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[Tareos]

brotag wrote...

How did you get it anyway, trigger his romance then break up with him?

You lock his romance before talking to Garrus after his loyalty mission. And then you talk to Garrus on reach and flexibility, in which Garrus says he doesn't want to ruin relationship between crewmates. Then you go up to Jacob and break his relationship, and he asks why, and you say something about Garrus.

[Soltana]

Tareos wrote...

Well, I don't have a clip, but rather a screenshot. and Jacob's face is just...lawl constipated.

LOL Oh lawd. His MOUTH!

[Cerrydd]

Alright, I promised Mariquis to upload some soundfiles indicating that BW thought about implementing same sex relations in ME2. Click here to download. It includes femShep talking about Tali, Jack and Miranda and manShep about not screwing Garrus during Mordin's sex ed lesson, and femShep/Jack renegade scene.

Garrus

[Collider]

Lol "I am not screwing Garrus"
But...I don't understand why he says that? Is FemShep able to say that when she talks to Mordin about Garrus?

Modifié par Collider, 05 mai 2010 - 07:11 .

[silentstephi]

RPGmom28 wrote...

What does Garrus say if you break up with him? I can't bring myself to do it =(

I have no idea.
Because I've never done it.
Never will.
I CAN'T DUMP HIM ARE YOU CRAZY!

[irene9876]

the Neonpeony wrote...

you know, whenever i see the scene where Archangel is revealed to be Garrus...

this song comes to mind:

,

for someone who tells mercs to beat it.. with one sniper slug at a time.

For me it's this song:



I know, I know...it's the Daredevil movie's themesong.....
(it still fits I think)

[Nilfalasiel]

Hiya, new Garrus groupie here! I've only recently started ME2, and I just wanted to throw a few Garrus-related thoughts out there. So apologies in advance for the wall-o'-text.

First of all, kudos to the developers on Garrus' evolution. While he was already my favourite in ME1, it was more due to his potential, rather than his actual role in the game. Because, let's face it, it's not exactly impressive (heh-heh). In ME2, the moment my FemShep walked into his introductory scene, it felt like Christmas come early. Heck, I almost picked "Garrus, is that you?", because that initial swagger of his, when he takes off his helmet, was already miles away from his ME1 self. He really did pull that proverbial pole out of his ass, had a transfusion of wit, and his newfound enthusiasm in battle had me both surprised and grinning ("scoped and dropped!"). The way he clears his throat before saying "it's just Garrus to you"? That *definitely* sounded flirty. The way Shep ran to him after he got shot? How happy she was when he walked into the comm room?

But the fact that his awesomeness came with so much baggage only added to the experience. He was already giving off a slightly chilling vibe during the recruitment mission that made me think "wait...something's not right", but when talking to him afterwards, that became a distinct "uh oh". The guy invested so much into Shepard in ME1, emotionally and morally, only to have it brutally taken away, and her achievements all but voided. Add to that the fact that, no matter how hard he tried, stuff still blew up in his face (both metaphorically and literally), and I really felt for him. On the one hand, he was more relaxed, possibly because he realized how little the formalities he'd been trying to uphold mattered. But on the other hand, there was this ticking bomb of anger, frustration and hurt underneath that just couldn't be ignored.

Then the loyalty mission rolled around. That was just bordering on the disturbing. I wasn't planning on shooting Sidonis, both from what I'd heard about the mission and from my FemShep's own logic (since she stopped Garrus from shooting Saleon in ME1), but Garrus' behaviour just confirmed it. He was irritated (at Shepard!), impatient, driven. The confrontation with Harkin actually made me wince: yes, he was a scumbag, but Garrus was enjoying that beat-up. But the culmination of that scene was the Paragon interrupt: Garrus shoved Shepard's arm away. That's the closest he's ever come to being violent to her, and it was actually frightening. I can only imagine how she felt standing there, protecting Sidonis with her own head: could she possibly have had the wild thought that, maybe Garrus was so far gone that he could pull the trigger even with her in the way? I honestly don't understand how letting him take the shot could've been considered as a good idea, especially after hearing what Sidonis says. While Garrus could've been justified for taking out Saleon (who had no outside pressure for his experiments and never repented for them), taking *this* shot would've made him no better than Sidonis. Probably even worse. But that's just my opinion.

One more thing about the loyalty mission. I may be going out on a limb, but how much of it is iconoclasm on Garrus' part? He tried to model his actions on Shep's. But then, not only did she die (kind of like the Universe's way of saying "F U and your methods"), but her warnings gradually got swept under the carpet, and he failed to achieve anything similar. Through no fault of his own, but he still did. I'm not saying he outright rejects her methods, but his attitude during the loyalty mission seemed a bit like an attempt at misguided self-assertion; rejecting his role model just for the sake of it. He knew Shepard was right to restrain him, but his anger and his disappointment at not having been able to live up to his own expectations (and, by proxy, hers) made him lash out. Which kinda puts him in a delicate position by the end of the mission (at least, when resolved through the Paragon route): once again, Shepard has proven that she's right and he's wrong. This is oversimplifying, but to someone who is angry, confused and feels like he's failed, that has to factor in somehow, even if subconsciously.
I've only just started the romance, so I don't know if Sidonis is ever brought up in conversation again, but I suspect he isn't. Which is a bit abrupt. Segueing from almost blowing a guy's brains out with extreme premeditation to talking about hanky-panky was a bit odd. Then again, it might be best not to poke that particular wound: it's good enough that he managed to not go over the edge. Moreover, it's a perfect transition from the potential danger of an "I'm wrong, she's right, and I'm a failure" outlook: Shepard is no longer on an unattainable pedestal, she expresses interest in him, which, even if it's only sexual at first, must still be a ginormous boost to his ego. 

I was wholly expecting the romance to be worth the wait, but it has now officially spoiled every other male LI for me...after the very first convo! I don't even think I'll be able to complete a "faithful to Kaidan" playthrough, especially after seeing the infamous Horizon scene (it was bad even with a non-romanced Kaidan)...To anybody who has any doubts whether Garrus is agreeing to the "tiebreaker" because he genuinely wants to or because he's trying to please Shep, just listen to him. He barely hesitates, beyond the initial surprise. That itself is probably due to the fact that Shep hasn't expressed any physical interest in him before and even called him ugly (even if she was joking). But then "why the hell not?" and that half-purring "yeah, definitely"? He likes the idea, make no mistake.

Of course, it seems like it's just for the sex at first, just like with any of FemShep's romances (I've yet to try MaleShep); I mean, she hits that like a ton of bricks. There is nothing romantic about her come-on, even if I'm sure it'll evolve over time. That's also most likely why Garrus isn't worried at that point: it's still territory that he recognizes, considering his anecdote about the recon scout. I agree with the people who have been saying that sex for turians might be more matter-of-fact; I also think that Garrus has had other brief encounters before. So it makes sense that, if Shepard proposes it casually, Garrus would perceive it that way too and feel initially quite comfortable about it...before he realizes that that's not all there is to it. That's when the nervousness kicks in. I've yet to see the rest for myself, especially the "non-human fetish" issue. 
 
By comparison, my FemShep had inadvertently put the moves on Jacob earlier on; I didn't expect her to flirt, since his loyalty mission hadn't unlocked yet, and she just turned on the sleaze. Needless to say, I immediately reloaded and vowed never to speak to Jacob again unless necessary (loyalty mission). I don't find him attractive: his lips seem over-animated and perhaps it's his poses, perhaps it's his skin-tight uniform, but the focus it puts on his crotch just makes me uncomfortable. That, and his attitude just screams "booty callz onry kthxbai".

As for Thane, I landed on his romance-initiating convo right after I walked out of Garrus' one. Again, I didn't expect it to happen before his loyalty mission, but it was definitely the "Just friends?" one. I didn't pick it, of course, but the idea felt wrong. Trying for a meaningful relationship (as opposed to BootyCall!Jacob) with a stranger after only 2 convos? Awkward. Garrus has even fewer convos, but he has the advantage of having history with Shep. I was planning to do a separate playthrough to romance Thane, but now that I've seen both Garrus and him, I don't think I can. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great character. But he sounds like he smokes about 2 packets of cigarettes a day (not surprising, I guess), has also got a conspicuous codpiece (even if it's not as "aggressive" as Jacob's), his eyes creep me out...and let's not talk about those flashbacks. It's bad enough that Shep's come-on line is available after a flashback about his dead wife, those things seem like they can happen at any time...if you catch my drift. That and, as I've seen someone say in the previous Garrus thread, I just couldn't bring myself to do this to a dying man. He seems to have come to terms with his death; after his loyalty mission, he'll also have closure about his son. And to butt in and destabilize all that just to give him more pain before the end? I can't do it. The additional fact that bedding a crying man would just feel wrong is a small detail compared to all this.

Whew...giant wall-o'-text is giant  

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 05 mai 2010 - 07:16 .

[Flammie]

Edit: Wow... that was quite impressive. Don't worry, I'll try to work through it.

I don't know if the "I suppose you have a history. That's usually enough" is him calming down or him making a scathing comment. But otherwise it helps to get an idea of what he's like. And he does look quite angry there.

I wouldn't break up with Garrus, but it doesn't make you feel good even when you watch the vids...

Modifié par Flammie, 05 mai 2010 - 07:17 .

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

Lol "I am not screwing Garrus"
But...I don't understand why he says that? Is FemShep able to say that when she talks to Mordin about Garrus?

Ehm, I don't think so. She says something like "I believe you've been misinformed". I never chose that option

[Collider]

In short, Nilfalasiel, Garrus is awesome. =p

[Kim Shepard]

@Rebe70: If you still have a save before the suicide mission (I think most of us have a save right before the Garrus romance scene, right? xD), you should reload and try to talk some sense into Jack. Having a full Paragon bar could work. I wasn't able to use the Paragon/Renegade dialogue during the fight or talk sense into Miranda afterwards, but it probably had something to do with waiting too long in between her loyalty mission and Jack's - I did about four other loyalty missions between them.

If that doesn't work... I don't have any better suggestions than everyone else here. Don't choose Jack for anything (biotic barrier, escort, or human Reaper fight). Leave her holding the line with Grunt and Zaeed, and Garrus too if you don't want to take him with you (or if Jack's survival matters more than that). Good luck!

That screenshot of Jacob's face... it's hilarious. xD Is there a youtube video of the "cuttlebone" comment? I've never heard the whole thing.

As for songs that fit the characters, my Shepards and their crew are slowly getting a soundtrack. It's amazing how many songs I've listened to for a long time, and now they suddenly just seem right for the ME crew. (And others that are just plain amusing. Like that Mulan song, ever since someone posted it many, many pages back.)

[Nilfalasiel]

CamoBadger wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hiya, new Garrus groupie here! I've only recently started ME2, and I just wanted to throw a few Garrus-related thoughts out there. So apologies in advance for the wall-o'-text.

-holycrapsnip-

Welcome.

Thanks. And sorry again for the huge text dump. I'll try to behave myself from now on!

[Collider]

For charm and intimidate, the easiest way for them to be available is if you do them early. The later it is, the harder it is. Sometimes it's literally impossible. Bioware messed up the system in ME2, that's for sure.

[Collider]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

CamoBadger wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hiya, new Garrus groupie here! I've only recently started ME2, and I just wanted to throw a few Garrus-related thoughts out there. So apologies in advance for the wall-o'-text.

-holycrapsnip-

Welcome.

Thanks. And sorry again for the huge text dump. I'll try to behave myself from now on!

No, we actually like lengthy posts. We've been getting plenty recently =p

[Nivenus]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

*loyalty snip*

Garrus definitely has a very ruthless edge to him that might make romancing him as a paragon difficult. However, he seems, at least in ME1, fairly easy to nudge towards less questionable methods. Of course, Sidonis and Harkin are much closer to his heart, so his greater frustration with them vs. Saleon may be related to that.

[Cerrydd]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hiya, new Garrus groupie here! I've only recently started ME2, and I just wanted to throw a few Garrus-related thoughts out there. So apologies in advance for the wall-o'-text.

Welcome! We can always use more wall o' text producers

The way he clears his throat before saying "it's just Garrus to you"? That *definitely* sounded flirty. The way Shep ran to him after he got shot? How happy she was when he walked into the comm room?

He says the exact same thing to manShep, but yeah, most of us like to see that as flirty Garrus. The way he says it is just cuuuute.

I can only imagine how she felt standing there, protecting Sidonis with her own head: could she possibly have had the wild thought that, maybe Garrus was so far gone that he could pull the trigger even with her in the way?

Interesting. Do you mean he would risk someone else's life (in this case Shepard) for taking out Sidonis? He did it once in ME1 when he's shooting that man who captured Dr. Michel, I don't know if he would do it again. In ME1 during that scene he was calm, but during the LM he's totally frustrated and angry. I don't know if he'd risk it. But I have to say, when Garrus told my Shep to let Sidonis go and my Shep turned around, I expected Garrus to shoot Sidonis anyway. I'm glad he didn't.

[Sialater]

Loyalty missions: I do Miranda's first and Jack's just before the IFF. Never had a problem Paragonning them and keeping both loyalties.



Welcome Nilfalasiel!



I completely agree with your assessment of the Garrus romance. I've done Jacob's all the way through the end and will be doing Thane's this time through before my poor Shep gets to go back to Garrus, so I'll let you know if I agree about Thane's.

[Soltana]

Nilfalasiel, you had me at "conspicuous codpiece". XD Welcome to the funhouse...or insane asylum...or alcoholics anonymous meeting. :3 Walls o' text are always encouraged!

Modifié par Soltana, 05 mai 2010 - 07:35 .

[Kim Shepard]

Collider wrote...

For charm and intimidate, the easiest way for them to be available is if you do them early. The later it is, the harder it is. Sometimes it's literally impossible. Bioware messed up the system in ME2, that's for sure.

So it's not doing the missions close together that makes it work right, it's doing them early? Would I have to do those missions right after they become available, or could I fit in a few missions before Miranda's and Jack's without any negative effects on the charm/intimidate? (My strategy guide lists the missions in order of finishing the recruitments first and loyalty missions later, but it's been wrong before.)

[Collider]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Collider wrote...

For charm and intimidate, the easiest way for them to be available is if you do them early. The later it is, the harder it is. Sometimes it's literally impossible. Bioware messed up the system in ME2, that's for sure.

So it's not doing the missions close together that makes it work right, it's doing them early? Would I have to do those missions right after they become available, or could I fit in a few missions before Miranda's and Jack's without any negative effects on the charm/intimidate? (My strategy guide lists the missions in order of finishing the recruitments first and loyalty missions later, but it's been wrong before.)

The easiest way to settle those fights without siding with one or the other person is to do Jack's and Miranda's loyal missions earliest. It also helps if you are mostly paragon or mostly renegade. The later you do them, the harder the paragon or renegade requirements are, and eventually they are impossible to do if you wait long enough if you're not paragon or renegade enough. By that I mean, you could potentially have "too much" renegade for charm and "too much" paragon for intimidate. Bioware did this stupidly.

[Flammie]

Wait, the requirements to settle the arguments aren't fixed? I didn't actually think that...

...Well, I had a full bar and then some due to imported playthrough and 100% Charm/Intimidate boost from the passive ability, so I guess I shouldn't.

Modifié par Flammie, 05 mai 2010 - 07:41 .

[Collider]

Flammie wrote...

Wait, the requirements to settle the arguments aren't fixed? Woah...

No they aren't. The longer you wait the harder the requirements are. For example in one playthrough I went to the Citadel early and was able to intimidate the reporter. In the second one I went to the Citadel later and intimidate was greyed out.

Modifié par Collider, 05 mai 2010 - 07:41 .

[Kim Shepard]

Collider wrote...

The easiest way to settle those fights without siding with one or the other person is to do Jack's and Miranda's loyal missions earliest. It also helps if you are mostly paragon or mostly renegade. The later you do them, the harder the paragon or renegade requirements are, and eventually they are impossible to do if you wait long enough if you're not paragon or renegade enough. By that I mean, you could potentially have "too much" renegade for charm and "too much" paragon for intimidate. Bioware did this stupidly.

The problem is, my Shepards are never pure Paragon or pure Renegade. My main Shepard is Paragade, and now that I'm replaying ME1 with my MaleShep, there's a chance he'll end up with very close Paragon/Renegade scores. He's going to side with Jack because I want Miranda to lose her loyalty in that playthrough, but I'll check to see if the options are available. Thanks for the advice.

I miss the ME1 charm/intimidate system...

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hiya, new Garrus groupie here! I've only recently started ME2, and I just wanted to throw a few Garrus-related thoughts out there. So apologies in advance for the wall-o'-text.

Welcome! We can always use more wall o' text producers

The way he clears his throat before saying "it's just Garrus to you"? That *definitely* sounded flirty. The way Shep ran to him after he got shot? How happy she was when he walked into the comm room?

He says the exact same thing to manShep, but yeah, most of us like to see that as flirty Garrus. The way he says it is just cuuuute.

I can only imagine how she felt standing there, protecting Sidonis with her own head: could she possibly have had the wild thought that, maybe Garrus was so far gone that he could pull the trigger even with her in the way?

Interesting. Do you mean he would risk someone else's life (in this case Shepard) for taking out Sidonis? He did it once in ME1 when he's shooting that man who captured Dr. Michel, I don't know if he would do it again. In ME1 during that scene he was calm, but during the LM he's totally frustrated and angry. I don't know if he'd risk it. But I have to say, when Garrus told my Shep to let Sidonis go and my Shep turned around, I expected Garrus to shoot Sidonis anyway. I'm glad he didn't.

1. Thanks! (and to everyone else who said welcome!)
2. Yeah, I figured the line was the same, but it just has that little extra spark with a FemShep ^^

3. I guess it depends on how far gone you think he is. I know that he would never risk Shep's life, but anger can make you do stupid things, as witnessed by that entire LM. In fact, if we're assuming that Garrus would ever dare to risk Shep's life, it would be in a moment of extreme anger, especially if you factor in the iconoclastic approach. Unlike the scene with Dr Michel, whom he obviously doesn't have the same kind of relationship with. So yeah, while I knew he wouldn't dare shoot while Shep was in the way, and while I was fairly sure that he wouldn't shoot once he said "tell him to go", the fact that he'd gotten aggressive with Shep right before made me think about the possibility. If anyone knows that you shouldn't ****** Shep off, it's Garrus. And since he ignores that, to an extent, I can totally see Shep having a fleeting "OSHI-" thought while she/he's standing in front of Sidonis.