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[Collider]

As far as untapped ideas go, I think having some extra spice to the missions if you bring your LI along would be a grand idea. Say for instance you bring Garrus to the Palaven or something, may even meeting his dad. If you romanced Garrus, then maybe Garrus would defend Shepard with more conviction against his dad's criticisms. Or that reporter criticizes Shepard for being with an alien and you and your LI get to rebuke her. Stuff like that.

[Kim Shepard]

I guess that's why I haven't had any problems. xD I like the ME2 romance options more than those in DAO, but I never felt like my Warden had to avoid any of the characters or be unusually rude to them in DAO. I did almost activate the Liara romance accidentally. Apparently, just because Shepard wants to get to know her crew, flirty dialogue started. >_>; It was really close to the end (after my FemShep already turned her down), so I just reloaded and was relieved when Shepard was alone in that scene where Joker calls her on the intercom.

[kglaser]

Collider wrote...

I did think the DA romances seemed pretty straight forward. In ME though, I got stuck in the Ashley romance and locked in. When I didn't want to.

Man, my Shepard had to have been the biggest loser in the galaxy...I was a Renegade and a real jerk to everyone, but I was consistently nice to Ashley and talked to her every chance I got...and she still rejected me!!  I couldn't get her to be with me no matter what. Feh

[Collider]

Yea, I agree. Having other squad mates or characters comment on the romance does make the romance seem more genuine, and not just in some bubble that only Shepard and the love interest are in. In fact, a romance poll I have has that - acknowledgment of the romance - as the option with the highest amount of votes. They moved in the right direction with Kasumi. Hopefully that'll carry on to ME3.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Yea, I agree. Having other squad mates or characters comment on the romance does make the romance seem more genuine, and not just in some bubble that only Shepard and the love interest are in. In fact, a romance poll I have has that - acknowledgment of the romance - as the option with the highest amount of votes. They moved in the right direction with Kasumi. Hopefully that'll carry on to ME3.

I can't lend my support to this motion enough. Garrus' dad talking about Shepard for the win! Flotilla acknowledge Talimance, for the win! Cerberus commenting on Miranda/Jacob, for the win...

[kglaser]

Garrus's dad frowningly commenting on Garrus's and Femshep's relationship in ME3 would make my head asplode with happiness. Kablam!

[Collider]

Yay!

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Yay!

LOL, that's the purest emotional response I've ever seen from you, Collider. Happy we agree with you, I take it? 

[Collider]

Yea, in a way. I'm writing some dialog for a game I'm making and I've been trying to get into character. She's a bit like that. I think the yay! was induced from the congratulations that she gives for the female PC romancing one of the love interests. I am definitely putting some sis/bromance stuff in my game. It will be glorious. Have to say I am taking heavy inspiration from the bioware games.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Yea, in a way. I'm writing some dialog for a game I'm making and I've been trying to get into character. She's a bit like that. I think the yay! was induced from the congratulations that she gives for the female PC romancing one of the love interests. I am definitely putting some sis/bromance stuff in my game. It will be glorious. Have to say I am taking heavy inspiration from the bioware games.

I'd say "do tell more," except that it would be thoroughly off-topic.

[Sakanade]

Still amazed this thread has 650+ pages and is still going

(not that it's a bad thing, as it's hilarious going through all of them a page at a time)

[Soltana]

You won't be amazed if you look at the Tali thread. This is just a drop in the bucket.

[irene9876]

kglaser wrote...

For me personally, if I was turned off by FemShep being the pursuer (and the jury's still out on that one, for me), it was because of 1) her tone of voice and the way she said it, then *secondarily* 2) the act of doing the pursuing itself.  If she had intoned it in even a subtly different way, it would have come across much differently (again, that's only my opinion; I can't speak for anyone else).

I guess for me it was FemShep's behavior and voice in the romance subplots that really turned me off.  Not to mention that I couldn't figure out WHY she was so hot for the respective characters.  If she had been more friendly and less horney, and if I had a basis for why she would be so interested, then I may not have had such an issue with her initiating the romance.

As it was, FemShep was ready to jump all over Jacob after only just meeting him (Which is not something I can relate to).  Then when it came to Garrus, well in ME1 and most of ME2 I never saw him as anything but a friend character.  And every conversation they had up until the "Reach and Flexibility" one was more or less business-friendly (from my perspective at least).  So when FemShep pounced on him I was really taken aback.  Poor Thane never got a fair run on my first playthrough because I had Shepherd on such a short leash by the time I got to him, that I only let her say the middle option.

[Collider]

Well you may imagine that a person who didn't think of Garrus in that way would be more put off for femShep's flirting than someone who actually like Garrus in that way. Though I do think that Bioware could learn that a little pursuance wouldn't hurt. I particularly like my idea.

[irene9876]

I agree. I like your idea.

Now it's really late and I can't really keep my thoughts together...

It was nice talking to you guys, though.

Modifié par irene9876, 03 mai 2010 - 09:16 .

[Tootles FTW]

irene9876 wrote...

But not everyone feels the way you do.  Which is why there are people who post comments about FemShep being too forward in the LI subplots.  And although you may enjoy being the pursuer in a relationship, there are others (myself included) who would rather be pursued.  For me to suddenly turn around and start hitting on guys would make me very uncomfortable.  It is not my personality to do so, and to go against who I am would make me feel a tad "dirty". 

As it is, ME2 writes FemShep as the pursuer in the relationships.  Because of this, I rarely travel the LI path.

I know not everyone feels the same - the purpose of my commenting to your original post was to exhibit that *I* was in the minority who wasn't bothered by FemShep being the aggressor.  I love romances any way I can get them as long as they're well written.  I'm currently playing Bioware's Jade Empire for the very first time and I'm loving the back & forth flirtation between Sky and the Female PC, and I would desperately love that for Garrus.

The problem, I think, with Garrus's romance is not that FemShep instigates it, but how she does it.  In DA:O you can initiate the flirtation with Alistair (the best Bioware LI ever!), but it's done in a very natural way that isn't overtly sexual or cheesy.  The sheer amount of time put into the characters in DA:O allowed for this slow progression over the course of the game.  The length of time spent on Mass Effect character dialogue, however, requires the romantic interactions to go from 0 to 100 in the span of one conversation. 

Sorry if I read your initial post wrong, but I just thought it reeked a bit of a double standard - FemShep was a $lut for using sexual innuendo, but Carth can threathen to spank you and it's all good?  I think, though, that you just mean that you prefer to be the chased (as opposed to the one doing the chasing), and I can't disagree with you there.

[Tootles FTW]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I totally don't understand how people have managed to accidentally initiate romances with Leliana.  *hint* If you call her beautiful, talk about how "special" she is and so on, she will take it as romantic interest.  I find it really weird that people will pick those options and assume they are platonic when the next option down in the dialog list is something like "You are treasured FRIEND" or "You are an asset to the team" or something like that.  I have never accidentally initiated a DAO romance.  Not claiming it's impossible, but if you pay attention and read all the dialog options, I think it's pretty apparent what's what.  No meaning to offend anyone here, but I just don't get it.

As someone who fell into this Leiliana trap, I have to say that it happens!  I didn't go out of my way to talk to Leiliana because I found her "Maker this"/"Maker that" schtick to be tedious, but following the Landsmeet (after my PC becomes engaged to Alistair) she approached my character as if I had just dumped her over him.  It even gave me the option to ask if we could still be lovers & whatnot even though I'm with Alistair.  All I did was agree with her that shoes were awesome & now we're lovers?!

.......Garrus penis! 

[Onyx Jaguar]

I fell into the Leliana trap to, and it was one where I was trying to cheat the game, lost 15 hours of gameplay and haven't really tried it since.



DA did a decent job in regards to this, but overall I'd give Bioware a D in regards to how they do romances.

[Tootles FTW]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DA did a decent job in regards to this, but overall I'd give Bioware a D in regards to how they do romances.

Compared to what, though?  Bioware is the first game developer that I've come across to incorporate any sort of lengthy romance(s) in the majority of their games.  If you know a game that does it better I would sincerely like to know so that I can go & buy it! 

[irene9876]

Tootles FTW wrote...

irene9876 wrote...

But not everyone feels the way you do.  Which is why there are people who post comments about FemShep being too forward in the LI subplots.  And although you may enjoy being the pursuer in a relationship, there are others (myself included) who would rather be pursued.  For me to suddenly turn around and start hitting on guys would make me very uncomfortable.  It is not my personality to do so, and to go against who I am would make me feel a tad "dirty". 

As it is, ME2 writes FemShep as the pursuer in the relationships.  Because of this, I rarely travel the LI path.

I know not everyone feels the same - the purpose of my commenting to your original post was to exhibit that *I* was in the minority who wasn't bothered by FemShep being the aggressor.  I love romances any way I can get them as long as they're well written.  I'm currently playing Bioware's Jade Empire for the very first time and I'm loving the back & forth flirtation between Sky and the Female PC, and I would desperately love that for Garrus.

The problem, I think, with Garrus's romance is not that FemShep instigates it, but how she does it.  In DA:O you can initiate the flirtation with Alistair (the best Bioware LI ever!), but it's done in a very natural way that isn't overtly sexual or cheesy.  The sheer amount of time put into the characters in DA:O allowed for this slow progression over the course of the game.  The length of time spent on Mass Effect character dialogue, however, requires the romantic interactions to go from 0 to 100 in the span of one conversation. 

Sorry if I read your initial post wrong, but I just thought it reeked a bit of a double standard - FemShep was a $lut for using sexual innuendo, but Carth can threathen to spank you and it's all good?  I think, though, that you just mean that you prefer to be the chased (as opposed to the one doing the chasing), and I can't disagree with you there.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.  I don't have a problem with women flirting and didn't mean to imply that.

(now considering how long it took me to put those 2 sentences together....I better get to bed)

It was nice talking to you.

[Soltana]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I totally don't understand how people have managed to accidentally initiate romances with Leliana.  *hint* If you call her beautiful, talk about how "special" she is and so on, she will take it as romantic interest.  I find it really weird that people will pick those options and assume they are platonic when the next option down in the dialog list is something like "You are treasured FRIEND" or "You are an asset to the team" or something like that.  I have never accidentally initiated a DAO romance.  Not claiming it's impossible, but if you pay attention and read all the dialog options, I think it's pretty apparent what's what.  No meaning to offend anyone here, but I just don't get it.

As someone who fell into this Leiliana trap, I have to say that it happens!  I didn't go out of my way to talk to Leiliana because I found her "Maker this"/"Maker that" schtick to be tedious, but following the Landsmeet (after my PC becomes engaged to Alistair) she approached my character as if I had just dumped her over him.  It even gave me the option to ask if we could still be lovers & whatnot even though I'm with Alistair.  All I did was agree with her that shoes were awesome & now we're lovers?!

.......Garrus penis! 

Yep happened to me too. I swear I was only talking to her about things that any BFFs would talk about and then all of a sudden "YOU LOVE ALISTAIR! D8<"

But in my experience, I get the sad comment from her regarding my PC and Al getting married no matter what. It's just a minor bug.

So...did someone mention Garrus penis?  

[Chimervera]

I never got the "Leliana bug", but I heard that it's caused by gifting her approval too high before talking to her. I always talk, then gift, then talk, so I never had that problem.

I did run into a bug where, even though I romanced Zevran, I got the "so you and Alistair..." talk from Leliana...and Morrigan. And Alistair giving me the rose. I didn't think I'd used any flirty dialogue, but I must have accidentally triggered it In subsequent playthroughs, I've had to be very careful of what dialogue options I pick.
(Also, am I the only Zev-mancer in this thread?)

As for romance progression;
Keep in mind that Dragon Age is a straight RPG, where the ME series is an RPG/Shooter hybrid. Bioware is trying to please two different audiences at once, and they had a lot of complaints about "too much talking" in ME1. (To those people I say that most of it is optional...but it's like trying to reason with a wall). It would seem that Bioware put less dialogue in the game in an attempt to please both audiences at once - which rarely works out, but I can't blame them for trying.

Then there are the shooter people who like or don't mind the dialogue - but they don't think to talk to people after every mission. Those people would complain that they keep missing out on all this dialogue (some of them still do, just generally not on the BSN), and they tend to be rather vocal with their complaints.

There is also the fact that Bioware had less development time with ME2 than ME1 - with ME1 (and DAO), they didn't have fans eagerly waiting on the next installment, so they could take longer developing it. With ME2, they had two years, during which they had to get the new engine working. From my rather basic understanding of development and programming, they wouldn't have been able to add in the dialogue (or anything else) until the engine was ready, which I would wager took the majority of those two years - and quests and environments would probably have taken the majority of the remaining time. Thankfully with ME3, they most likely won't be doing another overhaul, so they should have more time to focus on content.

Don't get me wrong; I'd love more dialogue, and the romance progression could have been handled better, but I'm still happy with what we got - a year ago I would have thought that we'd never get a Garrus romance.

To make this at least partially Garrus related;
How do you think he'd react to the recent news about the attack on the colony of Taetrus?

Modifié par Chimervera, 03 mai 2010 - 11:13 .

[Cerrydd]

Hurray, my laptop with internet and me are united again!

I didn't have any problem with femShep coming on 'too' strong, but that's just me. I could actually relate to her flirting, because that's something I do (or did, since I'm already taken ), even when I'm not really interested. That's why I flirted with all three LI's in my first PT, to the point that Thane and Jacob started whining about 'others' (Garrus). Conversations between Shep and Jacob almost made me gag though, because that was a little bit too much for me.

I like to chase someone else, but someone else hitting on me is a bit more tricky. I hate it when a random guy comes up to me and starts flirting. GTFO! But if it's someone I already know and like, then I'm ok with it. If Garrus was the one who really the romance thing, I'd be pleased. I already 'know' him from ME1 and he was already one of my favourites back then. But when I was playing DA the other day, and Zevran started talking about how beautiful I was... geez, GTFO!

But the build up could have been better in ME. You talk about Omega, do his loyalty mission, talk to him again, reach and flexibility and BAM, let's ease stress together. I don't mind it, but a bit more conversations would be nice. At least it gives you more conversations. And an actual sparring match would be priceless, for both femShep AND manShep.

The interaction between squad mates in DA is sublime. Wynne asking Alistair what he could see in my swaying hips? LOL! I hope BW will put some of these elements in ME3, because I would love to hear some acknowledgement from other team members about the Garrus romance. Mordin knows about you and your LI, and when you are flirting with more than 1 LI, the other one knows about it. Yet no one else in your crew says anything about it... (except Kasumi, but she's always positive)

Oh yeah, and you can kiss Alistair whenever you want? Damn, I want a headbump option for Garrus!