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[cedardryad]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

But I'm a girl! I guess I'm just naive. xD

It's weird, because I usually am at least a little suspicious of the 'sweet' girls. I think she just came off as very genuine to me. ...Which makes her all the more devious, now that I'm onto her! >_>

Exactly. Maybe it's because I'm naturally suspicious of people. I've been hurt a lot by people I trusted, people that were supposed to be trustworthy(family), so I'm even more suspicious of outside folk. I don't know if me being a tomboy as a child also made me less likely to trust girls either. I was always chilling with the boys, this is obvious with the squad I pick in ME1 and 2. I usually always pick the men. First ME was always Wrex and Garrus. Here its mostly everyone but, Tali and Miranda. I like Tali, but I just gravitate to the men more. Also I do use Jack a lot, mainly because she has the same trust issues as I do and I do see a lot of myself in her.

[Punahedan]

It could very easily be an act, but she's got a degree of psychology; the psychologists I know are very careful to be polite and/or neutral and/or sweet, particularly my psych 101 professor, lest they set people off. Regardless of whether she's faking it or not, I believe she grows to like Shepard's command of things. Of course, part of me disapproves that she has to be so pretty. Where are all the ugly/average people in ME? Ugliness/Averageness has been eradicated from human genes? Except for Shepard, because none of my Shepards can look normal...

I DO think Kelly has an alien fetish of some kind... but I don't think it's to the extent of "OMG VARREN I HAZ U NAO." If this had been said in ME1, I'd have thought Ashley because of the lol-factor of "HAH. I knew Ashley didn't REALLY hate aliens." I can't begrudge alien fetishes because... well... clearly my Shepard has it in one form or another. But again, it's the lol factor.

I do kind of wonder, though, what TIM (I'm so, so tempted to call him Timmy now) thinks of interspecies relationships. With turians. :>

Edit to Add: Also, the men seem to be just cooler in ME as squad members, while the women are all pretty, and a little bit superficial, except for Tali. And if you think about it, there's also only a handful of memorable non-squad males; all the rest are females. It is, in part, due to the fact that there are so many asari. (Said the girl who had no female friends until eighth grade)

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 25 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[Sialater]

I didn't like her because I couldn't be nice to her without flirting. I was afraid asking her about her like of aliens would get me into waters I DID NOT want to navigate.

[silentstephi]

TIM can... er... crap, I can't say that here. -.-



ANYWAY, regarding Kelly... I actually told her to back off my first play through. Had NO CLUE that she can feed your fish if you flirted with her /facepalm



So I've begrudgingly gotten her to dinner and to feed my fish FINALLY... but I do admit, telling her to step the F off Garrus was amusing.



She's a shrink, and while not all shrinks are bad, my Renegade don't need it. >.>

[cedardryad]

I wonder how he feels about Shepard getting involved with aliens when he's using her as a platform for the human cause.

Either way I don't see anything wrong with her liking aliens because I'm a xenophile. I doubt she would screw the pooch, but I can pretend can't I?

I like the idea of other people on the ship getting busy though. Nice stress relief. Besides I can't be surprised that there is scale itch on board considering we were in Omega and god knows what the hell goes on there.

RE Psychologists: There are some really awesome ones out there. I worked with one who was the sweetest guy in the world. Always had a smile on his face and rarely lost his temper. I confided in him a lot and I'm happy I did. Was one of the best people I have had the pleasure of meeting.

Modifié par cedardryad, 25 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[Tootles FTW]

Sialater wrote...

I didn't like her because I couldn't be nice to her without flirting. I was afraid asking her about her like of aliens would get me into waters I DID NOT want to navigate.

All I wanted was for her to feed my damn fish. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

I've seen a lot of people mention TIM's opinions on Shepard's relationships, and frankly, me and my Shep both don't give a darn what TIM thinks, about her personal life or otherwise.



Until I hear otherwise, from the moment she blew the collector base onward she has nothing to do with him. Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs, had the newly unshackled EDI purge her systems of anything insidious, gave the Cerberus crew members a chance to leave if they disagreed with her decision, then took the SR-2 under her control with her authority as a Spectre. Oh, and made Garrus her new XO. ;3

[Sialater]

I didn't buy fish because I was afraid to talk to her. LOL

[cedardryad]

silentstephi wrote...

TIM can... er... crap, I can't say that here. -.-

ANYWAY, regarding Kelly... I actually told her to back off my first play through. Had NO CLUE that she can feed your fish if you flirted with her /facepalm

So I've begrudgingly gotten her to dinner and to feed my fish FINALLY... but I do admit, telling her to step the F off Garrus was amusing.

She's a shrink, and while not all shrinks are bad, my Renegade don't need it. >.>

I couldn't flirt with her. I didn't have an interst in her and I felt it would be wrong to lead her on like that, even though she wasn't a LI. I didn't want to use her like she was a piece of tissue(no pun intended). Didn't feel right. I might not like her, but I can't treat her like that. Besides I hear some people had problems with her feeding their fish. My fish and hamster were very important to me. If my fish died because I entrusted their care to her I would kill her.

[Sialater]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I've seen a lot of people mention TIM's opinions on Shepard's relationships, and frankly, me and my Shep both don't give a darn what TIM thinks, about her personal life or otherwise.

Until I hear otherwise, from the moment she blew the collector base onward she has nothing to do with him. Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs, had the newly unshackled EDI purge her systems of anything insidious, gave the Cerberus crew members a chance to leave if they disagreed with her decision, then took the SR-2 under her control with her authority as a Spectre. Oh, and made Garrus her new XO. ;3

Garrus?  Paperwork?  I think he'd flush it all out the airlock, first.  Not gonna do that to him.  Ground Team XO.  Less paperwork and crew squabbles.

[silentstephi]

cedardryad wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

TIM can... er... crap, I can't say that here. -.-

ANYWAY, regarding Kelly... I actually told her to back off my first play through. Had NO CLUE that she can feed your fish if you flirted with her /facepalm

So I've begrudgingly gotten her to dinner and to feed my fish FINALLY... but I do admit, telling her to step the F off Garrus was amusing.

She's a shrink, and while not all shrinks are bad, my Renegade don't need it. >.>

I couldn't flirt with her. I didn't have an interst in her and I felt it would be wrong to lead her on like that, even though she wasn't a LI. I didn't want to use her like she was a piece of tissue(no pun intended). Didn't feel right. I might not like her, but I can't treat her like that. Besides I hear some people had problems with her feeding their fish. My fish and hamster were very important to me. If my fish died because I entrusted their care to her I would kill her.

I don't think Boo can die.  As for the fish, eh, it's a crap shoot.
And I guess the whole flirting thing can be misconstrued ... eh, I guess it's just you have to be so damn NICE to her.  My Renegade is like... er, I don't need a frappin' secretary!  I'm really upset about the Engineer getting the axe.  I would have had no probs flirting with him a bit and hey, feed my fish? Awesome.  Or hell, maybe your LI could for freakin' sake.  But it sucks that she's the ONLY fish feeder... 

[Tootles FTW]

My first playthrough I chose the bottom "Back off" option when she talked about whispering things into Garrus's ear. In my most recent playthrough, though, I did the "I feel the same way" option and got her cute couple dialogue. I admit, I like her more now for that.

I also happen to be an obnoxiously perky and cheerful person in real-life, and I think it annoys me when a similar type personality appears as an NPC. Competition, maybe? Though it's not as if I can inject my exact personality/sense of humor into what my FemShep says, Paragon or not.

Edit: Also working against Kelly?  That Bioware snuck in a lesbian LI despite their denials, yet nothing for the gay men.  Again.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 25 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Sialater]

silentstephi wrote...

cedardryad wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

TIM can... er... crap, I can't say that here. -.-

ANYWAY, regarding Kelly... I actually told her to back off my first play through. Had NO CLUE that she can feed your fish if you flirted with her /facepalm

So I've begrudgingly gotten her to dinner and to feed my fish FINALLY... but I do admit, telling her to step the F off Garrus was amusing.

She's a shrink, and while not all shrinks are bad, my Renegade don't need it. >.>

I couldn't flirt with her. I didn't have an interst in her and I felt it would be wrong to lead her on like that, even though she wasn't a LI. I didn't want to use her like she was a piece of tissue(no pun intended). Didn't feel right. I might not like her, but I can't treat her like that. Besides I hear some people had problems with her feeding their fish. My fish and hamster were very important to me. If my fish died because I entrusted their care to her I would kill her.

I don't think Boo can die.  As for the fish, eh, it's a crap shoot.
And I guess the whole flirting thing can be misconstrued ... eh, I guess it's just you have to be so damn NICE to her.  My Renegade is like... er, I don't need a frappin' secretary!  I'm really upset about the Engineer getting the axe.  I would have had no probs flirting with him a bit and hey, feed my fish? Awesome.  Or hell, maybe your LI could for freakin' sake.  But it sucks that she's the ONLY fish feeder... 

Uh... isn't our LI currently off ship with us, getting shot at?

[cedardryad]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

 Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs,

I didn't trust Miranda enough to believe she got rid of them. She kept mentioning how she didn't answer to me. I would let Mordin do a sweep because he has no previous ties with Cerberus.

I made it known it was my ship, and it was under my control. Unfotunately, I kept the tech instead of blowing it up to high hell and once again Garrus had to  make me feel guilty. Last game when it came to the Council decision he gave me hell for saving them. He called me "human" with such distaste. I was soooooo pissed. My boyfriend said he could hear my heart breaking.

I know I was going to regret letting TIM get the tech, but I was thinking of having the upper hand here. I also knew that I would eventually have to take on Cerberus and am eager to wipe them out. Besides, in my head I gave the tech to Mordin first so we can have an advantage over Cerberus. I know TIM is just trying to push his human superiority crap on other races and it pisses me off. I hate TIM.

[silentstephi]

Shusssh!  Logic doesn't need to be a part of this >.>
XD

[enormousmoonboots]

Is a turian's fringe stiff, though? Apparently it's comparable to hair/asari head tentacles, which are both soft (I assume less so for the asari, going by the rest of their head I imagine that it's cartilaginous, like an ear). If it's bendy, sleeping on it might be slightly uncomfortable, but bearable. Human hair isn't animated at all, so flexible fringe is possible.



The Kelly thing--yeah, it does get kind of uncomfortably exaggerated around here; I can think of a few other threads I'm always gonna skip past. The varren thing was a sly little joke (after 'vas Defranz', I realized Bioware intends every one of their excellently filthy little jokes), and a lot of people are blowing it up to LOL KELLY'S A HOOR. I was kind of lukewarm on her, personally; when she was like 'I know you would catch me if I closed my eyes and fell, Shepard!' in her very first conversation, five minutes after stepping onboard and meeting Shepard I was like WHOA GIRL TOO CLOSE, STEP OFF. It sounded more clingy than flirty to me.

[dunefarble]

I think my issues with Kelly stemmed from that first conversation. I remember getting like 3 sentances in and thinking, "Wow, you're really creepy..." and that was before all the alien sex talk. I think it was the intensity of the voice acting than anything else, she seemed like a cult member.



*with big, staring eyes*"Why yes Commander, I trust you IMPLICITLY."



...creepy

[cedardryad]

Look at this...Kelly has weasled her way into the Garrus topic. For shame.

[cedardryad]

dunefarble wrote...

I think my issues with Kelly stemmed from that first conversation. I remember getting like 3 sentances in and thinking, "Wow, you're really creepy..." and that was before all the alien sex talk. I think it was the intensity of the voice acting than anything else, she seemed like a cult member.

*with big, staring eyes*"Why yes Commander, I trust you IMPLICITLY."

...creepy

Yeah, she does creepy real well. I don't like clingy and she came off as that when she mentioned the whole "Would you catch me if I fell?" thing.

[ThatDancingTurian]

cedardryad wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

 Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs,

I didn't trust Miranda enough to believe she got rid of them. She kept mentioning how she didn't answer to me. I would let Mordin do a sweep because he has no previous ties with Cerberus.

I made it known it was my ship, and it was under my control. Unfotunately, I kept the tech instead of blowing it up to high hell and once again Garrus had to  make me feel guilty. Last game when it came to the Council decision he gave me hell for saving them. He called me "human" with such distaste. I was soooooo pissed. My boyfriend said he could hear my heart breaking.

I know I was going to regret letting TIM get the tech, but I was thinking of having the upper hand here. I also knew that I would eventually have to take on Cerberus and am eager to wipe them out. Besides, in my head I gave the tech to Mordin first so we can have an advantage over Cerberus. I know TIM is just trying to push his human superiority crap on other races and it pisses me off. I hate TIM.

I trust Miranda. At least she was honest about her loyalty lying with TIM and not Shepard throughout the game, and then she resigned and formally allied herself with Shep, for better or worse. Mordin could do it just as well, I guess, but Miranda knows how TIM thinks, so she was my first thought for helping de-Cerberus the place.

I don't remember whether Garrus was for or against keeping the base when I went, but he was definitely against saving the council in my ME1 playthrough. Never heard the 'human' line.

[Nightfire78]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

cedardryad wrote...
I still think Kelly brought the Scale itch on board.

Okay, I got to bring up something.

Why does everyone seem to hate Kelly, or at least cast aspersions about her sex life? A guy does what she does and he's self-confident, smooth with the laides, heck, 'stud' isn't even a bad word.  We talk cheerfully about Garrus being Kelly's level of comfortable with his sex, his sexuality and his existance as a sexual being.

HELLO, Big Odd Tree alert! 

I remember being told as a child that women could not be prime minister or president, because it was a man's job - and then we saw Golda Meir and (*twitchy reaction*) Margaret Thatcher. 

It just bugs me that because Kelly is comfortable with her sex, sexuality and existance as a sexual being, people bash her. She backed away from Garrus and said we'd be such a cute couple when I said "Yeah about that - MINE"!  She is a good and true friend and BioWare pissed me off when she got liquidated. (Yeah, I went back and changed that nonsense!) And not to put a fine point on it, but it gets brought up about how all the LIs pretty much want Shep to fix their problems - Kelly is the one who asks Shep how s/he is doing after Horizon and such.

I'm not trying to change minds about Kelly, just trying to point out that if the hate comes from her perceived promiscuity, that's pretty silly.

 I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't "hate" Kelly, nor do I think women can't be President (hell, my mom is a physicist, the only woman in the entire student body of physics at the time when she studied, she does most car/house/electrics/computer etc. repairs herself and so on, which according to many people is oh so unwomanly or are things "women can't do"). Nonetheless I make jokes about Kelly...

If it were Shep's male secretary, let's call him John, who's up for anything, I'd be making those jokes about him.

I definitely understand where you're coming from because it pisses me off too when people are all like "good job dude" when a guy sleeps around and "you ****" when a girl does it, but I don't think the Kelly jokes are gender specific so much as comment specific in relation to her long list of people/races she would (and to me the line always implies 'has') sleep/slept with; it leaves almost nothing out and thus leaves her wide open for these jokes, as it would if she were a he (to me anyway).
I have no issue with her attitude, and being comfortable with your sexuality is great... The problem is the way she lists everything is a bit like a to-do checklist or something, which makes it joke-food, as it would for a male character (at least it would for me, John would so be the varen itch boy). In fact, I mostly like her (except I think she reads Shep's messages and I'm not real sure if she's really working for Shep. or is just a TIM snitch).
As for Garrus, I certainly don't recall him giving us a list . He's only ever mentioned the one girl from his army days... I always interpreted the "stud" type comments here to be joking and have more to do with the fact that he has so many "real" people hooked on his romance in-game.

Anyway, I guess what I wanted to express is that I understand where you're coming from, I just don't think the Kelly jokes are gender related. John would be getting the same flack if he had the same lines, imho.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I don't remember Garrus disagreeing with me for saving the council, in fact i don't even remember him advising me to take any renegade option, that was Wrex's job.

[cedardryad]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cedardryad wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

 Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs,

I didn't trust Miranda enough to believe she got rid of them. She kept mentioning how she didn't answer to me. I would let Mordin do a sweep because he has no previous ties with Cerberus.

I made it known it was my ship, and it was under my control. Unfotunately, I kept the tech instead of blowing it up to high hell and once again Garrus had to  make me feel guilty. Last game when it came to the Council decision he gave me hell for saving them. He called me "human" with such distaste. I was soooooo pissed. My boyfriend said he could hear my heart breaking.

I know I was going to regret letting TIM get the tech, but I was thinking of having the upper hand here. I also knew that I would eventually have to take on Cerberus and am eager to wipe them out. Besides, in my head I gave the tech to Mordin first so we can have an advantage over Cerberus. I know TIM is just trying to push his human superiority crap on other races and it pisses me off. I hate TIM.

I trust Miranda. At least she was honest about her loyalty lying with TIM and not Shepard throughout the game, and then she resigned and formally allied herself with Shep, for better or worse. Mordin could do it just as well, I guess, but Miranda knows how TIM thinks, so she was my first thought for helping de-Cerberus the place.

I don't remember whether Garrus was for or against keeping the base when I went, but he was definitely against saving the council in my ME1 playthrough. Never heard the 'human' line.

It was along the line of "I hope you know what you're doing, human." Oh just to think of it hurts. I think it was when I decided to kill off the council. I reloaded and picked the middle answer just so I wouldn't get both Wrex and Garrus mad at me. He basically gave me the dame thing minus the 'human' part when I saved the base. Man, I just can't get on his good side. I had Grunt with me here and Wrex with me in the end of the first game and somehow both Krogans are more understanding of my decision.

Modifié par cedardryad, 25 février 2010 - 01:22 .

[silentstephi]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

cedardryad wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

 Had Miranda sweep the ship for his bugs,

I didn't trust Miranda enough to believe she got rid of them. She kept mentioning how she didn't answer to me. I would let Mordin do a sweep because he has no previous ties with Cerberus.

I made it known it was my ship, and it was under my control. Unfotunately, I kept the tech instead of blowing it up to high hell and once again Garrus had to  make me feel guilty. Last game when it came to the Council decision he gave me hell for saving them. He called me "human" with such distaste. I was soooooo pissed. My boyfriend said he could hear my heart breaking.

I know I was going to regret letting TIM get the tech, but I was thinking of having the upper hand here. I also knew that I would eventually have to take on Cerberus and am eager to wipe them out. Besides, in my head I gave the tech to Mordin first so we can have an advantage over Cerberus. I know TIM is just trying to push his human superiority crap on other races and it pisses me off. I hate TIM.

I trust Miranda. At least she was honest about her loyalty lying with TIM and not Shepard throughout the game, and then she resigned and formally allied herself with Shep, for better or worse. Mordin could do it just as well, I guess, but Miranda knows how TIM thinks, so she was my first thought for helping de-Cerberus the place.

I don't remember whether Garrus was for or against keeping the base when I went, but he was definitely against saving the council in my ME1 playthrough. Never heard the 'human' line.

I actually saw Garrus give the "human" line in my husband's latest playthrough.  He had Tali giving him the "but the humans!" with Garrus giving the counter arguement.

As for the base, so far, I've heard him give just the opinion that so many lives have already been sacrificed, it would be a waste not to recognize that.  But that's only after I chose the first renegade option, where I looked like I was considering keeping the base.

[siltsonata]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Okay, I got to bring up something.

Why does everyone seem to hate Kelly, or at least cast aspersions about her sex life? A guy does what she does and he's self-confident, smooth with the laides, heck, 'stud' isn't even a bad word.  We talk cheerfully about Garrus being Kelly's level of comfortable with his sex, his sexuality and his existance as a sexual being.

HELLO, Big Odd Tree alert! 

I remember being told as a child that women could not be prime minister or president, because it was a man's job - and then we saw Golda Meir and (*twitchy reaction*) Margaret Thatcher. 

It just bugs me that because Kelly is comfortable with her sex, sexuality and existance as a sexual being, people bash her. She backed away from Garrus and said we'd be such a cute couple when I said "Yeah about that - MINE"!  She is a good and true friend and BioWare pissed me off when she got liquidated. (Yeah, I went back and changed that nonsense!) And not to put a fine point on it, but it gets brought up about how all the LIs pretty much want Shep to fix their problems - Kelly is the one who asks Shep how s/he is doing after Horizon and such.

I'm not trying to change minds about Kelly, just trying to point out that if the hate comes from her perceived promiscuity, that's pretty silly.

I love Kelly.  I also love to make fun of Kelly.   *shrug*

Kelly makes me happy because I have been religiously questing for a Gal Pal since ME1.  Ash didn't seem like she'd put up with too much of that nonsense, Jack kept telling me to **** off (And I was reaaaally <_< about that, because she and my Paragade Shepard have that Super**** thing going on, I thought they'd make good friends), Miranda's focused on the Job, Tali also seems a bit more professional...

But with Kelly: My quest is over.
Kelly and Shepard are totally going clubbin' on the Citadel when the Collector Base mission is finished.

(*Achievement Unlocked: Like, Girls Night Out!*)
(...Man, if I could draw.  All the Normandy Girls out on the town, Only Kelly and Shepard looking like they're having fun...)