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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

If TIM is seriously that stupid enough to try to kill or even ****** off shepard after everything he/she has done, then i have a cannifex bullet with his name on it. If anything i think he would be like what the council was in ME1, constantly **** and complain with mostly what you do.



But i would think if he does try to get to you it would be through one of your squadmates. If its garrus i would raaaaaage so bad. And if i was able to get garrus back alive i would forgive him for whatever info he gave to cerberus and then go on a cerberus killing spree.

[Collider]

Like enormous said, I doubt they're going to do heavy plot points like that with squad mates that are potentially dead or just your romance interest.

[Mrs Vakarian]

OMG I just realized The Illusive Man can be shortened to TIM... Thank you enormousmoonboots for that revelation... I shall to refer to him as TIM the xenophobic jerk...



Anyways, if I remember correctly there was something programed in EDI that she didn't have access or info to other than that the TIM the xenophobic jerk had put it in her... Don't remember where she mentioned that but I've always been anxious about it XD



As for my second theory, Cerberus could abduct anyone important to get to Shepard... I just thought a LI would be more dramatic.. Plus if people hadn't played the games before ME3, then they seriously fail at life and no one care about them anyways =P

[Re_spawNZ7]

Mrs Vakarian wrote...

Collider wrote...

Killing our love interests and favorite characters in ME3 = fail. Would just shut the game off. I didn't just go through two games for my favorite characters to die in ME3.

Yes it would.... But having to choose between your LI and the call of duty is an insanely tough and upsetting decision and Bioware is very fond of making its fans make difficult and upsetting decisions...

Just saying... XD

I agree with this...there will have to be a crisis decision for you and you LI. Something that makes you sit and stare at the screen for ages...stressing... How much WOULD we sacrifice for our LI?

At the moment, I think my Sheps would rip the universe off its hinges for either Garrus or Thane...but then, I play paragon, so dilemma would be AWFUL.

I feel a little sad just thinking about it.  And I KNOW Bioware will be mean and cause emotional conflict....that is the worst (and best) part of their style.  If you want something to succeed, you are going to have to really work for it.

[enormousmoonboots]

Before the Collector attack, EDI has locks on her, preventing her from accessing certain information, along with most of the ship's systems. Joker disables these locks when the crew is taken--if you talk to EDI at any point after that, she answers everything that was inaccessible before. Cerberus has no control over her anymore.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Before the Collector attack, EDI has locks on her, preventing her from accessing certain information, along with most of the ship's systems. Joker disables these locks when the crew is taken--if you talk to EDI at any point after that, she answers everything that was inaccessible before. Cerberus has no control over her anymore.

Wa wa WHAT? Why the hell did i miss this, well what does she tell you?

[Mrs Vakarian]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Before the Collector attack, EDI has locks on her, preventing her from accessing certain information, along with most of the ship's systems. Joker disables these locks when the crew is taken--if you talk to EDI at any point after that, she answers everything that was inaccessible before. Cerberus has no control over her anymore.

Really? Oh wow. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I should spend less time interrupting Garrus and his calibrations and more time learning the technical aspects of the ship XD

But still... Even though I trust EDI, I still get extremely anxious when it comes to AIs... It just takes one malfunction or virus... =/

[enormousmoonboots]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Before the Collector attack, EDI has locks on her, preventing her from accessing certain information, along with most of the ship's systems. Joker disables these locks when the crew is taken--if you talk to EDI at any point after that, she answers everything that was inaccessible before. Cerberus has no control over her anymore.

Wa wa WHAT? Why the hell did i miss this, well what does she tell you?

You can chat with her either if you keep playing after the end of the game or if you talk to her before going through Omega-4. Anyway, she says some interesting stuff--Cerberus only has about 150 members, for example. And TIM personally oversees every single project because he's a massive control freak (suddenly, all of the 'rogue cell' stuff Miranda fed us about the ME1 Cerberus projects starts smelling like even more bull****). IIRC, Cerberus is privately funded by 'big business' tycoons and contractors, they're the ones who encouraged the Alliance to collaborate with the turians to build the SR1 in the first place (which is why TIM was able to build the SR2 so close to the original specs, he could easily access the plans). Also, EDI was partly constructed from Sovereign's remains.

I'm pretty sure that ME AIs are unaffected by viruses. Part of the whole 'unhackable' thing. Same thing with 'malfunctions'--at least, no more affected by malfunctions than sentients usually are...

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 29 avril 2010 - 05:24 .

[Evander]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Evander wrote...
I feel like Garrus is the only squad member truly interested in fighting "evil" and pursuing justice outside of the confines of the mission at hand... everyone else went back to business as usual or went on a Shepard-centric crusade (I'm looking at you, Liara) after Shep kicked the bucket.  Which, depending on how you play your Shep, creates a natural affinity.  All of the great dialogue is just gravy.

Actually, I'd disagree about the Shepard-related crusade part--Omega is 100% Garrus trying to work like Shepard did. A lot of people complain about Garrus screwing off to shoot people in the ass end of nowhere after pushing him towards the Spectres in ME1, but...he did it because of you. Garrus gets so frustrated by people ****ting on Shep's name he goes out and tries to do things like Shepard would--he can't fight the Reapers, but he can try to make life better for some people in a hellhole.

I agree with you on the nature of the shift of Garrus's outlet of crimefighting being influenced by Shepard, but it still stands that he had a desire to take out the trash when he wasn't helping take down the Reapers, aside from it being his occupation. Influenced by Shepard, sure, but he had the drive toward that particular activity to begin with.

Liara wouldn't have messed with or be obsessed with taking down the Shadow Broker if he hadn't wanted to peddle Shepard's corpse to the Collectors.  Shepard-centric, plus some moral compromise for flavor.

... I don't think we're actually saying anything contrary to what the other said, we're just making different points.

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, pretty much. Though, I do think that a Garrus who never met Shepard would never have ended up on Omega.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Yeah, pretty much. Though, I do think that a Garrus who never met Shepard would never have ended up on Omega.

Maybe maybe not. He probably might of dropped off the grid as soon as you blew him off.

But of course you would have to be a god damn moron to even do such a thing.

[Evander]

So you were getting more at the not quite "business as usual."



It's true. And disgruntled C-Sec officer Garrus, while still getting the job done, isn't as epic as vigilante Garrus.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

You know, i was thinking about continueing the story i made with the firewalker missions. That seemed like there would be so much potential for open dialouge but we got....nothing. I might give it a shot one day.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wouldn't like that either. I don't want to have to be a huge jerk to keep my love interest alive. Like if it's something like choosing to save your crew or your love interest, I'll save my crew, but I'll pissed at Bioware for doing that.

 
That works in Dragon Age.  Mass Effect is a whole other breed of cat.  Keep that stuff in the "dark heroic" fantasy please.  DAO is supposed to make you squirm.  ME is supposed to make you think.  I don't you think you can actually be "evil" in ME if you try.  Mean, yes.  Evil, no.  But you can make a lot of decisions for purely selfish reasons in DAO...Morrigan ritual anyone?  But I don't think something like that would fit right into ME.

I agree. Especially since Mass Effect is a trilogy. DA got away from it's dark ending, but trilogies like ME should have the happy ending at the end. Otherwise, it feels as if I just played those two games for nothing.

[enormousmoonboots]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Yeah, pretty much. Though, I do think that a Garrus who never met Shepard would never have ended up on Omega.

Maybe maybe not. He probably might of dropped off the grid as soon as you blew him off.

But of course you would have to be a god damn moron to even do such a thing.

No, I don't mean he never got recruited--I mean a Garrus who never even met Shepard, who might have heard about this crazy new human Spectre who took down Saren then got her ass killed on the news but never met her. Maybe he was late to work that day and some other detective got the Saren investigation job.

Without that spark, that rebellious inspiration and influence (and even Paragon Shep is fairly rebellious, as far as the Council goes), I don't think he'd ever have quite gotten up the motivation to get out of C-Sec. I think part of the reason he leaps after Shep so fast when you first meet him is that he sees a way out, and by god, he's going to take that opportunity. But if he doesn't get an opportunity, he doesn't leave.

[Collider]

Garrus knows what the big picture. That's part of why he's awesome.

[Flammie]

Hmm, yesterday it was lack of the usual heavy debaters, and now they were online today the thread's accelerated a lot more... though I saw a lack of drunkies. Anyway...



I'd have to agree with all that was said, anyhow. Garrus knows what to think and knows what to do a lot of the time.

[Cerrydd]

One thing I really like about Garrus (among many other things) is that he still wants to make a difference in this world. He really wants to fight injustice to make this galaxy a better place. Some of the other squadmates have that too (Thane, Samara), but I agree with enormousmoonboots that working with Shepard really opened his eyes. If he never met Shep, he would probably still be in C-Sec, trying to do his thing there. Garrus is pretty impulsive; if he sees something, he wants to jump it immediately. When you first see him ME1, he's very eager to do something about the problem called Saren, but C-Sec doesn't give him the chance to work on it the way he wants to.

His work with Shep to bring down Saren really fuels his desires to do something right. After Shep's death and everyone on the council rejecting everthing he/she fought for, he starts his own little project on Omega. I bet he got ants in his ass (it's a Dutch expression, I don't even know if it's the same in English ), and flew to Omega to do some good work. The guy just wants to be busy man. He doesn't want to sit back, relax and see what happens in the world; he wants to be part of the world, making sure he's doing something that benefits the galaxy.

His little plan on Omega starts well. He's getting things done, gathers a team and points his gun and shoots. Then, suddenly his plan goes to hell, and Garrus ends up being the only one holding the line and fighting off 3 merc gangs. And he won't stop. If Shepard didn't show up at that particular point, he would've continued fighting, eventually resulting in his death. But at least he would die doing something he always wanted: making the galaxy a better place.

That's why he'll never refuse to help Shepard. Garrus knows Shepard is trying to do the exact same thing he was practically born to do. Making a difference, the right way. He will always have Shepard's back.



And now it's time for me to take a shower and prepare my sex ed lesson for this afternoon. I don't want to blackout and start rambling about chafing. I too want to make the world a better place: SAFE SEX, DEAR CHILDREN!

[Nivenus]

Cerrydd wrote...

One thing I really like about Garrus (among many other things) is that he still wants to make a difference in this world. He really wants to fight injustice to make this galaxy a better place. Some of the other squadmates have that too (Thane, Samara), but I agree with enormousmoonboots that working with Shepard really opened his eyes. If he never met Shep, he would probably still be in C-Sec, trying to do his thing there. Garrus is pretty impulsive; if he sees something, he wants to jump it immediately. When you first see him ME1, he's very eager to do something about the problem called Saren, but C-Sec doesn't give him the chance to work on it the way he wants to.

His work with Shep to bring down Saren really fuels his desires to do something right. After Shep's death and everyone on the council rejecting everthing he/she fought for, he starts his own little project on Omega. I bet he got ants in his ass (it's a Dutch expression, I don't even know if it's the same in English ), and flew to Omega to do some good work. The guy just wants to be busy man. He doesn't want to sit back, relax and see what happens in the world; he wants to be part of the world, making sure he's doing something that benefits the galaxy.

His little plan on Omega starts well. He's getting things done, gathers a team and points his gun and shoots. Then, suddenly his plan goes to hell, and Garrus ends up being the only one holding the line and fighting off 3 merc gangs. And he won't stop. If Shepard didn't show up at that particular point, he would've continued fighting, eventually resulting in his death. But at least he would die doing something he always wanted: making the galaxy a better place.

That's why he'll never refuse to help Shepard. Garrus knows Shepard is trying to do the exact same thing he was practically born to do. Making a difference, the right way. He will always have Shepard's back.



And now it's time for me to take a shower and prepare my sex ed lesson for this afternoon. I don't want to blackout and start rambling about chafing. I too want to make the world a better place: SAFE SEX, DEAR CHILDREN!

QFT. I agree completely, though I hadn't thought of it quite that way before. In a way, one can say that while Shepard's paragon/renegade influencing doesn't affect him a whole lot, Shepard's very presence has certainly had an impact on Garrus' character. Regardless of which way you push him, Garrus is no longer interested in catching the criminal; he's interested in fighting injustice. It's a distinct difference, as my to-be cop brother would say.

[Jackalope]

Also, EDI was partly constructed from Sovereign's remains.

Oh, yeah, that's not going to bite us in the butt in ME3...

And I agree with not comparing ME to DA...DA has this 'Camalot' feel while ME is a space opera.  Different tone, different themes.  I really doubt we need to do a dark ritual with Tali to keep Garrus alive.

However, Alistair was shirtless in that one prison scene....oh oh oh oh Mass Effect prison scene.  You and Garrus can be arrested.  Then we'd get our shirtless Garrus scene.

You're welcome Bioware.

Modifié par Jackalope, 29 avril 2010 - 10:55 .

[Re_spawNZ7]

I had to sneak away to RL for a while and now bed is calling. But before I go...another question. We've nutted out the whole Cerberus thing and what we would and wouldn't do for LI - but what if it was switched? How much do you guys think Garrus would risk for Shep? Regardless of LI status - if he thought she(he) was in jepody and only he could set it right...?

Sorry, tired and still thinking of how Bioware will bring a crisis moment into it. Perhaps I am thinking about this too much...but hey...I love when we speculate on things! And, let's face it, this is the only place I can obsess about ME and Garrus (and Thane, who will always come in second - sorry Thane) and know I am surrounded by those who understand lol

Night all =)

[Kotori Ky]

Garrus would risk everything for Shepard. He states it very clearly in his comment of "You realize this has me walking into hell too. Just like old times." And even when you reject him, he's got your back. I could see Garrus storming into the Council in ME3 and letting those idiots have it if something happened to Shepard. And he'd flat out turn TIM inside out and play craps with his eyes if he did anything to Shepard. Even if they weren't in a relationship. I have the feeling that Garrus would flat out turn the universe inside out for Shepard, as a lover or a bro.

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, Garrus would risk everything--though I don't know if that's saying much, because he doesn't have a whole lot to risk aside from his life. Going off the grid for two years probably blew any status among turians that he had, he's got no money, he lives on the Normandy and has no other home, no other friends. He'd risk it all for Shepard because...well, Shepard is his all.