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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Happy Hour is when alcoholic drinks cost less. And every hour in the Garrus thread is Happy Hour.

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On a side note, how hilarious is it that the OP of that stupid "BIOWARE LIED" thread yesterday was the one who got yelled at by the mod when he reported it to be closed? Man that was a great thread.

We've got such gems in this forum. :l
In the ME1 storyline discussion forum, there is a thread called "What's the point of black people?" which for some reason hasn't been locked yet :C

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Gosh... The internet never disappoints.



But seriously I enjoyed that thread, take a gander. Be sure to read the last comment from the moderator. I laughed out loud and cheered.

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Hata's be hatin'.



I can't get over the Garrus wine. I wonder WTF was going through the winery's heads when they named it. I can only think "Garrison...."

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WarlordFil wrote...

Hata's be hatin'.

I can't get over the Garrus wine. I wonder WTF was going through the winery's heads when they named it. I can only think "Garrison...."


I still hold that "garrison" is the origin of the character name, but looking up Garrus wine, it seems the French surname "Garrus" is also sometimes spelled "Harris" which means "son of Harry."  Maybe Garrus's dad is named Garry?!

Also LOL at the fact that when you google "Garrus wine," the first result is a wine company and the second result is this thread, followed by two other Vakarian-related links.

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It's Brass Buckles' Random Observation Time again.

Okay, so replaying ME1 and taking more notice in ME2, I realized, a lot of turians I would think are more aged have "heavier" mandibles. Garrus has lighter mandibles. I think the fringe may be longer or shorter due to age as well, so that turians with heavier, longer mandibles and longer fringes tend to be older.

I also notice that in ME1, at least, enemy turians' fangs show more than Garrus's (or any other more friendly turian's) due to the mandible shape, and most of them also have heavier mandibles. It's kind of like the turian equivalent of wearing a black hat in an old Western, except a lot of the "bad" turians are also bare-faced.

If it's not an age thing, it might be a turian variant of having a "strong chin." I would guess it's more a masculine trait to have a heavier/thicker set of mandibles, but since there are NPC turians with the lighter mandibles (similar to Garrus, but most NPCs have longer or differently shaped mandibles even if they are thinner) and the ones with heavier ones tend to be authority figures whom you'd assume would be older (like Pallin, Chellick, and the turian Councilor), I tend to lean toward age.

Anyway, guess what I'm saying boils down to: turians, even the NPCs, can be as distinctive as the human NPCs in game if you look closely. Yes, there are some generic ones, just like there are generic human NPCs, but there's also quite a bit of variety. Garrus is quite distinctive, due to his short, thin mandibles (shows that he is young most likely), long fringe (indicating he's not quite that young, maybe?), his coloration, and his face paint. There isn't another character to be found who will look quite like Garrus. But he is not by any means the only distinctive turian NPC.

Also noted while replaying: At least in ME1, it doesn't seem that rare for turian males to have a thing for non-turian females. One of Saren's thugs was coming on to Tali in a creepy way, and there are more turians than Septimus who are into asari. One of them comes on to Femshep, but maybe only because he is drunk. The general evidence actually makes Garrus's "Are we crazy?" spiel during his romance in ME2 look kind of weird, unless it stems from general anti-human sentiment within the turians as a whole. Again, evidence would indicate he's mostly worried what Shepard really wants--but I can't be too sure. Then again, all the species are into asari and quarians might be slightly less weird to turians than humans.

And I guess that's all of my randomness for the night.

Edited to add:  I have my suspicions that the thicker, longer mandibles would probably be considered more attractive by turian females than thinner, shorter mandibles like Garrus's, seeing as they do tend to appear more on authority figures, and we know how big turians are on authority and respect.  No, not all women find power attractive, but a lot do.  Given turian culture I'd find it very difficult to believe that female turians did not find power appealing.

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Interesting observations. Regarding interspecies relations, asari are weird like that and that one guy was a creep anyway. I think it would still be a strange pairing due to political tension between humans and turians and the newness of humans on the galactic stage. And seeing as he says he's not a fetishist, I'm guessing Garrus's taste in women is usually more conservative.

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Would be interesting if in ME3 you get criticized for romancing Garrus or Tali. Turians are disliked by many humans and Turians may not like Shepard being with a turian either. Same goes with Quarians, they tend to be treated poorly.

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Yeah, there's a good opportunity for drama, there. I hope they don't just drop it. And even though we encounter a handful of interspecies relationships, it's not really expounded upon how society in general views them. Is it seen as a juvenile phase or midlife crisis kind of thing? Sowing wild oats--not something to be taken seriously--a popularly accepted deviance--something families won't bring up at dinner...



The humans all seem to balk at it, with the exception of Kelly and Kasumi, but they both seem like particularly laid back women. And lots of the turians you meet seem pretty leery of you.



As for Tali's relationship, I think there would be a lot of resistance from both sides there, too. Though she's currently disconnected from her people, she might be further distanced for cultural and health reasons for having had sex with an outsider. And just about everyone in the galaxy is distrustful of quarians in general, so Shepard could get chewed out for it, too.

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Frankly I doubt there will be drama, unless it's with some thuggish sidequest character who hates the idea of a human-turian couple. I even have my doubts that Garrus's father (assuming he is still alive--it may be that the reason Garrus says nothing about his father is that the man died during the attack on the Citadel, or something) would be that hard on the relationship, at least if you play paragon enough to have a good reputation built up (and maybe if he thinks you've been a good influence on Garrus). The reason I think that you won't get that kind of drama is that A) we'll have drama with ME1 romances, if we romanced someone, and B) the game isn't about your romance, but about saving the galaxy. It may be mentioned in some kind of epilogue or something, but I wouldn't be expecting it in gameplay if I were you.



Back to the mandible thing, some of the turians with thicker mandibles also have them shorter, like Garrus's. Others have them extend out further. Still not sure what it means, if it means anything other than that individual turians look different--unlike volus, elcor, and hanar.

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Garrus' father doesn't like Spectres. Garrus even says that his father wouldn't like Shepard. I'd imagine he would dislike Shepard even more if she's in a relationship with his son. I'm not expecting drama, but I want some drama. Bioware had the right idea with Kasumi, everyone loves to have their romance recognized and acknowledged by other characters.



And that reporter on the Citadel - there's ample potential there. In both ME1 and ME2 she accuses Shepard of being some alien sympathizer. If word gets out (and the entire Normandy seems to know) that Shepard's with Garrus, then I could totally see her giving Shepard **** for it.

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Eh, I wouldn't expect it to be a whole big -thing-, but it'd still be interesting to get some reactions from people. Like how certain NPCs will only say certain things if you have a certain squadmember with you, or did a certain mission. It's all part of your decisions mattering.

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Collider wrote...

Garrus' father doesn't like Spectres. Garrus even says that his father wouldn't like Shepard. I'd imagine he would dislike Shepard even more if she's in a relationship with his son. I'm not expecting drama, but I want some drama. Bioware had the right idea with Kasumi, everyone loves to have their romance recognized and acknowledged by other characters.

And that reporter on the Citadel - there's ample potential there. In both ME1 and ME2 she accuses Shepard of being some alien sympathizer. If word gets out (and the entire Normandy seems to know) that Shepard's with Garrus, then I could totally see her giving Shepard **** for it.


"So Shepard, I hear you are rolling the oats with a Turian."

*Shepard takes out gun and shoots the reporter*

"I should go"

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@Ray: Yes, that is a good point. You can get special dialogue already in ME2 (and maybe to a lesser extent, ME1) depending on who you bring along. That could be extended to romances too. Nothing major, but really, everyone loves getting their romance acknowledged. I think that Kasumi may - if not likely - made those comments because Bioware was reading around. I have a poll about romance in which "other characters recognizing your romance" is the highest voted option. Just a thought. If Bioware had never listened Garrus would probably not be a romance option.

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"So Shepard, I hear you are rolling the oats with a Turian."

*Shepard takes out gun and shoots the reporter*

"I should go"

Yea, I might actually punch the reporter in ME3 if she starts badmouthing Shepard's love interest.

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I would like more acknowledgment from the rest of the crew, as well as more dialogue in general. And if they're all on the same ship together, you'd think that they'd talk to one another more often. Why do I not hear random crew members gossiping about Garrus slipping up to my Shep's quarters? There should also be more scenes like with Tali and Legion or Jack and Miranda--except not all of them should involve characters trying to kill each other. For instance, what if you were to walk in on Miranda and Jacob flirting, if you weren't currently romancing either of them? Or if you leave Ashley alive and don't romance her or Jacob (depending on your Shepard's gender), maybe you could catch those two flirting. Grunt and Garrus should have some kind of scene. I'd like to see Thane and Samara meditating together.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the banter that goes on between characters during missions, but I want more of it, and why are they never interacting aboard the ship?

Even if there weren't an outright interaction scene, why are they always in the same place? I want to wander around the Normandy someday and find everybody in the mess hall eating, or something.

But realistically, much as I want these things, I don't expect them. Resources are not limitless, although I'm sure Bioware will make ME3 as good as they can. I'm hoping for a better story than ME2 and an excellent resolution.

Edited to add:  And really, ALL the romances should say something about it after the final mission.  Not just Jacob and Tali.  Because really, was it just so horrible Garrus wants to forget it?  :o

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Paragon choice: We're all just people.
Renegade choice: (punch her in the mouf)
Sexy choice: C'mere, you (sloppily make out with LI on camera) OM NOM NOM NOM NOM

Edit: Psychonauts had a neat solution for the squad banter.  It's set in a summer camp and in between missions, all the kids would be in different parts of the camp, doing different things, having these different little stories play out.  It was a fun thing to look out for.

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Edited to add:  And really, ALL the romances should say something about it after the final mission.  Not just Jacob and Tali.  Because really, was it just so horrible Garrus wants to forget it?  :o


Poor Garrus has short-term memory loss from rocket-to-the-face syndrome.  Shep just doesn't have the heart to bring it up.

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
Edited to add:  And really, ALL the romances should say something about it after the final mission.  Not just Jacob and Tali.  Because really, was it just so horrible Garrus wants to forget it?  :o


Poor Garrus has short-term memory loss from rocket-to-the-face syndrome.  Shep just doesn't have the heart to bring it up.


Oh so that's why he's always calibrating.  He forgot that he already had...

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Or maybe it's obsessive compulsive disorder. He thought he had just calibrated the guns, but is he really sure? Better check.



He could have sworn he went up to her room, but maybe he's crazy for even considering...

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I just noticed; Garrus only has three conversations.
Only three.
Three.
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Azint wrote...

I just noticed; Garrus only has three conversations.
Only three.
Three.
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So does Tali :mellow:

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kraidy1117 wrote...

So does Tali :mellow:

Tali has four. Also not enough. Most characters have between five and seven, but not them.

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Azint wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

So does Tali :mellow:

Tali has four. Also not enough. Most characters have between five and seven, but not them.


Can't count Jacob, he is not a character.

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Yeah , what the hell, Bioware. Though hopefully the endless jokes about calibration have queued them into the fact that people don't appreciate the dialogue shortage.

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He has fewer conversations, but didn't someone point out he had the most lines in the game, after Shepard? Apparently he has nothing to say to you unless you're shooting at stuff together.