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[ThatDancingTurian]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

For example, she's typified as a 'skank', while Jacob is just a 'dawg /sly-grin'. (Nevermind my own opinion of Jacob as an LI!  I do like him as a character, though, I just wish BW didn't make him so cheese-filled as an LI.)

Oh come on, the only thing I've ever heard people call Jacob in regards to the romance is sleazy and/or a rapist. I've not heard anyone say he was sly or good with the ladies or whatever. There's no gender bias going on here.

EDIT: Just to clarify, the 'rapist' thing comes from people saying he leers at her like a rapist, not actually equating the romance to such. 8D;

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 25 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[Tootles FTW]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Shepard assembles a crew of the best people possible.  She isn't going to fight crime with crime.  If she succeeds, she saves the entire galaxy.  Garrus assembles a team of whoever he can get, then starts actively ticking off mercenaries in a place that is already lawless--practically everyone on Omega is a criminal.  Vigilantism is a crime in itself, so really he's just one of them, only now he's got all of the other criminals after him.

So yes, I'd say there's probably some better way he could have gone about it.  I'm not saying I know how, of course, but it stands to reason that the proper way to fight crime is not with more crime.

But, but, but Batman tells me that this behavior is right and just! 

Edit: Ref. Jacob -    I think that poor man gets way more legitimate crap thrown at him than Kelly. 

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 25 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[aznsoisauce]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Shepard assembles a crew of the best people possible.  She isn't going to fight crime with crime.  If she succeeds, she saves the entire galaxy.  Garrus assembles a team of whoever he can get, then starts actively ticking off mercenaries in a place that is already lawless--practically everyone on Omega is a criminal.  Vigilantism is a crime in itself, so really he's just one of them, only now he's got all of the other criminals after him.

So yes, I'd say there's probably some better way he could have gone about it.  I'm not saying I know how, of course, but it stands to reason that the proper way to fight crime is not with more crime.

But, but, but Batman tells me that this behavior is right and just! 

Edit: Ref. Jacob -    I think that poor man gets way more legitimate crap thrown at him than Kelly. 

I like to compare Garrus to the Punisher rather than Batman.
Batman doesn't kill people.
XD

[ThatDancingTurian]

I think Garrus fans equate him with Batman because the bat is more universally recognized as the definition of awesome. So in that regard... Garrus is totally Batman. xD

True, Jacob actually gets the most flak on the forum than anyone except for maybe Zaeed. Even BW doesn't like him, obviously, since they didn't promote him at all and didn't even give him a Fight for the Lost vid. Poor Jacob!

EDIT: Wait. This is the Garrus thread. Why am I complaining about no FftL for Jacob? More promoting Garrus, BioWare!

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 25 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[Tootles FTW]

aznsoisauce wrote...
I like to compare Garrus to the Punisher rather than Batman.
Batman doesn't kill people.
XD

I don't confess to know a lot about the Punisher, but last I checked...isn't he like bat**** crazy?    Though that skull symbol would look awesome on Garrus's armor.

Speaking of, in ME3 do you want to be able to micromanage your squad's armor again (like in ME1) or do you want them to stick to unique, though unalterable, costumes (like in ME2)?  I hope they all retain their unique outfits, only you can switch up the colors.

[Ms Cherissa]

cedardryad wrote...
True dat. I was meticulous(sp?) about feeding the fish. My boyfriend/walking husband(I'll call him hubby) made fun of me for that. I love animals, even the virtual ones.

I was actually worried I'd kill them by overfeeding them. I guess space fish need to eat lots, like biotics?

[cedardryad]

You know, with all this alien love talk, I'm reminded of the movie, "Earth Girls are Easy."

[Tootles FTW]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I think Garrus fans equate him with Batman because the bat is more universally recognized as the definition of awesome. So in that regard... Garrus is totally Batman. xD

True, Jacob actually gets the most flak on the forum than anyone except for maybe Zaeed. Even BW doesn't like him, obviously, since they didn't promote him at all and didn't even give him a Fight for the Lost vid. Poor Jacob!

EDIT: Wait. This is the Garrus thread. Why am I complaining about no FftL for Jacob? More promoting Garrus, BioWare!

Seriously. Where is our Garrus profile page, Bioware?!    I hold out some strange belief that since tomorrow (the 26th) is the one-month anniversary of ME2's release they'll finally give us some official Garrus goodies on the website.

[tmp7704]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Shepard assembles a crew of the best people possible.  She isn't going to fight crime with crime.  If she succeeds, she saves the entire galaxy.  Garrus assembles a team of whoever he can get, then starts actively ticking off mercenaries in a place that is already lawless--practically everyone on Omega is a criminal.  Vigilantism is a crime in itself, so really he's just one of them, only now he's got all of the other criminals after him.

Shepard is working with the best people she can get. Garrus is also working with the best people he can get -- his resources are simply much more limited given he is lacking support of a powerful shady organization (or the whole power of the Council government in the first game).

Vigilantism is considered a crime in situation where it breaks existing law system. But on Omega there is no such thing as existing law system. As you recognize yourself it is an entirely lawless environment, and so he doesn't actually commit any crimes there by doing what he does. Technically the people he goes after don't commit any crimes there as well, for the same reason. What's happening there is Garrus attempts to protect the innocent people from harm, by damaging the criminals' ability to cause that harm. And it's hardly true everyone on Omega is a criminal -- Shepard meets quite a few decent people herself, and Garrus mentions many more such people were grateful for what he's been achieving there.

So really, what exactly is it that he's doing wrong? He's trying to protect people. He is not breaking any laws doing so. He's working with whatever resources he's got available. Yes it's a dangerous work but that's normal and pretty much unavoidable part of the job when one is trying to fight determined criminals. But how's any of this somehow a proof he's got "horrible judgment"?

[siltsonata]

Tootles FTW wrote...
Speaking of, in ME3 do you want to be able to micromanage your squad's armor again (like in ME1) or do you want them to stick to unique, though unalterable, costumes (like in ME2)?  I hope they all retain their unique outfits, only you can switch up the colors.

I like their signature costumes, I just want more practical ones.  Garrus needs his armor fixed, and everybody else needs some freakin' ARMOR. Jeebus.

cedardryad wrote...

You know, with all this alien love talk, I'm reminded of the movie, "Earth Girls are Easy."

Hottest Jeff Goldblum ever. (Never thought I'd say that.)

[charles shepherd]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

  I'm thinking that turians also wear clothing for modesty reasons, though.  If male turians use urinals (here's looking at you, scene that happens if you make Shepard overindulge in alcohol), and know that the groin is the place to strike on a male human (really, Garrus, did you have to get Harkin where it hurt?), then I'd tend to assume that their private parts are located in the same general area as those of humans.  Aside from this being reasonably good evidence  in favor that Garrus and Femme-Shep do in fact have sex if you romance Garrus, they'd probably want to cover those parts of their anatomy to keep other turians from staring.  I'm also assuming that male and female turians look relatively similar at a glance to humans (they probably have approximately the same torso build as they evolved from avians, which tend to have a large breastbone to hold the muscles that power flight), but they may also be covering up secondary sex traits.  For instance, those spurs on their legs might be one such trait--which would be why they always put clothing over them, much the same as the majority of women don't run around topless in the real world.

I don't know about that. Most other species would probably just have some sort of "sheath". Without going into much detail, think about pretty much every other animal. Most of them have some sort of sheath that conceals/protects their equipment from the harsh environment. In fact, I think primates may be the only animals without some sort of sheath. So yeah, I don't think male Turians would have that problem.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I don't confess to know a lot about the Punisher, but last I checked...isn't he like bat**** crazy?    Though that skull symbol would look awesome on Garrus's armor.

Speaking of, in ME3 do you want to be able to micromanage your squad's armor again (like in ME1) or do you want them to stick to unique, though unalterable, costumes (like in ME2)?  I hope they all retain their unique outfits, only you can switch up the colors.

I too am not familiar with the Punisher. The closest I got to seeing him in anything was a severely watered down appearance for the old 90's Spider-man cartoon. ::dork:: If I remember correctly he's not exactly crazy (like, not Deadpool or Venom crazy), he just sees things as very black and white... mostly black. His family was murdered, so he went on a rampage and now when people do bad things, he kills them (and then kills them again, just for good measure), he doesn't mull it over or get all preachy like, say, Spider-man.

I want to stick with the unique costumes system. It was nice coordinating my team and all, but if I didn't have unified versions for everyone it bugged me to death. "GAH! I can't take Tali! She's in Colossus, and everyone else is in Predator!"

I also think the individual costumes give the characters more personality. Ash just looks more like Ash in her white and pink, and Garrus looks more Garrus in black and blue. I was so sad that I never got another black and blue armor to use on him.

[Tootles FTW]

charles shepherd wrote...
I don't know about that. Most other species would probably just have some sort of "sheath". Without going into much detail, think about pretty much every other animal. Most of them have some sort of sheath that conceals/protects their equipment from the harsh environment. In fact, I think primates may be the only animals without some sort of sheath. So yeah, I don't think male Turians would have that problem.

........are you referring to a sheath like I think you're referring to a sheath?  ....I....Garrus...he....TURIANS DO NOT HAVE DOG WEINERS! 

[cedardryad]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Shepard assembles a crew of the best people possible.  She isn't going to fight crime with crime.  If she succeeds, she saves the entire galaxy.  Garrus assembles a team of whoever he can get, then starts actively ticking off mercenaries in a place that is already lawless--practically everyone on Omega is a criminal.  Vigilantism is a crime in itself, so really he's just one of them, only now he's got all of the other criminals after him.

So yes, I'd say there's probably some better way he could have gone about it.  I'm not saying I know how, of course, but it stands to reason that the proper way to fight crime is not with more crime.

But, but, but Batman tells me that this behavior is right and just! 

Edit: Ref. Jacob -    I think that poor man gets way more legitimate crap thrown at him than Kelly. 

I like to compare Garrus to the Punisher rather than Batman.
Batman doesn't kill people.
XD

Batman once strapped a bomb to a fat lady and fed her to the Blob that was taking over Gotham. Sooooo, yeah. Then again she was in the process of being eaten and asked for it. My hubby tells me that the Golden Age Batman killed people. This one considered it, but hasn't.

I know people will argue with me on this, but how about Aquaman? Aquaman is actually quite badass, but people don't think so. The JLU cartoon actually did a good job of showing him as such.

[Tootles FTW]

cedardryad wrote...
Batman once strapped a bomb to a fat lady and fed her to the Blob that was taking over Gotham. Sooooo, yeah. Then again she was in the process of being eaten and asked for it. My hubby tells me that the Golden Age Batman killed people. This one considered it, but hasn't.

I know people will argue with me on this, but how about Aquaman? Aquaman is actually quite badass, but people don't think so. The JLU cartoon actually did a good job of showing him as such.

Okay, if we're seriously digressing into badass comic book characters then I just have to insert mutha-f-ing Hawkman into the conversation and thus win at life.

[siltsonata]

charles shepherd wrote...
I don't know about that. Most other species would probably just have some sort of "sheath". Without going into much detail, think about pretty much every other animal. Most of them have some sort of sheath that conceals/protects their equipment from the harsh environment. In fact, I think primates may be the only animals without some sort of sheath. So yeah, I don't think male Turians would have that problem.

Yeah.  More than that even, I feel like what with the radiation on Palaven, it wouldn't make sense to have dangly parts that regularly extend beyond the protective plating that they worked so hard to evolve.

(This is one of those things I never would have ever thought I'd think about. My brain has certainly gone unexpected direction since Mass Effect came out. )

EDIT: Wait...unless said danglyparts have plating themselves.  Oh dear lord.  Mordin's chafing conversation just got taken to a whole new level. 

Modifié par siltsonata, 25 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

So...getting away from the awkward topic of Garrus being naked,



I want to see Garrus getting wasted, he deserves to have a little fun in his sad depressing life that he has endured.



I mean damn it he even brought up wine to the captain's quarters, why didn't Shep and Garrus drink it? >=(

[Briallen]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

What he was doing may have been right--trying to bring law to a lawless place.  However, he went about it the wrong way and nearly got himself killed as a result.

How do you figure it was the 'wrong way to go about it' actually? If it's just because it nearly got him killed then like pointed out, Shepard's own ways to fight the Reaper threat also get her killed and not "nearly" but so well it then took few billions and a renegage organization to bring her back. Does it mean Shepard was fighting the Reapers wrong way, too?

Shepard assembles a crew of the best people possible.  She isn't going to fight crime with crime.  If she succeeds, she saves the entire galaxy.  Garrus assembles a team of whoever he can get, then starts actively ticking off mercenaries in a place that is already lawless--practically everyone on Omega is a criminal.  Vigilantism is a crime in itself, so really he's just one of them, only now he's got all of the other criminals after him.

So yes, I'd say there's probably some better way he could have gone about it.  I'm not saying I know how, of course, but it stands to reason that the proper way to fight crime is not with more crime.

I didn't get the impression that Garrus' team consisted of "whoever he could get." Granted, we didn't get in-depth profiles on all his team members, but from the way he described them it certainly sounded like they were all at least competent in their roles. And really, if you think about it, Shepard's team in ME1 didn't exactly consist of "the best people possible" either, especially when you consider that a combat-inexperienced archaeologist and a quarian teenager were among them (even though they later retconned Tali to not be a teenager).

I also don't agree that Garrus was essentially just another criminal. You can basically have that exact conversation with him -- tell him that it sounds like he was just running another gang, and he makes it clear that his group handled itself differently than the mercs he was fighting against.

[Ms Cherissa]

cedardryad wrote...
I know people will argue with me on this, but how about Aquaman? Aquaman is actually quite badass, but people don't think so. The JLU cartoon actually did a good job of showing him as such.

Arthur? Nah. Arthur just has rage and largely unjustified angst. Not the same as badassery. J'onn J'onzz is a badass though.

Speaking of comics, I'd really love to see BW/Dark Horse give each of the squad mates a one-shot comic at some point. Obviously I'd make grabbyhands at a Garrus title, but which squadmates for ME and ME2 would you want to see most?  For me, I'd want to see Zaeed. I don't take him anywhere much, and I wish he actually conversed instead of reminisced at you, but he's really entertaining. (Conversely, I adore Legion but a one-shot comic with him seems like it'd be a little dull.)

And I'd kinda like to see that story Jytra is working on at http://social.biowar...ndex/1296298/42 (towards the bottom of the page)  as the Garrus one-shot. Hey. I can wish.

[cedardryad]

I personally don't like Hawkman because he's pretty damned conservative, but of course that has nothing to do with the amount of badassness. He has had more consistent moments, but all of the previously mentioned people have had varying degrees of such. Aquaman once threw a polar bear at sealers.
I would also to submit Black Adam, but then again I don't see Garrus going as far as BA did if Shepard got killed.
I would like to think that Garrus could be Deadshot, because I think Deadshot is sexy and well he's great with guns. Garrus is a sniper, but the similarities end there seeing as Deadshot is more on the villain side.

@ Ms Cherissa: I <3 J'onn. Oh my god I have the hugest crush on him. So sexy, and green.

Modifié par cedardryad, 25 février 2010 - 06:00 .

[Nyaore]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So...getting away from the awkward topic of Garrus being naked,

I want to see Garrus getting wasted, he deserves to have a little fun in his sad depressing life that he has endured.

I mean damn it he even brought up wine to the captain's quarters, why didn't Shep and Garrus drink it? >=(

I support this. Drunken Garrus offers so many opportunities for hilarious hijinx. xD Hmm... I smell a fanfiction idea brewing up...

[Ms Cherissa]

Tootles FTW wrote...
Okay, if we're seriously digressing into badass comic book characters then I just have to insert mutha-f-ing Hawkman into the conversation and thus win at life.

Agreed, but... which versions? The ones tied into all the Dr. Fate and Black Adam stuff? I see some similarities between Katar Hol and Garrus, oddly enough, though that may just be the 'cops from space' background.

[siltsonata]

Nyaore wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So...getting away from the awkward topic of Garrus being naked,

I want to see Garrus getting wasted, he deserves to have a little fun in his sad depressing life that he has endured.

I mean damn it he even brought up wine to the captain's quarters, why didn't Shep and Garrus drink it? >=(

I support this. Drunken Garrus offers so many opportunities for hilarious hijinx. xD Hmm... I smell a fanfiction idea brewing up...

Eh.  Drunk people are only funny for me on rare occasions.  I'm not sure it'd be too flattering for Garrus.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Nyaore wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So...getting away from the awkward topic of Garrus being naked,

I want to see Garrus getting wasted, he deserves to have a little fun in his sad depressing life that he has endured.

I mean damn it he even brought up wine to the captain's quarters, why didn't Shep and Garrus drink it? >=(

I support this. Drunken Garrus offers so many opportunities for hilarious hijinx. xD Hmm... I smell a fanfiction idea brewing up...

I actually support getting everyone wasted...even Joker and Legion

.....

Okay maybe just joker.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

siltsonata wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So...getting away from the awkward topic of Garrus being naked,

I want to see Garrus getting wasted, he deserves to have a little fun in his sad depressing life that he has endured.

I mean damn it he even brought up wine to the captain's quarters, why didn't Shep and Garrus drink it? >=(

I support this. Drunken Garrus offers so many opportunities for hilarious hijinx. xD Hmm... I smell a fanfiction idea brewing up...

Eh.  Drunk people are only funny for me on rare occasions.  I'm not sure it'd be too flattering for Garrus.

Oh nonsense, Garrus is going to be the "I love you" man to either Male Shepard or Joker, and then trip a couple of times.