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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

so hopefully guys with some new upcoming dlc we can might get moar garrus! Unless its another crappy alternate appearance pack.

[kglaser]

At least Garrus was in the first alternate appearance pack. Maybe that doesn't have any special significance, that he was in the first group, but I like to think it does.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

kglaser wrote...

At least Garrus was in the first alternate appearance pack. Maybe that doesn't have any special significance, that he was in the first group, but I like to think it does.

You know what else is significant, don't know if people noticed this. But when it asks you to pick your squad, the cursor starts on garrus. Bioware is indirectly sending everyone a message that garrus should always be first pick 

[kglaser]

Yeah!! That's true; he's in the center! More Garrus indoctrination...yeeess, yeess...my preecioous...

*ahem* sorry. :/

[irene9876]

janeym27 wrote...

I've actually been doing a couple of LI PTs (not complete PTs, as this one will be. More like relationship biased ones to get from zero to zex with the characters as quickly as possible) recently, and I've noticed something: Shep (Male and Female) doesn't really come on to any one character particularly strongly. At least, not in the way people have complained about it. People keep saying FemShep is 'too forward', but she's about exactly as forward as MaleShep, so what's the biggie? They are, after all, meant to be the same base character. I can understand frustration at the way they get on with their LIs in terms of coming from a paragon/renegade perspective (there should totally be different paths you can take in a romance without ending it), but the male/female thing? I don't get it.

I also cannot see how any of the characters who aren't Jack could ever come onto Shep without it being a tad OOC, unless s/he made the first move. S/he's the commander, for pete's sake! 

Sigh. Sorry. OT vent over.

Hi. 

I know I've never posted here before, but I am a frequent lurker.

Garrus is my favorite character in the ME universe, but not exactly my favorite LI because I do think FemShep comes on too strong...as she does (IMO) with all the ME2 LIs.

The way I see it, since ME is supposed to be an RPG, I should be able to inject a bit of myself into the characters I create.  And for starters, I don't make and play female characters just to run around being Mrs.  MAN.  Just because this game revolves around Shepherd doesn't mean that the male and female variants must be the same.  (Specifically in relation to personality).

Now this is probably not the case with you, but I do have a personal bias (as I'm sure many people do) that a woman  who flirts as forwardly as a man does is "loose" or a ****.  So, personally, I find it repulsing when FemShep starts hitting on (or from my perspective, throwing herself at) all the male LIs.  I feel my FemSheps should have more dignity.  It doesn't help that in ME2 the romance plots go from "hi" to "lets have SEX!!!" so quickly, either.

I actually prefer the female romance plots that Bioware writes where the male LI shows an interest first.  It doesn't have to be blatant, necessarily, either.  It could be subtle hints, as was the case with Kaidan.  Or it could be playful teasing, like Carth's romance in KOTOR (my favorite Bioware LI btw...especially when he says he's going to take me over his knee and "teach [me] a lesson" ).

Now, I do agree that it would be OOC for any of the LIs in ME2 to come straight up to FemShep and say "I like you.  Let's date!"  But that doesn't mean the only solution, then, is for FemShep to come straight up to the male LIs and say "I like you.  Let's DO IT!"  IMO, the ME2 romances could have been done better.  As it stands, I rarely pursue the LI subplots in this game.

I hope that answers your question a little. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Alright we need to do something, this thread has became way to inactive for the past week. We need to try to get more active posters someone.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

irene9876 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

I've actually been doing a couple of LI PTs (not complete PTs, as this one will be. More like relationship biased ones to get from zero to zex with the characters as quickly as possible) recently, and I've noticed something: Shep (Male and Female) doesn't really come on to any one character particularly strongly. At least, not in the way people have complained about it. People keep saying FemShep is 'too forward', but she's about exactly as forward as MaleShep, so what's the biggie? They are, after all, meant to be the same base character. I can understand frustration at the way they get on with their LIs in terms of coming from a paragon/renegade perspective (there should totally be different paths you can take in a romance without ending it), but the male/female thing? I don't get it.

I also cannot see how any of the characters who aren't Jack could ever come onto Shep without it being a tad OOC, unless s/he made the first move. S/he's the commander, for pete's sake! 

Sigh. Sorry. OT vent over.

Hi. 

I know I've never posted here before, but I am a frequent lurker.

Garrus is my favorite character in the ME universe, but not exactly my favorite LI because I do think FemShep comes on too strong...as she does (IMO) with all the ME2 LIs.

The way I see it, since ME is supposed to be an RPG, I should be able to inject a bit of myself into the characters I create.  And for starters, I don't make and play female characters just to run around being Mrs.  MAN.  Just because this game revolves around Shepherd doesn't mean that the male and female variants must be the same.  (Specifically in relation to personality).

Now this is probably not the case with you, but I do have a personal bias (as I'm sure many people do) that a woman  who flirts as forwardly as a man does is "loose" or a ****.  So, personally, I find it repulsing when FemShep starts hitting on (or from my perspective, throwing herself at) all the male LIs.  I feel my FemSheps should have more dignity.  It doesn't help that in ME2 the romance plots go from "hi" to "lets have SEX!!!" so quickly, either.

I actually prefer the female romance plots that Bioware writes where the male LI shows an interest first.  It doesn't have to be blatant, necessarily, either.  It could be subtle hints, as was the case with Kaidan.  Or it could be playful teasing, like Carth's romance in KOTOR (my favorite Bioware LI btw...especially when he says he's going to take me over his knee and "teach [me] a lesson" ).

Now, I do agree that it would be OOC for any of the LIs in ME2 to come straight up to FemShep and say "I like you.  Let's date!"  But that doesn't mean the only solution, then, is for FemShep to come straight up to the male LIs and say "I like you.  Let's DO IT!"  IMO, the ME2 romances could have been done better.  As it stands, I rarely pursue the LI subplots in this game.

I hope that answers your question a little. 

Yrah i agree with this. Femsheps kind of seem a little desperate you know. I think i would have founded it better if garrus flirted with shepard, that would have been funny.

[irene9876]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

irene9876 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

I've actually been doing a couple of LI PTs (not complete PTs, as this one will be. More like relationship biased ones to get from zero to zex with the characters as quickly as possible) recently, and I've noticed something: Shep (Male and Female) doesn't really come on to any one character particularly strongly. At least, not in the way people have complained about it. People keep saying FemShep is 'too forward', but she's about exactly as forward as MaleShep, so what's the biggie? They are, after all, meant to be the same base character. I can understand frustration at the way they get on with their LIs in terms of coming from a paragon/renegade perspective (there should totally be different paths you can take in a romance without ending it), but the male/female thing? I don't get it.

I also cannot see how any of the characters who aren't Jack could ever come onto Shep without it being a tad OOC, unless s/he made the first move. S/he's the commander, for pete's sake! 

Sigh. Sorry. OT vent over.

Hi. 

I know I've never posted here before, but I am a frequent lurker.

Garrus is my favorite character in the ME universe, but not exactly my favorite LI because I do think FemShep comes on too strong...as she does (IMO) with all the ME2 LIs.

The way I see it, since ME is supposed to be an RPG, I should be able to inject a bit of myself into the characters I create.  And for starters, I don't make and play female characters just to run around being Mrs.  MAN.  Just because this game revolves around Shepherd doesn't mean that the male and female variants must be the same.  (Specifically in relation to personality).

Now this is probably not the case with you, but I do have a personal bias (as I'm sure many people do) that a woman  who flirts as forwardly as a man does is "loose" or a ****.  So, personally, I find it repulsing when FemShep starts hitting on (or from my perspective, throwing herself at) all the male LIs.  I feel my FemSheps should have more dignity.  It doesn't help that in ME2 the romance plots go from "hi" to "lets have SEX!!!" so quickly, either.

I actually prefer the female romance plots that Bioware writes where the male LI shows an interest first.  It doesn't have to be blatant, necessarily, either.  It could be subtle hints, as was the case with Kaidan.  Or it could be playful teasing, like Carth's romance in KOTOR (my favorite Bioware LI btw...especially when he says he's going to take me over his knee and "teach [me] a lesson" ).

Now, I do agree that it would be OOC for any of the LIs in ME2 to come straight up to FemShep and say "I like you.  Let's date!"  But that doesn't mean the only solution, then, is for FemShep to come straight up to the male LIs and say "I like you.  Let's DO IT!"  IMO, the ME2 romances could have been done better.  As it stands, I rarely pursue the LI subplots in this game.

I hope that answers your question a little. 

Yrah i agree with this. Femsheps kind of seem a little desperate you know. I think i would have founded it better if garrus flirted with shepard, that would have been funny.

Definately!  Since those two are already friends, it doesn't seem like a stretch to me if they just started out with some friendly teasing.  And if Garrus had told FemShep that he was going to spank her...I would have fell out of my chair laughing and loved him for it!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

When you rescue him it seems like he is flirting with femshep a little bit, but he has the same dialouge with male shep so it could interpreted as flirting with female and joking around with male shepard.

[Tareos]

irene9876 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

irene9876 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

I've actually been doing a couple of LI PTs (not complete PTs, as this one will be. More like relationship biased ones to get from zero to zex with the characters as quickly as possible) recently, and I've noticed something: Shep (Male and Female) doesn't really come on to any one character particularly strongly. At least, not in the way people have complained about it. People keep saying FemShep is 'too forward', but she's about exactly as forward as MaleShep, so what's the biggie? They are, after all, meant to be the same base character. I can understand frustration at the way they get on with their LIs in terms of coming from a paragon/renegade perspective (there should totally be different paths you can take in a romance without ending it), but the male/female thing? I don't get it.

I also cannot see how any of the characters who aren't Jack could ever come onto Shep without it being a tad OOC, unless s/he made the first move. S/he's the commander, for pete's sake! 

Sigh. Sorry. OT vent over.

Hi. 

I know I've never posted here before, but I am a frequent lurker.

Garrus is my favorite character in the ME universe, but not exactly my favorite LI because I do think FemShep comes on too strong...as she does (IMO) with all the ME2 LIs.

The way I see it, since ME is supposed to be an RPG, I should be able to inject a bit of myself into the characters I create.  And for starters, I don't make and play female characters just to run around being Mrs.  MAN.  Just because this game revolves around Shepherd doesn't mean that the male and female variants must be the same.  (Specifically in relation to personality).

Now this is probably not the case with you, but I do have a personal bias (as I'm sure many people do) that a woman  who flirts as forwardly as a man does is "loose" or a ****.  So, personally, I find it repulsing when FemShep starts hitting on (or from my perspective, throwing herself at) all the male LIs.  I feel my FemSheps should have more dignity.  It doesn't help that in ME2 the romance plots go from "hi" to "lets have SEX!!!" so quickly, either.

I actually prefer the female romance plots that Bioware writes where the male LI shows an interest first.  It doesn't have to be blatant, necessarily, either.  It could be subtle hints, as was the case with Kaidan.  Or it could be playful teasing, like Carth's romance in KOTOR (my favorite Bioware LI btw...especially when he says he's going to take me over his knee and "teach [me] a lesson" ).

Now, I do agree that it would be OOC for any of the LIs in ME2 to come straight up to FemShep and say "I like you.  Let's date!"  But that doesn't mean the only solution, then, is for FemShep to come straight up to the male LIs and say "I like you.  Let's DO IT!"  IMO, the ME2 romances could have been done better.  As it stands, I rarely pursue the LI subplots in this game.

I hope that answers your question a little. 

Yrah i agree with this. Femsheps kind of seem a little desperate you know. I think i would have founded it better if garrus flirted with shepard, that would have been funny.

Definately!  Since those two are already friends, it doesn't seem like a stretch to me if they just started out with some friendly teasing.  And if Garrus had told FemShep that he was going to spank her...I would have fell out of my chair laughing and loved him for it!

Heh, I would chuckle as well. Though it would've been awesome of Femshep challenged Garrus to an actual sparring match with lots of teasing about.

[irene9876]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

When you rescue him it seems like he is flirting with femshep a little bit, but he has the same dialouge with male shep so it could interpreted as flirting with female and joking around with male shepard.

Unfortunately, it ends right there.   I wish the teasing would have continued.

[kglaser]

irene9876 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

When you rescue him it seems like he is flirting with femshep a little bit, but he has the same dialouge with male shep so it could interpreted as flirting with female and joking around with male shepard.

Unfortunately, it ends right there.   I wish the teasing would have continued.

Maybe we can chalk that up to his being exhausted.  Doesn't even have the strength to flirt, poor guy.

[irene9876]

Tareos wrote...

Heh, I would chuckle as well. Though it would've been awesome of Femshep challenged Garrus to an actual sparring match with lots of teasing about.

This would have been fun as well, I agree.

[kglaser]

irene9876 wrote...

Tareos wrote...

Heh, I would chuckle as well. Though it would've been awesome of Femshep challenged Garrus to an actual sparring match with lots of teasing about.

This would have been fun as well, I agree.

I'm willing to bet that most of the regulars on this thread would have *loved* to see that conversation.  I think Garrus and FemShep could have lots of witty banter (about diverse subjects, actually) that would fit into their personalities quite well.

eta:  I'm replaying ME1 and tonight I noticed, during the scene where you meet with Nihlus and Capt. Anderson:  Nihlus has orange-red teeth!  Is that normal for turians (like krogans can have green or purple teeth sometimes)?  Or is my Xbox360 having some kind of acid flashback??

Modifié par kglaser, 03 mai 2010 - 04:08 .

[Tootles FTW]

irene9876 wrote...

Hi. 

I know I've never posted here before, but I am a frequent lurker.

Garrus is my favorite character in the ME universe, but not exactly my favorite LI because I do think FemShep comes on too strong...as she does (IMO) with all the ME2 LIs.

The way I see it, since ME is supposed to be an RPG, I should be able to inject a bit of myself into the characters I create.  And for starters, I don't make and play female characters just to run around being Mrs.  MAN.  Just because this game revolves around Shepherd doesn't mean that the male and female variants must be the same.  (Specifically in relation to personality).

Now this is probably not the case with you, but I do have a personal bias (as I'm sure many people do) that a woman  who flirts as forwardly as a man does is "loose" or a ****.  So, personally, I find it repulsing when FemShep starts hitting on (or from my perspective, throwing herself at) all the male LIs.  I feel my FemSheps should have more dignity.  It doesn't help that in ME2 the romance plots go from "hi" to "lets have SEX!!!" so quickly, either.

I actually prefer the female romance plots that Bioware writes where the male LI shows an interest first.  It doesn't have to be blatant, necessarily, either.  It could be subtle hints, as was the case with Kaidan.  Or it could be playful teasing, like Carth's romance in KOTOR (my favorite Bioware LI btw...especially when he says he's going to take me over his knee and "teach [me] a lesson" ).

Now, I do agree that it would be OOC for any of the LIs in ME2 to come straight up to FemShep and say "I like you.  Let's date!"  But that doesn't mean the only solution, then, is for FemShep to come straight up to the male LIs and say "I like you.  Let's DO IT!"  IMO, the ME2 romances could have been done better.  As it stands, I rarely pursue the LI subplots in this game.

I hope that answers your question a little. 

I love it in games when your character's Fem-status is acknowledged (I even enjoyed Harkin's disgusting come-on's in ME1), but at the same time I don't like stapling GENDER STEREOTYPE to my character's forehead.  I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, but flirting is not a male's prerogative.  I'm a girl and I'm very forward when I'm interested; I'm quite comfortable with myself and I hardly consider my approach as $lutty.  Would I use "reach & flexibility" as my opening line?  Er...maybe not, but it was still a good line and had me laughing.  I just wish it didn't come at the very start of Garrus's romance dialogue, and was kept to the second or third conversation.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

i hope in dlc or in me3 you get to have a sparring match for both femshep and male shep. LI spar or bro spar. I would like that alot.

[kglaser]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

i hope in dlc or in me3 you get to have a sparring match for both femshep and male shep. LI spar or bro spar. I would like that alot.

+1.  Even if we could see two unrelated turians sparring with each other I think it would be interesting to see how it is done.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Maybe, though shepard and garrus sparring for teh lulz would make me love a game that i already admire alot.

[kglaser]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Maybe, though shepard and garrus sparring for teh lulz would make me love a game that i already admire alot.

Oh, undoubtedly.  That would drive my fangrrlism through the roof. <3

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fangirls? Pretty much any fan of garrus, hell garrus might gain even more fans because of it.

[Tootles FTW]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

i hope in dlc or in me3 you get to have a sparring match for both femshep and male shep. LI spar or bro spar. I would like that alot.

I would actually be quite satisfied if that is how they resolve the tricky human/turian sex scene in ME3 (because please gawd, as adorable as they are, no more headbumps!).  Start off with them sparring and then it gets...heated...and cue the fade-to-black.    In fact, I think I read a Garrus fanfiction involving that situation, haha.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

lol i read a couple of those. Pretty great. I think i might of read what you are mentioning.

[kglaser]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

i hope in dlc or in me3 you get to have a sparring match for both femshep and male shep. LI spar or bro spar. I would like that alot.

I would actually be quite satisfied if that is how they resolve the tricky human/turian sex scene in ME3 (because please gawd, as adorable as they are, no more headbumps!).  Start off with them sparring and then it gets...heated...and cue the fade-to-black.    In fact, I think I read a Garrus fanfiction involving that situation, haha.

Oh, I know I read it.  Like, 10 times. :innocent:

[Kim Shepard]

kglaser wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

I'll probably start my NG+ playthrough of ME1 tonight too. This Shepard doesn't take Garrus along on missions as often as my last Shepard though, since he's bringing Tali and alternates the others. Garrus will get to be one of Shepard's best friends though, same for Wrex.

That reminds me, this Shepard will be going for quarian sympathizer.  I already have turian and krogan sympathizer.  I refuse to lug the same two people everywhere with me, though...sucks the joy out of the game for me.  But I will be happy to have Tali along, especially with the Mako in the picture.  She's a great squadmate.

My poor Shepard is going to have a hard time about the quarian/geth thing... He likes Tali, but when she tells him about the geth rebellion, he would normally side with the geth on that one, but then she asks him for that information on the geth to send back to her fleet, and he ends up agreeing because the geth are working with Sovereign, which means learning how to stop them would be useful. Then in ME2, he'll take the Renegade approach to her trail ("Leave my crew out of your political bull****!" xD This Shepard is an awesome soldier, but he's not much for political skill.), wake up Legion, and then end up killing the heretics anyway because he doesn't think they can be trusted. The issues Tali has to deal with just happen to be the hardest for him out of all the other characters... It's not one of those missions he can solve with a bullet to the head.

As for my Shepard who romanced Garrus, I like to think that one of my other Shepards gave her some advice that she needs to be more obvious with Garrus when he doesn't respond well to her dropping a few hints. The result was ("Let's skip right to the tie-breaker!") a little more forward than the other Shepard expected, but it still worked. xD A real sparring match would be awesome though.

Also, I've never played KOTOR, but if Garrus (or any other romance interests) said he would "spank" my Shepard, she'd lose interest right then and there. >_>;

[kglaser]

Actually, I found Carth's romance in KOTOR incredibly sweet and natural, better even than most of the ones from the ME games. I actually blushed in real life when he started calling me "beautiful".



On a totally unrelated note (but just because I'm replaying ME1), I am bummed out that Nihlus died so fast. :*( He seems like an intriguing, intelligent guy. Are there any comics or anything about his backstory?