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Ha, true dat janey! XD

Mordin: Suggest avoid usage of metaphors.

edited so I don't double-post:  Has anyone made a list of all the things Garrus says during battles?

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Collider wrote...

Briallen wrote...
On a Garrus-related note, has anyone ever come across people who say they like the Garrus romance because it doesn't have any sweeping declarations of love or affection, and thus they think it doesn't have any potential for a long-term relationship?


I saw this somewhere in the thread. Different strokes.

That line of thinking honestly baffles me. For one, I don't understand the mindset of entering into a relationship -- particularly one with a close friend -- that you have no intention of even trying to make work long-term.

Friends with benefits. It happens sometimes.

And two, I actually can't help but feel kind of sorry for those people if they think that sparkly hearts-and-flowers romantic feelings are a better foundation for a long-term relationship than deep mutual trust and respect.

It's not as if those are mutually exclusive.

Tingly feelings fade over time. Trust and respect stand a much better chance of enduring.

Indeed.


I'm mostly with Collider on this one. There's no doubt that trust and mutual respect are critical to a lasting relationship (or any kind for that matter), but chemistry & romance can be very imporant to certain people when choosing a romantic partner, especially since when relies on attraction. 

(On a side related-topic,) part of the reason why I'm all for Garrus and Shepard is because the writers managed to incorporate excellent chemistry into their interactions. The banter doesn't sound forced, and the manner in which those two characters express their admiration for each other sounds rather entertaining, yet at the same time, heart-warming. It almost felt like Garrus & Shep were kindred-spirits -- for lack of a better term -- of different worlds. IMO, they had something going on that couldn't be accurately defined by the terminology "friendship" or "romance" alone.

Furthermore, I like to think "trust and respect" like the "what's" of a relationship, and tingly feelings, friendship, professional interests or anything else like the "hows" of the relationship. One has to admit though, just because two individuals may share what's necessary to keep their dynamic going, doesn't mean they're the most interesting folks to watch. I'm inclined towards the awkward and cute moments myself, so in the place of heavier-romances, that's what keeps me rooting for Garrus and FemShep.

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Update:

kglaser wrote...

edited so I don't double-post:  Has anyone made a list of all the things Garrus says during battles?


There was a list of them on the ME wiki, but I'm not sure what happened to it. I'll try to find the quotes. :)

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kglaser wrote...


edited so I don't double-post:  Has anyone made a list of all the things Garrus says during battles?


Xsause at your service!

GARRUS' COMBAT CHATTER:


"And stay down!"

"Concussive shot ready."

"Firing a high impact shot."

"Headshot!"

"Impressive!"

"Never saw me comin'!"

"One less to worry about!"

"Scoped and dropped!"

"Scratch one!"

"Sniped that one!"

"This should punch through their armor."

"This should slow them down."

"Yes!"


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Replying in reverse-chronological order...

janeym27 wrote...

They spar. Garrus kicks the crap out of FemShep, much to her anoyance.

I kind of doubt that; if you don't go the romance way and offer to actually spar with him, he tells you he doesn't feel like getting the crap beat out of him. B!TCHES DON'T KNOW 'BOUT MY ELBOW OF DEATH

Xsause wrote...

I was
actually thinking about writing a fanfic about that. Let's just say
part of the dialogue included this:

[b]*SHEPARD and
GARRUS are watching an intimate love scene between FILM-KAIDAN and
FILM-SHEPARD (which never happened IRL).*

You know, I'd bet that Risa Ulverson would go the Femshep/Liara way. Gotta get that teen boy demographic.

Kriselia wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Kriselia
wrote...
or does it mean Shep's waist is chunky by turian standards
and he's trying to be polite?


You know?  I never,
ever thought of this before, but it would totally fit in with Garrus's
adorkable romance persona ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

And as
for turian females (I've said it before, but I'd really, really,
*really* like to see them, I imagined them as similar to males, but
slimmer basically everywhere.  IDK YMMV. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


I
can just imagine Garrus standing there, trying to be suave.
Garrus: Your
waist look very, uh... *actually looks at Shep's waist for the first
time, thinking: Damn, I never noticed that before. Think fast!*
...supportive?

I've mentioned this before, but I like the idea of female turians having a thicker waist than males; if you take a good look at the casual turians, their waist is incredibly skinny. They can't possibly be storing organs in there, and a female would only require more space for reproductive organs (even if they lay eggs, the egg grows in the body, and there needs to be space for that). Also, I find the idea that the males have wasp waists and the females are boxy just funny. Suck it, human gender expectations!

(actually men tend to have thinner waists than women on average; it's just that women's breasts and wider hips exaggerate the difference and make their waists appear smaller by comparison. my male friends can fit into much smaller skirts than I can)

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Thanks Xsause and Nyx.Aeterna! :)

But doesn't he also say "YES!" ? 

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Replying in reverse-chronological order...

janeym27 wrote...

They spar. Garrus kicks the crap out of FemShep, much to her anoyance.

I kind of doubt that; if you don't go the romance way and offer to actually spar with him, he tells you he doesn't feel like getting the crap beat out of him. B!TCHES DON'T KNOW 'BOUT MY ELBOW OF DEATH


Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Garrus was that much better at ass-kicking than FemShep (in a fair fight, I reckon it's be quite the contest!). The implication was that she thought they were going to do some sexin', and was unprepared for Garrus launching into a physical attack. :whistle:

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kglaser wrote...

Thanks Xsause and Nyx.Aeterna! :)

But doesn't he also say "YES!" ? 


Oh yeah, I think he does. Added that to the list.

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janeym27 wrote...

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Garrus was that much better at ass-kicking than FemShep (in a fair fight, I reckon it's be quite the contest!). The implication was that she thought they were going to do some sexin', and was unprepared for Garrus launching into a physical attack. :whistle:

Turian sex *is* a physical attack. ;):devil:

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kglaser wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Garrus was that much better at ass-kicking than FemShep (in a fair fight, I reckon it's be quite the contest!). The implication was that she thought they were going to do some sexin', and was unprepared for Garrus launching into a physical attack. :whistle:

Turian sex *is* a physical attack. ;):devil:


Yeah, Garrus kind of mentions this on the side if you turn him down in the final romance scene (not that I ever turned him down, but I've YouTubed it)

Think he says "I'd just have torn a ligature, anyway." before walking off. Man, that was sad.

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Xsause wrote...

Yeah, Garrus kind of mentions this on the side if you turn him down in the final romance scene (not that I ever turned him down, but I've YouTubed it)

Think he says "I'd just have torn a ligature, anyway." before walking off. Man, that was sad.


I could never YouTube that.  I just absolutely couldn't. :(

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kglaser wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Yeah, Garrus kind of mentions this on the side if you turn him down in the final romance scene (not that I ever turned him down, but I've YouTubed it)

Think he says "I'd just have torn a ligature, anyway." before walking off. Man, that was sad.


I could never YouTube that.  I just absolutely couldn't. :(


Final line = "I'll be here when you need me"

It gave me a sad.:crying:

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Wait... So people actually think the Garrus & Shep relationship isn't going to be long term? I believe that out of all the romances, it was the most promising one. The romance scene itself was the least sexed-up out of all the other ones... And I found it to be the sweetest and most sentimental.



Plus I see Garrus and Shepard (at least my Shepard) to be perfect for one another. They're similar in so many respects. Both are skilled in fighting, both have experienced the pain of losing teammates,both are driven to bring justice to the galaxy, and they've been through hell and back, not once, but twice.



Also, in the romance scene, Shepard has her scars (regardless of whether or not you healed them) and her reaching up to touch Garrus' is just symbolic of the fact they are (in terms of what someone said earlier) kindred spirits, or soul mates in my opinion.



I'm not one for love stories of any kind (like I seriously hate romance movies and books XD) but I thought Bioware did an amazing job with Garrus and Shepard. Seriously my favorite couple/romance of all times. I can't wait to see how it turns out in ME3.




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janeym27 wrote...

Final line = "I'll be here when you need me"

It gave me a sad.:crying:


Reading that just gave me a sick knot in my stomach. :sick::(

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Xsause wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 , this time I swear not to look at a SINGLE trailer or forum about it. If this is the last chapter I want to be completely surprised about everything , the only problem is that I'm a bit apprehensive about how the romance will be wrapped up. I wish I could sneak into bioware headquarters , assume the identity of a newly employed writer just to make sure the rest of the Garrus romance will be written as perfectly as possible. So far my plan involves flying to Canada and breaking a company window to get inside. Its not quite refined yet but I have a brick packed so , half way there really.


Let me guess: your version of the game will open with a Garrus shirtless scene?  :lol:

Not that I'd complain, shirtless Garrus is badass.


Pft…noooooooo…why …why would you think that? If you MUST know , there will be a good non-sexual reason for such a thing, if I did write about that, which I didn’t. Image IPB...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the  occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*

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LOL, I just had a vision of Garrus as the Old Spice Guy:



"Now I'm on a horse." LOL

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the  occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*


GARRUS:  You spin me right round baby
                    Right round
                   Like a record baby
                   Right round round round


SHEPARD: Garrus, that isn't Barry White.

GARRUS: Oh. Sounded catchy, though.



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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 , this time I swear not to look at a SINGLE trailer or forum about it. If this is the last chapter I want to be completely surprised about everything , the only problem is that I'm a bit apprehensive about how the romance will be wrapped up. I wish I could sneak into bioware headquarters , assume the identity of a newly employed writer just to make sure the rest of the Garrus romance will be written as perfectly as possible. So far my plan involves flying to Canada and breaking a company window to get inside. Its not quite refined yet but I have a brick packed so , half way there really.


Let me guess: your version of the game will open with a Garrus shirtless scene?  :lol:

Not that I'd complain, shirtless Garrus is badass.


Pft…noooooooo…why …why would you think that?If you MUST know , there will be a good non-sexual reason for such a thing, if I did write about that, which I didn’t. Image IPB...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the  occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*


Non sexual reasons, hmm?

Firefight. Bullets flying. Garrus is knocked off his feet. Shepard kills the last of the enemy, and rushes to his side.

Shepard: Garrus! Are you alreaight?
Garrus: Fine, Commander. just a little winded.
Shepard: I don't like the looks of this. We'd better get this armour off.
Garrus: Really, Commander. It's just-
Shepard: Goddammit, Garrus! You're rambling. Mordin! Cut him out of this, stat! 

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janeym27 wrote...

Firefight. Bullets flying. Garrus is knocked off his feet. Shepard kills the last of the enemy, and rushes to his side.

Shepard: Garrus! Are you alreaight?
Garrus: Fine, Commander. just a little winded.
Shepard: I don't like the looks of this. We'd better get this armour off.
Garrus: Really, Commander. It's just-
Shepard: Goddammit, Garrus! You're rambling. Mordin! Cut him out of this, stat! 


Shepard:  I don't like this damage to his boxer shorts, either.  Could be acid.  Better cut it off him.

:lol:ok sorry:P

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janeym27 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 , this time I swear not to look at a SINGLE trailer or forum about it. If this is the last chapter I want to be completely surprised about everything , the only problem is that I'm a bit apprehensive about how the romance will be wrapped up. I wish I could sneak into bioware headquarters , assume the identity of a newly employed writer just to make sure the rest of the Garrus romance will be written as perfectly as possible. So far my plan involves flying to Canada and breaking a company window to get inside. Its not quite refined yet but I have a brick packed so , half way there really.


Let me guess: your version of the game will open with a Garrus shirtless scene?  :lol:

Not that I'd complain, shirtless Garrus is badass.


Pft…noooooooo…why …why would you think that?If you MUST know , there will be a good non-sexual reason for such a thing, if I did write about that, which I didn’t. Image IPB...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the  occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*


Non sexual reasons, hmm?

Firefight. Bullets flying. Garrus is knocked off his feet. Shepard kills the last of the enemy, and rushes to his side.

Shepard: Garrus! Are you alreaight?
Garrus: Fine, Commander. just a little winded.
Shepard: I don't like the looks of this. We'd better get this armour off.
Garrus: Really, Commander. It's just-
Shepard: Goddammit, Garrus! You're rambling. Mordin! Cut him out of this, stat! 



Mordin:  Have standard dosage of medigel handy. Could use it without having to undress Garrus.

Shepard: I'm the galaxy-saving commander here, not you! Now take his armor off!

Garrus: Shepard, it's nothing. See? I'm walking. And now I'm even running!

Shepard: Garrus, if you don't sit down and let Mordin cut you out of that armor, I'll beat your sorry ass into next
Tuesday!

*short pause*

Garrus: Shepard, what's a "tuesday"?

-

My idea on how ME3 could possibly open on a non-sexual Garrus shirtless scene? I don't know. Maybe he and Shepard are in their normal clothes right when they get attacked by enemies, and Shepard has to lift Garrus' shirt up to treat him with medi-gel.

Naaaaaaaaaah.

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Xsause wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal
wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Hyrule_Gal
wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 , this time I swear not to look at a
SINGLE trailer or forum about it. If this is the last chapter I want to
be completely surprised about everything , the only problem is that I'm
a bit apprehensive about how the romance will be wrapped up. I wish I
could sneak into bioware headquarters , assume the identity of a newly
employed writer just to make sure the rest of the Garrus romance will
be written as perfectly as possible. So far my plan involves flying to
Canada and breaking a company window to get inside. Its not quite
refined yet but I have a brick packed so , half way there really.


Let
me guess: your version of the game will open with a Garrus shirtless
scene?  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png

Not that
I'd complain, shirtless Garrus is badass.


Pft…noooooooo…why
…why would you think that?If you MUST know , there will be a good
non-sexual reason for such a thing, if I did write about that, which I
didn’t. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless
Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the 
occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*


Non
sexual reasons, hmm?

Firefight. Bullets flying. Garrus is
knocked off his feet. Shepard kills the last of the enemy, and rushes to
his side.

Shepard: Garrus! Are you alreaight?
Garrus: Fine,
Commander. just a little winded.
Shepard: I don't like the looks of
this. We'd better get this armour off.
Garrus: Really, Commander.
It's just-
Shepard: Goddammit, Garrus! You're rambling. Mordin! Cut
him out of this, stat! 



Mordin:  Have
standard dosage of medigel handy. Could use it without having to undress
Garrus.

Shepard: I'm the galaxy-saving commander here, not you!
Now take his armor off!

Garrus: Shepard, it's nothing. See? I'm
walking. And now I'm even running!

Shepard: Garrus, if you don't
sit down and let Mordin cut you out of that armor, I'll beat your sorry
ass into next
Tuesday!

*short pause*

Garrus: Shepard,
what's a "tuesday"?



Shepard is confronted by Miranada and Jacob.

Jacob: This isn't an alliance vessel, Shepard. We don't have strict regs against fraternisation. However-
Miranda: However, we can't expect to face the Reapers with a focused and committed team, with you sexually harassing the crew.
Shepard: Sexual Harrassment? Me?
Jacob: Garrus has reported that he no longer feels confident going on missions with you. He has requested we switch him to shipbound duties.
Shepard: I'm sick of your disengenuous assertions, Jacob!
Miranda: This the third suit of armour Garrus has gone through in as many weeks. And according to EDI, you are constantly interupting vital gunnery callibrations when he's on duty. This can't continue, Shepard.
Shepard: I don't have time for this.

She storms out.


EDIT: Apparently I quoted myself by accicent. Oops. lol

Modifié par janeym27, 10 avril 2010 - 11:59 .


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I don't know...Captain Kirk usually managed to get at least half his shirt ripped off by the time Star Trek was over. XD

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janeym27 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I can't wait for ME3 , this time I swear not to look at a SINGLE trailer or forum about it. If this is the last chapter I want to be completely surprised about everything , the only problem is that I'm a bit apprehensive about how the romance will be wrapped up. I wish I could sneak into bioware headquarters , assume the identity of a newly employed writer just to make sure the rest of the Garrus romance will be written as perfectly as possible. So far my plan involves flying to Canada and breaking a company window to get inside. Its not quite refined yet but I have a brick packed so , half way there really.


Let me guess: your version of the game will open with a Garrus shirtless scene?  :lol:

Not that I'd complain, shirtless Garrus is badass.


Pft…noooooooo…why …why would you think that?If you MUST know , there will be a good non-sexual reason for such a thing, if I did write about that, which I didn’t. Image IPB...and if I DID its not just 15 minutes of shirtless Garrus rotating slowly to barry white music while he does the  occasional flex with each rotation. ...* mordin cough*


Non sexual reasons, hmm?

Firefight. Bullets flying. Garrus is knocked off his feet. Shepard kills the last of the enemy, and rushes to his side.

Shepard: Garrus! Are you alreaight?
Garrus: Fine, Commander. just a little winded.
Shepard: I don't like the looks of this. We'd better get this armour off.
Garrus: Really, Commander. It's just-
Shepard: Goddammit, Garrus! You're rambling. Mordin! Cut him out of this, stat! 



(Shepard and team  fight a horde of mechs, the last mech shoots before it explodes and a single bullet grazes Garrus's armour leaving a barely noticable scratch mark)


Shepard: Garrus! Are you ok?

Garrus: Not sure, I'll have to take the top half of my armour off to check for damage.

Shepard: But it’s about to rain! The water is sure to splash dramatically off your body!

Garrus: Shepard, there’s no time! Now, I need you to look closely for injuries, here, use this camera. 

Shepard: Why do I need to-

Garrus: So you can zoom in REALLY close while you scan my body for damage. Honestly. Now, the only problem with this camera is that it’s permanently stuck on the slow motion setting but there’s no time to find another one. Right, better get this off and reveal my rare and very muscular Turian physique.

Shepard: Right!

Jacob: Commander, I think I've been hit!

Shepard: That's great Jacob *filming Garrus*

Jacob: Really, commander look! *lifts up shirt*

Shepard: GEEZ Jacob! Can't you keep your kit on for ONE second!  We get it ok, you "work out" .God, you'll find any excuse to get your clothes off won't you?

Jacob: ...but I'm bleeding!

Shepard: I think sombody's being a TAD dramatic

Jacob: Dramatic?! I fought off two giant mechs by myself while you two were trading pokemon behind that crate over there!

Shepard: Hey I NEEDED  a vulpix, ok?  Heartgold doesn't have any and that's my favorite fire type.

Jacob: Oh god...I think I punctured a lung.

Shepard: Jacob, I love these chats really Image IPB but can't you see Garrus needs my urgent attention?

Jacob: HE'S FINE!

Shepard:.. Yeah he is

Garrus: Yeah, I am

Wrex walking by with a paper: *takes of reading glasses* He is a bit of alright

Jacob: God damn it, I'll get the medi-gels myself *drags his body off-screen*

Wrex: Hey Shepard  

Shepard: Wrex

Wrex: Why IS the turian half naked? 

Shepard: He’s checking for wounds

Wrex: Right, so why are you filming him?

Shepard: Using the zoom feature...for wounds

Wrex: ...Why is he under a waterfall?

Shepard: ...needed more water

Wrex: Ah...carry on then

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...



(Shepard and team


Shepard: Garrus! Are you ok?

Garrus: Not sure, I'll have to take the top half of my armour off to check for damage.

Shepard: But it’s about to rain! The water is sure to splash dramatically off your body!

Garrus: Shepard, there’s no time! Now I need you to look closely for injuries, here, use this camera. 

Shepard: Why do I need to-

Garrus: So you can zoom in REALLY close while you scan my body for damage. Honestly. Now, the only problem with this camera is that it’s permanently stuck on the slow motion setting but there’s no time to find another one.  Right, better get this off and reveal my rare and very muscular Turian physique.
Shepard: Right!

Jacob: Commander, I think I've been hit!

Shepard: That's great Jacob *filming Garrus*

Jacob: Really, commander look! *lifts up shirt*

Shepard: GEEZ jacob! Can't you keep your kit on for ONE second!  We get it ok, you "work out" .God, you'll find any excuse to get your clothes off won't you?

Jacob: ..but I'm bleeding!

Shepard: I think sombody's being a TAD dramatic

Jacob: Dramatic?! I fought off two giant mechs by myself while you two were trading pokemon behind that crate over there!

Shepard: Hey I NEEDED  a vulpix, ok?  Heartgold doesn't have any and that's my favorite fire type.

Shepard: .Oh god..I think I punctured a lung.

Shepard: Jacob, I love these chats really Image IPB but can't you see Garrus needs my urgent attention?


Jacob: HE'S FINE!
Shepard:.. Yeah he is

Garrus: Yeah, I am
Wrex walking by with a paper: *takes of reading glasses* He is a bit of alright

Jacob: God damn it, I'll get the medi-gels myself *drags his body off-screen*

Wrex: Hey Shepard  

Shepard: Wrex

Wrex: Why IS the turian half naked? 

Shepard: He’s checking for wounds

Wrex: Right, so why are you filming him?

Shepard: Using the zoom feature...for wounds

Wrex: ...Why is he under a waterfall?

Shepard: ...needed more water


Wrex: Ah...carry on then


I loled so hard, juice came out my nose! :lol: Especially:


Garrus: So you can zoom in REALLY close while you scan my body
for damage. Honestly. Now, the only problem with this camera is that
it’s permanently stuck on the slow motion setting but there’s no time to
find another one.  Right, better get this off and reveal my rare and
very muscular Turian physique.

Congratualtions. You've won an internet.

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Wrex: Hey Shepard  

Shepard: Wrex

Wrex: Why IS the turian half naked? 

Shepard: He’s checking for wounds

Wrex: Right, so why are you filming him?

Shepard: Using the zoom feature...for wounds

Wrex: ...Why is he under a waterfall?

Shepard: ...needed more water


Wrex: Ah...carry on then


Wrex:  So why are you holding a bottle of massage oil instead of medigel?

Shepard: ...

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Xsause

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Shepard: Hell yeah. Put more shirtless Garrus scenes in the...thing more shirtless Garrus scenes go in.

*Garrus' dad enters for no particular reason.*

Vakarian Sr.: Garrus, I - Wait, what are you doing under that waterfall? And what are you doing half-naked with a human Spectre!? I thought I raised you better than that!

Garrus: Dad, I -

Vakarian Sr: Son, I am disappoint.

Modifié par Xsause, 11 avril 2010 - 12:23 .