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[-D-C-D-]

I do not wish to even ENTERTAIN the idea of a Garrus without his scouter It is simply WRONG. Reapers can reap the galaxy a million times over before I will allow my bro to take off his scouter.



...I'm sorry btw, but I actually can't use the word scouter without being excitedly whisked back to my DBZ days...ha!

[Brass_Buckles]

-D-C-D- wrote...

I do not wish to even ENTERTAIN the idea of a Garrus without his scouter It is simply WRONG. Reapers can reap the galaxy a million times over before I will allow my bro to take off his scouter.

...I'm sorry btw, but I actually can't use the word scouter without being excitedly whisked back to my DBZ days...ha!

The scouter is awesome, but, there's just something wrong about him wearing it into the romance scene.  Seriously.

Shepard> Um, Garrus, you do know I didn't invite you here for target practice, right?
Garrus> I need it to find, er, weaknesses.  In your defenses.  Yeah.

[-D-C-D-]

Point taken lol. Maybe he uses it to spice up the experience, as some kind of experimental roleplay...



"Come to bed, Garrus..."



*Looks into scouter and gasps* "Your sexual tension level is over 9000!"

[aznsoisauce]

-D-C-D- wrote...

Point taken lol. Maybe he uses it to spice up the experience, as some kind of experimental roleplay...

"Come to bed, Garrus..."

*Looks into scouter and gasps* "Your sexual tension level is over 9000!"

Garrus: It's over nine THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNND!!

[Boo the Space Hamster's enclosure shatters and Boo escapes into Shep's bathroom. Shepard's private terminal fizzes out and bursts into flame while her ship models explode. The fish tank cracks then breaks, spilling out all over the bed room. What's left of Shepard's N7 helmet recovered from the Normandy SR-1 crash site crumbles.
Mysteriously...the two wine glasses on the coffee table remain intact.]

Shepard: Get. Out.

[-D-C-D-]

Shepard: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[Nightfire78]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

She could be. She's had a very eventful life, doesn't leave a lot of room for romance. I like it being vague, actually, that way you can imagine whatever suits how you imagine Shepard (and Garrus) to be.

I'm just glad Garrus doesn't have any emotional baggage the way some LIs do, regarding relationships (Kaidan with Rahna, Thane with Irikah, Carth and Sky with their dead wives).

I think the lack of dramatic relationship baggage is one of the best parts of the Garrus romance. He's your friend, he doesn't come in with a line that makes you hope your femShep has some mace handy (I'm looking at you, Jacob) and there's no "oh my dead wife and traumatized son" or "oh I like you, but there's the scary fraternization thing and this girl from band biotic camp"... Just you and Garrus. Not that he has no other baggage, but at least it seems to be stuff that's not relationship oriented (so far anyway, who knows what will come hopping out of the closet in ME3 LOL)

I can't quite imagine my Shepard being the virginal type I don't think she had a guy in every port or something, and she doesn't strike me as someone who's had tons of long-lasting super-meaningful relationships either, but I assume she had her first love and little romantic interlude here and there. She's just too, uhm, confident shall we say to be completely unfamiliar with the topic

I'm pretty sure Garrus can remove the scouter, but I think he's used to wearing it... Like me and my glasses, they're not really very useful in a romantic scenario, bu until my bf's nose smacks into them, I forget I'm wearing them LOL (apparently, so does he, since the nose smack always happens)

oh and @aznsoisauce (if I traced my quote tree back properly ) I read a few pages of the Mock Effect thing and I'm still laughing. I'm prolly just way out of the loop, but I had no clue it was out there so thanks for posting the link! 'tis now bookmarked

[AnotherStupidAccount]

I agree completely about the lack of relationship baggage. It seemed like half the ship had some sort of family issue I was supposed to solve.

[-D-C-D-]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

She could be. She's had a very eventful life, doesn't leave a lot of room for romance. I like it being vague, actually, that way you can imagine whatever suits how you imagine Shepard (and Garrus) to be.

I'm just glad Garrus doesn't have any emotional baggage the way some LIs do, regarding relationships (Kaidan with Rahna, Thane with Irikah, Carth and Sky with their dead wives).

I think the lack of dramatic relationship baggage is one of the best parts of the Garrus romance. He's your friend, he doesn't come in with a line that makes you hope your femShep has some mace handy (I'm looking at you, Jacob) and there's no "oh my dead wife and traumatized son" or "oh I like you, but there's the scary fraternization thing and this girl from band biotic camp"... Just you and Garrus. Not that he has no other baggage, but at least it seems to be stuff that's not relationship oriented (so far anyway, who knows what will come hopping out of the closet in ME3 LOL)

I can't quite imagine my Shepard being the virginal type I don't think she had a guy in every port or something, and she doesn't strike me as someone who's had tons of long-lasting super-meaningful relationships either, but I assume she had her first love and little romantic interlude here and there. She's just too, uhm, confident shall we say to be completely unfamiliar with the topic

I'm pretty sure Garrus can remove the scouter, but I think he's used to wearing it... Like me and my glasses, they're not really very useful in a romantic scenario, bu until my bf's nose smacks into them, I forget I'm wearing them LOL (apparently, so does he, since the nose smack always happens)

oh and @aznsoisauce (if I traced my quote tree back properly ) I read a few pages of the Mock Effect thing and I'm still laughing. I'm prolly just way out of the loop, but I had no clue it was out there so thanks for posting the link! 'tis now bookmarked

Another addition to the Femshep/Garrus romance...anyone else feel that on his loyalty mission, in the car, it just seemed "right" to have Shep and Garrus sitting next to each other, discussing what was going to happen. Especially if you went Paragon and started asking him if he was sure etc. They reminded me of a couple on a regular car journey haha...only discussing murder instead of what sandwiches they forgot to bring. Ha.

It's also the most believable IMO. Thane's is a bit too intense, and Jacob's...don't get me started haha. It's so artificial and materialistic it bothers me. And I'm a guy! That shouldn't bother me lol.

So yeah, Garrus+Femshep all the way....still sticking with the bromance for my first Shep however

[Gerse1]

FYI: Video where Mordin quasi-addresses how crew members know all of your biznaz even when you don't talk to them about it. 

Lol@ Joker and EDI, I saw a Seth Green interview somewhere where he's complaining (sarcastically) about how the only romance he gets to have is with a computer.

Edit: ok, might wanna include the actual link. <_<

Modifié par Gerse1, 27 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[padaE]

The best thing about Garrus is that he have a Roman Eagle in his arm!

[Daewan]

Ugh. Is it possible to restart a romance? I think I screwed up, Garrus won't give me the second 'talk' about sex and I think I continued from the wrong save....

What should I doooooooooo?

[Brass_Buckles]

-D-C-D- wrote...

Nightfire78 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

She could be. She's had a very eventful life, doesn't leave a lot of room for romance. I like it being vague, actually, that way you can imagine whatever suits how you imagine Shepard (and Garrus) to be.

I'm just glad Garrus doesn't have any emotional baggage the way some LIs do, regarding relationships (Kaidan with Rahna, Thane with Irikah, Carth and Sky with their dead wives).

I think the lack of dramatic relationship baggage is one of the best parts of the Garrus romance. He's your friend, he doesn't come in with a line that makes you hope your femShep has some mace handy (I'm looking at you, Jacob) and there's no "oh my dead wife and traumatized son" or "oh I like you, but there's the scary fraternization thing and this girl from band biotic camp"... Just you and Garrus. Not that he has no other baggage, but at least it seems to be stuff that's not relationship oriented (so far anyway, who knows what will come hopping out of the closet in ME3 LOL)

I can't quite imagine my Shepard being the virginal type I don't think she had a guy in every port or something, and she doesn't strike me as someone who's had tons of long-lasting super-meaningful relationships either, but I assume she had her first love and little romantic interlude here and there. She's just too, uhm, confident shall we say to be completely unfamiliar with the topic

I'm pretty sure Garrus can remove the scouter, but I think he's used to wearing it... Like me and my glasses, they're not really very useful in a romantic scenario, bu until my bf's nose smacks into them, I forget I'm wearing them LOL (apparently, so does he, since the nose smack always happens)

oh and @aznsoisauce (if I traced my quote tree back properly ) I read a few pages of the Mock Effect thing and I'm still laughing. I'm prolly just way out of the loop, but I had no clue it was out there so thanks for posting the link! 'tis now bookmarked

Another addition to the Femshep/Garrus romance...anyone else feel that on his loyalty mission, in the car, it just seemed "right" to have Shep and Garrus sitting next to each other, discussing what was going to happen. Especially if you went Paragon and started asking him if he was sure etc. They reminded me of a couple on a regular car journey haha...only discussing murder instead of what sandwiches they forgot to bring. Ha.

It's also the most believable IMO. Thane's is a bit too intense, and Jacob's...don't get me started haha. It's so artificial and materialistic it bothers me. And I'm a guy! That shouldn't bother me lol.

So yeah, Garrus+Femshep all the way....still sticking with the bromance for my first Shep however

What bugs me about Thane isn't even the emotional baggage.  It's the fact that he's emo and he's dying of an incurable disease.  Depressing much?

Kaidan pretty much says, "Eff you, Cerberus Lackey," and displays a complete lack of trust.

Jacob is Cerberus, I can't see why you'd trust him enough for a romance.

Then there's Garrus.  Garrus has been your buddy since ME1.  He can be trusted.  Sadly, he does really need Shepard to be there for him--one point against him in a way (setting out to "fix" someone who is "broken" is asking for trouble), though it's nothing relationship-related really.  But, on the other hand, I think the end romance scene implies that he means to be there for Shepard, too--sure, he wants things to go right for once, but he's also someone she can trust and share her burdens with.  Best of all, because they've both been there, done that, for most of the adventure, they don't even necessarily have to talk about it to understand one another.  Can't do that with the Cerberus goons.  It really does seem natural that their friendship could--and maybe should--become something more.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Nightfire78 wrote...

I think the lack of dramatic relationship baggage is one of the best parts of the Garrus romance. He's your friend, he doesn't come in with a line that makes you hope your femShep has some mace handy (I'm looking at you, Jacob) and there's no "oh my dead wife and traumatized son" or "oh I like you, but there's the scary fraternization thing and this girl from band biotic camp"... Just you and Garrus. Not that he has no other baggage, but at least it seems to be stuff that's not relationship oriented (so far anyway, who knows what will come hopping out of the closet in ME3 LOL)

Right, his type of baggage isn't the type where he curls into a corner and weeps about it.. it's the type that turns him into a turian vigilante. In other words, the best kind.

@-D-C-D-: My thoughts exactly, they just fit so well together. And the car scene is by far my favorite scene in the game.

[aznsoisauce]

Nightfire78 wrote...
oh and @aznsoisauce (if I traced my quote tree back properly ) I read a few pages of the Mock Effect thing and I'm still laughing. I'm prolly just way out of the loop, but I had no clue it was out there so thanks for posting the link! 'tis now bookmarked 

Sadly, the author has no plans to make a Mock Effect 2 at this time.

-D-C-D- wrote...
Another addition to the Femshep/Garrus romance...anyone else feel that on his loyalty mission, in the car, it just seemed "right" to have Shep and Garrus sitting next to each other, discussing what was going to happen. Especially if you went Paragon and started asking him if he was sure etc. They reminded me of a couple on a regular car journey haha...only discussing murder instead of what sandwiches they forgot to bring. Ha.

It's also the most believable IMO. Thane's is a bit too intense, and Jacob's...don't get me started haha. It's so artificial and materialistic it bothers me. And I'm a guy! That shouldn't bother me lol.

So yeah, Garrus+Femshep all the way....still sticking with the bromance for my first Shep however

Imagine how it felt to those Garrus lovers that did not yet know that Garrus was romanceable!

But...yeah. That's one of the things that makes me a Garrus love supporter. To me, out of all the other relationships that can be pursued, Shepard being with Garrus just feels so right.

[Sialater]

Well, I wouldn't say there's no baggage... he did lose her once, and then when she's recruiting him, she nearly loses him...



So there's baggage, it's just with each other.

[Gerse1]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

She could be. She's had a very eventful life, doesn't leave a lot of room for romance. I like it being vague, actually, that way you can imagine whatever suits how you imagine Shepard (and Garrus) to be.

I'm just glad Garrus doesn't have any emotional baggage the way some LIs do, regarding relationships (Kaidan with Rahna, Thane with Irikah, Carth and Sky with their dead wives).

I can't quite imagine my Shepard being the virginal type I don't think she had a guy in every port or something, and she doesn't strike me as someone who's had tons of long-lasting super-meaningful relationships either, but I assume she had her first love and little romantic interlude here and there. She's just too, uhm, confident shall we say to be completely unfamiliar with the topic

I'm pretty sure Garrus can remove the scouter, but I think he's used to wearing it... Like me and my glasses, they're not really very useful in a romantic scenario, bu until my bf's nose smacks into them, I forget I'm wearing them LOL (apparently, so does he, since the nose smack always happens)

Agreed.  Like Aris said, it's purposefully vague so you can believe whatever you want about your Shepard, but honestly I feel like assuming she's a virgin or that Kaiden/Liara were her first loves takes a lot more mental legwork (not least because of her confidence, as Nightfire says).  Maybe it also depends partly on the origin story, but I just don't get people's reliance on her (or Garrus, or honestly every character seems to suffer this excuse for one reason or another) having been "busy" with being a soldier her whole life as reason to think she'd not have time for ANY intimate relationship (casual or not) all the way until the evens of ME1 when she's in her 30s.  If anything, people with dull lives are less likely to have grand love affairs. 

Besides, Shep doesn't join the Alliance until 18 no matter which origin she has.  Even if she waited until she was older, the only "events" we know of for sure are Akuze/Torfan/Elysium.  That's one event in like 15 years.  In real life, it's quite common for career soldiers have relationships and even families.   I don't think someone with the confidence, smarts, or personality of Shep OR Garrus would make it to their 30s with just one -- or no -- intimate relationships.

Anyway I guess my point is, I constantly see people using the fact that something wasn't fleshed out in full detail as evidence that something is "impossible" or didn't happen (Aris I know that's not what you meant it just reminds me).  Don't forget absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.  It would be impossible for Bioware to cover *every* detail of the past lives of every character.  They barely scratch the surface of even the most developed ones, if you really think about it.

Also, I always assumed Garrus got the scouter at C-Sec, and that it was useful to him as a law enforcement officer, and later, as a sniper.  He wears it because he likes it....it is definitely out of place in the love scene.  I'm more tempted to think the devs were either too lazy, or forgot to take it off.  Another reason not to obsess over every tiny detail in a game sometimes -- what you are seeing/hearing may not even be what was intended as "canon" in first place; devs make mistakes.

[Brass_Buckles]

aznsoisauce wrote...
Imagine how it felt to those Garrus lovers that did not yet know that Garrus was romanceable!

But...yeah. That's one of the things that makes me a Garrus love supporter. To me, out of all the other relationships that can be pursued, Shepard being with Garrus just feels so right.

You mean like me when I first did my playthrough?

With male-Shepard, I suppose Tali would be the equivalent, but given her age in comparison to Shepard's--I'll agree with some other posters on the forum that that could be a little creepy.  For Fem-Shepard, I'm sorry, Thane definitely comes off as a character specifically created for some kind of soap-opera-ish romance.  Garrus, on the other hand--well, he was already there.  It's kind of natural.

[Ms Cherissa]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
They are tattoos, not paint, I think.  You can still see bits of the tattoo on the blasted side of Garrus's face.  Or I could be wrong, since Shepard does mention face paint.

Codex calls 'em tattoos, IIRC. And Garrus isn't remarkable in his coloration, except as BioWare made minor emphasis on things like the less common blue tattoos.

My own speculation is that after boot camp, all the 16 year old turians go down to the tattoo parlor and decide which colony in their ancestry gets honored as the 'elaborate facial tattoos' are supposed to indicate the 'colony of origin'.  Example: Vorena Tullius was born/hatched/W/E on Palaven to father Tevye (also from Palaven but his family moved to Taetres) and mother Kleryssa (from Meade Cluster).  Pre-military enlistment, she traveled with both of her parents as part of their cargo freight business, visiting her grandparents out at Meade Cluster as often as she was on Palaven, and actually never felt called to or at home when visiting Taetres. Thus, when she 'graduated', she ended up choosing the Meade Cluster insignia tattoo from her mother's side of the family rather than the core world or Taetres markings.

But that's speculation on my part. The only thing I have that even remotely supports this is that Nihlus clearly has the markings of a large/well-known colony, despite the fact he was born and raised outside of Heirarchy space.

[Exile Isan]

Ms Cherissa wrote...
Codex calls 'em tattoos, IIRC. And Garrus isn't remarkable in his coloration, except as BioWare made minor emphasis on things like the less common blue tattoos.

The Codex says: "To this day, most turians still wear the facial markings of their home colonies". Just says facial markings, but in ME2 Shepard calls it face paint.

[MarginalBeast]

Gerse1 wrote...

Yeah, earlier in the thread (or maybe it wasn't even in this one?) people were arguing over whether that female turian was his only other romantic encounter, but I highly doubt that.  People always say she and Shep are the only two because he's never mentioned others, and because "focuses on his work."  The fact that he's never mentioned others doesn't really suffice as evidence for me.  You can read between lines a little bit without destroying canon if you do it right.

Eh. I honestly don't know where this whole "Garrus is a player" mentality comes from. Maybe I'm crazy, but when I heard the "reach and flexiblity" conversation he almost seemed embarrassed to even be talking about it. Also, he only ever refers to sex directly once in the entire game, and when he does it's very "clinical" as he says. He just doesn't strike me as a very sexually-driven person I guess, or as one who is entirely comfortable talking about it. That's not to say he doesn't enjoy sex--I'm sure he does--just that he doesn't actively pursue it often. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that he has had more sexual encounters than just that one turian and Shepard, but it's also reasonable to assume that he hasn't. I can see it being either way. I just don't know why people are automatically labling him as a smooth ladies' man, because the thought never even occurred to me. He seems far too focused on work to even care about that sort of thing.

Even when he tells male Shepard the comment about being hit on all the time, I honestly took it as a joke to cover up his insecurities and nothing more than that.

As for his attractiveness...I have no idea. It'd be interesting to find out what turians consider to be attractive among males of their species. I assume he isn't horrendous by turian standards, though.

Gerse1 wrote...
Shepard hasn't talked about her past loves either, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't a virgin before Kaiden, lol.

That's entirely up to the player until BioWare says otherwise (similar to Shepard's religious beliefs). It's possible. One of my Shepards, the colonist/sole survivor, is a virgin for a number of reasons which I won't get into, since this isn't the "Let's talk about our Shepards" thread. But you don't walk away from events like that without being a little...odd, is all I'm saying.

Plus, I find it interesting to imagine that Garrus actually has the upper hand/is the more experienced person in at least one thing. Shepard trumps him in just about every other category. I guess it just makes her feel more human and flawed to me this way. ...Can you tell I enjoy the RPing aspect of Mass Effect a little too much?

Also, perhaps some Shepards are asexual and pursue no relationships and will likely be virgins their entire lives. I don't imagine that any of mine are, but I'm just sayin'. Some players get creative.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 27 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Gerse1 wrote...

Nightfire78 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

She could be. She's had a very eventful life, doesn't leave a lot of room for romance. I like it being vague, actually, that way you can imagine whatever suits how you imagine Shepard (and Garrus) to be.

I'm just glad Garrus doesn't have any emotional baggage the way some LIs do, regarding relationships (Kaidan with Rahna, Thane with Irikah, Carth and Sky with their dead wives).

I can't quite imagine my Shepard being the virginal type I don't think she had a guy in every port or something, and she doesn't strike me as someone who's had tons of long-lasting super-meaningful relationships either, but I assume she had her first love and little romantic interlude here and there. She's just too, uhm, confident shall we say to be completely unfamiliar with the topic

I'm pretty sure Garrus can remove the scouter, but I think he's used to wearing it... Like me and my glasses, they're not really very useful in a romantic scenario, bu until my bf's nose smacks into them, I forget I'm wearing them LOL (apparently, so does he, since the nose smack always happens)

Agreed.  Like Aris said, it's purposefully vague so you can believe whatever you want about your Shepard, but honestly I feel like assuming she's a virgin or that Kaiden/Liara were her first loves takes a lot more mental legwork (not least because of her confidence, as Nightfire says).  Maybe it also depends partly on the origin story, but I just don't get people's reliance on her (or Garrus, or honestly every character seems to suffer this excuse for one reason or another) having been "busy" with being a soldier her whole life as reason to think she'd not have time for ANY intimate relationship (casual or not) all the way until the evens of ME1 when she's in her 30s.  If anything, people with dull lives are less likely to have grand love affairs. 

Besides, Shep doesn't join the Alliance until 18 no matter which origin she has.  Even if she waited until she was older, the only "events" we know of for sure are Akuze/Torfan/Elysium.  That's one event in like 15 years.  In real life, it's quite common for career soldiers have relationships and even families.   I don't think someone with the confidence, smarts, or personality of Shep OR Garrus would make it to their 30s with just one -- or no -- intimate relationships.

Anyway I guess my point is, I constantly see people using the fact that something wasn't fleshed out in full detail as evidence that something is "impossible" or didn't happen (Aris I know that's not what you meant it just reminds me).  Don't forget absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.  It would be impossible for Bioware to cover *every* detail of the past lives of every character.  They barely scratch the surface of even the most developed ones, if you really think about it.

Also, I always assumed Garrus got the scouter at C-Sec, and that it was useful to him as a law enforcement officer, and later, as a sniper.  He wears it because he likes it....it is definitely out of place in the love scene.  I'm more tempted to think the devs were either too lazy, or forgot to take it off.  Another reason not to obsess over every tiny detail in a game sometimes -- what you are seeing/hearing may not even be what was intended as "canon" in first place; devs make mistakes.

I figure such things should be left to the player to decide--though I am with you guys in that I really doubt that Kaidan (if romanced) was Fem-Shep's first.

[aznsoisauce]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

*Pokes head in*
Not my usual ship, but figured I'd pop this in. Accidental screenshot turned out well, mmhmm.

*Runs away*

D'aw! :3
<3

[Nightfire78]

@Lunarionsilver

  Aw, what a cute accidental screeny Why do my accidental ones always have the back of someone's head covering the whole screen or similar uninspiring visual effects?? *sigh* Well, at least I can enjoy other people's nice screenies

[Briallen]

Gerse1 wrote...

I don't think someone with the confidence, smarts, or personality of Shep OR Garrus would make it to their 30s with just one -- or no -- intimate relationships.

I know it's practically unheard of in this day and age, but some people actually do choose to remain virgins for whatever reason. (And no, those people aren't automatically "odd" or messed up in the head, contrary to society's royally skewed ideals and expectations.) I'm not saying that Shepard is one, because I personally also doubt that such is the case, but it's far from being completely outside the realm of possibility. 

Modifié par Briallen, 27 février 2010 - 06:27 .