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[-M-]

Guys with mandibles and flanging voices.

[Collider]

Welcome to thread -M-

[WarlordFil]

-M- wrote...

Guys with mandibles and flanging voices.

Yes.  My husband is concerned.

I prefer to play Halo in cooperative campaign or ODST Firefight.  I like playing WITH my friends instead of AGAINST them and by playing with friends I don't have to deal with butt-heads.

[-M-]

Yay, thank you! I enjoy rolling around in the fluffiness of Garrus love with you guys!

[Kotori Ky]

New people!



Back to Insanity Infiltrator time. Woohoo. (Thank goodness I got more sours mix...)

[Twilight_Princess]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

I have never played Halo. Am I a bad person now?
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If you ask me I'd say it's better to not have played halo well at least the multiplayer. That's the game that made me quit shooters and go to RPGs. It just has the biggest collection of morons, perverts and cheaters of any game ever made. Besides it's not as long or as interesting as Mass Effect.

lol. I had a brief liason with Halo after hearing about how it is 'TEH BEST GAME EVAR!' from, well, everyone. I'm not a massive FPS person to begin with (moar story, pls?), but I found the online componant of it to be just awful. Like, really, really irritiating. (espeically if you are a girl - all you get is "Oh, you're such a boy pretending to be a girl. You have a stupid high voice. You're gay, you are." etc, etc. It's terrbily depressing. )Moreover, whenever you actually play well and kill someon, they down your rep and spam you hate-msgs. Some of the spamming that goes on borders on impressive: I was once forced to listen as 2 (I assume teenaged) guys 'masterbated' throughout a playthrough. Now I'm fairly sure they were just hitting their microphones weirdly, but either way they kept this up for the best part of an hour. That is stamina no matter which way you throw it! lol
I switched onto the single player, but the lack of interesting story (plus the fact that is is a crazy short game, which gets frustratingly repetitve) made me think 'meh.' I am not a Halo person. lol But, each to their own. What makes me laugh is the amount of people who have re-recommended it to me since ME2 came out (But you love Mass Effect 2, so if you like shooters, you'll love the best shooter ever!). Maybe it's 'cos I'm an RPGer, but I've always seen ME as an RPG game at it's core, with the combat containing lots of strong shooter elements. I realise that there are lots of people (in my experience, more FPSers) who view ME as a shooter with elements of RPG in it. I think that's why it has such wide appeal. However, it's worth remembering this whenever someone recommends a game to you on the basis that you like Mass Effect: which side of the lien do they fall? lol 9incidenrtly, this is also where a lot of the tension comes in between players griping that there isn't enough character based stuff for an RPG, vs the people who complain that the combat is 'too easy'. They are comparing it to two different game types)

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Yeah people in Halo can be pretty weird. Girls in halo or in most multiplayer games are rare. Those people think that video games were made for males. I don't see how anybody could think that way. Just look at ME2 with so many options for both genders and with so many fans of both genders. I like Halo's single player, I have all 3 games but unfortunately the quality of the single player goes down each time you go up a game. Halo 1 had a very good story and the best single player out of the 3. I would play them more often just for the SP but I burned them out a long time ago. That is not up to my standards, with Mass Effect I almost played an year without stopping at least once a week, I would have played it for an entire year if my old stupid xbox wouldn't have died. It was also too bad that it took me so much time to realize female characters are so much fun to play as otherwise I would have had more than the 2 I have now.

As for ME2, I've been doing lots of interesting things lately. Thanks to the save editor that allows modding on the 360 I've been changing lots of stuff and have been accesing unacessible hair styles and eye colors. I wonder if Garrus likes girls with yellow eyes.

Bioware games are proof that if you actually acknowledge the female audience, respect them , they will buy the product and enjoy it just like the fellas. That's why I never buy that lame argument that acknowledging female gamers when making a game is a waste of time since "girls don't play games". We do chaps , its just if you make an environment toxic enough we don't feel like playing. Case in point , hearing a numerous guys calling me vulgar names and telling others to go "easy on me" when I'm just trying to play halo like they are, is EXTREMELY off-putting and makes me not want to play online sometimes. Some women get scared off by the blatant sexism  and by not playing because of it, it reinforces the view that "girls don't play games" .Its an annoying cycle.

That's why DAO and Mass Effect was so bloody refreshing for me, playing as my warden and my femshep made me feel strong and respected.

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Very very possible that eventually the population split between male and female gamers may become roughly equal. They've already started making games with female gamers in mind, whether as the primary audience or something more akin to Bioware games where you choose the gender of the protagonist. Those kinds of things will surely help the demographics even out. I know I like playing as male if I can help it.

[Resuka]

Posting this just to add another voice to the clamor- THANK YOU Bioware for making my ME1 dreams come true, and giving my Shep a chance to romance the most awesome guy in the galaxy. Hoping for a chance, even a slim one, that there can be a happy ending for them in 3...



Mmmmmandibles.

[Collider]

I don't think we need to worry about the happy ending for the Garrus romance. The complications in his romance aren't too bad.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Collider wrote...

Very very possible that eventually the population split between male and female gamers may become roughly equal. They've already started making games with female gamers in mind, whether as the primary audience or something more akin to Bioware games where you choose the gender of the protagonist. Those kinds of things will surely help the demographics even out. I know I like playing as male if I can help it.

Well Gears of War 3 is getting a female gear. I just hope people don't start using her just to look at her "features" since people in those kinds of games do that. I really hate people who just play as females just to see that or to romance other females like certain people in the male fanbase.

[binaryemperor]

Garrus is my (b)romance in every game.

[Collider]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Very very possible that eventually the population split between male and female gamers may become roughly equal. They've already started making games with female gamers in mind, whether as the primary audience or something more akin to Bioware games where you choose the gender of the protagonist. Those kinds of things will surely help the demographics even out. I know I like playing as male if I can help it.

Well Gears of War 3 is getting a female gear. I just hope people don't start using her just to look at her "features" since people in those kinds of games do that. I really hate people who just play as females just to see that or to romance other females like certain people in the male fanbase.

Agree with you 100%. A lot of their arguments are fail...I've seen people say they do it so they don't have to stare at the male character's ass all the time. First of all, if you're a straight guy, why are you even looking there in the first place?

As to Gears of War 3 getting a female character...no comment. I just hope her armor (ie. segments mysteriously missing to show skin) isn't less protective just for fanservice.

[siltsonata]

RPGmom28 wrote...

We must band together on the survivor poll to keep Garrus alive. I mean, Mordin is cool and all, but... but... Garrus! Ya know?

...I feel like I want to make a Sophie's Choice joke here.  

 Regardless: DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE.  It would probably end in me frantically looking from one to the other before shooting myself in the head to fix the problem.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

You don't vote the Professor off Gilligan's Island.

There's also that.

Kotori Ky wrote...

New people!

Back to Insanity Infiltrator time. Woohoo. (Thank goodness I got more sours mix...)

*insert drunkie joke here*

Collider wrote...

Very very possible that eventually the population split between male and female gamers may become roughly equal. They've already started making games with female gamers in mind, whether as the primary audience or something more akin to Bioware games where you choose the gender of the protagonist. Those kinds of things will surely help the demographics even out. I know I like playing as male if I can help it.

When I first started running into guys who found out how much loved video games, they would always say "Wow, that's so cool, I've never met a girl who was into video games before." And back then, that was cool and it made me feel special.  I had self esteem issues, all right, not the point of the anecdote.

But now, I still get that a lot and it's getting bloody tiring because HELLO, no, we're really not that much of a rarity.  About 40% of gamers are female.  That's not a majority, but it's a pretty fair chunk of the pie.  So now instead of being flattered when a guy makes a comment like that, I get almost angry. "It's just, girls like you are rare." I tell him no, they're not, open your guddamn eyes. 

I had a point in mind here before I went off into rantville, what was iiiiit....

Right. 

I do expect the proportion to become equal in the future, but I'm a little wary of designers starting to make games "with women in mind" because you know that 's going to lead to so pretty crap games.  I'm much happier with games like ME2 that are made for both sexes, with options that can make the experience richer for me.  I don't want to have games made especially for me because I'm female, I want to play the games that I see as fun and entertaining and worth my while (that's not to say the gaming industry couldn't make a female-oriented game that rocked ass, but I've got my skeptical face on).  

Dear lord, what was that mess up there^. I'm sorry if that didn't make any sense at all.

[Collider]

Well what I meant by "with female gamers in mind" was considering that some players may be female and may enjoy things like choosing the gender of the protagonist and romances if their character's gender is female. I do agree that games with one gender in mind tend to be gimmicky as hell and are crap. But those young girls playing those crappy games may grow up and still play games (and hopefully better games), thus narrowing the gap between male and females. Just a thought.

[kglaser]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Let this be a lesson to you then: Always Lie.

Ray Is Wise. /sagenod

edited to add:  Welcome, -M-!  Happy to see you here!
And about that image you posted--you have succeeded in posting a turian image I've never seen before, which is really cool in itself, LOL...but also, it's really neat, like a turian head X-ray.

Modifié par kglaser, 20 avril 2010 - 03:12 .

[siltsonata]

Collider wrote...

Well what I meant by "with female gamers in mind" was considering that some players may be female and may enjoy things like choosing the gender of the protagonist and romances if their character's gender is female. I do agree that games with one gender in mind tend to be gimmicky as hell and are crap. But those young girls playing those crappy games may grow up and still play games (and hopefully better games), thus narrowing the gap between male and females. Just a thought.

Gotcha.  Good point in the bold, too. (Is it sad that I'm reminded of Twilight?)

[Evander]

siltsonata wrote...
So now instead of being flattered when a guy makes a comment like that, I get almost angry. "It's just, girls like you are rare." I tell him no, they're not, open your guddamn eyes.

Definitely not as rare as they'd like to think, but then I'm not sure what proportion of the male population classifies themselves as gamers that would make a slightly lower proportion of the female population classifying themselves as gamers a rarity.

Myself, I just find amusement in watching how 14 year-old boys go out of their way to white knight for my sister on XBL. Good times.

But I agree, storytelling should be paramount when it comes to a game, not something that comes second in an attempt to tailor a game to a target demographic.

Does it hurt that introducing male characters as love interests allows the player to view a different facet of their psyches?

No, it doesn't. Some chafing, though...

EDIT:

siltsonata wrote...
(Is it sad that I'm reminded of Twilight?)

A GENERATION, RUINED.  Even myself, I'm contemplating making "Team Garrus" banners to be ridiculous.

Modifié par Evander, 20 avril 2010 - 03:19 .

[Collider]

At least those girls are reading...if they weren't already. Of course, I'd have liked it if they started reading with something better, but if it starts them on the path to reading other, better written books, no sweat. Preferably without lingering obsession for Edward.

[kglaser]

If I had any daughters, I'd definitely have them as hopeless gaming junkies eventually, like me (not a brag or a complaint, just a probable outcome). I only have sons, however. Hopefully I can set the example anyway that not everyone who plays games is male and under the age of 22.

[kraidy1117]

kglaser wrote...

If I had any daughters, I'd definitely have them as hopeless gaming junkies eventually, like me (not a brag or a complaint, just a probable outcome). I only have sons, however. Hopefully I can set the example anyway that not everyone who plays games is male and under the age of 22.

I can prove your point. I am 32, male but your age point is true.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 20 avril 2010 - 03:31 .

[kglaser]

Excellent!

And there was a lack of Garrus in my last post, so I'll just say that I have the "Garrus imagines a cupcake during Tali's loyalty mission" desktop, and I got sick of all my icons obscuring it so I just created a folder called "EVERYTHING" and shoved everything I could in there. Now I can giggle every time I look at my monitor. hehehe

[Kotori Ky]

Kiss kiss, Siltsonata. Must keep up appearances, after all.



I loved being in college and working part time at GameStop. The 'You can't work here... you're a GIRL' was said to me several times. By older men. I just stood there and looked up at them(I'm only 5'1" and tiny) and smiled sweetly before asking what games/systems they had, then listed off what I owned and then told them I would let my manager assist them instead. Her name was Brandy. I LOVED the looks on their faces.

[kglaser]

You know, I've been in plenty of GameStops, and I've seen 1 (ONE) female employee there. It may be something about the area where I live, I don't know, or maybe I was just coming in on the wrong days.

Coincidentally, the one female employee I saw was the one who sold me ME2.

[kraidy1117]

kglaser wrote...

You know, I've been in plenty of GameStops, and I've seen 1 (ONE) female employee there. It may be something about the area where I live, I don't know, or maybe I was just coming in on the wrong days.
Coincidentally, the one female employee I saw was the one who sold me ME2.

Maybe she was a Garrus fan

[Sand King]

kraidy1117 wrote...

kglaser wrote...

You know, I've been in plenty of GameStops, and I've seen 1 (ONE) female employee there. It may be something about the area where I live, I don't know, or maybe I was just coming in on the wrong days.
Coincidentally, the one female employee I saw was the one who sold me ME2.

Maybe she was a Garrus fan

or likes Mountain Dew.