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[Kotori Ky]

janeym27 wrote...

Kotori Ky wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Kotori Ky wrote...

............heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey :{

Heeey....Love youuuuuuuu...<3<3<3<3

Pffft. I swear you all think I'm a bloody raging alcoholic. XD It's funny and sad at the same time. (Since I'm usually the DD for my friends.)

Actually, if you wanted to be right you all would wake up hung over and I would still be up drinking. So HAH!<3

Ah... ancient Scottish secret: Irn Bru. Never be hungover again!

Also, we'd be hungover, you'd be drunk, but then we'd drink to ease our pain/catch you up, and you'd run into a hangover, and we'd be drnk again, and then you'd drink to catch us up and... this could end badly.

But the priiii- *gets shot*

ow

[janeym27]

Aaaaggghhh! Was trying my hand at motivationals, and did google image search for 'Garrus Vakarian', and half way down the page: OH GOD, MY EYES!!!



Anyone else happy houring, btw? I know I am.



(To be clear, my housemate is away and all my mates are working. I'm not an alcoholic who needs to drink alone/in the company of forumites...honest. )

[WarlordFil]

About Garrus after Shep died....sorry, picking up from a few pages ago....



...I look at him during the Archangel mission and there is something very broken about him. I don't know if it's PTSD or clinical depression or what, but he is *not right*. At the end of the first game he was hoping to rejoin C-Sec or reapply for Spectre training. Whatever he picks, it's all fallen apart by ME2. We don't know if he bombed out (and given his abilities I think his issues would be mental/emotional, not that he couldn't do the job) or if he quit, but something took him to Omega. And when he lost his team, something led him to make the series of bad mistakes that caused him to take on bigger and bigger targets, even with his team gone, until he ended up reenacting the Alamo all by himself in that building. Snowballing errors, or outright death wish?



I think long before any issue of either love or sex came on the table, Shepard was a guiding light in his life, and without her...he crumbled.



I'm not sure that's necessarily *healthy* and is certainly not an ideal for a relationship, but sometimes it is what it is.

[siltsonata]

janeym27 wrote...

Aaaaggghhh! Was trying my hand at motivationals, and did google image search for 'Garrus Vakarian', and half way down the page: OH GOD, MY EYES!!!

Anyone else happy houring, btw? I know I am.

(To be clear, my housemate is away and all my mates are working. I'm not an alcoholic who needs to drink alone/in the company of forumites...honest. )

Aw, eff it. I'll join you.  Wish I had something to mix my rum with...I'm cautious of that wine now...

[Ray Joel Oh]

janeym27 wrote...

Aaaaggghhh! Was trying my hand at motivationals, and did google image search for 'Garrus Vakarian', and half way down the page: OH GOD, MY EYES!!!

:googles:

Maaan, they're such lousy drawings, too.

[janeym27]

WarlordFil wrote...

About Garrus after Shep died....sorry, picking up from a few pages ago....

...I look at him during the Archangel mission and there is something very broken about him. I don't know if it's PTSD or clinical depression or what, but he is *not right*. At the end of the first game he was hoping to rejoin C-Sec or reapply for Spectre training. Whatever he picks, it's all fallen apart by ME2. We don't know if he bombed out (and given his abilities I think his issues would be mental/emotional, not that he couldn't do the job) or if he quit, but something took him to Omega. And when he lost his team, something led him to make the series of bad mistakes that caused him to take on bigger and bigger targets, even with his team gone, until he ended up reenacting the Alamo all by himself in that building. Snowballing errors, or outright death wish?

I think long before any issue of either love or sex came on the table, Shepard was a guiding light in his life, and without her...he crumbled.

I'm not sure that's necessarily *healthy* and is certainly not an ideal for a relationship, but sometimes it is what it is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: one way or another, she completes him.

[silentstephi]

"Why in Blue perfect hell would you pee on the corpse!?"



Amg... I love this movie.

Tomorrow I can join in Happy Hour, because pay day will come and Bailey's will be purchased and yay!

Almost done with this Meme!



This picture bugs me. The first time I ever did Garrus's recruit, I got this shot. It was of his uncovered eye... at the end...

But since then... it's always been the one with his eye piece...

Driving me nuts.

[janeym27]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Aaaaggghhh! Was trying my hand at motivationals, and did google image search for 'Garrus Vakarian', and half way down the page: OH GOD, MY EYES!!!

:googles:

Maaan, they're such lousy drawings, too.

NO! Garrus/Tali should never be a thing. NEVER!!!


Edit: At least not like that!

Modifié par janeym27, 16 avril 2010 - 03:58 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

WarlordFil wrote...

About Garrus after Shep died....sorry, picking up from a few pages ago....

...I look at him during the Archangel mission and there is something very broken about him. I don't know if it's PTSD or clinical depression or what, but he is *not right*. At the end of the first game he was hoping to rejoin C-Sec or reapply for Spectre training. Whatever he picks, it's all fallen apart by ME2. We don't know if he bombed out (and given his abilities I think his issues would be mental/emotional, not that he couldn't do the job) or if he quit, but something took him to Omega. And when he lost his team, something led him to make the series of bad mistakes that caused him to take on bigger and bigger targets, even with his team gone, until he ended up reenacting the Alamo all by himself in that building. Snowballing errors, or outright death wish?

I think long before any issue of either love or sex came on the table, Shepard was a guiding light in his life, and without her...he crumbled.

I'm not sure that's necessarily *healthy* and is certainly not an ideal for a relationship, but sometimes it is what it is.

His omega team died right before all the mercs swarmed in on him. He got ratted out by one of his squad and that guy ran away, the mercs swarmed into his headquarters and killed his entire team, and when he got back thats when all the shooting started. He was pretty much ready to die, but then when you came back that gave him a reason to live, which is why instead of letting himself die after getting hit by the missle he gasped for breath, trying to live one more time to help his old friend.

[Ray Joel Oh]

WarlordFil wrote...

About Garrus after Shep died....sorry, picking up from a few pages ago....

...I look at him during the Archangel mission and there is something very broken about him. I don't know if it's PTSD or clinical depression or what, but he is *not right*. At the end of the first game he was hoping to rejoin C-Sec or reapply for Spectre training. Whatever he picks, it's all fallen apart by ME2. We don't know if he bombed out (and given his abilities I think his issues would be mental/emotional, not that he couldn't do the job) or if he quit, but something took him to Omega. And when he lost his team, something led him to make the series of bad mistakes that caused him to take on bigger and bigger targets, even with his team gone, until he ended up reenacting the Alamo all by himself in that building. Snowballing errors, or outright death wish?

I think long before any issue of either love or sex came on the table, Shepard was a guiding light in his life, and without her...he crumbled.

I'm not sure that's necessarily *healthy* and is certainly not an ideal for a relationship, but sometimes it is what it is.

He was doing alright until he got sold out.  I imagine he was pretty proud of himself for a while there.  Shepard finds him at a low point, but I think if things had turned out differently, he could have done alright for himself for a good while longer.

Edit: I mean, if he hadn't ended up in the position he was in when we find him. 

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 16 avril 2010 - 04:05 .

[Kotori Ky]

If I didn't have to go to bed soon I'd join you. But I have to be up at 4am for work. /siiiiiigh



I agree that Garrus seems to have lost a lot in his life when Shepard died. I think he wanted and tried to pick up the slack, to continue on what he thought Shepard might do in his own way, and when it fell apart on him, when he was betrayed, it was just one extra blow to him. And we don't know... but maybe his father came down hard on him when he returned, either to C-Sec or to try for Specter Training, for his actions in ME1, so that could be an extra burden to him. The poor guy was just mentally and physically exhausted when you meet him again... and I think his spirit was nearing a breaking point. He wasn't giving up just yet, he was going to hang on as long as possible no matter what... but he was on that edge, I think.

[siltsonata]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

His omega team died right before all the mercs swarmed in on him. He got ratted out by one of his squad and that guy ran away, the mercs swarmed into his headquarters and killed his entire team, and when he got back thats when all the shooting started. He was pretty much ready to die, but then when you came back that gave him a reason to live, which is why instead of letting himself die after getting hit by the missle he gasped for breath, trying to live one more time to help his old friend.

...ILU.  That was so nicely said:wub:.

Although, while I think he was tired and feeling beaten before Shepard got there, there was a real glimmer of hope in his "Tell you what, you get me out of here alive and I'll tell you the whole damn story."  He was feeling hopeless and worn down, but I don't think he was quite ready to give up.  (Turian survivor is one of his class options, right? And I totally didn't pick it first time because I thought it would help him survive the suicide mission.)  Garrus is a tough bastard.  Otherwise, why hadn't he given up before Shepard showed up?

[WarlordFil]

I still think that going to Omega would be like the modern-day equivalent of me deciding to drop out of the Canadian Forces and head off to Mogadishu to bring some law and order to Somalia. (ie, not something that anyone all that sane would consider a good idea.)



(But by all means continue, I'm interested in seeing different opinions and I for some reason had imagined Garrus' team being dead for a while, not just before Shep arrives on scene...which gives me new things to think about.)

[janeym27]

Kotori Ky wrote...

If I didn't have to go to bed soon I'd join you. But I have to be up at 4am for work. /siiiiiigh

I agree that Garrus seems to have lost a lot in his life when Shepard died. I think he wanted and tried to pick up the slack, to continue on what he thought Shepard might do in his own way, and when it fell apart on him, when he was betrayed, it was just one extra blow to him. And we don't know... but maybe his father came down hard on him when he returned, either to C-Sec or to try for Specter Training, for his actions in ME1, so that could be an extra burden to him. The poor guy was just mentally and physically exhausted when you meet him again... and I think his spirit was nearing a breaking point. He wasn't giving up just yet, he was going to hang on as long as possible no matter what... but he was on that edge, I think.

Lol. If you lived here, you'd be at work already.... I should really go to bed.

Also, I pretty much agree with the above three posts. Shepard brings Garrus back from the brink. Partly by helping him survive in the first place (I'm fairly certain he had resigned himself to death by that point, the only question being how many of them could he take with him), and by giving him a new mission to fight for: a new reason to live beyond revenge.

[Nivenus]

Yeah, I'm going to agree that Garrus was hit hard by Shepard's death. It wasn't apparent to me at first (I just thought it was lack of development on his part) but it makes sense, in retrospect, that the reason he didn't move on to something else like it seemed like he was going to is because he lost his idol.



Not to mention that, as Joker points out (and you see for yourself) the Council wasn't exactly endorsing your plans. I imagine that really hurt any chance Garrus would want to join the Spectres at that point.

[WarlordFil]

I *am* at work. Long live the graveyard shift.



(Oh, for the record I'm not with the CF now but I was a civilian contractor for a few years.)



...also a few pages back, the Archangel/Lucifer thing...is in the last chapter of a fic of mine, which I haven't posted yet but nice to see other people have thought of that too....

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

siltsonata wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

His omega team died right before all the mercs swarmed in on him. He got ratted out by one of his squad and that guy ran away, the mercs swarmed into his headquarters and killed his entire team, and when he got back thats when all the shooting started. He was pretty much ready to die, but then when you came back that gave him a reason to live, which is why instead of letting himself die after getting hit by the missle he gasped for breath, trying to live one more time to help his old friend.

...ILU.  That was so nicely said:wub:.

Although, while I think he was tired and feeling beaten before Shepard got there, there was a real glimmer of hope in his "Tell you what, you get me out of here alive and I'll tell you the whole damn story."  He was feeling hopeless and worn down, but I don't think he was quite ready to give up.  (Turian survivor is one of his class options, right? And I totally didn't pick it first time because I thought it would help him survive the suicide mission.)  Garrus is a tough bastard.  Otherwise, why hadn't he given up before Shepard showed up?

Garrus didn't give up before shepard showed up because he was pissed off and wanted to kill everything that was shooting at him before he died, but that plan changed when shepard showed up.

[Ray Joel Oh]

I agree that his move to Omega had to have been an emotional decision, heavily influenced by Shepard's memory, but somehow I got the impression that things had been looking up for him there. That's what makes it all the more disappointing when it all goes wrong.

[WarlordFil]

Umanix, I think you're right, at that point he doesn't care how she's alive--or if he's dead and in heaven or something--he's not alone any more. Gift horse, mouth, etc.



*gets this weird image of Garrus trying to look in Shep's mouth and starts laughing*

[siltsonata]

Umanix wrote...

You know, this post got me back to thinking about Garrus' non "WTH. HOW?" reaction to seeing Shepard alive again...

Maybe he didn't really care how it was possible. He was surrounded by the dead bodies of his team in his base. Surrounded by death like that is mighty depressing,  think. When Shepard arrived, I think he allowed himself a lapse of logic for a moment of happiness. He didn't need to know how or why--one of his friends was alive and kicking and that was instantly good enough for him.

QFT.  That's how I've always seen it. (No, lies:  that's how I see it now.  When I first met him I was like GIVE ME A HUG BIZNITCH. DO SOMETHING. Of course, that was before I really knew his situation, so....)

[janeym27]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

I agree that his move to Omega had to have been an emotional decision, heavily influenced by Shepard's memory, but somehow I got the impression that things had been looking up for him there. That's what makes it all the more disappointing when it all goes wrong.

It's that exchange in is LM

Harkin: Terminus really changed you, huh, Garrus?
Garrus: No. But Sidonus...opened my eyes.


I've always seen his time on Omega as "Yes! I am making a difference. This is my calling."

Then Sidonus betrays him, it all goes wrong, and his world crumbles around him. All his dialogue on Omega is negative after that (Let's get the hell off Omega." "Being back here makes me sick." etc.)

His conversation with Harkin breaks my heart. Going to Omega didn't affect him, being betrayed and losing his team did. And it did change him (IMO).

[siltsonata]

janeym27 wrote...
It's that exchange in is LM

Harkin: Terminus really changed you, huh, Garrus?
Garrus: No. But Sidonus...opened my eyes.


I've always seen his time on Omega as "Yes! I am making a difference. This is my calling."

Then Sidonus betrays him, it all goes wrong, and his world crumbles around him. All his dialogue on Omega is negative after that (Let's get the hell off Omega." "Being back here makes me sick." etc.)

His conversation with Harkin breaks my heart. Going to Omega didn't affect him, being betrayed and losing his team did. And it did change him (IMO).

All of this, too.