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[cedardryad]

What I find funny is that I think that Liara had a thing with Ferron. If that is the case I don't want to hear her mouth if she mentions Garrus and me.

[Briallen]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

The "make a cute couple" line comes when you are initiating the LI interest of conversation with Garrus. If you question her (say right after Archangel recruit) she only says the "I want to hold him" line, with no other statement after you say "I fell the same way".

I got the 'cute couple' option right after recruitment, I couldn't even get Garrus's loyalty mission at that point.

I could be wrong, but my theory is that you can only get the "cute couple" option if you're friendly and chatty to Kelly before you talk to her about Garrus. I say that because I'm on my second playthrough and I have yet to get the "cute couple" line even though I always pick the "I feel the same way" option when Garrus comes up in conversation with Kelly. But because I'm not Kelly's biggest fan (and because I'm scared crapless of the game thinking I want to romance her or some garbage), I tend to pick the shortest, most professional dialogue options with her rather than the happy chatty ones. I guess on some playthrough I'm just going to have to break down and try it, though, because I really want to get the "cute couple" line. 

[snu55lepuff]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Garrus? Not in ME3?


He's got literally nothing else to do but tool around the galaxy with Shepard. No broken race to rebuild, no Alliance to call him back, no Shepard to save and Shadow Broker to kill (incidentally, it's doubtful Liara's drell buddy Ferron will be in ME3; it's implied he's the friend the Shadow Broker killed). Garrus has zero reason to leave Shepard.

I WILL USE ALL OF MY REACTION IMAGES TO STOP THIS POSSIBILITY. YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT, BIOWARE.

As obvious as it is, it's gotta be restated. Where the heck would he go? He could visit his homeworld, but he doesn't really "belong" there like Tali does to the Migrant Fleet.

Just wouldn't make sense to make him a cameo.

[cedardryad]

I refuse to keep my hopes up or even assume anything. I don't want to expect him there and for me to have any romantic interaction with him and then, BAM, nothing.

[MarginalBeast]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
I doubt he cares about what others think. He's said it himself, he's a bad Turian. He believes blindly following orders that are bad is dumb. I doubt he will care about what other Turians think about him. Besides this relationship might have a positive impact if you did certain things. By certain things I mean saving the Council since it greatly increases the trust between the Alliance and the Turian Hierarchy. The relationship could be one of the first steps towards Humans and Turians forgetting about their past.

I know, I was talking about Shepard. If Garrus were to leave her, it would be for her own sake, not his.

cedardryad wrote...

If he tries to break it off with
Shepard because of her image, I'm pretty sure she won't let him go
without a fight. After all she's been through I doubt she really cares
what people think of her at this point.

Yeah, I know she wouldn't. But I'm saying that if BioWare needs a convenient way for them to break up, that could be it. It WOULD make sense for Shepard to convince him to stay, but if that option isn't programmed into the game then there'd be nothing we could do about it regardless of how ridiculous it was.

[Annora]

I have a theory, bear with me if you will.

Okay, so we know that some ancient race from 37 million years ago had this amazing mass accelerator weapon that effectively killed a Reaper. What if the Reapers have only been around for 37 million years? What if that's when their 'cycles' began?

I theorize that the race that originally built the Reapers were organics, but they weren't just building ships. They were uploading copies of themselves into the Reapers, 'evolving' if you will. A good portion of the original race was horrified by this, and didn't realize what was truly happening until it was too late. They fought back against their former brethren, taking one of them out before succumbing to galactic harvesting. The rest of their race was turned into Reapers.

But! A small portion managed to get away, much like the Protheans. We'll have to find the tomb of the beings of light to find out, once and for all, how to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionare Kuman Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine Devils."

I wonder if Garrus would think me insane...

[Brass_Buckles]

It's true: Garrus wouldn't ditch Shepard for his own sake. He might be a bad turian, but he's still a turian, putting others before himself. Even if not for the image thing, he might imagine she'd be happier with, say, Kaiden, because let's face it: Shepard and Garrus aren't having kids anytime soon. Nevermind that she might not want children in the first place; it strikes me as something Garrus would consider anyway, in the interests of keeping Shepard from having regrets. Plus there are likely to be all kinds of cultural differences that would come up and make things awkward (potentially cute, but also potentially hazardous to a healthy relationship). For instance, if she's going to stay with a turian, does that mean she has to become a turian citizen? Or will he have to become a citizen of the Alliance? They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

[Sialater]

I dunno, staying on a ship sounds good. None of the Shepard origins has a home anymore anyway.

[Tootles FTW]

silentstephi wrote...

Honestly, I think the biggest hurdle the ME3 team is going to have is coming up with how they're going to fit everyone into this world they created. Regardless of who's died in your save.

We're encouraged to get the job done and make sure our team is prepped and ready to go. Keeping people alive is VERY easy. Since finding out the secret of keeping the crew/Mordin alive, I have yet to have an ending where I have dead team mates.

Pretty much all of this.  I really don't know where all of this "oh noes, cameos!" thing is coming from, because ME2 left me with the distinct impression that whoever survives is going to be there with you for the finale.  That's the entire point of the game, really.  These are your characters, these are their stories, and you job is to get them out alive...to just disappear in ME3??

I've said it before but here is how I think it's going to go down: Your ME1 squadmates returns, so Ash/Kaidan, Liara, and Wrex.  Even if you killed Wrex that would still leave you with two squadmates (which is the required minimum to run around and pew-pew-pew).  Now add onto that everyone who survived ME3.  Ta da!

If squadmates died in ME1/ME3 then guess what?  That's the price you pay for being Commander Failure of the Normandy SR-Loser.  It is not difficult to have your crew survive in ME2, and the game is meant to be played and replayed even if you did mess up (for me, my crew died my first playthrough) - you're supposed to want everyone to live, and if you don't then Bioware failed at their job.

I also don't think that they'll be any new squadmates introduced unless certain ME2 people don't make a reappearance due to storylines (i.e. Samara goes back to asari space, or Thane's illness prevents him from participating).

Garrus and Tali are a definite lock.  They're not going anywhere, and that's the mindset that I'm sticking to until Bioware tells me otherwise.

[Nightfire78]

Kim Shepard wrote...

My Shepard didn't get the "you guys would make a cute couple" comment from Kelly. xD Is it because she hasn't had any conversations with her aside from the professional "Is there anything I should know?" option at the end of each mission.

I've been trying to think of some songs that fit the romances for each of my Shepards. The lyrics of "Take My Hand" by Simple Plan seem to fit Shepard #2 and Garrus really well. Also, "I'm Gonna Getcha Good" by Shania Twain is an amusing choice for the Shepard that likes Saren. xD

Well, I talked to her when I first had the chance about all the options available (making sure to avoid the obviously flirty response "I would embrace you" when she goes on about trusting you. From then on all I ever did was the "is there anything i should know option", but the Garrus chat that led to the comment was just her initial line when I went to talk to her after I got him... i'm not sure if you had to go through another dialogue option to get to her line about wanting to comfort him and the response that leads to cute couple comment, though... Keep trying, I guess

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I get the feeling it'll end, is
all. I don't look forward to that--because unless they just make Kaiden
totally awesome in ME3 (and I will not forget what a jerk he is in ME2
so he'd have to just totally blow me away--plus I don't like his
voice), I'd really rather Shepard be with Garrus, who clearly (by the
final scene anyway) cares deeply about her and would do anything for
her. He's already doing a suicide mission for her, right?

Some
people are even claiming in other threads that they're hoping that if
you stick with one of the three LIs in ME1 you get a more epic ending.
I think that should go for if you were romancing Garrus or Tali and
didn't romance anyone in ME1, if that's the case. But, all things
considered, my guess is that canonly they die. On the other hand? I
read someone saying that the devs mentioned something about using the
squadmates from ME2. So I guess, who knows? Surely, with Garrus and
Tali being so popular, they'll be in the game as long as you didn't
kill them off. Forget Thane. He was created specifically to be a female
romance and he reeks of it. Garrus has been awesome since ME1. I geek
over Garrus even if I don't think he's hot like some of you do. If I
were Shepard I'd be his best buddy ever. I'd also probably try to
convince him not to do anything suicidal, including the mission, but,
you know.

Another thing to fear: the use of the death of a
popular character to tug our heartstrings. What if, despite saving
Garrus and Tali in ME2, they die in ME3?

I just really hope we
get more than a cameo, but even then it'll probably be less fleshed out
than it should. I mean, how much calibrating can Garrus do?

Well, I can't claim to know Bioware's plans, but I can't imagine they'd bother writing in a decent romance for him just to turn it into a fling... plus they'd miss out on all the drama they could put in with interspecies/reputation/family angst. They might not make it easy to keep it going as a relationship (I'm fairly sure they'll want it to be felt how challenging of a step it is to get into and remain in a relationship that's not broadly accepted etc.), but I doubt they'll just make it like nothing ever happened.

I also doubt they'll make it the canon that Shep. is too... I don't know what, un-hero-y I guess, to do upgrades and can't win the loyalty of his/her crew members. I mean that would be spending 2 games setting up the hero of the citadel and of humanity and of everything everywhere only to then say "you've been punked, (s)he actually has no clue what (s)he's doing"... That would be beyond bad writing and trilogy set up. Besides which, I figure they know that virtually everyone is going to do their darndest to keep squadmates alive and will have at least one playthrough where they save them all, to then pretend they're all dead or all somehow pick up and leave right after would be downright silly unless they're going to go many years into the future again... Given the approaching Reaper horde cutscene at the end, though, I think they don't have many years into the future to jump to before the Reapers are already in the galaxy.

Frankly, I doubt they would have gotten themselves into the "mess" of having a bunch of LI's and an all can die ending if they didn't have ideas and the willingness to solve it properly. I mean, if you think about it, the people from ME1 being mostly unavailable made sense... the consequence of letting Wrex live was he goes to unify the krogan (which might possibly be a really big help when the Reapers come) and that's hardly a plan that can realize itself while he's out galavanting in the galaxy somewhere... The LI's who survived ME1 are gone to "tempt" people who romanced them in the first game into cheating so they can break out the "consequences" of that in ME3 like they've been saying they would (I mean, who's really gonna cheat on their ME1 LI if they're right next door and being all lovey-dovey?).

ME3, however, is the last in the trilogy, there's nothing more to set up, and they can't effectively do "consequences" if they default to everyone's dead... Sure, someone could tell on you, but I don't see their killer consequence being a "tattle-tale told me so" rant about a person who's now dead. I'm not sure how they will solve the situation where you cheated and got your 2nd LI killed or the situation where you managed to get everyone including yourself killed, but I'm 99% sure the default won't be that all are dead because they can make the more interesting story and situations if people are alive.

I also have a hard time thinking they'll cameo everyone because everyone can die, given the amount of resources they're already going to need to wrap up all the loose ends and make a solid epic trilogy ending (that is to say to make several, as they can't simply give a 1 for all outcome to a game who's prime slogan is your choices effect the outcome ), I doubt they want to waste time unneccessarily making up a whole new set of people for you to get to know plus thinking up plausible stories of why everyone else up and left. It makes more sense in terms of efficiency and pleasing your buying public to just stick with people who have already been established. Maybe people who got everyone killed will just get the 2 left from ME1 and a couple of new creations to enable party balancing, but I can't imagine they'd just repeat the picture on the desk + cameo thing again for the rest as it would have no value in the final instalment except to annoy people.

Anyway, I'm intrigued to see how they solve the multi-death scenarios (esp. the ones where Shep. dies), but I really can't see them defaulting to dead or taking the cameo short-cut for LI's without going back on a lot of what they've been promising or hinting at.

Edit: by "the 2 left from ME1" I mean the 2 that are definitely left i.e. Liara and whoever survived Virmire, since Wrex could be dead or alive.

Modifié par Nightfire78, 26 février 2010 - 01:34 .

[aznsoisauce]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

Spacer Shep would likely disagree.

But you do bring up some great points that Garrus will be thinking about in the future if he hasn't already.
Edit:

Anastassia wrote...

I have a theory, bear with me if you will.
Okay, so we know that some ancient race from 37 million years ago had this amazing mass accelerator weapon that effectively killed a Reaper. What if the Reapers have only been around for 37 million years? What if that's when their 'cycles' began?
I theorize that the race that originally built the Reapers were organics, but they weren't just building ships. They were uploading copies of themselves into the Reapers, 'evolving' if you will. A good portion of the original race was horrified by this, and didn't realize what was truly happening until it was too late. They fought back against their former brethren, taking one of them out before succumbing to galactic harvesting. The rest of their race was turned into Reapers.
But! A small portion managed to get away, much like the Protheans. We'll have to find the tomb of the beings of light to find out, once and for all, how to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionare Kuman Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine Devils."

I wonder if Garrus would think me insane...

You know...I've been thinking something similar ever since ME1. Somehow, I felt like finding out that the Collectors were repurposed Protheans supports this kind of story.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 26 février 2010 - 01:29 .

[cedardryad]

I see Garrus moving with Shepard to a human colony, maybe one that is inhabited by a few friends.

Normandy crew colonizes a planet and calls it Normandy. I have learned in life to always expect the worst outcome, thus when it doesn't happen it makes me extra happy.

If Shepard wants kids I can see her adopting a Turian if there is no way through science or natural means that they can reproduce. That or I would like to think that my Shepard would adopt a krogan, thus mending ties with krogans and turians.:happy: I doubt Bioware will go that far, they didn't in DA:O.

[Nightfire78]

what the... hey, why's the rum... I mean my Garrus sig. pic gone?? ::panic attack::

[Brass_Buckles]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

Spacer Shep would likely disagree.

But you do bring up some great points that Garrus will be thinking about in the future if he hasn't already.
Edit:

Anastassia wrote...

I have a theory, bear with me if you will.
Okay, so we know that some ancient race from 37 million years ago had this amazing mass accelerator weapon that effectively killed a Reaper. What if the Reapers have only been around for 37 million years? What if that's when their 'cycles' began?
I theorize that the race that originally built the Reapers were organics, but they weren't just building ships. They were uploading copies of themselves into the Reapers, 'evolving' if you will. A good portion of the original race was horrified by this, and didn't realize what was truly happening until it was too late. They fought back against their former brethren, taking one of them out before succumbing to galactic harvesting. The rest of their race was turned into Reapers.
But! A small portion managed to get away, much like the Protheans. We'll have to find the tomb of the beings of light to find out, once and for all, how to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionare Kuman Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine Devils."

I wonder if Garrus would think me insane...

You know...I've been thinking something similar ever since ME1. Somehow, I felt like finding out that the Collectors were repurposed Protheans supports this kind of story.

Re on the ship thing--some spacer Sheps would want to live planetside.  Mine might be cool with living on a station, but it'd be hard to keep a crew hired for the Normandy since she's currently more-or-less unemployed (I don't think Spectres even get a salary).  And then there's the issue of needing two totally different kinds of food.  She and Garrus couldn't eat the same thing, so they'd have to stop off at space stations all the time if they didn't outright live there.  So yeah, something would have to be resolved with the whole "so, whose citizens are we, again?" thing, if they really were going to stay together long-term.  Which also makes me wonder:  Would turians even have such a thing as marriage, and if so, would it be allowed between a turian and a human?  If they decided they wanted children, would they even be allowed to adopt, regardless whether marriage (or its turian analog) were possible?  And would it be safe, Shepard or not, for her to live around other humans and Turians when openly in a relationship with a turian?  For all we know, turians are supposed to only get together in arranged relationships--doesn't seem likely though, what with their personal freedoms.

Aside from the kids thing, there is the food issue, and other cultural matters we probably don't even know about.  For instance, turian courtesy.  What if humans are constantly being rude to turians and don't even realize it?

And lastly, will anyone even survive ME3 at all?  I mean... while I'd love a happy ending, it's the end of the series.  There's no better way to say "THE END" than to send us all off on a suicide mission that we cannot under any circumstances survive this time--or else we won't be able to achieve what we have to in order to defeat the Reapers.

Just things to think about.

[MarginalBeast]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

It's true: Garrus wouldn't ditch Shepard for his own sake. He might be a bad turian, but he's still a turian, putting others before himself. Even if not for the image thing, he might imagine she'd be happier with, say, Kaiden, because let's face it: Shepard and Garrus aren't having kids anytime soon. Nevermind that she might not want children in the first place; it strikes me as something Garrus would consider anyway, in the interests of keeping Shepard from having regrets. Plus there are likely to be all kinds of cultural differences that would come up and make things awkward (potentially cute, but also potentially hazardous to a healthy relationship). For instance, if she's going to stay with a turian, does that mean she has to become a turian citizen? Or will he have to become a citizen of the Alliance? They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

They can always get an apartment on the Citadel if they need a place to live that isn't a ship.

[Brass_Buckles]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

It's true: Garrus wouldn't ditch Shepard for his own sake. He might be a bad turian, but he's still a turian, putting others before himself. Even if not for the image thing, he might imagine she'd be happier with, say, Kaiden, because let's face it: Shepard and Garrus aren't having kids anytime soon. Nevermind that she might not want children in the first place; it strikes me as something Garrus would consider anyway, in the interests of keeping Shepard from having regrets. Plus there are likely to be all kinds of cultural differences that would come up and make things awkward (potentially cute, but also potentially hazardous to a healthy relationship). For instance, if she's going to stay with a turian, does that mean she has to become a turian citizen? Or will he have to become a citizen of the Alliance? They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

They can always get an apartment on the Citadel if they need a place to live that isn't a ship.

What?  And put Garrus back in the dreaded C-Sec?  (But he'd totally be bringing home wine all the time.  Possibly to Shepard's dismay.

Garrus> Heeey.  I brought wine...
Shepard> Garrus, look, we've been together long enough that I think it's clear that you don't have to actively try to seduce me.
Garrus> I--I'm sorry.  One day I'll get it right, I promise.
Shepard> You don't have to apologize.  I think it's cute.
Garrus> I'm not sure how to take that, Shepard.
Shepard> ... Just pour the wine.  I'll handle the music.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I don't understand why people keep on using the 'well it happened to the ME1 LIs' argument. ME3 is the finale. They're not going to shaft potentially half (but probably more) of their fanbase's romance stories in the last, final installment of Shepard's story.

To the idea that Garrus would worry about FemShep (or his) reputation: Isn't turian society all about 'nothing is taboo as long as it doesn't interfere with your work'? Unless that's just in theory and it's a different thing in practice, I don't think he'd be in the mindset to worry so much.

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Even if not for the image thing, he might imagine she'd be happier with, say, Kaiden, because let's face it: Shepard and Garrus aren't having kids anytime soon.

Well, since Kaidan is dead to me (literally), that wouldn't be it.

Besides, knowing they're going to be fighting yet another giant galaxy destroying thing next time, there's a very, very good chance Shepard won't live long enough to have kids anyway. Why would Garrus leave knowing that they might have such a short time together and that now is when she needs him most? Doesn't make sense.

[Kim Shepard]

I'm not too worried about Garrus only getting a cameo or breaking up with Shepard or anything like that. I trust BioWare to keep him as a squadmate and romance interest in ME3. Besides, my Shepard had no romance interest in ME1, and she likes turians, not humans. She would be really angry if he broke up with her because he thought she'd be better with a human when she doesn't like humans. I'm only a little worried about Garrus being killed off... probably by some in-game fault of my own.

Speaking of accidentally getting characters killed off, do I really need all of the upgrades or just those for the Normandy? I'm getting bored with planet scanning. xD And I hope that Samara can survive the suicide mission without loyalty because I seriously doubt that my Shepard would be able to fake interest in Morinth. She's the type to repeat the Sidonis mission with a simple headshot.

@Nightfire78: I probably never got the "cute couple" line because my Shepard never had that "trust" conversation with Kelly. xD She had to be unusually rude in ME1 to convince Kaidan and Liara that she wasn't interested (and when Liara started to show interest even after being turned down, I just reloaded the last save really fast). Now that she actually has the chance of romance with Garrus, she avoids talking to people like Jacob and Kelly so the game won't automatically give her flirty lines or make them interested. o_o; Hopefully that doesn't happen with Thane. She wants to be friends with Thane.

Also, I agree with everything you said about past squadmates returning to ME3. Killing them off after most of ME2 was spent recruiting them would just seem pointless, and it would work against the fact that Shepard's actions are supposed to have consequences if they're dead in everyone's games whether they survived the suicide mission or not.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 26 février 2010 - 01:51 .

[Nightfire78]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

Spacer Shep would likely disagree.

But you do bring up some great points that Garrus will be thinking about in the future if he hasn't already.
Edit:

Anastassia wrote...

I have a theory, bear with me if you will.
Okay, so we know that some ancient race from 37 million years ago had this amazing mass accelerator weapon that effectively killed a Reaper. What if the Reapers have only been around for 37 million years? What if that's when their 'cycles' began?
I theorize that the race that originally built the Reapers were organics, but they weren't just building ships. They were uploading copies of themselves into the Reapers, 'evolving' if you will. A good portion of the original race was horrified by this, and didn't realize what was truly happening until it was too late. They fought back against their former brethren, taking one of them out before succumbing to galactic harvesting. The rest of their race was turned into Reapers.
But! A small portion managed to get away, much like the Protheans. We'll have to find the tomb of the beings of light to find out, once and for all, how to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionare Kuman Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine Devils."

I wonder if Garrus would think me insane...

You know...I've been thinking something similar ever since ME1. Somehow, I felt like finding out that the Collectors were repurposed Protheans supports this kind of story.

Re on the ship thing--some spacer Sheps would want to live planetside.  Mine might be cool with living on a station, but it'd be hard to keep a crew hired for the Normandy since she's currently more-or-less unemployed (I don't think Spectres even get a salary).  And then there's the issue of needing two totally different kinds of food.  She and Garrus couldn't eat the same thing, so they'd have to stop off at space stations all the time if they didn't outright live there.  So yeah, something would have to be resolved with the whole "so, whose citizens are we, again?" thing, if they really were going to stay together long-term.  Which also makes me wonder:  Would turians even have such a thing as marriage, and if so, would it be allowed between a turian and a human?  If they decided they wanted children, would they even be allowed to adopt, regardless whether marriage (or its turian analog) were possible?  And would it be safe, Shepard or not, for her to live around other humans and Turians when openly in a relationship with a turian?  For all we know, turians are supposed to only get together in arranged relationships--doesn't seem likely though, what with their personal freedoms.

Aside from the kids thing, there is the food issue, and other cultural matters we probably don't even know about.  For instance, turian courtesy.  What if humans are constantly being rude to turians and don't even realize it?

And lastly, will anyone even survive ME3 at all?  I mean... while I'd love a happy ending, it's the end of the series.  There's no better way to say "THE END" than to send us all off on a suicide mission that we cannot under any circumstances survive this time--or else we won't be able to achieve what we have to in order to defeat the Reapers.

Just things to think about.

Wow, no offense, but you sound *really* pessimistic about ME3 LOL...
On the other hand, I suppose "Expect the worst, hope for the best" is a better maxim than "expect the best and enter depression if it doesn't happen" heh.

As I said before, there have to be multiple endings or they ruin the premise of their own game... as a matter of fact, I don't think I've played a Bioware game yet (unless I'm blocking something out) that had only 1 way of ending, especially 1 depressing/deadly way to end. I'm pretty sure it will be possible to die in the end of ME3, but I can't imagine it would be the necessary/only ending.

As to living on the Normandy with the diff. food req's... they're doing that now already anyway without stopping constantly to restock... unless they do whenever you get fuel, in which case it's no biggy as you have to stop for that anyway, and if they do survive, Shep. will still be a Spectre and off doing the Council's dirty jobs, for which she will still need a ship. I suppose I'm a bit of a hermit, but I actually like the idea of living on the ship... no neighbors and as an added bonus, you can go wherever you want, which is why my Shep's are always Spacer background. Still, I don't think an Me3 ending would go that far out into the future, probably leave it up to your imagination how they do it or how long they make it or if they adopt or not, assuming you make it through the end with the rel. in tact and... well, your hides in tact

[aznsoisauce]

I'd want an apartment on Omega. Some of those apartments you got to see there looked mighty swanky...

Edit: Iirc, Omega banks on business having to do with Eezo. And, cousin, business is a boomin~

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 26 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'm not too worried about Garrus only getting a cameo or breaking up with Shepard or anything like that. I trust BioWare to keep him as a squadmate and romance interest in ME3. Besides, my Shepard had no romance interest in ME1, and she likes turians, not humans. She would be really angry if he broke up with her because he thought she'd be better with a human when she doesn't like humans. I'm only a little worried about Garrus being killed off... probably by some in-game fault of my own.

Speaking of accidentally getting characters killed off, do I really need all of the upgrades or just those for the Normandy? I'm getting bored with planet scanning. xD And I hope that Samara can survive the suicide mission without loyalty because I seriously doubt that my Shepard would be able to fake interest in Morinth. She's the type to repeat the Sidonis mission with a simple headshot.

@Nightfire78: I probably never got the "cute couple" line because my Shepard never had that "trust" conversation with Kelly. xD She had to be unusually rude in ME1 to convince Kaidan and Liara that she wasn't interested (and when Liara started to show interest even after being turned down, I just reloaded the last save really fast). Now that she actually has the chance of romance with Garrus, she avoids talking to people like Jacob and Kelly so the game won't automatically give her flirty lines or make them interested. o_o; Hopefully that doesn't happen with Thane. She wants to be friends with Thane.

Also, I agree with everything you said about past squadmates returning to ME3. Killing them off after most of ME2 was spent recruiting them would just seem pointless, and it would work against the fact that Shepard's actions are supposed to have consequences if they're dead in everyone's games whether they survived the suicide mission or not.

If you talk to Thane after his loyalty mission, he is suddenly a romantic interest, even if you don't actually flirt with him (the lines to avoid are pretty obvious).  I know this because the advertisement on the Citadel thought that my Shep was with Thane, when she was with Garrus.  Of course after mission complete and Garrus's romance scene, it acknowledged that  Julia must be with Garrus.  Well, yeah, you think that sleeping with him might be a clue?

[Splinter Cell 108]

aznsoisauce wrote...

I'd want an apartment on Omega. Some of those apartments you got to see there looked might swanky...

I want an apartment everywhere. That way I can customize armor and do things that can't be done outside the Normandy.

I just watched all the ways in which Garrus can die. They were all horrible, I can't believe I saw them. I'm never going to let anybody die in my playthroughs. Nobody has died yet thankfully.

[Looper128]

Garrus o..o

[cedardryad]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
They can't just live aboard the Normandy for the rest of their lives--or I guess they could, but it doesn't seem like a great life to me.

Spacer Shep would likely disagree.

But you do bring up some great points that Garrus will be thinking about in the future if he hasn't already.
Edit:

Anastassia wrote...

I have a theory, bear with me if you will.
Okay, so we know that some ancient race from 37 million years ago had this amazing mass accelerator weapon that effectively killed a Reaper. What if the Reapers have only been around for 37 million years? What if that's when their 'cycles' began?
I theorize that the race that originally built the Reapers were organics, but they weren't just building ships. They were uploading copies of themselves into the Reapers, 'evolving' if you will. A good portion of the original race was horrified by this, and didn't realize what was truly happening until it was too late. They fought back against their former brethren, taking one of them out before succumbing to galactic harvesting. The rest of their race was turned into Reapers.
But! A small portion managed to get away, much like the Protheans. We'll have to find the tomb of the beings of light to find out, once and for all, how to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionare Kuman Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "Machine Devils."

I wonder if Garrus would think me insane...

You know...I've been thinking something similar ever since ME1. Somehow, I felt like finding out that the Collectors were repurposed Protheans supports this kind of story.

Re on the ship thing--some spacer Sheps would want to live planetside.  Mine might be cool with living on a station, but it'd be hard to keep a crew hired for the Normandy since she's currently more-or-less unemployed (I don't think Spectres even get a salary).  And then there's the issue of needing two totally different kinds of food.  She and Garrus couldn't eat the same thing, so they'd have to stop off at space stations all the time if they didn't outright live there.  So yeah, something would have to be resolved with the whole "so, whose citizens are we, again?" thing, if they really were going to stay together long-term.  Which also makes me wonder:  Would turians even have such a thing as marriage, and if so, would it be allowed between a turian and a human?  If they decided they wanted children, would they even be allowed to adopt, regardless whether marriage (or its turian analog) were possible?  And would it be safe, Shepard or not, for her to live around other humans and Turians when openly in a relationship with a turian?  For all we know, turians are supposed to only get together in arranged relationships--doesn't seem likely though, what with their personal freedoms.

Aside from the kids thing, there is the food issue, and other cultural matters we probably don't even know about.  For instance, turian courtesy.  What if humans are constantly being rude to turians and don't even realize it?

And lastly, will anyone even survive ME3 at all?  I mean... while I'd love a happy ending, it's the end of the series.  There's no better way to say "THE END" than to send us all off on a suicide mission that we cannot under any circumstances survive this time--or else we won't be able to achieve what we have to in order to defeat the Reapers.

Just things to think about.

The food thing might be the easiest hurdle to clear. There are people that are vegans and are in relationships with meat eaters. Plus being a vegan is a way of life as well. If they can do it so can Garrus and Shep.

Citizen wise I think at this time they have citizenship to certain planets regardless of the person's race.

I can see Shepard wanting to adapt to the Turian way of life, since mine doesn't have any family. Garrus would be all the family she has at this point. Plus, my Shepard is so alien friendly that she just might not see herself as human anymore. She just might very well easily adapt to their way of life.

As for marriage, not every couple wants marriage. Personally, I don't care for marriage. Marriage might mean different things to different species. Even within our own species there are different concepts/definitions of marriage depending on the culture.
EX: http://traditions.cu...ditions342.html
In some tribes in Africa gay marriage is totally accepted.

[MarginalBeast]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
What?  And put Garrus back in the dreaded C-Sec?  (But he'd totally be bringing home wine all the time.  Possibly to Shepard's dismay.

Garrus> Heeey.  I brought wine...
Shepard> Garrus, look, we've been together long enough that I think it's clear that you don't have to actively try to seduce me.
Garrus> I--I'm sorry.  One day I'll get it right, I promise.
Shepard> You don't have to apologize.  I think it's cute.
Garrus> I'm not sure how to take that, Shepard.
Shepard> ... Just pour the wine.  I'll handle the music.

Who said he has to go back to C-Sec? I figured it would just be a place for Shepard and Garrus (or any love interest, really) to find some peace and quiet if they needed to. Not a place for them to settle down in permanently and find jobs.

Also, that little scenario you wrote is dangerously cute.