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[Sialater]

Yeah, you are going to need the turians and the other Council races. Perhaps what 3 can do is concentrate on gathering armies/armadas since you have your squad. The Council isn't helping, so you have to go talk each race into it personally. Samara/Liara help with the Asari. Mordin helps with the Salarians.... And then we run into Garrus' dad.

[siltsonata]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
As for meeting Garrus's dad, I had an idea a couple days ago about how that could be pulled off in a way that didn't just cater to the Garrus romance fan crowd, but now I can't really remember what it was. Clearly, at least to me, you'd need some real reason. Maybe it would be Garrus's personal quest in ME3, or maybe Mr. Vakarian is a big-shot in turian society and you need his support to get a turian army at your back. Either way, the fact that Garrus and Shepard are "together" should not be the primary purpose of meeting Garrus's dad. Garrus might, however, introduce Shepard as his mate, presuming that the whole "if you cheated" thing doesn't split your Shepard up from him. That might be fun, if only because Shepard might be a little surprised to learn that Garrus considered her such... and nevermind Garrus's father's surprise. Now, having him react a bit differently to Shep after hearing that they're together, I can understand. It might make any negotiations easier, or it might make them harder, depending.

Ah, thank you.  I feel like I'm really going to hate meeting Garrus's dad if it feels like a fanservice, and there are plenty of ways that can make it realistic. Sometimes we get so carried away in here that I feel like people are asking for a RomCom situation.  

Personal Opinion: I would rather have meeting Papa Vakarian as a quest for all Shepards, as part of a quest or whatever on Palaven.  Then there's simply additional dialogue if you romanced Garrus. 

Also I'd like to point out (hate to be the whiny pessimist, but someone's gotta do it.):  Let's remember that we've only gotten a few passing mention lines about Garrus's dad.  I feel like sometimes we blow his importance out of proportion...Bioware might not feel that Papa Vakarian is as important to Garrus's character as we do.

All right, shutting up now.

[Kim Shepard]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shiala doesn't hit on you quite as...agressively as the Consort, though. "Maybe someday, when I'm not busy with the colony, and you're not busy doing...whatever it is you do...we could...get dinner sometime?" I thought it was kinda cute.

You might be interested to know that the ad poles in the Citadel have an ad for the Dark Star club, inviting you to come for drinks, fun or a little 'companionship'...and the ad is done by a turian (for males, it's an asari). This and the 'out on the town with Officer Vakarian' ad...STOP BEING IN MY MIND, GAME.

Really? Maybe when I read about that scene, people were just overreacting or something. xD I thought it would be worse than that.

I've never seen that one before! It sounds awesome. Right after checking her mail for that message from the krogan, my Shepard is going straight to Dark Star. It's probably for the best that she didn't hear the ad before finding Garrus again.

Shepard: What? Seriously? We can do that now?! *calls the Illusive Man* I need more credits now!
Illusive Man: Complete a mission, and I'll give you some.
Shepard: But I was a millionaire before I died! What happened to all of those credits?
Illusive Man: They froze your accounts? o_o; What do you need it for, anyway?
Shepard: ...drinks, fun, and a little turian companionship?
Illusive Man: Wait, you mean-- oh. O_O I'm not paying for that. >_>;
Shepard: If I complete one of my missions, you will be!

[Sialater]

siltsonata wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
As for meeting Garrus's dad, I had an idea a couple days ago about how that could be pulled off in a way that didn't just cater to the Garrus romance fan crowd, but now I can't really remember what it was. Clearly, at least to me, you'd need some real reason. Maybe it would be Garrus's personal quest in ME3, or maybe Mr. Vakarian is a big-shot in turian society and you need his support to get a turian army at your back. Either way, the fact that Garrus and Shepard are "together" should not be the primary purpose of meeting Garrus's dad. Garrus might, however, introduce Shepard as his mate, presuming that the whole "if you cheated" thing doesn't split your Shepard up from him. That might be fun, if only because Shepard might be a little surprised to learn that Garrus considered her such... and nevermind Garrus's father's surprise. Now, having him react a bit differently to Shep after hearing that they're together, I can understand. It might make any negotiations easier, or it might make them harder, depending.

Ah, thank you.  I feel like I'm really going to hate meeting Garrus's dad if it feels like a fanservice, and there are plenty of ways that can make it realistic. Sometimes we get so carried away in here that I feel like people are asking for a RomCom situation.  

Personal Opinion: I would rather have meeting Papa Vakarian as a quest for all Shepards, as part of a quest or whatever on Palaven.  Then there's simply additional dialogue if you romanced Garrus. 

Also I'd like to point out (hate to be the whiny pessimist, but someone's gotta do it.):  Let's remember that we've only gotten a few passing mention lines about Garrus's dad.  I feel like sometimes we blow his importance out of proportion...Bioware might not feel that Papa Vakarian is as important to Garrus's character as we do.

All right, shutting up now.

True, but we did meet Liara's mom.... Just saying...

The only reason I think it would remotely be a good idea to show Garrus' father is because of the human/turian tension.  As a writer, I think it would help show that tension in a microcosm sort of fashion whether you're romancing Garrus or not, he's still a close friend of Shepard's which is in and of itself highly unusual.  So, no, it shouldn't be something we get as a romance-only sort of thing, but if we have to talk the turian Hierarchy over to our side for ME3, or something, it would be a good part of that subset of actions.

[Brass_Buckles]

siltsonata wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
As for meeting Garrus's dad, I had an idea a couple days ago about how that could be pulled off in a way that didn't just cater to the Garrus romance fan crowd, but now I can't really remember what it was. Clearly, at least to me, you'd need some real reason. Maybe it would be Garrus's personal quest in ME3, or maybe Mr. Vakarian is a big-shot in turian society and you need his support to get a turian army at your back. Either way, the fact that Garrus and Shepard are "together" should not be the primary purpose of meeting Garrus's dad. Garrus might, however, introduce Shepard as his mate, presuming that the whole "if you cheated" thing doesn't split your Shepard up from him. That might be fun, if only because Shepard might be a little surprised to learn that Garrus considered her such... and nevermind Garrus's father's surprise. Now, having him react a bit differently to Shep after hearing that they're together, I can understand. It might make any negotiations easier, or it might make them harder, depending.

Ah, thank you.  I feel like I'm really going to hate meeting Garrus's dad if it feels like a fanservice, and there are plenty of ways that can make it realistic. Sometimes we get so carried away in here that I feel like people are asking for a RomCom situation.  

Personal Opinion: I would rather have meeting Papa Vakarian as a quest for all Shepards, as part of a quest or whatever on Palaven.  Then there's simply additional dialogue if you romanced Garrus. 

Also I'd like to point out (hate to be the whiny pessimist, but someone's gotta do it.):  Let's remember that we've only gotten a few passing mention lines about Garrus's dad.  I feel like sometimes we blow his importance out of proportion...Bioware might not feel that Papa Vakarian is as important to Garrus's character as we do.

All right, shutting up now.

Yeah, I'm in the same shoes.  I adore the Garrus/Femshep romance, yes, because it's cute, but it's not the be-all and end-all of the game.  If Dad-Vakarian has to show up, then let it make some kind of sense.  Like he's got his mouth to the ear of someone who can set Shepard up with a turian army.  Some slight dialogue differences could happen if your fem-Shep is romancing Garrus.

The very reason that I don't much like Thane for a romance option is that seems to be the primary purpose for his existence in-game.  Well, that and he's super-emo.  I like him just fine as a character, but as far as romances go, he's a bit too quick to fall in love.  Or lust, as the case may be.  Adding in scenarios just for the sake of romance seems just as shallow as adding in characters just for the sake of romance.  Let's have a bit more depth, shall we?

[Von Verrikan]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I'm sure once ME3 comes around, some of the scar may heal over. it just depends on how long of a time gap there is between the end of ME2 and ME3.

I still don't understand why the flesh on his face scars pink instead of blue. If Turian blood is blue, it stands to reason the scarred flesh would at least have a hint of that.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I'm sure once ME3 comes around, some of the scar may heal over. it just depends on how long of a time gap there is between the end of ME2 and ME3.

I still don't understand why the flesh on his face scars pink instead of blue. If Turian blood is blue, it stands to reason the scarred flesh would at least have a hint of that.

More like purple

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 28 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I'm sure once ME3 comes around, some of the scar may heal over. it just depends on how long of a time gap there is between the end of ME2 and ME3.

I still don't understand why the flesh on his face scars pink instead of blue. If Turian blood is blue, it stands to reason the scarred flesh would at least have a hint of that.

Yeah, I had been thinking that, myself.  It's funny 'cause even his tongue is blue.  If the blood is blue, then the flesh and muscle should be blue as well, since it's colored by the blood.  It's why people and animals have a sort of pinkish/reddish cast to their skin in real life.

[siltsonata]

Sialater wrote...

True, but we did meet Liara's mom.... Just saying...

The only reason I think it would remotely be a good idea to show Garrus' father is because of the human/turian tension.  As a writer, I think it would help show that tension in a microcosm sort of fashion whether you're romancing Garrus or not, he's still a close friend of Shepard's which is in and of itself highly unusual.  So, no, it shouldn't be something we get as a romance-only sort of thing, but if we have to talk the turian Hierarchy over to our side for ME3, or something, it would be a good part of that subset of actions.

I think there are a bunch of good reasons to meet Papa Vakarian, and 99% of them have to do Garrus's overall character and with the story as a whole, not just LI thing.  I'm just saying that it's technically possible Bioware wouldn't see that. (YOU BLIND FOOLS)


Besides, Romance-only content that is far and above the usual mostly just ends up making me mad.  All the things I missed out on Jack saying because I didn't romance her in particular.  Yes, I realize that she's a pretty closed off person and she probably wouldn't just go out telling her life story to any random person, but Shepard has shown that she's trustworthy, hasn't she?  I hate that Jack's story seems choked off and incomplete if you didn't romance her.

Imagine that if meeting Garrus's dad were a LI specific thing.  That would make all the EPIC BROMANCE people pretty mad (Because I fully support the GarrusShepBromance. 110%.) that they missed out on Garrus content just because they play a Manshep or didn't chose to romance him.

(Yes, that really was two paragraphs basically agreeing with what you said, if it needs clarification.  I have problems with expressing myself in a way that people can understand. Sorry.)

[Brass_Buckles]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

That's a good question about the scar color too. I was actually thinking about that earlier, esp. the whole blue blood thing.

Well, if anything else, at least I've got a good guide for coloring Garrus' skin plating in a picture I'm working on. It's so difficult to keep Garrus colored consistently, because his face (the only bit of "skin" we ever see on him) is either a lightish tan or a grey-blue tone. So frustrating.

I think it's a light tan, because his neck is a tan color.  And if you can see it on the inside of his collar, his carapace is a very dark brown color.  It also has a hole blasted through it along with said armor.  Makes me wonder if he keeps the busted armor because it can't be removed/is basically welded on.

[Brass_Buckles]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

That's a good question about the scar color too. I was actually thinking about that earlier, esp. the whole blue blood thing.

Well, if anything else, at least I've got a good guide for coloring Garrus' skin plating in a picture I'm working on. It's so difficult to keep Garrus colored consistently, because his face (the only bit of "skin" we ever see on him) is either a lightish tan or a grey-blue tone. So frustrating.

I think it's a light tan, because his neck is a tan color.  And if you can see it on the inside of his collar, his carapace is a very dark brown color.  It also has a hole blasted through it along with said armor.  Makes me wonder if he keeps the busted armor because it can't be removed/is basically welded on.

Welded on as in... he can't remove it at all? How would he be able to change into his civilian clothes, then?

Then again, I'm probably misunderstanding the answer. In that case, never mind. ^^;

That's true, I didn't remember that.  'Cause if you romance him, he does switch to clothes instead of armor.

Incidentally, how on earth would turians get dressed?  I mean, they have those huge carapaces, so they can't just pull their shirts on over their heads.  Then there are the spurs, so just stepping into their pants would be a problem...

[Splinter Cell 108]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

That's a good question about the scar color too. I was actually thinking about that earlier, esp. the whole blue blood thing.

Well, if anything else, at least I've got a good guide for coloring Garrus' skin plating in a picture I'm working on. It's so difficult to keep Garrus colored consistently, because his face (the only bit of "skin" we ever see on him) is either a lightish tan or a grey-blue tone. So frustrating.

I think it's a light tan, because his neck is a tan color.  And if you can see it on the inside of his collar, his carapace is a very dark brown color.  It also has a hole blasted through it along with said armor.  Makes me wonder if he keeps the busted armor because it can't be removed/is basically welded on.

Welded on as in... he can't remove it at all? How would he be able to change into his civilian clothes, then?

Then again, I'm probably misunderstanding the answer. In that case, never mind. ^^;

That's true, I didn't remember that.  'Cause if you romance him, he does switch to clothes instead of armor.

Incidentally, how on earth would turians get dressed?  I mean, they have those huge carapaces, so they can't just pull their shirts on over their heads.  Then there are the spurs, so just stepping into their pants would be a problem...

One more Turian mystery. I wonder why they never show any skin aside from their faces. My theory is that they're always fully clothed because of the danger they could be to others. The Codex does say that the things on their legs and that their arms seem capable of ripping through flesh. If they accidentally bump into someone maybe they could cut him and so they are fully clothed to avoid that. I hope it's for another reason. I want to see what is it that their arms, legs and chests look like.

[Brass_Buckles]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

That's a good question about the scar color too. I was actually thinking about that earlier, esp. the whole blue blood thing.

Well, if anything else, at least I've got a good guide for coloring Garrus' skin plating in a picture I'm working on. It's so difficult to keep Garrus colored consistently, because his face (the only bit of "skin" we ever see on him) is either a lightish tan or a grey-blue tone. So frustrating.

I think it's a light tan, because his neck is a tan color.  And if you can see it on the inside of his collar, his carapace is a very dark brown color.  It also has a hole blasted through it along with said armor.  Makes me wonder if he keeps the busted armor because it can't be removed/is basically welded on.

Welded on as in... he can't remove it at all? How would he be able to change into his civilian clothes, then?

Then again, I'm probably misunderstanding the answer. In that case, never mind. ^^;

That's true, I didn't remember that.  'Cause if you romance him, he does switch to clothes instead of armor.

Incidentally, how on earth would turians get dressed?  I mean, they have those huge carapaces, so they can't just pull their shirts on over their heads.  Then there are the spurs, so just stepping into their pants would be a problem...

One more Turian mystery. I wonder why they never show any skin aside from their faces. My theory is that they're always fully clothed because of the danger they could be to others. The Codex does say that the things on their legs and that their arms seem capable of ripping through flesh. If they accidentally bump into someone maybe they could cut him and so they are fully clothed to avoid that. I hope it's for another reason. I want to see what is it that their arms, legs and chests look like.

Considering you can romance Garrus, and he'd probably have to get naked to do so, I have my doubts it's because he might accidentally cut someone if he bumped into them.  Because, you know, there's probably a lot of bumping going on in the captain's quarters when FemShep romances him.

Just sayin'.

[KhemoZarDaz]

^ I've often wondered the exact same thing.... they'd need something along the lines of button up pants that they could just rip off haha, otherwise it seems like getting dressed would be a hugely complicated ordeal...... who knows?

[Sialater]

siltsonata wrote...

Sialater wrote...

True, but we did meet Liara's mom.... Just saying...

The only reason I think it would remotely be a good idea to show Garrus' father is because of the human/turian tension.  As a writer, I think it would help show that tension in a microcosm sort of fashion whether you're romancing Garrus or not, he's still a close friend of Shepard's which is in and of itself highly unusual.  So, no, it shouldn't be something we get as a romance-only sort of thing, but if we have to talk the turian Hierarchy over to our side for ME3, or something, it would be a good part of that subset of actions.

I think there are a bunch of good reasons to meet Papa Vakarian, and 99% of them have to do Garrus's overall character and with the story as a whole, not just LI thing.  I'm just saying that it's technically possible Bioware wouldn't see that. (YOU BLIND FOOLS)


Besides, Romance-only content that is far and above the usual mostly just ends up making me mad.  All the things I missed out on Jack saying because I didn't romance her in particular.  Yes, I realize that she's a pretty closed off person and she probably wouldn't just go out telling her life story to any random person, but Shepard has shown that she's trustworthy, hasn't she?  I hate that Jack's story seems choked off and incomplete if you didn't romance her.

Imagine that if meeting Garrus's dad were a LI specific thing.  That would make all the EPIC BROMANCE people pretty mad (Because I fully support the GarrusShepBromance. 110%.) that they missed out on Garrus content just because they play a Manshep or didn't chose to romance him.

(Yes, that really was two paragraphs basically agreeing with what you said, if it needs clarification.  I have problems with expressing myself in a way that people can understand. Sorry.)

That's all right, I got it.

And I agree with your agreement .  My husband thinks Garrus rocks, too, in a bromance sort of way.  (I can't use that word though, he hates it, LOL.)  So, while he'd see it on my playthroughs, it's not the same as getting it yourself. 

And yes, the only reason I know Jack is dying is from the posts on this board.  I don't play MaleSheps so I'll never romance her or Miranda or Tali.  But whereas you can be friends/BFFs (sismance?) with Tali or Miranda, you don't get all their dialogue, even if "girls tell each other everything."  But Jack shuts you out cold.  Which is in keeping with her character, I just don't like being accused of liking chicks when I'm trying to be friendly.   (Makes me want to point out, "Do you SEE that really big turian upstairs, chica?  Yeah, more my type than YOU are. Get over yourself.  I made you put a shirt on after all.")

And also, why can't Thane want to stick around for Shep's mission/friendship even if she's not sleeping with him?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Okay folks, I don't know how many people have seen this, but...

He NEEDS the heroin.

Keener comes in at around the 1:45-7 mark. Prepare to have your minds blown.

(Also worth noting: Morinth's V/A stars in this show too)

Hes a really good actor, surprised that i haven't seen him to often in movies or tv shows

[Sialater]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Okay folks, I don't know how many people have seen this, but...

He NEEDS the heroin.

Keener comes in at around the 1:45-7 mark. Prepare to have your minds blown.

(Also worth noting: Morinth's V/A stars in this show too)

That's just eerie.  Garrus as a junkie?

[Sialater]

aynxalot wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

As for meeting Garrus's dad, I had an idea a couple days ago about how that could be pulled off in a way that didn't just cater to the Garrus romance fan crowd, but now I can't really remember what it was. Clearly, at least to me, you'd need some real reason. Maybe it would be Garrus's personal quest in ME3, or maybe Mr. Vakarian is a big-shot in turian society and you need his support to get a turian army at your back. Either way, the fact that Garrus and Shepard are "together" should not be the primary purpose of meeting Garrus's dad. Garrus might, however, introduce Shepard as his mate, presuming that the whole "if you cheated" thing doesn't split your Shepard up from him. That might be fun, if only because Shepard might be a little surprised to learn that Garrus considered her such... and nevermind Garrus's father's surprise. Now, having him react a bit differently to Shep after hearing that they're together, I can understand. It might make any negotiations easier, or it might make them harder, depending.

I agree with you- the beauty of their relationship is that whether or not Shep and Garrus are romantic, they're *tight*. Even the guys on this site typically refer to Garrus as their closest friend. So to me, Garrus' dad's beef would be with what kind of influence you have on him, not necessarily the nature of the relationship (though you'd get a couple extra lines of dialogue if you are in fact getting your Turian groove on).

I also agree on having another reason to be meeting Mr. Vakarian- Garrus doesn't seem to have the right kind of relationship with his dad to want to bring you home to meet him. In fact, I see Garrus as being rather powerfully reluctant in the situation, especially if you're romantically linked. I'm with those who think there's going to be a "Gondor calls for Aid" situation where you're getting help from various groups, races, etc. This would be the perfect opportunity to get two birds w/ one stone; those birds being storyline and gratuitous fanservice drama, of course. ;P.

The only problem I see with the gathering armies concept is it's resemblance to the DA:O storyline.  We ain't going after a dragon here.  We're going after fleets of Borg Cubes.  They'd have to tread carefully to avoid ripping off the DA:O team's ideas.  (Not that the gathering armies thing is necessarily original, Aragorn did it, after all.)

[enormousmoonboots]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
One more Turian mystery. I wonder why they never show any skin aside from their faces. My theory is that they're always fully clothed because of the danger they could be to others. The Codex does say that the things on their legs and that their arms seem capable of ripping through flesh. If they accidentally bump into someone maybe they could cut him and so they are fully clothed to avoid that. I hope it's for another reason. I want to see what is it that their arms, legs and chests look like.

If they were that sharp, they'd cut through their clothes, too.

My thoughts is that turians lose heat easily; on average they don't appear to have much fat (concept art), and Palaven is apparently a hot place, so they'd have no particular need for heat retention, evolution-wise. The galactic indoor standard temperature is cooler than what they're used to, so turians are clothed to the point of gloves at all times and are rarely seen underdressed.

Re: scarring. I thought it was strange, too, but then again humans have red blood and brown or white scarring, so blood isn't totally indicative of scar color.