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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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#11026
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@Janey, I don't think you need to worry. You disagreed with Garrus acting that way, and think all of us do. It would be pretty lame if they went that route, it would feel like they did it only to be edgy or something.


Actually, I disagreed with the principle of having him as betrayer, but you could do in without being OOC...

OK, I'll stop now. lol:P

(Dig up, stupid!)

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I think, as others have said, it has to do with the fact that Garrus has a really small hatedom. Ashley, Jacob, Liara, Miranda, Kaidan, Tali... they all have people who absolutely hate them. I've yet to really run into a Garrus hater. I'm not entirely certain why that is, but I think it may have to do with the fact that A) he's rough around the edges, and people love generally that in a character (and especially a romance), and B) the behavior his more extreme (female) fans exhibit is considered more acceptable because he's a male character.

That's just my 2 cents though, so take it as you will.

Well, being somewhat of a Tali-hater... or no, that sounds too extreme... a Tali-detractor myself, I can just say that the thing that sets her and Garrus' fandoms apart is that Tali's tend to over-exaggerate everything about her... her romance, her abilities and her personality. Not to mention the frequent picture dumps of the exact same pictures, over, and over, and over, and over, and... well, you get my point.

I don't know how to put it in words, exactly, but... let's say the Tali fandom treat Tali like she was this ultra-polished diamond that just sparkles Edward-worthy rays of purifying, godly light everywhere. From the outside, most people are going to go "Wtf are you guys talking about" and point out that while she's a good character, she's not exactly a flawless, sparkling diamond of a character.

You guys, on the other hand... from what I've seen so far, that is... treat Garrus like a rock, but like a shiny one that's awesome in it's own, distinct way. And that doesn't really bother you because you like this rock despite it being a little "rough around the edges", as you said. And from the outside, people think "Sure, I can go with that" because they acknowledge, just like you do, that Garrus is a good/awesome but not necessarily perfect character.

Also, your definition of "cute" is definitely tamer than theirs. At one point, they believed that Tali hiccuping at the dinner table would necessitate a hug. "Sweet" as it may be, it's enough to give even the most hardy and resilient people diabetes.

Also, the third thing that sets you apart is that you do not go out of your way to defile other characters to get your point across. The point where I really lost it and began to hate... nay, oppose Tali and her fandom, was when someone in their fan-thread posted a comic where Shepard sacrificed Garrus to the collector bees just so she could hug Tali. I just lost it. It was canon defilement at its best.

I naturally asked why the hell Shep would do that to her own squad mate, and they naturally replied that "Garrus would happily give his life for such a noble goal."

Garrus' life. For a hug.

Right, and you wonder why people hate your fandom? If that's not answer enough, I don't know what is.

In any way, this is just my 2 very subjective cents.

EDIT: nice that it took me 2 pages worth of time to formulate a response

Modifié par Arcian, 16 avril 2010 - 12:44 .


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Oh f-I made janeym27 sad...

I'm still calibrating to find out the magic invisible BBCode colour, hang on, I'll crack it soon, janeym27.

I don't agree with Garrus's betrayal, but as janeym27 said, if they do it (which dear whatever I believe in I hope they don't) then they will somehow make it fit and IC, maybe based on the themes posted.

Modifié par Flammie, 16 avril 2010 - 12:39 .


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Ugh, Arcian. I'd rather not have a troll like you around. This thread must remain immaculate and pure!

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Flammie wrote...

Oh f-I made janeym27 sad...

I'm still calibrating to find out the magic invisible BBCode colour, hang on, I'll crack it soon, janeym27.

I don't agree with Garrus's betrayal, but as janeym27 said, if they do it (which dear whatever I believe in I hope they don't) then they will somehow make it fit and IC, maybe based on the themes posted.

I kind of think that Archangel doesn't have to mean anything supremely deep. I just took as meaning that he leads a team of "angels," or those people he worked with against the criminals of Omega.

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Ugh, Arcian. I'd rather not have a troll like you around. This thread must remain immaculate and pure!

I've given up my trolling ways.

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@Flammie. I know not why the colourz hate me, but trust that it is not your fault.



@ Collider: Like fresh snow?

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/tries to catch up



Trolling? What now? o0 The only troll I've noticed is the one who came in to post 'that picture' purely to annoy....

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Collider wrote...

social.bioware.com/869733/polls/4773/


Kasumi is one of my favorite characters next to wrex and garrus. Sorry tali fans, i like a dlc character better.

And yes...Garrus, and kasumi....Garrsumi


Yeah, no kidding...I just finished her mission and the way she jumped up on that ship and disabled the shields, her snappy salute to Hock...so awesome! :wizard:
Having her around makes me want to play Thief 2 again.  Garrett, not Garrus. ;)

OK, Garrus is better.  (But Stephen Russell's voice in those games is the second-sexiest in gaming. <3)

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janeym27 wrote...

@Flammie. I know not why the colourz hate me, but trust that it is not your fault.

@ Collider: Like fresh snow?

Indeed! :wizard:

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I only really just saw it how he explained it "Locals gave it to me 'cause I did good things"

Hmm... for now, (color=rgb(51, 51, 51)) may work, replacing the outside () with []. I'm trying to find the common name for ease of use, but that should do...

Alternatively, you could use (color=#333333) (Yes, I know that's a strange colour code)


Can you read this?

Or can you read this?

Modifié par Flammie, 16 avril 2010 - 12:49 .


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@Arcian: I largely agree with what you're saying and was going to respond in detail - but then I realized it would be off-topic.



Let's just say that you're right - but I think you're accentuating the negative and ignoring instances of the same thing elsewhere. But let's move on, eh?

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Collider wrote...

Obvious headbump is obvious.
Also, clipping is indeed an issue. Hell, look at when you cuddle with your LI. Clipping galore.


Yeah, it even happens a little when Garrus steps on Fade's neck.  Doesn't stop it from being one of the badassiest scenes in gaming history, though.

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Kotori Ky wrote...

/tries to catch up

Trolling? What now? o0 The only troll I've noticed is the one who came in to post 'that picture' purely to annoy....

He's referencing the fact that I've been poking the Tali-fandom with the troll-stick for a couple of days. Mostly just for fun until they dropped the "Garrus gets eaten by bees so Shepard can hug Tali"-picture. I finally decided to stop being a monumental jerk and focus my energy on something else, like supporting Garrus. In hindsight, it was a very good decision.

And about "that picture"... could you elaborate on that so the newbie may understand what's the deal with it?

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Well about people in the tali fans hating on garrus, there is only a very few people who actually dislike garrus. I don't really like tali myself, i haven't really used her much on Mass Effect and my friend went ape-sht on me telling me "WTF is wrong with you?!"



Really, i find kasumi to be a lot more interesting then tali, i just wish they put alot more into her character.

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Kotori Ky wrote...

/tries to catch up

Trolling? What now? o0 The only troll I've noticed is the one who came in to post 'that picture' purely to annoy....

Arcian has been in threads in this forum trolling people. He better not pull that **** in this thread.

Modifié par Collider, 16 avril 2010 - 12:50 .


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kglaser wrote...

Collider wrote...

Obvious headbump is obvious.
Also, clipping is indeed an issue. Hell, look at when you cuddle with your LI. Clipping galore.


Yeah, it even happens a little when Garrus steps on Fade's neck.  Doesn't stop it from being one of the badassiest scenes in gaming history, though.

Yep :wizard: So cool to have Garrus on the team. Hell, he even held up all those mercenaries the Blue Suns flung at him.

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Arcian wrote...

Kotori Ky wrote...

/tries to catch up

Trolling? What now? o0 The only troll I've noticed is the one who came in to post 'that picture' purely to annoy....

He's referencing the fact that I've been poking the Tali-fandom with the troll-stick for a couple of days. Mostly just for fun until they dropped the "Garrus gets eaten by bees so Shepard can hug Tali"-picture. I finally decided to stop being a monumental jerk and focus my energy on something else, like supporting Garrus. In hindsight, it was a very good decision.

And about "that picture"... could you elaborate on that so the newbie may understand what's the deal with it?


It may be the pregnant Shep picture. It leads to bad mental images... lol

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Really, i find kasumi to be a lot more interesting then tali, i just wish they put alot more into her character.

I agree, I thought she was frickin awesome.

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Arcian has been in threads in this forum trolling people. He better not pull that **** in this thread.

You have my solemn promise that I will never, ever troll in this thread.

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Arcian wrote...

*snip*


Ah, Arcian's not a troll, Collider. Just upset with the Talimania. I don't think being upset with the character's fans is reason enough to be upset with the character themself, though. But I probably shouldn't be talking since I'll admit that I've let such things get me down before.

*HYPOCRITE*

Part of the reason I like Garrus where others may not is precisely because he isn't perfect. He's a flawed character with ultimately good intentions, and his flaws are incredibly easy to point out. I love his awkardness in the romance despite his confidence in other areas, I love how he keeps trying to do what he feels is best (even if that means breaking the rules) only to have it come around and bite him on his flat butt, etc.It makes him real.

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Arcian wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Really, i find kasumi to be a lot more interesting then tali, i just wish they put alot more into her character.

I agree, I thought she was frickin awesome.


She is so helpful too.

:ph34r:

*runs up behind a badguy with cloak on*

POW! :o:O:D

Garrus and kasumi are my favorite people to bring now

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Collider seems very passionate about the war against trolls.

Garrus shall never not be in my team. Really makes me feel sorry for him/inspired, that he's always there by Shepard's side when s/he calls for him/her.

I think I've found the key, janeym27. I don't know the common name, but [color=#333333 ] (six 3s, and don't forget the #) is the easiest. Don't forget to close it with [ /color] and take out those spaces.

Modifié par Flammie, 16 avril 2010 - 12:56 .


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Umanix wrote...

Arcian wrote...

*snip*


Ah, Arcian's not a troll, Collider. Just upset with the Talimania. I don't think being upset with the character's fans is reason enough to be upset with the character themself, though. But I probably shouldn't be talking since I'll admit that I've let such things get me down before.

Uh, have you seen him around? He's not *just* upset with Talimania. If he was, why has he been going to the Tali thread and other threads posting stupid **** simply for the intent of pissing people off? Obvious troll is obvious. Someone just upset with the fandom does not go into the threads and try to ****** people off.

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Part of the reason I like Garrus where others may not is precisely because he isn't perfect. He's a flawed character with ultimately good intentions, and his flaws are incredibly easy to point out. I love his awkardness in the romance despite his confidence in other areas, I love how he keeps trying to do what he feels is best (even if that means breaking the rules) only to have it come around and bite him on his flat butt, etc.It makes him real.

Yeah, this is exactly what I like about him. It makes him - as ironical as it may sound - "human".