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[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...
I thought this might be what you were saying. Although the Council does tend to play the "we don't believe you" card a little too often. I'm almost puzzled as to why they were convinced by Anderson (if you chose him) to reinstate you as a Spectre? They certainly don't seem to trust you.

I believe Udina may be trying to demonize or otherwise stem Shepard's power, possible manipulating the Council in believing that Shepard is a lost case. Udina may be of the opinion that people like Shepard may be bad for the image of humanity - and siding against Shepard may earn him some points among the council. Or, they don't reinstate Shepard because Shepard chose Udina, whom they may not have liked.

I only hope that Udina becomes competent or is portrayed as such in ME3 - otherwise the endgame choice of ME1 boils down to a disappointing choose "Mr. Awesome" (Anderson) or choose "Mr. Douchebag" (Udina). Not much of a choice, and would be the "right/wrong" (as opposed to paragon/renegade philosophical choices) that Bioware should for the most part steer against.

[Aricle]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

http://helllemur.dev...nking-112729279


Not near as good as the other two, but still decent.  It's got some anatomy issues.  Also, contains minor nudity so beware, stay out kiddies, all the usual disclaimers.

Huh, I can't get that address to show up as a link for some reason....grrrr.

Reminds me of this one a  bit: i.imgur.com/h6TTjl.jpg

Nudity yet again the nudity is not the main focus, IMO. (And, yes, joining was easy)

EDIT: Great minds think alike. I see this one in your listed pic links.

Modifié par Aricle, 30 avril 2010 - 07:49 .

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...
I thought this might be what you were saying. Although the Council does tend to play the "we don't believe you" card a little too often. I'm almost puzzled as to why they were convinced by Anderson (if you chose him) to reinstate you as a Spectre? They certainly don't seem to trust you.

I believe Udina may be trying to demonize or otherwise stem Shepard's power, possible manipulating the Council in believing that Shepard is a lost case. Udina may be of the opinion that people like Shepard may be bad for the image of humanity - and siding against Shepard may earn him some points among the council. Or, they don't reinstate Shepard because Shepard chose Udina, whom they may not have liked.

I only hope that Udina becomes competent or is portrayed as such in ME3 - otherwise the endgame choice of ME1 boils down to a disappointing choose "Mr. Awesome" (Anderson) or choose "Mr. Douchebag" (Udina). Not much of a choice, and would be the "right/wrong" (as opposed to paragon/renegade philosophical choices) that Bioware should for the most part steer against.

I was actually saying the opposite. Why does the Council bother to reinstate you if you chose Anderson? Except for him they really don't seem to have a high opinion of you. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, but if they really believe you're either delusional or lying and that you're allied with their enemies... it's one of the few parts of the ME2 story that really bothers me.

Might be getting away from the Garrus topic though. Though I know what he'd tell the turian councilor to go ahead and do with his "dismissals."

[Collider]

I was actually saying the opposite. Why does the Council bother to reinstate you if you chose Anderson? Except for him they really don't seem to have a high opinion of you. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, but if they really believe you're either delusional or lying and that you're allied with their enemies... it's one of the few parts of the ME2 story that really bothers me.

Well I was viewing it more on why Udina does not allow you to be reinstated rather than why Anderson allows you, because I do not really know the latter (I chose Udina as the councilor in the playthrough I imported in ME2).



I think that the council may come around in ME3. I tend to the view the roadblocks as all leading up to the part where they get their senses and you can tell them "I told you so." If not, it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum against the Reapers with Garrus, and Shepard's out of gum. Part of the reason why Garrus is awesome, he knows the big picture.

[enormousmoonboots]

--actually, thinking about it, the Council has no excuse--the Morning War was only 200 years ago, the asari councilor would certainly have been alive. There's no way they don't know what the geth look like. Viral videos are bad enough right now, imagine how much omni-tool footage there was of the first geth uprisings. Their appearance has never been secret, if you wanted to know (which would be why the Noveria security woman would be confused, doubt she ever cared).

[Collider]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

--actually, thinking about it, the Council has no excuse--the Morning War was only 200 years ago, the asari councilor would certainly have been alive. There's no way they don't know what the geth look like. Viral videos are bad enough right now, imagine how much omni-tool footage there was of the first geth uprisings. Their appearance has never been secret, if you wanted to know (which would be why the Noveria security woman would be confused, doubt she ever cared).

Yea, good point. Another point is that had the Asari councilor mind melded with Shepard as Liara did, would she not then believe in the Reapers? Unless the councilor is exceedingly proud or something, it seems like something that is possible.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

I was actually saying the opposite. Why does the Council bother to reinstate you if you chose Anderson? Except for him they really don't seem to have a high opinion of you. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, but if they really believe you're either delusional or lying and that you're allied with their enemies... it's one of the few parts of the ME2 story that really bothers me.

Well I was viewing it more on why Udina does not allow you to be reinstated rather than why Anderson allows you, because I do not really know the latter (I chose Udina as the councilor in the playthrough I imported in ME2).

I understand why Anderson wants you reinstated. But the human vote isn't enough to get you reinstated unless the salarian and the asari also go along (because the turian guy's clearly not biting). And frankly, they didn't seem much more convinced that you were sane than the turian councilor (though only the salarian seemed downright skeptical out of the two).

Collider wrote...

I think that the council may come around in ME3. I tend to the view the roadblocks as all leading up to the part where they get their senses and you can tell them "I told you so." If not, it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum against the Reapers with Garrus, and Shepard's out of gum. Part of the reason why Garrus is awesome, he knows the big picture.

I can see that happening. I can also see them eating their words.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Collider wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

--actually, thinking about it, the Council has no excuse--the Morning War was only 200 years ago, the asari councilor would certainly have been alive. There's no way they don't know what the geth look like. Viral videos are bad enough right now, imagine how much omni-tool footage there was of the first geth uprisings. Their appearance has never been secret, if you wanted to know (which would be why the Noveria security woman would be confused, doubt she ever cared).

Yea, good point. Another point is that had the Asari councilor mind melded with Shepard as Liara did, would she not then believe in the Reapers? Unless the councilor is exceedingly proud or something, it seems like something that is possible.

I don't think her seeing it in Shep's head would matter.  "We believe that you believe it, but that doesn't make it true," as the asari councilor says.

She would see Sovereign, see the plight of the Protheans, etc. That should be enough.

[enormousmoonboots]

Collider wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

--actually, thinking about it, the Council has no excuse--the Morning War was only 200 years ago, the asari councilor would certainly have been alive. There's no way they don't know what the geth look like. Viral videos are bad enough right now, imagine how much omni-tool footage there was of the first geth uprisings. Their appearance has never been secret, if you wanted to know (which would be why the Noveria security woman would be confused, doubt she ever cared).

Yea, good point. Another point is that had the Asari councilor mind melded with Shepard as Liara did, would she not then believe in the Reapers? Unless the councilor is exceedingly proud or something, it seems like something that is possible.

Well, all she'd have gotten is what Shepard saw, which was a disconnected mass of images. Don't think she'd have picked up on the Prothean-ness or whatever it was that convinced Shepard that it was real, since it's second hand. I believe she says at one point that all melding would tell her is that Shepard believes it--which isn't that helpful. Liara, being a Prothean expert and also willing to believe Shepard, is pretty convinced from the outright.

[Nivenus]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Collider wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

--actually, thinking about it, the Council has no excuse--the Morning War was only 200 years ago, the asari councilor would certainly have been alive. There's no way they don't know what the geth look like. Viral videos are bad enough right now, imagine how much omni-tool footage there was of the first geth uprisings. Their appearance has never been secret, if you wanted to know (which would be why the Noveria security woman would be confused, doubt she ever cared).

Yea, good point. Another point is that had the Asari councilor mind melded with Shepard as Liara did, would she not then believe in the Reapers? Unless the councilor is exceedingly proud or something, it seems like something that is possible.

Well, all she'd have gotten is what Shepard saw, which was a disconnected mass of images. Don't think she'd have picked up on the Prothean-ness or whatever it was that convinced Shepard that it was real, since it's second hand. I believe she says at one point that all melding would tell her is that Shepard believes it--which isn't that helpful. Liara, being a Prothean expert and also willing to believe Shepard, is pretty convinced from the outright.

Actually, if she went deep, she'd probably pick up the cipher and Liara's deciphering of the data too. She'd get everything. Which means she'd have a lot more than simply random images to go on.

I'm still of the opinion that mind melding is some kind of intimate act for the asari and that may be the reason for it never coming up. Though that would make her unnecessarily prudish since the fate of the galaxy may be on the line.

[Collider]

Intimate...Shiala mind melds with Shepard yet didn't seem to have any reservations about it. Anyways, I think the whole mind melding business is ridiculous and seems to be space magic. I'd much have preferred that we told Liara of our visions and she put the pieces together from that.

[Chimervera]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Chimervera wrote...

Well, if we're posting pics, here's one that I don't think has been on the thread yet (mild NSFW for suggestive pose): http://elvera90.devi...-crap-161891219

Also, with the "Garrus Vakarian Facts" banners, should I add them into the animated "Clan Vakarian" banner, make a new animated banner, or - if no-one's interested - neither?

I request "Garrus Vakarian once won a game of connect four in three moves."

"Garrus Vakarian can delete the recycle bin"  and

"Garrus Vakarian is the reason Waldo is hiding."  I love those.  They are my favorite in the facts list.  For some reason, Garrus doing mundane impossible things is riotously funny to me.  They'd make great banners.

Is this what you were after?



Is it acceptable? Should I start compiling the entire list into a banner as well? Throw me a line here, Garrus fans!

[Aricle]

Chimervera wrote...

Is this what you were after?



Is it acceptable? Should I start compiling the entire list into a banner as well? Throw me a line here, Garrus fans!

Line thrown: I like that idea.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Intimate...Shiala mind melds with Shepard yet didn't seem to have any reservations about it. Anyways, I think the whole mind melding business is ridiculous and seems to be space magic. I'd much have preferred that we told Liara of our visions and she put the pieces together from that.

Well it does pretty much exist solely to justify asari really getting around with other species. But of course, Garrus, Tali, and Thane need none of these silly justifications.

[Collider]

I've got many criticisms of the Asari in general.

But of course, Garrus, Tali, and Thane need none of these silly justifications.

yep And the Turians are most interesting race in ME IMO, as well as one of the best designed alien races I've ever seen.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

I've got many criticisms of the Asari in general.

But of course, Garrus, Tali, and Thane need none of these silly justifications.

yep And the Turians are most interesting race in ME IMO, as well as one of the best designed alien races I've ever seen.

I actually like the quarians slightly better, but only because ME2 and Ascension really fleshed them out on top of what we already knew from ME1. We still don't know much about the turians beyond what we've read in the Codex since ME1.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

But Shep doesn't have the cipher and all that whatnot at Saren's trial. The next time she sees the council face to face is after the battle of the citadel. The only reason she makes the connection is because of the data Tali recovered from the geth and that is actually a rather large leap of logic on Shep's part. That bit always bugged the empiricist in me. Heck, *I* half didn't believe Shepard so I didn't really blame the council for taking the conservative side of things. Now ignoring the giant sentient starship that is Sovreign that attacked the Citadel. That's another thing entirely.

And, oh yea, Garrus?

I believe Collider was speaking about ME2 or near the end of ME1, where they could have just read Shep's mind and seen he whole thing.

Modifié par Nivenus, 30 avril 2010 - 08:12 .

[Kim Shepard]

At the very end of Revelation, Saren has either found Sovereign or at least knows about Sovereign. And he doesn't have a geth arm in his picture on the cover (which makes sense, because that would have happened after Sovereign started to indocrinate him). His face looks the same though, glowing eyes and all. ...I think Saren has been tied with Garrus for my favorite character for a while.

Also, on the topic of the councilors - I would like to see Shepard say "Dismiss this!" to them when the Reapers show up. xD

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 30 avril 2010 - 08:12 .

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...
I actually like the quarians slightly better, but only because ME2 and Ascension really fleshed them out on top of what we already knew from ME1. We still don't know much about the turians beyond what we've read in the Codex since ME1.

I of course like the Quarians, but we did get a peak into the culture with Tali's loyalty mission. We haven't the same with the Turians.