stuff where I was playing with the idea that female turians were generally larger than the males. I was working out all kinds of wonderful details on it, when suddenly I just heard Garrus in my head going "I had reach, she had flexibility."
So great, my new pet theory got scrapped by his, um, innuendo. But then I started wondering again.

Turian males are generally described as more slender than humans, and it's somewhat likely that a turian female would be somewhat smaller than a male.
But would she be more slender also? I'm imagining the defining difference in females as having more fat, wider hips and waist (but definitely no breasts). Also, the huge neckfrill would probably be a male characteristic, possibly something to impress the ladies with.

Now the part Garrus' comment made me think of was the structure of the exoskeleton. Going by what little material we have, the males would seem to have these large, mostly bony plates that are layered and segmented on parts that need bendiness. But the shoulders would seem pretty stiff anyway; the "collar" is right there and the segments would have to be pretty complex to allow much movement.
So what if the females have the same amount of coverage on their plates (all kinds of fetuses/eggs/etc would need quite a bit of protection from radiation while they develop) but they're just less bulky. Having them composed more from cartilage and thick skin rather than a whole lot of bone would allow the females more movement and flexibility. And going by their necks it seems thick skin is adequate for radiation-protection also, so maybe the plates serve doubly as giving a little bit of protection in claw-to-claw scuffles.

Also, I thought of his "supportive waist" comment. Does that mean it's a good thing for a waist to look... supportive, or does it mean Shep's waist is chunky by turian standards and he's trying to be polite?

[kglaser]

Kriselia wrote...
or does it mean Shep's waist is chunky by turian standards and he's trying to be polite?

You know?  I never, ever thought of this before, but it would totally fit in with Garrus's adorkable romance persona

And as for turian females (I've said it before, but I'd really, really, *really* like to see them, I imagined them as similar to males, but slimmer basically everywhere.  IDK YMMV.

[kglaser]

In the "ask Harbinger" thread, I asked if I'd find true love.

Here was the response from the ever-wise Harbinger:



TURIAN, YOU ARE CONSIDERED TOO PRIMITIVE

RECOMMEND CONTINUING MANUAL CALIBRATIONS



LOLZ