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[Mrs Vakarian]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

It's just hit me that we do have some implied canon about the strength of turians as compared to humans--Cerberus Daily News. If turians were significantly stronger or more physically capable than humans, no way they'd be in the same weight class or even allowed to actually compete against each other in legit MMA fights.

Turian vs. human... Now that would be pretty freaking sick to watch

I still think Garrus and Shepard should have a sparring match... Just for fun, cause we already know how they blow off steam:D

Modifié par Mrs Vakarian, 25 avril 2010 - 09:18 .

[janeym27]

Cerrydd wrote...

Ok, prepare for this way too long limerick... I'm sorry I couldn't fit everybody in. Maybe I'll ever modify it when I'm sober haha. Needless to say, this is all in good fun and it's not my intention to offend anybody. Don't take it too seriously (you know I love all of you)

*snip*

 You've made my morning.

enormousmoonboots wrote...

It's just hit me that we do have some implied canon about the strength of turians as compared to humans--Cerberus Daily News. If turians were significantly stronger or more physically capable than humans, no way they'd be in the same weight class or even allowed to actually compete against each other in legit MMA fights.

Good call. I've always thought they were probably on par with humans in terms of mass/strength ratio (from the way Anderson fought those guards, Garrus beat the crap out of Harkin, etc) but generally speaking, Turians seem to be a bit bigger than the average human. Only slightly.

I've heard people talk about Garrus 'tossing Harkin around like a rag doll' before, and it's always confused me. He beats him good, but it's not like he did it without effot. No more thsn Shepard when she took on those 2 Turians on Samara's LM (if you played it that way).

[janeym27]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Yep, but Shep's a cyborg soldier with all kinds of upgrades, mods, and experience pumping through her system.  It makes sense she could beat the crap out of a couple of thugs and a random civilian who makes unwelcome advances.  What about when Saren lifts Shep ove a big chasm with one hand?  And Garrus does sling Harkin up against a wall with one hand easily.  I think turians are on average a little stronger than humans, but Shep/Saren/Garrus may not be the best examples to use as they are all sort of supreme examples of their species potential.

By the way, who wished they could have Garrus with them in Afterlife during the Samara mission just so they could see his reaction when the above mentioned horny turian comes onto you?  I'd have paid to see that.

Actually, I think he'd of just laughed and been like "this fool doesn't know what he's getting himself into" and watched in amusement as Shepard beat the crap out of him.  Garrus does not srike me as the possesive, smothering, protective type. 

Which leads me to another question.  What do you think a Garrus/Kaidan confrontation over Shepard might look like in ME3?

Saren was all pepped up on Reaper juice!

I don't get the 'Shepard as super-human soldier' thing. They make a point of repeatedly talking about how she was restored 'to stock' and 'exactly as she was', etc. Then she's all cybernetic? (although apparently a wizard did it). Garrus lifts Harkin, but it's not like he's dangling him off the floor for ages. He's angry, and presses him to the wall. We've all seen that done on a Saturday night, right? But yes, you are probably right. Using specially trained soldiers as example might not be the best comparison. Still, I think that if there was a massive difference in strength, it would have been mentioned at some point. Also, as moonboots pointed out, we wouldn't have human/turian competitive sports combat.

I think Garrus would certainly defend Shep if she needed it, but how often is that likely to happen? lol He'd probably have too much respect for her to intervene, and let her take care of her own business. (I've never met the horny turian. I was talking about the 2 that are planning to rob some humans. Interesting....) He'd probably approve (and be secretly laughing his ass off at anyone who crosees her).

I can't see Garrus and Kaiden actually fighting over Shepard in that sense. They both care about her enough to let her make her own descicion and to respect that choice. I could see Kaiden getting angry at Shepard, but I don't think he and Garrus would come to blows. I think in the end, whoever Shep chooses, the other one will be crushed, but will back off. However, I do think that should Kaiden attack Shepard again, Garrus would certainly defend her (like he did on horizon). I do think that there would definetly be an attitude of "If you ever hurt her, I'll kill you." between the two as well, regardless of who 'wins'.

[Flammie]

I always imagined turians as having a slight advantage over humans physically, but that would mainly be due to their size, I think. When you get cyborgs and specially trained soldiers into the equation, I guess it goes a little awry, though.

And, as for the confrontation, I don't see either of them getting into fisticuffs, nor a shouting match. At most, perhaps a small verbal battle, but I think it'd be a sort of "who are you going to choose" like with Liara and Shepard's other possibly LI in ME1.

Soltana wrote...

I swear, you go to sleep for just a few minutes (12 hours @__@) and you miss out on all the fun. I hate this timezone! I didn't read too hard so was it ever established as to why my arch nemesis is now a schoolgirl chicken? =x

You threw a safari ball, me and a rock at Garrus.
I attacked your monocle
I attacked your mustache
You tied me to train tracks
Fight etc.

Another theory is for greater justice. So apparently the rest of this thread isn't that physically great that the best member they can send to fight you is their mascot, a mini chicken in a schoolgirl uniform.

Or, another possibility is the battle for Garrus. But that means everybody else should be involved.

Also, there's kglaser vs. Cerrydd. Old fart vs. Young'un, basically. kglaser's walker can do some hefty damage if she can push it forwards hard enough without breaking her arms, but Cerrydd's got everything else going for her.

Absolutely no idea why I remember that.

Soltana wrote...

Interestingly enough, the bird that hissed at me was a chicken. The lizzard, however, was a monitor. They always hiss when they're cranky

I don't know what you're talking about. *glares at Soltana* TvT

Cerrydd wrote...

Ok, prepare for this way too long
limerick... I'm sorry I couldn't fit everybody in. Maybe I'll ever
modify it when I'm sober haha. Needless to say, this is all in good fun
and it's not my intention to offend anybody. Don't take it too
seriously (you know I love all of you)

*snip*

Wow, that was a great read to wake up to. Impressive.

Modifié par Flammie, 25 avril 2010 - 11:39 .

[Xsause]

Cool, I got mentioned in a limerick! :happy:

Now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Modifié par Xsause, 25 avril 2010 - 12:11 .

[zoe.garrus]

janeym27 wrote...

zoe.garrus wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

zoe.garrus wrote...

Flammie wrote...

I don't think the Reapers are going to get destroyed by the super-ultra-amazing power of pink overflowing blasts of love.

LOL
¡jajajajaja! xD

Love is the only weapon we need. Wait...

Yeah, right. But I need to ask something: is it love... or sex? (still waiting for a Garrus love (love, not just sex) dialogue)
Think about it

I think Garrus was only about the sex  in the first instance of Shepard suggesting it. By the time he goes to her room, I think it's something much more. He doesn't need to say it for it to be love. He says she is his only friend, he respects no one as much as her, and he want's this one thing to go right...I think he loves her.

Yeah, you are definitively right. So awkwardly cute...<3
I really liked that about Garrus. He is not nervous when he must fight alone against almost a hundred mercs. But in the commander's private room... Oh.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
 
By the way, who wished they could have Garrus with them in Afterlife during the Samara mission just so they could see his reaction when the above mentioned horny turian comes onto you?  I'd have paid to see that.

Actually, I think he'd of just laughed and been like "this fool doesn't know what he's getting himself into" and watched in amusement as Shepard beat the crap out of him.  Garrus does not srike me as the possesive, smothering, protective type. 

Which leads me to another question.  What do you think a Garrus/Kaidan confrontation over Shepard might look like in ME3?

Such an interest topic!

[Soltana]

Flammie wrote...

Soltana wrote...

I swear, you go to sleep for just a few minutes (12 hours @__@) and you miss out on all the fun. I hate this timezone! I didn't read too hard so was it ever established as to why my arch nemesis is now a schoolgirl chicken? =x

You threw a safari ball, me and a rock at Garrus.
I attacked your monocle
I attacked your mustache
You tied me to train tracks
Fight etc.

SLANDEROUS FOWL! ........I never threw that rock.


I really can't say what I think of human vs. turian strength. There's a lot of things to consder there like Shep's upgrades. Do they do anything for that kind of thing? If they did,  to what degree? There's also what armor does for strength (it is stated in the codex that armor can give physical boosts like strength). What I do think, however, is that turians are fast. I dunno, they strike me as really quick-moving with how their bodies are built.

Also, no way would Garrus be the possessive or clingy (read: insecure) type. He has way too much respect for Shepard and if there's one thing he knows, it's that not only can she take care of herself, she could probably kick his ass too. I don't think Garrus would start anything or provoke a jilted Liara or Kaidan but he sure as hell would defend himself if either of them went psycho and Shepard too if they started running their mouths. But he wouldn't hesitate to step aside if Shepard wanted someone else. I think the main thing for him would be her happiness and he'd absolutely would respect her wishes.

*snort* But of course, who in their right mind would go that route.

Incoherent post is incoherent. It's been a long day.

[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Yep, but Shep's a cyborg soldier with all kinds of upgrades, mods, and experience pumping through her system.  It makes sense she could beat the crap out of a couple of thugs and a random civilian who makes unwelcome advances.  What about when Saren lifts Shep ove a big chasm with one hand?  And Garrus does sling Harkin up against a wall with one hand easily.  I think turians are on average a little stronger than humans, but Shep/Saren/Garrus may not be the best examples to use as they are all sort of supreme examples of their species potential.

Yeah, that scene where Garrus beat up Harkin struck me as a fairly decent beating, but only a fraction of the damage Garrus could have done if he'd been really trying.  After all, he's trying to interrogate him, not kill him (which I bet he could do easily even without a gun).

By the way, who wished they could have Garrus with them in Afterlife during the Samara mission just so they could see his reaction when the above mentioned horny turian comes onto you?  I'd have paid to see that.

Actually, I think he'd of just laughed and been like "this fool doesn't know what he's getting himself into" and watched in amusement as Shepard beat the crap out of him.

Haha!  I really like that interpretation, and I'm inclined to agree.

Which leads me to another question.  What do you think a Garrus/Kaidan confrontation over Shepard might look like in ME3?

I wonder about that also.  I'm glad I have playthrough where I romanced Kaidan in ME1 saved so I can find out, if they go down that road.

Shep floors those thugs with gut punches which implies their plating
didn't help them much but as mentioned Shep is far from average.

I've seen mentions in the fiction that there are areas on the turian body that are maybe less plated than others.  The neck appears to be such an area, from what we can see.  This makes sense to me, that areas that are supposed to bend, like the neck or waist, might have slightly less plating.  This might  make a gut punch more debilitating than, say, a hit to the chest.

Modifié par kglaser, 25 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[Flammie]

I love that you're using that banner.

And, oh yes you did so throw the rock.

Repost:



The battle for Garrus... there can only be one winner...
He's an innocent chicken dressed like a schoolgirl.
She's a b****.
He's a mascot.
She's a b****
He's fighting for the rest of the Garrus thread.
She's a b****
Who will be the winner? You decide. The battle in hell...
MASCOT VS. B****!!!!


(I'm kidding, I love you really ^v^)

Edit: I'm a mean, mean person.




The battle for Garrus... there can only be one winner.
She's a young'un
She's an old fart.
She's got some dangerous weapons
She's got a walker.
She's fighting for everybody everywhere in the Garrus thread.
She's just senile.
Who will be the winner? You decide. The battle in hell...
CERRYDD VS. KGLASER!!!

Modifié par Flammie, 25 avril 2010 - 01:32 .

[Soltana]

Flammie wrote...

I love that you're using that banner.

And, oh yes you did so throw the rock.

Repost:



The battle for Garrus... there can only be one winner...
He's an innocent chicken dressed like a schoolgirl.
She's a b****.
He's a mascot.
She's a b****
He's fighting for the rest of the Garrus thread.
She's a b****
Who will be the winner? You decide. The battle in hell...
MASCOT VS. B****!!!!


(I'm kidding, I love you really ^v^)

Edit: I'm a mean, mean person.




The battle for Garrus... there can only be one winner.
She's a young'un
She's an old fart.
She's got some dangerous weapons
She's got a walker.
She's fighting for everybody everywhere in the Garrus thread.
She's just senile.
Who will be the winner? You decide. The battle in hell...
CERRYDD VS. KGLASER!!!

FIX'D! Because every good villain needs a BOWLER HAT! And I'm not a B**ch! I'm THE B**ch! I'm the HBIC!
Just kiddin' *chicken noogies* I LOVE YOU TOO FLAMMIE!

 Poor KG. She can't be that senile if she loves Garrus as much as the rest of us. 

Modifié par Soltana, 25 avril 2010 - 01:51 .

[Flammie]

Oh, no, she's very senile. she's just trying to fit in whilst criticising us at the same time.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Oh word

[Xsause]

I redid Flammie's banner. It is now infinitely more awesome than the original banner I made for him.

[Flammie]

You are amazing. Yes, it's a much better improvement, now. Thanks a lot ^v^

[Timerider42]

kglaser wrote...

eta:  This has absolutely nothing whatever to do with Garrus, but I saw it in the Tali thread and found it too mesmerizing not to show you all (I'm off the hook because the rest of my post is about Garrus's VA, muahaha):

LOL. Where's robot-dancing Garrus?

[Xsause]

Flammie wrote...

You are amazing. Yes, it's a much better improvement, now. Thanks a lot ^v^

Hehe, thanks for the compliment. I also made an alternate version, but I didn't know if you'd like it.

[Flammie]

...Oh, wow, I don't know which one to pick. I like it a lot.



Hmm...

[Eradyn]

Choices, choices. XD



I think it safe to say, when comparing normal, unmodified humans to normal, unmodified turians, the turian will most likely come out on top. It's when you get into modified soldier-types that the lines become more blurred. Heck, look at Shepard and everything she's able to lift in-game. Huge steel slabs and beams. She's a hulk! Garrus has little difficulty flinging humans around like a ragdoll...and I think we can assume he's gone through modifications as well.

[Xsause]

Here's another banner!

Modifié par Xsause, 25 avril 2010 - 03:48 .

[Sand King]

@Xsause

Thats a really good one

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I wonder what a sparring match between Garrus and Male Shepard would look like. Hell, i would want thane to spar with garrus too just to see what it would look like.

[Eradyn]

aynxalot wrote...

Turians strike me as more "efficiently-built" when it comes to strength. They don't seem like they'd have much fat on them at all naturally (which may also play into their disliking of cooler temperatures). They also have a society where martial training is practically compulsory. Harkin isn't likely much of a scrapper to begin with, so he goes all ragdoll when Garrus gets ahold of him. I also think it would be neat if we saw more variation in a turian's build.
So, in the same sense that not every man can beat every woman in a fight, not every turian can beat every human in a fight, but on -average- turians may have the upper hand (not significant when you think of the average human, though). Pound for pound the turians may have a slight strength advantage, but humans have other advantages to bridge the gap. (Flexibility, anyone? > )
In that Cerberus news bit it almost sounds like the turian may have been allowed to use some of his natural weapons, which should be a no-no if you ask me.

Edit: Wow, ninja'd by Eradyn. Shouldn't take so long to think out my posts.

Nah, it's always good to have more insight and perspectives! ^^ I think it's more likely that turians are more physically capable, on average, than humans.  It's acknowledged by the codex and by in-game dialogue.  Of course, there are probably outliers...you'll have wimpy turians and beefed up hulk humans.  X3