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[Nivenus]

I hope that if they do make an expansion that they let us carry over everybody from ME2. While the party members of Awakening have their virtues (and vices, of course), I really thought it was annoying we couldn't carry over our party from DA:O. I mean, for some characters it made sense (depending on your actions: Alistair, Loghain, and, of course, Morrigan by default - and of course anybody who ended up dying) but I'd spent hours getting to know those guys and building them into a team. At least we got Oghren.

But you know, an ME2 expansion just won't be the same without bro!Garrus to chill with. Or LI!Garrus to cuddle, if that's how you roll.


EDIT: First time on top of the Garrus thread. If no one objects, I'll put a picture on top.



Okay, I guess I didn't really wait for anybody to object. 

Modifié par Nivenus, 05 mai 2010 - 08:59 .

[LOLandStuff]

Sand king is obviously trolling since ha has nothing better to do.

Concerning Garrus' leadership skills, there are other things you can do with your time besides shooting mercs for let's say 24/7. And Sidonis asked Garrus to help him with something in order to lure him out. Besides, the attack on his base was a surprise attack.

"Oh look, the most dangerous groups allied themselves and are heading towards our base. But let's go help you with that favor Sidonis."

From your logic, Garrus shouldn't let anyone leave their post and be always on their guard. He can't allow himself to go to the restroom because you may never know when mercenaries might hit. And that would make you a bad leader, and no one wants that.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Nivenus wrote...

I hope that if they do make an expansion that they let us carry over everybody from ME2. While the party members of Awakening have their virtues (and vices, of course), I really thought it was annoying we couldn't carry over our party from DA:O. I mean, for some characters it made sense (depending on your actions: Alistair, Loghain, and, of course, Morrigan by default - and of course anybody who ended up dying) but I'd spent hours getting to know those guys and building them into a team. At least we got Oghren.

But you know, an ME2 expansion just won't be the same without bro!Garrus to chill with. Or LI!Garrus to cuddle, if that's how you roll.

I was disappointed with DA:A (still haven't completed it) for that reason. I get why they had to do it that way but there was no real feel for the characters - taking the relationship down to occasional chat ruined it for me. If the Darkspawn chewed on them I wouldn't be all that concerned (shrugs). It was almost as if the Dev Team had missed what really gave DA:O a point of difference or decided to ignore it completely and just give us another 'hack and slash' expansion because it was easier/quicker.

Then I discovered Mass Effect and all was ok again 

And also the fact that DLC armor didn't carry over...I ended up standing in front of the keep at the beginning in my bra and knickers as a default...hey, my warden is tough but not THAT tough!

[lovgreno]

Garrus is the best and deserves endless treads free of trolls (they should be calibrated).

I wonder how old Garrus is... There arent any real clues about that as far as I know. He looks and sounds like most other Turians so that is not of much help.

I think he is rather young, probably around the same age as Tali.

He idolises Shepard who also is something of a mentor to him. That very rarely happens with people of your own age or younger. Especialy as Garrus himself is a extaordinary individual too.

His personality is also a rather typical young idealist and rebel.

[Collider]

Garrus is under 30.

[Nivenus]

lovgreno wrote...

Garrus is the best and deserves endless treads free of trolls (they should be calibrated).
I wonder how old Garrus is... There arent any real clues about that as far as I know. He looks and sounds like most other Turians so that is not of much help.
I think he is rather young, probably around the same age as Tali.
He idolises Shepard who also is something of a mentor to him. That very rarely happens with people of your own age or younger. Especialy as Garrus himself is a extaordinary individual too.
His personality is also a rather typical young idealist and rebel.

Tali may not be as young as some people claim (some really absolutely honestly think she's a teenager), but I think Garrus is probably a bit older at least. He seems to already be pretty experienced by the time he meets Shepard - what with serving in the turian military and C-Sec long enough to become something of a Dirty Harry in the force. Late mid 20s is where I'd peg him at in ME1, late 20s for ME2. Assuming, of course, that turian years are equivalent to human years (which I think they are - krogan, asari, and salarians seem to be the exception).

Bout the same age as Shepard in other words.

[the Neonpeony]

you know, whenever i see the scene where Archangel is revealed to be Garrus...



this song comes to mind:



,



for someone who tells mercs to beat it.. with one sniper slug at a time.

[Collider]

Tali's 24.

[Kim Shepard]

I liked Awakening. It was surprising when I read on the forums that Oghren would be the only returning character from Origins, but I wasn't as attached to the DA crew as I am to the ME crew, so it didn't really bother me. Actually, I preferred the characters from Awakening... Anyway, that part right before the final mission, when the Warden chooses which squadmates to bring - I won't spoil anything, but it was amazing how they all seemed to have personalized responses to whatever the Warden chose. This should happen in Mass Effect too.

I think Garrus is close to Shepard's age, maybe a year or two younger. I didn't know some people think Tali is a teenager though. o_o; I guessed early-mid 20's.

[Collider]

I agree with Kim about Garrus, I'd probably put him at 26-28.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Tali's 24.

By "may not be" I actually meant "is not," just to clarify. I know Tali's age, though some here might not.

26-28 sounds about right for Garrus, if a bit young.

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

Tali's 24.

By "may not be" I actually meant "is not," just to clarify. I know Tali's age, though some here might not.

How do you know I'm not just saying it for the peeps who don't know? =p

26-28 sounds about right for Garrus, if a bit young.

Garrus' writer IIRC said they were going for the young, action-orientated officer who wanted to change up the system. They also said he was under 30.

edit: late...many typoes.

Modifié par Collider, 05 mai 2010 - 09:35 .

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

Tali's 24.

By "may not be" I actually meant "is not," just to clarify. I know Tali's age, though some here might not.

How do you know I'm not just saying it for the peeps who don't know? =p

I thought you might be. Your post just came very shortly after mine is all.

And now I must be off. Sleepy time.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Nivenus wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Garrus is the best and deserves endless treads free of trolls (they should be calibrated).
I wonder how old Garrus is... There arent any real clues about that as far as I know. He looks and sounds like most other Turians so that is not of much help.
I think he is rather young, probably around the same age as Tali.
He idolises Shepard who also is something of a mentor to him. That very rarely happens with people of your own age or younger. Especialy as Garrus himself is a extaordinary individual too.
His personality is also a rather typical young idealist and rebel.

Tali may not be as young as some people claim (some really absolutely honestly think she's a teenager), but I think Garrus is probably a bit older at least. He seems to already be pretty experienced by the time he meets Shepard - what with serving in the turian military and C-Sec long enough to become something of a Dirty Harry in the force. Late mid 20s is where I'd peg him at in ME1, late 20s for ME2. Assuming, of course, that turian years are equivalent to human years (which I think they are - krogan, asari, and salarians seem to be the exception).

Bout the same age as Shepard in other words.

I agree with that, he must be heading to 30 in ME2 - taking into account that he'd have to serve in the military for a number of years (from 15?) and then work C-Sec for a few...then 2 years off the grid?
He was quite immature and idealistic in ME1 but I have no idea how quickly Turians develop emotionally, perhaps they are just like that in their 20s?  He seemed naive.  ME2 he had a huge amount of life experience thrown at him and he had matured accordingly - great character development

[Kim Shepard]

I didn't think I knew Tali's age, but 24 sounds familiar... xD I guessed well with early-mid 20's. Was she 24 in the first or second game?

[Re_spawNZ7]

Dog is staring at me...must be time for a walk...night all =)

[lovgreno]

Many characters in ME was very experienced even in their teens, most versions of Shepard for example. These are far from ordinary humans, asari, turians etc. So I think Garrus could already have been something of a veteran around 20.



So yes, mid to late twenties seems like a good age for Garrus.

[the Neonpeony]

I'd give it a toss, he's probably 30.

Old enough to reach a mid life crisis, young enough to feel for a real change in his life and adventure to spur him away from the c-sec rubbish.



(garrus reminds me of my rl squeeze though >.<.. sniper during military conscription, often "calibrates" things at his macbook, direction is important for him.. and er, yes, thats about it. hur hur)

[janeym27]

Wow - once again this thread exploded after I departed. And I missed the dreaded 666! (probably for the best. Evil, and whatnot)

(The volcano has cancelled my flight. Apparently the ash ruins the callibrations of the engines or somesuch. Garrus needs to be here to fix it!)

As to Garrus being a 'bad leader', I'm very pro subjective interprations of this game, but I honestly can't find justification for that. His dossier proclaims him a man of tactical brilliance, he got a team together and ran them well for months, he kicks behind in the SM (and is the only choice where there really isn't disgruntlement from someone), and his team died in a surprise attack on their home (secret?) base after a coward betrayed them. The fact that he had to be lured away for the attack to happen implies that the feeling was, had he been there, they'd have had a better shot at not dying (if you want to 'blame' someone's leadership for their deaths, you could blame his XO, which he must have had). Anyway, we all know this, so sorry for re-itteration. XD

@Brass_buckles. Interesting point about the turian relationships. I've often wondered about this though, because of all the main races (except perhaps Batarians and Vorcha) they are the one we see displaying the least amount of sentiment. We hear Asari and humans proclaiming their love for the mates all the time, the krogan poet is clearly a romantic, we see Salarians have passionate concern for their family members, etc... but despite the number of Turians we meet, most of them are doing the hardassed thing. Even the FlirtyMcFlirterson with the quarien isn't mushy about it. I wonder if, given their practice of using sex as a stress release (which I know humans do as well) they are better at seperating the sexual from the emotional than humans are, and so a romantic relationship is actually about emotional intimacy over physical. I'm not saying the two aren't connected, just that we sometimes have a tendency to view sex as the ultimate expression of romantic feelings. Maybe for turians, the ultimate expression of that is about being emotionally open with another (as Sseptimus was with Shiara). This may be why Garrus focuses so hard on the how-tos of the sex itself: he is afraid to deal with his emotional feelings for Shepard.

Dammit, BW! Give us more Turian culture!!!!

I wonder if, like AI roulette, the Mass Effect games also have combat roulette. I have never found the Benezia battle to be all that hard (mind you, I tend to get annoyed with Liara, so I seldom take her). The geth collossus on Virmire, on the other hand... So. Many. Reloads. Also tryint to save the colonists on Freedom's Progress. For some reason, doing that bit without killing some took me many, many attempts. I'm seeing similar things in discussions people are having about ME2 as well: some people find this bit impossible, others are like 'no way, that's easy, much easier than this bit'. I know differing play style also factors into this, but it's still interesting. I know my AI does not function remotly the way other people's do (for example, I hear Zaeed proclaimed a god in combat. I've never had him live long enough for me to find out because HE ALWAYS BLOODY DIES! Where as Thane, oft proclaimed 'squishy' on these here boards, is like some kind of immortal killing machine. Go fig.) I'd be interested to know if there really are differences in how the AI performs from copy to copy (this would also include enemy AI).
Thresher maws were once the bain of my existence until I discovered the secret (I went maw hunting while trying to clock XP for level 60, so I'm an expert at killing them now. ) Basically, keep the mako gun pointing at the maw, stay stationary, keep firing, and use the biisters to 'jump' over the acid spit. You may take a tiny bit of splash damage, but nothing major. When it moves, reposition and repeat. (if going for XP, take Liara with you and when it is down to minimal health, exit the mako, get her to cast a staus field on it, and balst it to kingdom come!) I think Flammie the wise and wonderful chicken already mentioned the jump and blast technique.

Ah, that went a bit OT. After fighting Thresher Maws, make sure Garrus gives the Mako a good once over to repair any damamge. Ensure he gets down and checks the underside as well,because that's where the splash damage is most likly to have hit. You may need to watch him do this yourself, just to be sure...

Watching Galaxy Quest last night made me lol at the thought of Garrus as happy alien techie #2. (who, funnily enough, was doing battle with a crested alien called 'Serris'...coincidence?). The man learned to calibrate from Tony Shaloub, which is clearly why he is so OCD with it now! 

Oh, also BW, please give us Garrus' actual age in ME3. We have Shepard's. It's only fair. (that way, we can celebrate his birthday!)

[the Neonpeony]

janeym27 wrote...

Even the FlirtyMcFlirterson with the quarien isn't mushy about it. I wonder if, given their practice of using sex as a stress release (which I know humans do as well) they are better at seperating the sexual from the emotional than humans are, and so a romantic relationship is actually about emotional intimacy over physical. I'm not saying the two aren't connected, just that we sometimes have a tendency to view sex as the ultimate expression of romantic feelings. Maybe for turians, the ultimate expression of that is about being emotionally open with another (as Sseptimus was with Shiara). This may be why Garrus focuses so hard on the how-tos of the sex itself: he is afraid to deal with his emotional feelings for Shepard.

Dammit, BW! Give us more Turian culture!!!!

Turian culture is heavily inspired from the culture of the Roman Empire and Sparta... now that explains the casual, platonic exchange of company for sex or vice versa between turians

[janeym27]

the Neonpeony wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Even the FlirtyMcFlirterson with the quarien isn't mushy about it. I wonder if, given their practice of using sex as a stress release (which I know humans do as well) they are better at seperating the sexual from the emotional than humans are, and so a romantic relationship is actually about emotional intimacy over physical. I'm not saying the two aren't connected, just that we sometimes have a tendency to view sex as the ultimate expression of romantic feelings. Maybe for turians, the ultimate expression of that is about being emotionally open with another (as Sseptimus was with Shiara). This may be why Garrus focuses so hard on the how-tos of the sex itself: he is afraid to deal with his emotional feelings for Shepard.

Dammit, BW! Give us more Turian culture!!!!

Turian culture is heavily inspired from the culture of the Roman Empire and Sparta... now that explains the casual, platonic exchange of company for sex or vice versa between turians

Oh, I know that. I wasn't looking for an explanation as to the casual attitude towards sex, simply trying to dissect possible implications of a romantic relationship within Turian culture, seeing as we are given very litte ingame evidience for such, and based on Brass_buckles 'friendship first' theory. Throughout the Garrus romance, he is very focued on exactly how to actually make the sex work (which, considering they both claim it will be a stress release, is actually causing him a lot of stress. Bless 'im), but the actual cumulation of the romance in the cutscene is presented as Garrus attempting to honestly voice his feelings to Shepard, which isn't something we see him do much of unless the emotion is anger. It's interesting. I'd like to think that rather than simply being a choice made by BW as a way of sidestepping the business of 'alien sex' (Dah dah DHA!), it was also a revealing moment of character intimacy. Looking at the awkward dialogue stilled to silence by Shepard's headbump as being an incredibly important intimacy event fr him, instead of 'Aall we got was this lousey headbump'. Just thnking, is all.

The whole "Turian culture is based on the roman empire" thing is a nice starting point for discussing cultural differences, but it doens't go nearly far enough. (Roman culture and Spartan culture = not the same though, and the social
anthroplogy which exists on both cultures contains speculative
assertions as well). We have some codex info, and the rest we have to speculate on given the way the characters act. 'Roman culture' itself, in terms of social anthropology, is a subject area of specualtion based on artifactual evidence. Ditto ancient greek culture. Artifactual evidence is, IMO, somewhat lacking when it comes to discerning emotional tendancies of a culture. This is one of the great enigmas of human history - how far can an artifact or piece of text really tell you the whole story. (sorry, I work in a museum with a handling collection, so this stuff facsinates me )

[Re_spawNZ7]

Ahhhh...just did the SM and Jack STILL dies...she hates me! I tried taking her to the Reaper (first and second choice) and she is still dead at the end. Send her to the ship...death. Keep her on the line...death. What have I done wrong?? Is it because she is not loyal? Can't lose a crew member...just can't...

Is there anyway to avoid or am I doomed and should just import and do again. I don't know why this is bothering me, but it is.

[janeym27]

Rebe70 wrote...

Ahhhh...just did the SM and Jack STILL dies...she hates me! I tried taking her to the Reaper (first and second choice) and she is still dead at the end. Send her to the ship...death. Keep her on the line...death. What have I done wrong?? Is it because she is not loyal? Can't lose a crew member...just can't...
Is there anyway to avoid or am I doomed and should just import and do again. I don't know why this is bothering me, but it is.

If she is disloyal, her odds of living become tiny. Taking disloyal crewmembers into the final fight always ends in their death, as does sending them with crew or giving them team leader role. Making them biotic ends in other member desths. It's all very sad.

Your best (slim) hope is to leave her holding the line along with Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus. Send Mordin back with the crew, and take Tali and Miri or Samara into the final fight with you (best squishy/non squishy ratio for HTL).

Did you lose her loyalty over Miranda? If you side with Jack in that fight, you can (I've heard) talk Miri around later, thus retaining both loyalties.

So, try leaving her under Garrus' watchful eye. Good luck! 

[Re_spawNZ7]

janeym27 wrote...

Oh, I know that. I wasn't looking for an explanation as to the casual attitude towards sex, simply trying to dissect possible implications of a romantic relationship within Turian culture, seeing as we are given very litte ingame evidience for such, and based on Brass_buckles 'friendship first' theory. Throughout the Garrus romance, he is very focued on exactly how to actually make the sex work (which, considering they both claim it will be a stress release, is actually causing him a lot of stress. Bless 'im), but the actual cumulation of the romance in the cutscene is presented as Garrus attempting to honestly voice his feelings to Shepard, which isn't something we see him do much of unless the emotion is anger. It's interesting. I'd like to think that rather than simply being a choice made by BW as a way of sidestepping the business of 'alien sex' (Dah dah DHA!), it was also a revealing moment of character intimacy. Looking at the awkward dialogue stilled to silence by Shepard's headbump as being an incredibly important intimacy event fr him, instead of 'Aall we got was this lousey headbump'. Just thnking, is all.

The whole "Turian culture is based on the roman empire" thing is a nice starting point for discussing cultural differences, but it doens't go nearly far enough. (Roman culture and Spartan culture = not the same though, and the social
anthroplogy which exists on both cultures contains speculative
assertions as well). We have some codex info, and the rest we have to speculate on given the way the characters act. 'Roman culture' itself, in terms of social anthropology, is a subject area of specualtion based on artifactual evidence. Ditto ancient greek culture. Artifactual evidence is, IMO, somewhat lacking when it comes to discerning emotional tendancies of a culture. This is one of the great enigmas of human history - how far can an artifact or piece of text really tell you the whole story. (sorry, I work in a museum with a handling collection, so this stuff facsinates me )

Speculate away Janey...I find that  facsinating as well! I agree with your insight into Turian attitudes to sex. It is very plausible that sex is just that (my take on the whole stress relief on Turian ships speech) but emotional connection is entirely different...and then when you get the two combined, well that causes you to buy the best wine you can on a vigilante's salary

[Re_spawNZ7]

janeym27 wrote...


Your best (slim) hope is to leave her holding the line along with Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus. Send Mordin back with the crew, and take Tali and Miri or Samara into the final fight with you (best squishy/non squishy ratio for HTL).

Did you lose her loyalty over Miranda? If you side with Jack in that fight, you can (I've heard) talk Miri around later, thus retaining both loyalties.

So, try leaving her under Garrus' watchful eye. Good luck! 

Thanks again janey!  Will try (once more) the hold the line with as litle squishy as possible...otherwise I'll try convincing Miri...I've maxed out Para so hopefully that will help:innocent:  If not you will hear the sobbing from there.
I wonder how Garrus would settle a fight between those two. Somehow I see him shaking his head slowly and walking away when they refuse to see reason    I think he would be a little out of his comfort zone in the middle of a girl fight.