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[Collider]

Also, I want to see Papa Vakarian DISPROVING. Garrus is pretty adamant about how his father feels about the Specters. I mean, to the point of where he pushed his son away from the training. The only thing we aren't sure about is his feelings towards humans. I want a 'Son, I am disappointed' moment... with a chance to change his opinion with your choices.

I think the part where we meet Garrus' father would be an excellent way for Bioware to fit in some unique romance dialog. It's also nice to have some sort of reference or effect outside of differently talking to the love interest on the Normandy.

[kglaser]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Collider wrote...

Yea agree 100%. Those are some good people to talk to you if Shepard's having problems. You hear that Bioware? Friendship paths for ME3

I support friendship chats with your best buddies in ME3! and in dlc if possible.

Yes!  To make up for those dialogues that were missing from ME2 that were in ME1.  Or even the ability to click on someone and hear a comment for goodness' sake!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Imagine them as LIs though. I think it would be much deeper and emotional. Ah...that just leaves a fuzzy feeling inside when you think about it.

[kglaser]

I just had a mental picture of ME3, just some random part of the game or a conversation with someone and Garrus is there, and he just gives you this *look*, this kind of penetrating stare, like only a lover would give you...know the kind of look I mean? And yes I think they have the talent to render that VERY well (even) with turian features...I would melt if he looked at me that way if he was my LI in ME2 and gave me a normal look if he wasn't.

[Evander]

Collider wrote...

Wow, my thoughts exactly. Garrus' is Shepard's bro 4 lyfe. Mass Effect 3 wouldn't feel like Mass Effect without him. Or an awesome LI if you play as femshep.

I feel like Garrus is the only squad member truly interested in fighting "evil" and pursuing justice outside of the confines of the mission at hand... everyone else went back to business as usual or went on a Shepard-centric crusade (I'm looking at you, Liara) after Shep kicked the bucket.  Which, depending on how you play your Shep, creates a natural affinity.  All of the great dialogue is just gravy.

And from the new crew... everyone either has the mission or their own agenda that they're working with.  I guess Samara might fall within the justice-seeker category too, with her contemplating returning to Omega after the mission's over to do some clean-up, implying that she's not just interested in cleaning up asari space, but she hasn't felt conflicted over any of her actions, which creates a little bit of a disconnect between her and Shepard.

In short, YES.  Garrus is a natural broseph.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

kglaser wrote...

I just had a mental picture of ME3, just some random part of the game or a conversation with someone and Garrus is there, and he just gives you this *look*, this kind of penetrating stare, like only a lover would give you...know the kind of look I mean? And yes I think they have the talent to render that VERY well (even) with turian features...I would melt if he looked at me that way if he was my LI in ME2 and gave me a normal look if he wasn't.

Almost like the stare he gives you during the romance?

[kglaser]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I just had a mental picture of ME3, just some random part of the game or a conversation with someone and Garrus is there, and he just gives you this *look*, this kind of penetrating stare, like only a lover would give you...know the kind of look I mean? And yes I think they have the talent to render that VERY well (even) with turian features...I would melt if he looked at me that way if he was my LI in ME2 and gave me a normal look if he wasn't.

Almost like the stare he gives you during the romance?

Yes, but...MORE so.

[Collider]

Evander wrote...
I feel like Garrus is the only squad member truly interested in fighting "evil" and pursuing justice outside of the confines of the mission at hand...

I'm not sure about the only one (For what it's worth, Tali rejoins you and does care about the mission), but I think he is the one most interested and determined. Garrus has always been one to look at the big picture - Saren, the Reapers, the Collectors.

Which, depending on how you play your Shep, creates a natural affinity.  All of the great dialogue is just gravy.

I agree, I loved how he recounted going after Saren, and how he says that the Reapers are going to have to go through hell with Shepard and Garrus after them.

In short, YES.  Garrus is a natural broseph.

Definitely

[Kotori Ky]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I just had a mental picture of ME3, just some random part of the game or a conversation with someone and Garrus is there, and he just gives you this *look*, this kind of penetrating stare, like only a lover would give you...know the kind of look I mean? And yes I think they have the talent to render that VERY well (even) with turian features...I would melt if he looked at me that way if he was my LI in ME2 and gave me a normal look if he wasn't.

Almost like the stare he gives you during the romance?

Yesssssssssssss. I would like some different reactions/comments/etc from characters depending on the LI you pursued. It would kind of flesh it out as being more than just a side thing on the ship, ya know?

And back to the 'Thane would listen to Shep's problems' comment... I can safely say nothing makes a partner feel less involved and important than being considered 'useless' to their Significant Other. I think Thane would feel worse if he knew Shepard didn't feel like she could talk to him about her issues. I know I always feel crappy when the people I care about don't feel like they can talk to me. Eh. /shrug

[Re_spawNZ7]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Collider wrote...

Yea agree 100%. Those are some good people to talk to you if Shepard's having problems. You hear that Bioware? Friendship paths for ME3

I support friendship chats with your best buddies in ME3! and in dlc if possible.

Totally agree. Sometimes it would be nice if one them asked Shep how she was going? Or actually had to work as a team to do something for Shep for a change.  Just to shake it up a bit and not make it all about them  lol.
On the Thane romance thing. I love Thane as a character and would probably been all over him like a rash if it wasn't for Garrus. I mean it's...Garrus...'nuff said. I did make a 3rd Shep just to romance Thane because he is an interesting character and hot....just not Garrus. Have to stay away from Garrus so I am not tempted. For once I am pleased there are so many calibrations!

Something I have been wondering is: what will Cerberus do to get Shep back under control? TLM won't want Shep going all rogue on him, so I wonder what leverage he will use to restrict her? Was thinking with the 'trying to save Thane' problem - will Cerebus use their advanced medical resources to extend his life - at a cost to Shep? Wild speculation as always, I know...just putting it out there...

And GARRUS:wub:

[Collider]

My bromance poll unsurprisingly has Garrus with more than 50% of the vote
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/5230/

[Collider]

Something I have been wondering is: what will Cerberus do to get Shep back under control? TLM won't want Shep going all rogue on him, so I wonder what leverage he will use to restrict her?

I don't know...I can't imagine ME3 being wildly different depending on whether you destroyed the base or not. There needs to be some sort of consistency for practicality's sake. I can totally see it making a big difference though. Getting hunted by Cerberus does not sound fun.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Collider wrote...

My bromance poll unsurprisingly has Garrus with more than 50% of the vote
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/5230/

Thats how we role!

And damn i wish i had a pc version so i could have my neil shepard as my avatar. Having him and garrus walking towards you with their guns drawn is like facing the bear calvary. You simply are ****ed.

[Evander]

Kotori Ky wrote...

Also, I want to see Papa Vakarian DISPROVING. Garrus is pretty adamant about how his father feels about the Specters. I mean, to the point of where he pushed his son away from the training. The only thing we aren't sure about is his feelings towards humans. I want a 'Son, I am disappointed' moment... with a chance to change his opinion with your choices.

Your choice as to whether or not to have the Alliance fleet go in to save the Council could have an impact on the general-opinion-of-humans, I feel like.  Respecting authority and not throwing them under the bus, in addition to acting as according to the duty of a race subject to the Citadel, should win some points.  Bit of a turian ethic in there.  But as you said, Papa Vakarian "like" of humanity is an unknown quantity.

Intial disapproval, though, I approve of... ha ha.  Can't have it be too easy, it even took some time to get Garrus to change his opinion on protocol and vengeance if you weren't playing a Renegade.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Something I have been wondering is: what will Cerberus do to get Shep back under control? TLM won't want Shep going all rogue on him, so I wonder what leverage he will use to restrict her? Was thinking with the 'trying to save Thane' problem - will Cerebus use their advanced medical resources to extend his life - at a cost to Shep? Wild speculation as always, I know...just putting it out there...

Theories...

1) The Illusive Man will gain control of EDI and all hell will break loose...

2) Cerberus will abduct  your love interest and force you to listen to them or else... Of course I have this whole depressing mental image/story where Garrus gets abducted while at Citadel while getting gifts for Shepard, and then later on the Illusive Man calls you and you see Garrus bound up and being tortured, but despite the pain, Garrus still manages to gaze at Shepard affectionately and tell her he loves her. Then the Illusive Man makes clear his disgust of Shepard's relationship with Garrus (xenophobic nonsense!) and that she better listen or Garrus will be killed... Then Shepard proceeds to fall on her knees and break down in tears where as Kasumi and Thane would be the to try and comfort her...

Of course after that there would be some major **** kicking but still it's sad to think about =(

[Collider]

That's a good point Evander, if we do meet his father and his impression of changes depending on what choices we make, then the council decision will (or should, anyway) factor.

[Collider]

Killing our love interests and favorite characters in ME3 = fail. Would just shut the game off. I didn't just go through two games for my favorite characters to die in ME3.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Collider wrote...

Killing our love interests and favorite characters in ME3 = fail. Would just shut the game off. I didn't just go through two games for my favorite characters to die in ME3.

Yes it would.... But having to choose between your LI and the call of duty is an insanely tough and upsetting decision and Bioware is very fond of making its fans make difficult and upsetting decisions...

Just saying... XD

[Collider]

I wouldn't like that either. I don't want to have to be a huge jerk to keep my love interest alive. Like if it's something like choosing to save your crew or your love interest, I'll save my crew, but I'll pissed at Bioware for doing that.

[Mrs Vakarian]

Yeah. I'm hoping Bioware doesn't do something like that... But hoping only does so much =/

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

You know what i hope? I hope bioware doesn't pull off another beginning of ME2, have a reaper blow the normandy out of space and kill everyone except shepard. That would be the ultimate troll against the entire fanbases.



raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage

[Collider]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You know what i hope? I hope bioware doesn't pull off another beginning of ME2, have a reaper blow the normandy out of space and kill everyone except shepard. That would be the ultimate troll against the entire fanbases.

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage

If that happens, I am going to the shut the game off and return the game. No question. The Reapers are boring as hell as enemies. I might rent the game, though, maybe. Anyways, that's not going to happen because Casey said that we will be able to see what happens to the stories of the characters who survived. I hope that includes that the love interests are recruitable.

[enormousmoonboots]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

Something I have been wondering is: what will Cerberus do to get Shep back under control? TLM won't want Shep going all rogue on him, so I wonder what leverage he will use to restrict her? Was thinking with the 'trying to save Thane' problem - will Cerebus use their advanced medical resources to extend his life - at a cost to Shep? Wild speculation as always, I know...just putting it out there...

Theories...

1) The Illusive Man will gain control of EDI and all hell will break loose...

2) Cerberus will abduct  your love interest and force you to listen to them or else... Of course I have this whole depressing mental image/story where Garrus gets abducted while at Citadel while getting gifts for Shepard, and then later on the Illusive Man calls you and you see Garrus bound up and being tortured, but despite the pain, Garrus still manages to gaze at Shepard affectionately and tell her he loves her. Then the Illusive Man makes clear his disgust of Shepard's relationship with Garrus (xenophobic nonsense!) and that she better listen or Garrus will be killed... Then Shepard proceeds to fall on her knees and break down in tears where as Kasumi and Thane would be the to try and comfort her...

Of course after that there would be some major **** kicking but still it's sad to think about =(

Second one's impossible. Major plot points can't be based off romances because romances are optional--also, players new to ME3 won't have any romances.

I doubt TIM could take control of EDI--she's not just a computer program, she's a full-fledged AI. AIs seem to be more or less unhackable in the ME universe. You need to blow up the nodes on the moon and on the gambling AI. You can hack the geth, but the ones you fight are all just sophisticated VIs and they break free of your (direct) control in seconds anyway.

Evander wrote...
I feel like Garrus is the only squad member
truly interested in fighting "evil" and pursuing justice outside of the
confines of the mission at hand... everyone else went back to business
as usual or went on a Shepard-centric crusade (I'm looking at you,
Liara) after Shep kicked the bucket.  Which, depending on how you play
your Shep, creates a natural affinity.  All of the great dialogue is
just gravy.

Actually, I'd disagree about the Shepard-related crusade part--Omega is 100% Garrus trying to work like Shepard did. A lot of people complain about Garrus screwing off to shoot people in the ass end of nowhere after pushing him towards the Spectres in ME1, but...he did it because of you. Garrus gets so frustrated by people ****ting on Shep's name he goes out and tries to do things like Shepard would--he can't fight the Reapers, but he can try to make life better for some people in a hellhole.

[Evander]

A Virmire scenario is one thing, but skewing the life-balance more than that... ASDFAJDHF:KSDJFDFL:KJDSKF



But at this juncture, the Reapers are still the biggest threat, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Humanity isn't going to be getting the upper hand on anyone with the Reapers even more pissed off at humanity with Shepard's punching them in their figurative inorganic uterus. Cerberus wouldn't be gaining any particular benefits by getting coercing Shepard to follow their specific agenda, they'd just be setting themselves up to get burned later. TIM is nothing if not pragmatic.



If it becomes apparent that the destruction of the Reapers is close at hand at any point, though...



Also, Garrus.

[Collider]

I actually like that Garrus and Tali did not try to save Shepard or something after s/he dies at the beginning of ME2. They have other things to do then worry about the dead being dead.