Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Also, I'm not talking about projecting our cultural mores onto aliens, but so far as I know sexual orientation is not a more. How people react to that is where the mores come in. Me being heterosexual is not a more. Western cultural response to my heterosexuality is the more. Likewise, a turian being heterosexual is not a more. I'm of the persuasion that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. (This is my opinion. I freely admit I can't prove it.) I think sexual orientation determined by a mix of genes and upbringing, and I recognize that some people are more "open" than others but that is because their particular conditions have sculpted them to be so. Others are more rigid. To say that some people who have been straight their whole life are capable of having a random gay fling here or there is perfectly true. To say that ANYONE is capable of that is not so true I think. Some people's orientation is rather set in stone. I'm pretty darn sure mine is for instance. And for both Garrus and Tali to just "happen" to be the types that are open in this way would personally strain my credulity to the breaking point. I would feel like the characters were so malleable to fan desires that they had no backbone at all. Much as I am glad that these characters are shape-able, it is their intractable qualities which really draw me to them.
By mores, I suppose I'm referring more to social pressures--IMO people are usually a bit more complicated than 100% heterosexual with no leanings or interest at any point in their lives
ever, but society pressures people to conform to a norm. Usually western society is real big on dudes + dudes = OMG GROSS NO EXCEPTIONS YOU CAN'T FEEL THAT WAY so people ignore/repress/etc, but that's not the same case throughout history or around the world. Not to say that everyone is a ~Secret Bisexual~, but I think people have more variance than they usually express.
...I think we're actually agreeing on most points, just coming at the topic from opposite sides. I agree that it would be an asspull to have bisexual Garrus out of nowhere in ME3, but I'd disagree that it's totally impossible. I'm a longtime Trek fan, so I'm used to going 'aliens are different, fukin aliens how do they work' etc (soooo how 'bout them Klingon foreheads :U). Being a comic book fan also gives me a +5 save versus retcons. So it wouldn't strain my credulity. I'd find it sloppy, though (I seen some pretty bad retcons, though. Alien sexuality is nothin' next to Maxwell Lord).
Here's a random question. Why do turians always wear gloves in public? I mean as far I recall the only reason we even know they have talons is because of Saren. I know they mostly did that to make Saren look cool, but do you think other turians wear gloves to avoid damaging things with their claws or for some other reason? I always kind of wanted to see Garrus' talons myself. I mean come on, we've never seen anything but his neck up...not that my mind is too much in the gutter or anything.
Are we sure Saren wasn't wearing gauntlets of some kind? If not, what the hell is up with his hands? The 'talon' part is like, the entire finger? And they bend? Hands do not work that way.
It's my theory that turians are bad at retaining heat--they're fully dressed at all times, even in climate-controlled areas (I had to raise an eyebrow at a turian on the Citadel in a turtleneck standing with one of those women wearing the dress with all the holes in it), Grunt comments that you don't see them out of armor much, they're uncomfortable in the cold, etc. Wearing gloves is more comfortable for them and helps them stay warm.
also I really like the mental image of Garrus cuddled up in blankets in Shep's quarters. m-moe
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The only picture I have of Saren is on the cover of Revelation, but it looks like he's wearing gloves there.
