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[Collider]

It's too late to make Garrus bi. He had his chance in ME2, and MShep and FShep can act exactly the same, so if he didn't like MShep in that way in ME2, he shouldn't in ME3.

I do too, because it makes sense to me. Trust, respect, friendship. ManShep is exactly the same as FemShep, except that he's a man (duh). Garrus never considered inter-species intercourse, so you might as well add gay intercourse to that. Bisexual Garrus is fine for me.

I have to disagree with that because both species are sexually dimorphic. Females have the waist, etc. Males have broader shoulders. A heterosexual girl can like Garrus but that doesn't also mean she would like a female version of Garrus just because it's different species.

[kglaser]

I agree that any attempt to make him bi now would seem hopelessly tacked-on and lacking in any subtlety. BioWare has amazingly talented people, but I don't think anyone could pull it off convincingly.

[Shazzammer2]

Just keep Garrus straight. I don't understand why everyone has to be gay/homosexual.

[Briallen]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Just keep Garrus straight. I don't understand why everyone has to be gay/homosexual.

Quoted for truth.

[Lemonwizard]

Cerrydd wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

I still support giving maleshep the option to be gay for Garrus.

I do too, because it makes sense to me. Trust, respect, friendship. ManShep is exactly the same as FemShep, except that he's a man (duh). Garrus never considered inter-species intercourse, so you might as well add gay intercourse to that. Bisexual Garrus is fine for me.

But it also has a downside. A lot of ME men consider Garrus as their bro, which is awesome. Now, I'm not a man, but I know what some men can be like, and I'm sure those men will freak out when Garrus starts hitting on their Shep. Because, EW MAN ON MAN EWWW, Garrus is flirting with MY SHEP! I'm afraid people won't see him as a badass vigilante anymore when Garrus turns out to be ******/bisexual.

So I'm not sure if I really want bi Garrus in ME3. But whatever happens, I just hope BW will write decent bromance conversations, because 3 conversations with Garrus as a manShep IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH! >

Haha, I was actually just joking arond.


Aside from the fact that I have a man crush on Garrus, I could never condone blatantly tacked on character derailment for the sake of fanservice.


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*remembers Tali*


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.....Well, not unless the writing team really, really pulled one out.

[Shazzammer2]

lol I saw that coming a mile away. I'm surprised by anyone who didn't think Tali would be an LI. I doubt the fanservice part.

Modifié par Shazzammer2, 08 mai 2010 - 05:34 .

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

It's too late to make Garrus bi. He had his chance in ME2, and MShep and FShep can act exactly the same, so if he didn't like MShep in that way in ME2, he shouldn't in ME3.

The only reason he didn't like manShep in ME2 is because the writers made it so. I see potential for a gay relationship in the way he jumps into blowing off steam with femShep. It's all interpretation. Same thing with Tali/Kal, I see hints there that there could be more than just friendship. Same thing with the turian/quarian in Eternity, I see the turian showing genuine interest in her, instead of just trying to get in her pants.

I have to disagree with that because both species are sexually dimorphic. Females have the waist, etc. Males have broader shoulders. A heterosexual girl can like Garrus but that doesn't also mean she would like a female version of Garrus just because it's different species.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant to say that he never considered cross-species intercourse, so that's something new to him. He might as well never considered same-sex intercourse, so that's also new to him. I think Garrus isn't physically attracted to femShep (at first), so what's underneath the clothes is not an issue. The reason he wants to do this is because he respects Shepard. That's why I think same sex relation with Garrus could work.

But I have to agree with you that it's 'too late' now. The first two games already created a cannon in everybody's head about the squad members, it would make no sense if Garrus (or Tali or whoever) suddenly swings the other way too. I don't want everybody to suddenly turn gay/bi, I'm just saying I saw the potential of a gay relationship with Garrus. As much as I support same sex relations in ME, I think BW should leave them out of ME3. The only way to make a believable gay LI is to add new romances, and I'd rather have them flesh out the romances we already have.

[kglaser]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Haha, I was actually just joking arond.


Aside from the fact that I have a man crush on Garrus, I could never condone blatantly tacked on character derailment for the sake of fanservice.


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*remembers Tali*


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.....Well, not unless the writing team really, really pulled one out.

Please writing team...don't go there.  Spend the precious time on more dialogue and conversations/random comments between squadmates, please.  I really love this about ME1 where you can walk 30 feet more in the Presidium and hear two different comments from your two companions, then go to another level and hear two others...etc.  It's sorely lacking in ME2 IMHO.

[Collider]

The difference is, lemonwizard, that neither Garrus nor Tali were LIs in ME1. But Garrus was in ME2 - to make him BI in ME3 when his romance didn't include males isn't the same thing.

[Cerrydd]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

lol I saw that coming a mile away. I'm surprised by anyone who didn't think Tali would be an LI. I doubt the fanservice part.

Well, Tali was already meant to be a LI in ME1, but they pulled her out. Bad, bad move BW . It's not fanservice, it's just continueing the original plan

[Shazzammer2]

kglaser wrote...

Please writing team...don't go there.  Spend the precious time on more dialogue and conversations/random comments between squadmates, please.  I really love this about ME1 where you can walk 30 feet more in the Presidium and hear two different comments from your two companions, then go to another level and hear two others...etc.  It's sorely lacking in ME2 IMHO.

ditto on that.

[Nilfalasiel]

kglaser wrote...

Grr, I know this isn't Garrus-related, but I have to express my frustration with how easy it is to get hit on in ME1 when you don't want to be. I feel like I want to get the stick out of Garrus's butt prematurely to hit Kaidan with it and keep him away. I was just on the Citadel with Ash and Kaidan last night and I was trying to get that comment about the tinfoil miniskirt. The conversation started fine, "this emotion called love", bla bla, then I guess I must have picked the wrong thing, because not only did I not get the miniskirt remark from Ashley, I got awkwardly hit on by Kaidan...and I was so surprised I said the wrong thing in response and now he probably thinks I like him! Arrrggh!!
Gonna replay that section ASAP anyway, just to go through the Garrus recruitment scene again, because I love it so. "Sometimes you get lucky." Indeed, Garrus...indeed you do.

Hang on...were you playing as a FemShep or MaleShep? Because Ashley will only say the tinfoil line to a MaleShep, and Kaidan will only flirt with a FemShep. The tinfoil miniskirt is Ashley's version of Kaidan's flirting, basically. And I don't think it has an impact on "romance scores", since it doesn't take place on the Normandy.

As for making Garrus bi...it's a little late for that, as someone else has said. They've already established him as heterosexual in ME2.

[Lemonwizard]

kglaser wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Haha, I was actually just joking arond.


Aside from the fact that I have a man crush on Garrus, I could never condone blatantly tacked on character derailment for the sake of fanservice.


....

*remembers Tali*


....

.....Well, not unless the writing team really, really pulled one out.

Please writing team...don't go there.  Spend the precious time on more dialogue and conversations/random comments between squadmates, please.  I really love this about ME1 where you can walk 30 feet more in the Presidium and hear two different comments from your two companions, then go to another level and hear two others...etc.  It's sorely lacking in ME2 IMHO.

I agree that it would take alot of effort to justify and I don't really see how it could seem like anything but a flimsy tack-on, and the writing team's effort could be far better spent elsewhere.


I feel for the people who want another same sex romance option in ME3 but firmly believe it should be confined to a new squadmate rather than changing the personality of an existing one 2/3 of the way through.




That said, what I really want the writing team to do next time around is ALTERNATE DIALOGUE for the love interests. Male shepard and Garrus get like 2 conversations, it sucks. Female Shepard has Tali incessantly flirting with her and it doesn't make any sense.



Pretty much the only LI that I thought worked out fine for the gender that couldn't romance them was Thane.

[Collider]

I see Cerry, sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree that there might be potential for Garrus, but as we both agree, it's too late for that and Bioware should focus on the romance options that they have. And they have 9...yikes! That's a lot of work.

[Lemonwizard]

Cerrydd wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

lol I saw that coming a mile away. I'm surprised by anyone who didn't think Tali would be an LI. I doubt the fanservice part.

Well, Tali was already meant to be a LI in ME1, but they pulled her out. Bad, bad move BW . It's not fanservice, it's just continueing the original plan

To clarify, I don't have a problem with making Tali a love interest between ME1 and ME2, I have a problem with the way it completely absorbed her entire character.

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

I see Cerry, sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree that there might be potential for Garrus, but as we both agree, it's too late for that and Bioware should focus on the romance options that they have. And they have 9...yikes! That's a lot of work.

It's ok . I have to admit, I sometimes get a little defensive when it comes to same sex stuff... Comes with being Dutch, I guess

But yeah, BW has their hands full with wrapping up the 9 (!) LI's in ME3. And of course adding MOAR DIALOGUE. Geez, 30 hours of DA:O made me a spoiled little brat. The interaction there is sublime. I really hope BW will give us the chance to know the crew better. And the crew to get to know each other. And to get to know what the crew thinks about each other.

(and female turians)

(and Palaven)

(etc.)

[Lemonwizard]

Don't worry, we won't bite.

[Lemonwizard]

Well you should be. Garrus has razor sharp teeth and powerful mandibles. He's like a shark with a space monocle and a sniper rifle. Very deadly.

[Cerrydd]

CamoBadger wrote...

You all have those traits?

I now fear for my safety in this thread.

We only eat trolls. As you can see, trolls are rare in this thread. So our method is working.

And you're safe

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

I have to disagree with that because both species are sexually dimorphic. Females have the waist, etc. Males have broader shoulders. A heterosexual girl can like Garrus but that doesn't also mean she would like a female version of Garrus just because it's different species.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant to say that he never considered cross-species intercourse, so that's something new to him. He might as well never considered same-sex intercourse, so that's also new to him. I think Garrus isn't physically attracted to femShep (at first), so what's underneath the clothes is not an issue. The reason he wants to do this is because he respects Shepard. That's why I think same sex relation with Garrus could work.

Hmm, I don't think I agree there. If Garrus were bi, he would be, first and foremost, bi in regards to his own species. And there has been no evidence of him feeling attraction to male turians, only female. It makes sense then, that despite the species barrier, he can come to see the attraction in FemShep, who is still clearly identifiable as a female. This would not be possible with MaleShep: no matter the respect, if Garrus doesn't already swing that way with his own species, I'd find it extremely doubtful that he'd manage to get past that barrier AND the species barrier just out of respect. 

Don't get me wrong: I know that respect and trust are Garrus' main source of attraction to Shepard. But no matter how great the trust, I don't think a full-fledged relationship (ie. both emotional and sexual) can't happen if there isn't a minimal amount of physical attraction as well. For purely, uh...mechanical reasons, if you will: love and desire are two very different things. Since FemShep initiates the relationship as sexual at first (blowing off steam, no question of romantic consequences or implications), Garrus can't ignore that part. He knows that she's female, so he is able to identify characteristics in her that he would find attractive in a female of his own species (eg. the waist). In order for that to work with a MaleShep, he would have to find attractive characteristics in the males of his species, and then look for them in him. He probably grows to find attractive characteristics in FemShep that don't exist in his own species, but in order for that to happen, he has to start from a basis he's familiar with, no matter how small it is. And if he's not attracted to turian males, it wouldn't be small: it would be inexistent. He might be able to develop an emotional attachment to MaleShep, but not a sexual one.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Lemonwizard]

Cerrydd wrote...

CamoBadger wrote...

You all have those traits?

I now fear for my safety in this thread.

We only eat trolls. As you can see, trolls are rare in this thread. So our method is working.

And you're safe

Well, I am usually a troll, I just only troll my own threads instead of other people's.