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[Collider]

Cerrydd wrote...
I wouldn't mind if Garrus turned out to be bisexual in ME3.

The only problem with this is that they would need make a new romance just for male Shepards in ME3. That's ridiculous. A new bisexual male character would be much better.

[Collider]

Flammie wrote...
Though, that makes me think of something brought up ages ago, and I think it could be interesting to think about now. How do you think turians, or even Garrus, feel about homosexuality?

Everything we say is speculative. We have no evidence of any aversion whatsoever of homosexuality in the ME galaxy period, so if we're going to go with anything conclusively it should be that. But if you want to go more in-depth, the Turians apparently are of the opinion that so long as you do your duty right and obey the law, you can do whatever the hell you want, just making sure that it does not affect your ability to do your duty.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Flammie wrote...

I love how we're in full on serious mode, now.

Though, that makes me think of something brought up ages ago, and I think it could be interesting to think about now. How do you think turians, or even Garrus, feel about homosexuality?

The codex indicates that they don't care.  People can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with their responsibilities.

Edit: what Collider said.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 24 avril 2010 - 10:29 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Xsause wrote...

Yeah, I don't think Garrus was really secretly in love with Shepard before the romance either.



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I think it was very likely, or else he would have been very very hesitant to jump right in the relationship with you.

[Ray Joel Oh]

If he did, I don't think he realized it.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 24 avril 2010 - 10:37 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

If he did, I don't think he realized it.

I think that in ME1 he viewed shepard more of just his commander, then a friend a little bit toward the end. But after shepard died something in him clicked. Your right, i don't think he even realized it until he saw you again.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I need to complain about Garrus again. I am convinced he is wearing that armor shot full of holes and not using that face fixer in the med lab out of spite for me. Did I do something to ****** him off in ME1?

Apparently he wants to make me look like a jerk. Whenever I enter a building with my shiny new Aegis body armor and sparkling X-15e rifle and he follows behind in a broken suit shot full of holes, I can just picture THAT turian pointing and shouting "racist!" at me.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 24 avril 2010 - 10:34 .

[Cerrydd]

Maybe he didn't realise it because he's so much a professional and is always thinking about his job?

[Brass_Buckles]

Collider wrote...

Wait...Buckles, sex with Garrus isn't going to kill anyone. At most FemShep may get some cuts.
Unless you mean ingesting...but that's pretty easy to avoid.

Considering the fluid exchange, it very well could, even if Shepard does not ingest.  I think Mordin actually mentions that possibility too, or hints at it.  Given the "chafing" problem I am doubting condoms would be much help.

[janeym27]

lol - i spent so long editing a post, we are on a new page. Probably for the best.



Who is doing Happy Hour this eve?

[Flammie]

I guess I can do something crazily stupid and drink something weird like the rest of the Happy Hourists, today.

Collider wrote...

Everything we say is speculative. We have no evidence of any aversion whatsoever of homosexuality in the ME galaxy period, so if we're going to go with anything conclusively it should be that. But if you want to go more in-depth, the Turians apparently are of the opinion that so long as you do your duty right and obey the law, you can do whatever the hell you want, just making sure that it does not affect your ability to do your duty.

Hmm, I guess with that indication, it probably is likely they would be accepting, if you assume that they by accepting anything as long as it doesn't affect your duty, it means anything and everything. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be very much homophobia or other such aversion of it in ME, so I guess it's best to assume it's accepted.

...That wasn't as thought provoking as I thought. Oh well.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

If he did, I don't think he realized it.

I think that in ME1 he viewed shepard more of just his commander, then a friend a little bit toward the end. But after shepard died something in him clicked. Your right, i don't think he even realized it until he saw you again.

Even then I kind of doubt it was that quick.  To me it seems like he jumped on board with the idea of being friends with benefits and then he started to wonder why that idea appealed to him.  Then he started stressing out with the emotional stuff.

[Brass_Buckles]

Re on the idea of Garrus having feelings (not really love, mind you, but attraction) toward Shepard prior to her propositioning...

Yeah, you guys are right, I think, about him not being that willing to jump right to it if there weren't already something there. More telling is that in the second scene he seems to be trying to explain that to Shepard: "I won't pretend I've got a fetish for humans, but this isn't about that. This is about us." It isn't about sex because if that's all he wanted, he'd probably prefer a turian. It's about getting closer to Shepard, even if he's very awkward about doing so--not to mention explaining that in a clearly understandable way.

Edit to add:  But again, that doesn't mean that Garrus is secretly pining away with love for Shepard, or even that he necessarily realizes that he's got feelings for her at all.  It just means he probably has a bit of a crush on his commander, which is not all that surprising considering she's saved his life and she's apparently willing to listen to him talk about all kinds of things when he needs to.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 24 avril 2010 - 10:44 .

[Mrs Vakarian]

Flammie wrote...

I love how we're in full on serious mode, now.

Though, that makes me think of something brought up ages ago, and I think it could be interesting to think about now. How do you think turians, or even Garrus, feel about homosexuality?

Being that they're a highly militaristic species I'd assume it's frowned upon. Their focus and emphasis is on the groups well being, not an individuals aspirations. Thus suggesting that strong and fertile families would be the ideal. Again, I can't help but think of their society as being similar to that of Spartan society which focused and emphasized strong families and a strong army. However, given they're stance on drugs, which is as long as they're not affecting the turian's ability to be productive and get their job done it's all okay, it might suggest some leniency. But overall, I think it would be frowned upon by turian society.

[Xsause]

ReconTeam wrote...

I need to complain about Garrus again. I am convinced he is wearing that armor shot full of holes and not using that face fixer in the med lab out of spite for me. Did I do something to ****** him off in ME1?

This calls for a new banner.

Modifié par Xsause, 24 avril 2010 - 10:43 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

Being that they're a highly militaristic species I'd assume it's frowned upon. Their focus and emphasis is on the groups well being, not an individuals aspirations. Thus suggesting that strong and fertile families would be the ideal. Again, I can't help but think of their society as being similar to that of Spartan society which focused and emphasized strong families and a strong army. However, given they're stance on drugs, which is as long as they're not affecting the turian's ability to be productive and get their job done it's all okay, it might suggest some leniency. But overall, I think it would be frowned upon by turian society.

Greeks were really down with homosexuality, though...

[Collider]

The Spartans were never about family values. More about war. Spartan soldiers would visit women at night, have sex with them, and then run off. Homosexuality and homosexual relations within Spartan society also occurred, despite what 300 may say.

Modifié par Collider, 24 avril 2010 - 10:46 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

Being that they're a highly militaristic species I'd assume it's frowned upon. Their focus and emphasis is on the groups well being, not an individuals aspirations. Thus suggesting that strong and fertile families would be the ideal. Again, I can't help but think of their society as being similar to that of Spartan society which focused and emphasized strong families and a strong army. However, given they're stance on drugs, which is as long as they're not affecting the turian's ability to be productive and get their job done it's all okay, it might suggest some leniency. But overall, I think it would be frowned upon by turian society.

Greeks were really down with homosexuality, though...

So were Romans.

I would guess that if "family" had anything to do with it, they'd go about it like the Greeks and Romans did.  Basically, they were expected to have a family, but could still have a homosexual lover on the side (and may have even been expected to).

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Xsause wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

I need to complain about Garrus again. I am convinced he is wearing that armor shot full of holes and not using that face fixer in the med lab out of spite for me. Did I do something to ****** him off in ME1?

This calls for a new banner.

Thou speakeths the truth.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Collider wrote...

The Spartans were never about family values. More about war. Spartan soldiers would visit women at night, have sex with them, and then run off. Homosexuality and homosexual relations within Spartan society also occurred, despite what 300 may say.

But the mothers were expected to be in top physical condition to have the strongest children... You're only as strong as your weakest member... And I'm not saying homosexual relationships didn't occur, I'm just saying their would be greater focus on producing children. 

[kglaser]

janeym27 wrote...

lol. Well, the definition of 'love' in general is pretty hard to pin down as it is - human or not. Maybe I mean, if on a scale of sex to love, with sex being purly about a physical gratification, and love speaking to an emotional connection, he is at the love end of the scale by the romance end.

That resonates for me.   I think no matter one's species' definition of "love", emotional connection is the least of what is required.  And I am 200% convinced those two have that, maybe even by the time Shep gets spaced.

[Collider]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

Collider wrote...

The Spartans were never about family values. More about war. Spartan soldiers would visit women at night, have sex with them, and then run off. Homosexuality and homosexual relations within Spartan society also occurred, despite what 300 may say.

But the mothers were expected to be in top physical condition to have the strongest children... You're only as strong as your weakest member... And I'm not saying homosexual relationships didn't occur, I'm just saying their would be greater focus on producing children. 

Of course. The species or country will die if you don't have children.

[kglaser]

Xsause wrote...

Yeah, I don't think Garrus was really secretly in love with Shepard before the romance either.

But then again, what is love?

Sorry, I just had to post that.

That song has been on my iPod for years.  YEARS.

[Nivenus]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Greeks were really down with homosexuality, though...

So were Romans.

I would guess that if "family" had anything to do with it, they'd go about it like the Greeks and Romans did.  Basically, they were expected to have a family, but could still have a homosexual lover on the side (and may have even been expected to).

A little bit off-topic, but...

Wrong. Most Greek city-states encouraged forms of pedastry among men of the upper crust of society, but the Romans considered it downright abhorrent and disgusting.

Also, while the ancient Greeks (and samurai for that matter) thought pedastry was all well and fine, and indeed a "purer" form of love than most heterosexual relationships, they still encouraged marriage between men and women for the purposes of breeding and socialization.

But yes, anyone who indicates that homosexuality wouldn't be tolerated in a militaristic society it is clearly not doing the research.

[Ray Joel Oh]

But the more developed and comfortable societies become, the less they focus on procreation. Turians aren't in a position where they need to protect their survival by keeping an endless supply of soldiers. They aren't living under constant threat of invasion and they aren't looking to violently spread their empire.