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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

They at least threatened his life, and I'd be seriously surprised if some kind of torture wasn't included in there--Sidonis certainly believed they were able to make good on their threats. I thought it wouldn't make sense for Garrus's crusaders to have family, but then you get the letter from someone's (living) wife, so that's also a definite possibility. It's kinda why I can't hate him too much, even for betraying Garrus--people always talk big about how they would never betray their friends, but it's a little arrogant to say that you would never ever succumb to torture. I can understand why he did what he did, even if his lack of faith is disturbing disappointing.

I just want to know how he will "make it up" to garrus. Ah the suspense!

[irene9876]

Collider wrote...

I don't think Garrus made a mistake. It was basically just one coward who sold out the whole team, that wasn't Garrus' fault, that was Sidonis' fault. Garrus is obviously a great leader - he managed to ****** off every major mercenary group on Omega with his uber team, and he's a swell leader in the suicide mission. Garrus FTW. Good bro for MShep, good LI for femShep =p

Well that's basically the point I was trying to make, that what happened on Omega didn't mean Garrus was a bad leader.

[Lemonwizard]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Totally randomly changing the topic again here.

So I was thinking, and I realized, there seems to be a trend in the few turian relationships that we see in-game in ME1 and ME2.

Septimus was friends with Sha'ira (before he tried to become more than that and, if you convince him, he returns to being just friends). The turian-quarian pair at Illium are also friends. Garrus is Shepard's friend. We don't see any others that I can remember, but clearly there's a common thread here.

It makes me wonder if turians tend to only pursue romantic relationships with people they're already friends with. If so, then we've been looking at the Garrus-Shepard romance the wrong way in terms of "but he doesn't want to lose his friend." No, Shepard doesn't (and for her it may be an issue), but for Garrus, if turian culture actually does go in that direction, it would be more of a natural progression to become more than just friends with a person of the opposite gender whom he trusts, respects, and generally gets along well with.

When I thought about this, it somehow does make sense because the primary things Garrus seems to consider about Shepard in the first "flirt" are trust and respect--and not to mention friendship. Then the turians are a culture that's all about honor and the greater good. You're less likely to develop an unhealthy obsession over somebody you already know pretty well. In other words, you're less likely to be distracted from your job or to focus exclusively on that person when others may need your attention. Of course there'd still be issues when one of said friends did not in fact want a relationship with the other, but when you think about it--it makes sense. It's the kind of practical approach to love and romance that seems like the sort of thing turians would go for.

Ironically enough, this is what I consider the intelligent way to pursue relationships in real life. My ideal woman is basically just a platonic best friend plus sex. Somebody who you legitimately just want to do everything with. Dating somebody who you're not already friends with is incredibly hit or miss and doesn't seem to get anywhere in my experience. And regarding the "ruining the friendship" factor many people complain about, I'm of the mind that if your friendship can get ruined by a little awkward tension you were hardly that good of friends in the first place.

[enormousmoonboots]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

They at least threatened his life, and I'd be seriously surprised if some kind of torture wasn't included in there--Sidonis certainly believed they were able to make good on their threats. I thought it wouldn't make sense for Garrus's crusaders to have family, but then you get the letter from someone's (living) wife, so that's also a definite possibility. It's kinda why I can't hate him too much, even for betraying Garrus--people always talk big about how they would never betray their friends, but it's a little arrogant to say that you would never ever succumb to torture. I can understand why he did what he did, even if his lack of faith is disturbing disappointing.

I just want to know how he will "make it up" to garrus. Ah the suspense!

Given ME2's interpretation of 'repayment', it'll be an email. B|

...huh. I just had a thought. It would make sense for Sidonis to go into community service, right? Since he can't really be arrested?

What if he met up with Kolyat?

[Collider]

irene9876 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think Garrus made a mistake. It was basically just one coward who sold out the whole team, that wasn't Garrus' fault, that was Sidonis' fault. Garrus is obviously a great leader - he managed to ****** off every major mercenary group on Omega with his uber team, and he's a swell leader in the suicide mission. Garrus FTW. Good bro for MShep, good LI for femShep =p

Well that's basically the point I was trying to make, that what happened on Omega didn't mean Garrus was a bad leader.

yes

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

They at least threatened his life, and I'd be seriously surprised if some kind of torture wasn't included in there--Sidonis certainly believed they were able to make good on their threats. I thought it wouldn't make sense for Garrus's crusaders to have family, but then you get the letter from someone's (living) wife, so that's also a definite possibility. It's kinda why I can't hate him too much, even for betraying Garrus--people always talk big about how they would never betray their friends, but it's a little arrogant to say that you would never ever succumb to torture. I can understand why he did what he did, even if his lack of faith is disturbing disappointing.

I just want to know how he will "make it up" to garrus. Ah the suspense!

Given ME2's interpretation of 'repayment', it'll be an email. B|

...huh. I just had a thought. It would make sense for Sidonis to go into community service, right? Since he can't really be arrested?

What if he met up with Kolyat?

What if he trys to play vigilante if he saw anything bad about to happen to either shepard or garrus?

[Kim Shepard]

Yeah, my current Shepard would definitely leave Miranda on the Normandy if he could. xD He'll go through all the trouble of losing her loyalty and bringing her to the final battle against the human Reaper just to kill her off. (Nothing against Miranda... He's just the Shepard I'm playing as very paranoid of Cerberus, so much that he purposely takes his sweet time getting to the Collector base. Jacob is the only Cerberus person who will live. He's going to betray TIM too, and I like TIM.) By the way, he's also the Shepard who romances Tali.

I don't have Kasumi in my game, but she sounds awesome. I just read in another thread that she calls Shepard "Shep". No one else gives Shepard a nickname... and I think she might be one of the few characters Evil Shepard would sort of like after the comment she makes about Morinth.

Sidonis will always die in my game, at least for the Shepards I have planned out now. If ME3 comes around and there's a significant difference if Sidonis lives, I'll create a new Shepard who is somehow more forgiving than the others. One of my Shepards is the type who would never give in to the threat of (or actual) torture because, honestly, he's seen enough criminals who would just torture/kill after getting the information they want just because they feel like it. He also doesn't get involved with anyone to avoid a repeat of Thane's past though (family being killed off because an enemy wanted to get to him). He's the one who will make Sidonis talk before Garrus kills him.

[Collider]

I don't have Kasumi in my game, but she sounds awesome.

You should consider getting the DLC She talks about your relationship with your ME2 love interest, including Garrus.



I also had Garrus kill Sidonis. It felt like justice to me. At least Sidonis' family is safe.

[Kim Shepard]

Collider wrote...

I don't have Kasumi in my game, but she sounds awesome.

You should consider getting the DLC She talks about your relationship with your ME2 love interest, including Garrus.

I also had Garrus kill Sidonis. It felt like justice to me. At least Sidonis' family is safe.

If I had the PC version, I would definitely get the DLC, but I don't think my PC would be able to play Mass Effect, and I don't want to connect the internet to my Xbox, so... no DLC for me. If I ever decide to get a gaming PC in the future, the Mass Effect games and their DLC would be the first thing I buy. (BioWare's coming out with a Star Wars MMO too... I'm not sure if my PC could play that either.)

[Re_spawNZ7]

Hey Clan V. Completely off all topics and excuse if this is old but I had to share it.
Was just reading through my newly acquired copy of the Mass Effect 2 Guide...thumbing through to the Archangel section and it stated:

"Now that Garrus is part of the crew, a female Shepard can flirt with Garrus, but a fully-fledged romance is not possible". 

Did they actually play the game?  Imagine ME2 with no Garrus headbump! I don't want to play in THAT universe.

I had a sad:unsure:

[Collider]

@Rebe - I imagine they misinterpreted what the developers told them and didn't actually go through the romance completely. I mean, the romances themselves in this game basically amount to choosing the top right option, there's no strategy guide needed for that =p

Modifié par Collider, 05 mai 2010 - 07:17 .

[Lemonwizard]

Alot of "official" guides tend to be riddled with errors.

[Flammie]

I've yet to get Kasumi, and I can't buy her, yet.

I always kept Sidonis alive...

[quote]Cerrydd wrote...

Wiki says turians get formal citizenship after bootcamp. Bootcamp starts for every turian at the age of 15. I don't know how long that bootcamp lasts, but I think maybe 5 years or something? Pure speculation, but I don't think boot camp will go on much longer. Otherwise they'll have a big gap of turians in boot camp that can't work anywhere else.

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I believe I've read that boot camp lasts for a year to become a soldier, but more will time for being an officer... which could be 5 years.

[quote]Collider wrote...

Most annoying parts of ME1 were the Benezia fight
and the fight before you enter the mine on Therum. Reloaded sooo many
times. On ME1, that reminds me, the fight against the Thorian was fun.
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I kept getting downed and then murdered by Benezia. In the end I just stood behind the corner pillars, and because I was still in battle I could sprint from each corner to the next...

The biggest problem I had with the battle before entering the mine in Therum was cover being a little far away, so I got nuked as I attempted to scramble for cover...

Did anybody else have difficulty with the massive open area before the final battle with all those rocket turrets?

[quote]Azint wrote...

[quote]Collider wrote...

Yea, those
were annoying in ME1. Getting killed in one hit because the Thresher
Maw randomly jumped out of the ground right next to you and you didn't
save in 40 minutes = not fun.

[/quote]
I have a save fetish
for the very thing. I just know that something bad will happen, and all
that game time with no saves will all be for nothing. Also, having
multiple saves is a must.

I learned all of the above the hard way.[/quote]

I didn't have a lot of problem with the Thresher Maw... I did jump everytime it spat acid at me, though, and it hasn't appeared underneath me, yet...

But, yeah, I learned the hard way to constantly save and have multiple saves. ME1's autosave isn't as good as ME2's autosave...

[quote]Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

[quote]CamoBadger wrote...

[quote]Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Of course it wouldn't. I would leave nice ass lady and the priiize behind. Who wants some dextro ice cream?!
Kasumi: What about me?
[Renegade interupt]
Asians don't eat ice cream.

+15 Renegade lul points
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Oh don't be mean to Kasumi. She is awsome, not only does she like Tali, but she also saves a little girl from slavers.

[/quote]
Ok
fine, i will give her rice ice cream. And yeah, kasumi is like one of
my favorite characters and i am poed that she is just a DLC.[/quote]

I SO DO EAT SWEET ICE CREAM TOO!!! *Chicken assaults Shepard*

[Re_spawNZ7]

Now it's gone quiet....did I break the internets

[Flammie]

Eh, I break internets plenty of times when I don't mean to. It's not hard to get used to.

[Collider]

The biggest problem I had with the battle before entering the mine in Therum was cover being a little far away, so I got nuked as I attempted to scramble for cover...

Oh my god, I ****ing hated that part. And each time I died I had to see the cutscene AGAIN.

[Kim Shepard]

I have the strategy guide too, and it doesn't mention the Tali romance either. There are a few other things it doesn't mention, like certain side missions from returning ME1 NPCs, probably because they can all (or at least most of them) be killed off. Even in the Tuchanka chapter, it only briefly mentions that Wrex will be the krogan leader if he survived ME1.

It's still helpful for me (especially when I realized I could just use the planet/minerals guide to find the right planets to scan without wasting too much time on it). Too bad every strategy guide can't be like the Dragon Age guide - so much detail, even for character conversations and romances.

[Collider]

The strategy guide must just be shoddy if it's failing to mention so many things. That happens sometimes, thankfully I've only bought one that I thought was poor.

[Flammie]

All the strategy guides I've got are pretty good... I haven't got an ME2 strategy guide, though.

The first time the death before the mine happened to me I hadn't saved at all throughout the level... ¬v¬

Things got a little better once I got behind the box. Though Garrus got nuked a lot.

Modifié par Flammie, 05 mai 2010 - 07:40 .

[Collider]

Flammie wrote...

All the strategy guides I've got are pretty good.

The first time the death before the mine happened to me I hadn't saved at all throughout the level... ¬v¬

Things got a little better once I got behind the box. Though Garrus got nuked a lot.

I hated the sniper enemies in ME1. That's literally the only reason why Therum pre-mine was so ****ing frustrating.

[Flammie]

Snipers? I haven't had a problem with them, though they take down my shields a little quickly...

[Re_spawNZ7]

Kim Shepard wrote...

I have the strategy guide too, and it doesn't mention the Tali romance either. There are a few other things it doesn't mention, like certain side missions from returning ME1 NPCs, probably because they can all (or at least most of them) be killed off. Even in the Tuchanka chapter, it only briefly mentions that Wrex will be the krogan leader if he survived ME1.

It's still helpful for me (especially when I realized I could just use the planet/minerals guide to find the right planets to scan without wasting too much time on it). Too bad every strategy guide can't be like the Dragon Age guide - so much detail, even for character conversations and romances.

Yeah, DA:O Guide spoilt it for me. Such a good guide - really, really well put together (kudos to Mr Searle for putting so much time and love into it) . Then invested in ME2 one and I was disappoint <_<

Aww well, at least we can share tips and tricks that the guide lacks - ie. last night went through SM and Jack died - she was loyal, but I chose Miri over her in argument - does that cause it? I can't think of anything else that could cause it...or did I miss something obvious...

Oh, and Garrus

[Collider]

Tali thread is getting bromotional over the thought of Garrus getting rejected pre-suicide mission. Too cruel...

Snipers? I haven't had a problem with them, though they take down my shields a little quickly...

Their tendency to kill me in one or two hits is pretty annoying. And those hoppers - those frog geth jumping everywhere, make it even worse.

[Collider]

Rebe70 wrote...
Aww well, at least we can share tips and tricks that the guide lacks - ie. last night went through SM and Jack died - she was loyal, but I chose Miri over her in argument - does that cause it? I can't think of anything else that could cause it...or did I miss something obvious...

Oh, and Garrus

Depends how you used Jack. She's squishy so she's one of the most likely squad mates to die while holding the line. Having her loyalty will only increase her chances of survival.

[Re_spawNZ7]

@Collider



First RT everyone survived with my 1st Shep. This one I had Jack take crew back to ship...dead. Then I had her hold the line...dead at end of mission. Argh...I hate losing anyone. Paragon all the way and 'no one gets left behind'...unless they are Jack it seems =( Maybe game is being spiteful because I romanced Thane with this Shep lol.