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[Mariquis]

Just played through the patriarch side mission, got some action-shots of Garrus (although he seems to be using a pistol...? ) and a pretty one from Mordin's recruitment.  





In regards to DLC, so long as it's up to the same standard the Kasumi DLC was I'll be happy.  I do think the Liara DLC would be better off for a full size expansion, but if they put some TLC into it and really polish it up I'd be happy.  Just so long as its more than just an appearance pack!
 

[Collider]

Not my priority, but I do want to see the other appearance packs. I'm wondering how Mordin, Tali, and Legion will end up looking like.

[Mariquis]

Collider wrote...

Not my priority, but I do want to see the other appearance packs. I'm wondering how Mordin, Tali, and Legion will end up looking like.

Yeah, I don't mind the appearance packs (especially since they're the same cost as a coffee -- I get what I pay for) I just hope they're not making a big deal over nothing

[Lemonwizard]

I would really love more party members to get casual wear in an appearance pack.

[Lemonwizard]

Somebody made fun of my avatar. Thus, I decided I would scientifically disprove their claims. Easily dismissed, my thoughts on the subject inspired me to make a picture about it!

[Kim Shepard]

I'm almost finished with Feros in my ME1 playthrough, and I've noticed a few things. After playing through some scenes a few different times, I was surprised how many of the top/middle/bottom right dialogue choices are actually the same when Shepard says them. o_o; My Shepard doesn't seem to be getting as many Renegade points as I thought he would either. His got Paragon points pretty fast for helping the colonists (and not killing them), but hardly any Renegade points for killing Shiala.

Anyway, it would be nice if the Liara/Shadow Broker mission would come out as an expansion pack so I could play it. xD If they come out with awesome turian-based DLC, I'm sure there will be enough screenshots and youtube videos posted here for me to figure out what happened.

[Lemonwizard]

I think some situations the opportunity for alignment points is more for one side than the other. Feros isn't unique in this regard.





Like say, the pickpocket sidequest on the Citadel in ME2. Pretty sure you can get 10 paragon points out of it but only 2 renegade. That's not quite as big of an example as a whole planet, but still. Some decisions have room for you to be more paragon, others more renegade.

[Nilfalasiel]

Backpedalling through the topics a bit, I'd just like to point out that a Kaidanite calling Garrus "whiny" would be a textbook case of the pot calling the kettle black.

I don't mind Kaidan, he hasn't had the easiest time of it. But there is just NO way Garrus is whinier. Or whiny at all, for that matter. Stubborn, angry? Yes. Whiny?

Also, I really must hook my Xbox up to the internet one of these days, I totally missed out on all those news updates! Blame my router for sitting on top of a cupboard in a different room...

[Collider]

I tend to think the people who call Garrus whiny are doing so because they are bitter about Kaidan, Ashley, or Liara not really being in ME2. So basically they are looking for reasons to dislike Garrus, and in the process exaggerate things or make things up.

[Mariquis]

Yeah Garrus never struck me as a the whiny type in ME2. Self-deprecating, perhaps but not whiny -- although in the first game I probably would have given that to them. He did gripe a lot about C-sec in ME1, but in ME2? Yeah.. no.



Also (this is kind of random) did anyone notice the little cartoon krogan on the foodstand in Omega? It's a little neon sign that shows a cartoon krogan running towards and then jumping headfirst into a drink, it's so hilarious!

[Collider]

No I didn't...that's something to look for when I play ME2.

[Collider]

Mariquis wrote...

Yeah Garrus never struck me as a the whiny type in ME2. Self-deprecating, perhaps but not whiny -- although in the first game I probably would have given that to them. He did gripe a lot about C-sec in ME1, but in ME2? Yeah.. no.

For me Garrus being whiny never came across my mind. He was frustrated with how C-Sec was steeped in regulation, but it's not like he's not doing something about it -he is, by joining Shepard's squad.

[Nilfalasiel]

Mariquis wrote...

Also (this is kind of random) did anyone notice the little cartoon krogan on the foodstand in Omega? It's a little neon sign that shows a cartoon krogan running towards and then jumping headfirst into a drink, it's so hilarious!

 Never noticed that! Will check it out at the first opportunity.

[Mariquis]

Unfortunately it's hard to cake a good photo of it, since it bounces all over the Food sign:







It actually reminds me a lot of the krogan on the television during Kasumi's loyalty. I wonder what's with all the seemingly pop-culture references to krogans, actually, I was kind of under the impression that they were universally reviled.



In other news. Garrus is still looking damn fine.

[Kim Shepard]

Lemonwizard wrote...

I think some situations the opportunity for alignment points is more for one side than the other. Feros isn't unique in this regard.


Like say, the pickpocket sidequest on the Citadel in ME2. Pretty sure you can get 10 paragon points out of it but only 2 renegade. That's not quite as big of an example as a whole planet, but still. Some decisions have room for you to be more paragon, others more renegade.

That's probably the reason for it. Maybe the Mass Effect Wiki will have something to say about the number of Paragon/Renegade points.

@Mariquis: I've seen that sign with the krogan jumping into the drink. It's adorable.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Hey guys - just checking in. Been keeping up to date with everything and
playing catch up but time zones are stomping on my Clan V social
time...I'm here and you have all dispersed...

Great
insights into the G-man (as always) these past pages. You guys are just a little bit awesome.

Plan (tomorrow night) to do the SM run without Jack dying this time. Back tracked as suggested and managed to placate Jack with a paragon comment (yay) but had to go back on 4hrs of play to do it (boo)...if she STILL dies in the SM I will consider giving her a slap <_<

It is also fantastic that Bioware are giving us tidbits of info on Turians (gizzard and carapace FTW!) and it would be nice to believe they are doing it because of the Garrus fanbase...I can dream I am not the only one here hoping they post more!

Just a thought - and I KNOW we've discussed this numerous times but facepaint vs. tattoos - could it be the Turian equivalent of henna? More of a dye? Something that wears off over months rather than over night and has to be redone every once and a while to keep design fresh?  Could explain the 'slap some more facepaint on there G"

Random, I know, but that is what happens when you mix rum with your coke.

Night all and hopefully I'll get to be here when everyone else is soon   Bottom end of planet = FAIL.

[LOLandStuff]

People saying Garrus whines have nothing better to do. For some, every character they don't like he automatically whines, even if that specific character doesn't say a word.
If some characters talk about themselves "OMG! He's got such a big ego. What a damn narcissist."
If they mention something about their family etc. "I don't give a damn about your sister or aunt. I asked about you."
Filling you in on their culture etc. "I can read the codex. You need more character development."
Talking about random things. "BORING!"
Saying anything mission related. "That's all I am hearing since I started this quest. I've had it with this damn mission."
Their viewpoint on something. "You don't tell me what to do."
Saying anything they don't agree with. "Whining!"
I saw people complaining that even Liara was a whiner.
Kaidan just talks to you and because of Carth's voice, he's whining.
I really pity these guys' friends when they try to talk to them. They get a big Whine stamp. I prefer to ignore them since they have nothing to back up their claims

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 11 mai 2010 - 11:38 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is people should learn the difference in disliking a character for personal reasons and disliking them because they are a poor quality character. 

This deserves to be repeated. In fact, I think the relationship between how well a character is written and how much you dislike them is often inversely proportional: every time Ashley or Miranda open their mouths, I want to slap them. However, to me, that actually means that they are very well-written characters, since they manage to make me care (in the sense of getting emotionally involved) so strongly. They totally rub me the wrong way, but that's the beauty of it.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 11 mai 2010 - 02:00 .

[janeym27]

Ah, the old ‘Garrus is whiney’ argument has been bandied about these forums plenty. Actually, I’ve heard quite a few ‘everyone is whiney’ arguments across various threads. To that, I always refer people to Samara. During one of the conversations you can have with her about her family (I forget which one) the renegade dialogue response option reads “cry me a river”. Selecting this prompts Samara to say something along the lines of: I’m not looking for sympathy. You asked me, so I’m telling you. If it bothers you, I’ll stop.
What people are calling ‘whining’ is a response to an honest question.
 
Garrus actually has the least to say about his personal life, IMO. Considering everything that has gone down (and the history between him and Shep if you played ME1 the best way), he is remarkably quiet. He explains how he came to be holed up on Omega (answer to a question), then tells Shep about Sidonus and asks for help in solving a problem (action, not whining). After Sidonus, well, it’s all reach, flexibility and sex research. Very little whining to be had. Let’s face it, Garrus is not all that much of a ‘personal issues’ talker. Even in ME1 when complaining about C-Sec, it’s in juxtaposition to what he is doing with Shepard. He has a problem, he fixes it (hence the C-Sec frustration in the 1st place).
 
I’ve got no problem with people liking disliking whatever characters they want for whatever reasons they want (well, let’s not get silly about it), but sometimes it does feel like people are making reasons up. Like: they want to hate on a character, so they hate first, reason it out second. I think that by and large all of the ME characters are well written enough that even if you find a particular character’s motives or actions disdainful, you can appreciate that they are a good character, just maybe not your cup of tea. I only really find myself ‘hating’ a character if I feel like they are shallow, or don’t quite fit the universe. In ME, this is a rare thing indeed.
 
I don’t think it’s fair to say Garrus is too easily moulded (people also complain that the ‘lesson from ME1 never stuck’ so I guess some people just want to be unhappy). He listens to Shepard, and takes advice, but ultimately the decision is his. Shepard literally has to stand between him and Sidonus to stop him taking the shot, and lets Sidonus explain himself. Shep doesn’t ask Garrus not to kill Sidonus, but points out that Sidonus isn’t worth the bullet. Garrus makes the choice (and lives with the consequences, either way). This interaction is a by-product of his friendship with Shepard, not a result of him being unable to act unguided (although, I’ll admit, I think his state of mind post-betrayal may be lacking in self-confidence regarding his decisions, which may make him a tad more susceptible to the advice of a trusted friend). I see it as a back and forth in ME2. Garrus is one of the characters that calls Shepard on his/her BS as well. One of my fave character moments is if you take him to get the IFF. When you go to take Legion, he warns Shepard off. When Shepard disagrees with him, he says “You know the risks. That’s all I’m saying.” (I know he’s not the only character with something to say here, but the way he says it really struck me.) He also cautions Shep on Cerberus, and during battle tends to offer useful tactical advice (well, maybe I’m biased, but his ‘if we head to the left we can flank them’, etc, is advice well placed. I don’t seem to notice the others being as helpful. They probably are, but like I sai, I don’t notice it. Lol) Basically, I think he and Shepard, paragon or renegade, are on an fairly even keel by ME2.
 
Re: Garrus HTL death order. I was surprised he died so early on, but I guess the selfless action thing makes sense (mind you, can you imagine if he sacrificed himself to save the likes of Monrith or Zaeed? My Shepards would be universally unimpressed! Not wanting to hate on them, but I can't see them returning the favor to Gar. And he's too awesome to sacrifice!). It’s actually quite cool that they would take character personality into consideration when working that order out, not just defence score (at least, I’m assuming they must have, because Garrus scores pretty high for HTL numbers).
 
I know it was pages ago, and OT, but regarding the Thane thing: I think it’s perfectly possible to keep him dying AND have a happy ending. Collider’s ‘make it ambiguous’ thing works, but they could also have a whole Shepard and Thane are going to make the most of what time they have left together thing (technically, no one knows exactly when they are going to die anyway). I don’t think you necessarily need a whole ‘huzzah! He’s cured!’ revelation for this to be upbeat.
I hope we get several different endings in ME3. Happy/sad/catastrophic…. And Romance or bromance, Garrus and Shepard will be sniping happily together until the end!
 

Pacifien wrote...

His choice in wine is substandard and he is tone deaf when it comes to musical seduction.

 
Um… champagne is pretty nice (he got the best he could afford!), and are you implying that stripper Flux music isn’t sexy as all hell? I know I was impressed. (Damn! Garrus got some moves! )
 
Also, the wine he shares a name with is ‘probably the best rose wine in the world’. So… there!
 
 
Also, slow calibrator? Thorough calibrator, I think you mean. (We all saw what happened on Horizon due to sloppy calibrations). cocky sniper? AWESOME sniper. Eyepiece looks stupid? Eyepiece looks damn sexy. And is practical too.
 
… etc, etc, I think I’ve made my case.

[Cerrydd]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

*snip*

I agree 100%.

I never understood this 'whiny' thing. Maybe my definition of whining is different from theirs, but I haven't found one character in ME that I can call whiny. Kaidan whiny? No. His personality doesn't interest me at all, but whiny? I don't like him that much, but I'm not going to make up things to exaggerate my indifference towards him. Besides, I can still understand why other girls might like him.

Garrus whiny? lol. He might complain (a lot) about all the rules getting in the way, but him telling you that he's fed up with C-Sec, rules and red tape is basically him explaining why he joined you and why he's doing what he does. That's not whiny, that's his passion about fighting injustice.

The only squad mate I can say I really hate is Morinth. But that's not because she's blue, oversexed, kills me when I try to 'scrog' (that word is awful) her, doesn't like the same music as I do, has an annoying voice, has creepy eyes, whines about the way her mother treated her or other silly reasons I try to think of now. BW just did a good job with writing a character that evokes such a negative emotional reaction in me. Like you said, not every character is written to be liked right away. Some will grow on you after replaying the game. But if someone says "omg i hate him hes so boring lol" and never even tries to get to know the character better, because, well, hes so boring lol... that's just sad.

[lovgreno]

I have come the same conclusion. Most characters in ME are actualy quite likeable. Kaidan is not boring, he is rather smart and calm. Garrus might complain but he does something about the things he dislikes (wich usualy involves illegal assasinations).

[Pacifien]

aynxalot wrote...
Note: He still sucks as a squadmate though; don't take him to the derelict Reaper. I died many many times because he wouldn't DO anything! And I was -romancing- him! The next time I went I took Garrus and did not die ONCE. True story. Garrus just likes to concussive-shot husks when they swarm my FemShep. It gets him some awesome brownie points for when we're back on the Normandy. *OmNomNom*

Different strokes. The Derelict Reaper mission is perhaps where I got the most use out of Jacob's skills. Pull, incendiary ammo, shotgun... Jacob did die once, during the scion double whammy. I blame my tactics during that portion, though.

Garrus is notorious for being a suicidal squadmate. I didn't notice this for my first few playthroughs, but once I pushed the difficulty up to Insanity, Garrus started dying left and right. I'm usually fairly reserved on my squad commands, but found myself having to tell Garrus to stay put quite often. He seemed to have the idea that the best vantage point to use his sniper rifle was the cover closest to the approaching enemies.