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[kglaser]

This meeting with Daddy Vakarian MUST come true. Or an angry e.mail. Something dangit!

[janeym27]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...



Also, I think the turians muster out of the military at the age of 30 which is when they become full citizens.  There is no way Garrus is forty, and I have a feeling he was at C-Sec for a while, certainly long enough to get frustrated.  Remember femshep asking "do you ever regret leaving C-Sec or the turian military?"  Do you think he jumped ship on the military too?  In order to get Spectre training and then to join C-Sec?  It does seem like he left the military earlier than a turian normally would.  Makes me wonder.

Well, we've kinda talked this one out before. I think Turians can leave the military before 30: they simply have to be in some kind of public service until they are 30. C-Sec probably counts, because the Turians have a vested intrest in galactic peace at that point. Garrus has clearly been in C-Sec for a while ("you've been in C-Sec a while. You must have seen some action", the fact he is an investagator in the wards, etc). You're right: there is no way Garrus is 40. I'd put him ages with Shepard, maybe slightly younger (which is why I think C-Sec service counts. That, and it makes sense that they would want young recruits at the height of their capabilities to patrol the jewel in the galatic crown). I think the codex says they stay in the military until 30, but also mentions that they can do 'civic service' until 30 instead...

What I wonder about (and I know I've wondered this on this thread recently) is what his status is within Turian society post Omega. I'm assuming serving with Shepard took him to 30 (so he completed the period of civic service expected of all turians), before he 'disappeared'. Now, Turian society is hierachical, and people are expected to contribute towards the greater good. How does Garrus' disappearence (they did not know Archangel was him) and seeming aligning with Cerberus, affect his standing in Turian society? Whatever the result, I'm guessing Papa Vakarian will not be too impressed....

Plus, I've wonder how turian "citizenship" works in general for turians who live on places like Omega which isn't under the authority of the hierarchy.  Do they retain some kind of citizenship status simply for being turians so they could return to Palaven or some turian colony and expect all the appropriate rights?

Good question. Do their tatoos factor into this?

We need so much more Palaven and turian culture in general!

[kglaser]

Hehe, that reminds me of the e.mail Shep's mommy sends her (well, "her" in my case) if you pick Spacer. All it was missing was, "Are you wearing your N7 long johns, dear? Those ships get so drafty...and sit up straight!"

edited to add:  that was @ Ragabul.  Dangit janey, you aren't supposed to be posting this quickly for a happy hour participant!

Modifié par kglaser, 05 mai 2010 - 12:23 .

[LOLandStuff]

I'd say that any turian who leave the hierarchy and Citadel space is treated as an exile, since he doesn't contribute in any way.

[Cerrydd]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Anyway, I don't have anything profound to add, but all this talk of Garrus' mother has made me remember something I wondered about some time ago. On the one hand, Garrus says he grew up on Palaven. On the other hand, he says his father was C-Sec and that he "grew up watching his pictures on the vids after a big arrest." Now does that mean, Garrus was on Palaven while his dad was on the Citadel or does it mean they moved to the Citadel at some point? And if Garrus is on Palaven while his dad is on the Citadel, who is he with? And moreover, why would Papa Vakarian run halfway across the galaxy to get a job? They don't have cops on Palaven or something?

Also, I think the turians muster out of the military at the age of 30 which is when they become full citizens.  There is no way Garrus is forty, and I have a feeling he was at C-Sec for a while, certainly long enough to get frustrated.  Remember femshep asking "do you ever regret leaving C-Sec or the turian military?"  Do you think he jumped ship on the military too?  In order to get Spectre training and then to join C-Sec?  It does seem like he left the military earlier than a turian normally would.  Makes me wonder.

Wiki says turians get formal citizenship after bootcamp. Bootcamp starts for every turian at the age of 15. I don't know how long that bootcamp lasts, but I think maybe 5 years or something? Pure speculation, but I don't think boot camp will go on much longer. Otherwise they'll have a big gap of turians in boot camp that can't work anywhere else.

Didn't Garrus say he was handpicked during his military years to become a Spectre? I feel bad for not remembering it exactly, but I think he said something along those lines. Turians serve the state when they're between 15 and 30 years old in any way possible, ranging from soldier to sanitation worker. I guess 'the state' is just the place where the turian lives, whether it's Palaven, some colony or The Citadel. Working as a Spectre would probably fulfill his duty, since you're serving the state/galaxy, but I think it's the same for C-Sec. Same job with more limitations.

The questions about Mama/Papa Vakarian: I have no idea. There are cops on Palaven, but Papa Vakarian was a C-Sec officer. Maybe he grew up on Palaven and they moved to The Citadel when he was older? Before/after bootcamp? His mom is still a mystery though.

Spectre training didn't work out for him, because Papa blocked his candidacy. Did his dad do this with his power as a C-Sec officer? Do those officers even have to power to do this? Or was it just Papa saying "NO, son, I said NO. You're not going to train to become a Spectre" and he gave in? Makes me wonder if Garrus had his own appartment or was still living with his dad/parents...

MOAR, BW!

[janeym27]

kglaser wrote...

edited to add:  that was @ Ragabul.  Dangit janey, you aren't supposed to be posting this quickly for a happy hour participant!

I'm speedy like a ninja!

[Cerrydd]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Would this still apply if he had already "mustered out" though?  Can you leave for a while and then come back at a penalty or something?  Getting knocked down a couple of citizenship tiers or something like that?

Yes, turians can get demoted. I don't know on which tier Garrus was in ME1, though. After finishing boot camp, you're at the third tier. I read promotion then happens after an assessment by your superior, I don't know who Garrus' superior is. And I also don't know how it works when he resigns from C-Sec and starts his mission on Omega.

[LOLandStuff]

It says in the ME wiki that if there is no way of rehabilitating an individual, he is then sentenced for hard labor and for life, but only dangerous individuals.

[kglaser]

Cerrydd wrote...

Didn't Garrus say he was handpicked during his military years to become a Spectre? I feel bad for not remembering it exactly, but I think he said something along those lines.

Yup.  IIRC, he was picked out along with about 1,000 other potential candidates, but didn't get far in the process before giving up on that dream.  Someone please tell me if I am just talking vodka-fueled nonsense, here.

Spectre training didn't work out for him, because Papa blocked his candidacy. Did his dad do this with his power as a C-Sec officer? Do those officers even have to power to do this? Or was it just Papa saying "NO, son, I said NO. You're not going to train to become a Spectre" and he gave in? Makes me wonder if Garrus had his own appartment or was still living with his dad/parents...

I wonder if it was anything like the "respect one's elders" seen, for example, in Chinese culture.  My Chinese friend told me that while in graduate school, her advisor lived with them, she supported him and they even called him "Uncle", and took advice from him on everything, even when to start a family after she and her husband were married.  He was older than they were and they would not have dreamed to question his opinion on anything, so she related to me.  It just wasn't done.

eta:  I remember reading that if a turian gets demoted, it does not reflect on that individual nearly so much as on his or her superior, who should not have promoted that person before s/he was ready for the responsibility.  In this case, though, I'm not sure who would have been reprimanded, as Garrus's superior.

Modifié par kglaser, 05 mai 2010 - 12:45 .

[janeym27]

Sigh. Sadly, there is precious little information about Turian culture, Even less about Garrus's turian miliary career.



But top secret doucments concerning his early role as technician 2nd class on board an alien ship have recently come to light.





If they only knew...

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

janeym27 wrote...

Sigh. Sadly, there is precious little information about Turian culture, Even less about Garrus's turian miliary career.

But top secret doucments concerning his early role as technician 2nd class on board an alien ship have recently come to light.


If they only knew...

OH SHI-

[Sand King]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

OH SHI-

[janeym27]

By Grabthor's Hammer!

[kglaser]

On a non-Garrus-related note (ha! I said Garrus there, you see what I did there), I just bought Dragon Age, so now I will know what the heck all of you are talking about with all of your DA references flying around.

[Cerrydd]

kglaser wrote...

Yup.  IIRC, he was picked out along with about 1,000 other potential candidates, but didn't get far in the process before giving up on that dream.  Someone please tell me if I am just talking vodka-fueled nonsense, here.

It's not vodka-fueled nonsense. It's the truth! I looked it up on the Wiki . We still have a decent memory.

I wonder if it was anything like the "respect one's elders" seen, for example, in Chinese culture.

Sadly, Wiki says nothing about family values or such. It does say that higher ranked individuals are supposed to lead and protect, while lower ranked individuals are supposed to obey and follow orders. Maybe this is also the case in families? Because that would suck. Big time.

eta:  I remember reading that if a turian gets demoted, it does not reflect on that individual nearly so much as on his or her superior, who should not have promoted that person before s/he was ready for the responsibility.  In this case, though, I'm not sure who would have been reprimanded, as Garrus's superior.

Yes, this is true. I also thought about this thing when Sidonis came to mind a while ago. Err.. I have to think about this more. It's already past bedtime. AGAIN. I think I'll never learn to stay away from the Garrus thread... Damn you Americans with different timezones .

[janeym27]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...


Also, I know this has probably been discussed before, but doesn't that also explain why he might have gone to Omega? Shooting criminals is nice and all but that is small-time compared to the Reapers. The whole Omega excursion is horribly fatalistic. I don't think it's a suicide run or anything, but it certainly smacks of "Since the Council is sending us all to hell in a hand-basket by ignoring the Reapers, I might as well take as many criminal scumbags with me as I can." It's really got the makings of a last harrah.

I'm still convinced he didn't simply set out for Omega. The timings are iffy. Anderson and TIM placine Garrus as having 'disappeared' only a couple of months after Shepards 'death', and Aria says he showed up on Omega 'a few' months ago. Eve nallowing for a generous definition of 'a few', we've still got at least a year unaccounted for. I like to think that in that time, Garrus was kicking-butt accross the univerese (making the galaxy a better place, doing what he could in uncertain times, etc) until he came to Omega, saw what was there, and decided it needed him most... 

[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The whole Omega excursion is horribly fatalistic. I don't think it's a suicide run or anything, but it certainly smacks of "Since the Council is sending us all to hell in a hand-basket by ignoring the Reapers, I might as well take as many criminal scumbags with me as I can." It's really got the makings of a last harrah.

I agree that he went into that with his eyes wide open, realizing the odds were poor, to say the least.  I think he was really trying to make a statement, to take a stand when so many (esp. Dad, but also Pallin and who knows how many others) tried to control him and tell him how to do his job.  I don't know, maybe reading too much into that.  But, it's fun!

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

kglaser wrote...

On a non-Garrus-related note (ha! I said Garrus there, you see what I did there), I just bought Dragon Age, so now I will know what the heck all of you are talking about with all of your DA references flying around.

I think your going to like alistar. Alot. All i am going to say.

[kglaser]

Cerrydd wrote...
 Err.. I have to think about this more. It's already past bedtime. AGAIN. I think I'll never learn to stay away from the Garrus thread... Damn you Americans with different timezones .

That's why I like the weekends...it seems that since less of us are working then (although not all are exempt, obviously), we can spend more time online at the same time.  I value it