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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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#18626
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Lemonwizard wrote...

The file directories were originally created while the characters were still in the conceptual stage and did not have finalized names yet. Grunt was always going to be a grunt, but that ultimately ended up to turn out as his name as well. Tali and Garrus are named Tali and Garrus because, as returning squadmates from ME1, they already had finalized names.


Ah, that makes sense of course. Garrus and Tali don't need an alias in that case.

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Sialater wrote...

"A knight-errant so focused on slaying dragons that he forget the other half of his job-the maidens"


I am now picturing Garrus charging on a white horse in full medieval plate metal with his lance out (minds out of the gutter, people), riding right by the damsel, heading for the dragon.


You mean like this? The horse isn't white, but hey!

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Collider wrote...

I heard that Jack says something different if you romance her and she dies as the second team leader. Does anyone else have something where if you romance them and they die as second team leader, they say something unique?


She says something that she was never meant to be happy anyway.

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LOLandStuff wrote...

She says something that she was never meant to be happy anyway.


Yeah, something like that. I'll listen to it now.

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Cerrydd wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

She says something that she was never meant to be happy anyway.


Yeah, something like that. I'll listen to it now.

Does Thane and/or Tali have romance death diaog?

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Jack says "I knew I'd get tagged on this mission. I was too happy. Too happy with you." before she dies as second teamleader if you romanced her, according to several sources I've come across.

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Xsause wrote...

Sialater wrote...

"A knight-errant so focused on slaying dragons that he forget the other half of his job-the maidens"


I am now picturing Garrus charging on a white horse in full medieval plate metal with his lance out (minds out of the gutter, people), riding right by the damsel, heading for the dragon.


You mean like this?

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ROTFLMAO!  But you forgot the confused and pouting maiden in the background as he rides by.  She's covered in mud because he didn't notice her on his way to slay the dragon and splashed her.   :innocent:

#18633
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Okay, so all my pictures for my epic paint topic are ready, but.....I'm leaving on thursday for a trip and won't have reliable internet access for 9 days.





I want to post it, but I don't want to make a topic and then miss out on most of it. What do I do, Garrus thread? You are my guidance!

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Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...Unique_dialogue



Doesn't say how it's different if you romance him, though.

However, I read all of Garrus' unique dialogue and suddenly don't care. ;)


Hah, you too?:P

As for the less romance dialog thing, I meant that in two ways.  A) He has no post romance dialog of any kind.  B) The actual branches in the romance conversations are quite small compared to other LIs.  You basically get to ask "are you sure?"  "when do we screw?" and then say yes or no and that's it.  The others have multiple paths (Jack renegade/paragon,) have early pre-loyalty or during loyalty mission flirting (Jacob, Thane, Tali) or have many more branches in the dialog itself (Jacob, Miranda, Tali.)

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I don't know which are in the game, because I haven't seen every one of them die.

Jack: Too many of them... I knew I'd get hit on this job... I was too happy... too happy with you...
Jacob: Too many Shepard... got them through but... I guess you and I won't get our time... (lolwut?)
Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)
Thane: I hear the sea...
Thane: You look beautiful... my siha
Grunt: Too many... brought the clan home, but I'm staying... good fight Shepard, good fight..

And also:
Thane: Do you copy? Siha! Where are you?

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...Unique_dialogue



Doesn't say how it's different if you romance him, though.

However, I read all of Garrus' unique dialogue and suddenly don't care. ;)


Hah, you too?:P

As for the less romance dialog thing, I meant that in two ways.  A) He has no post romance dialog of any kind.  B) The actual branches in the romance conversations are quite small compared to other LIs.  You basically get to ask "are you sure?"  "when do we screw?" and then say yes or no and that's it.  The others have multiple paths (Jack renegade/paragon,) have early pre-loyalty or during loyalty mission flirting (Jacob, Thane, Tali) or have many more branches in the dialog itself (Jacob, Miranda, Tali.)


I figure it's A) they already know each other too well... B) neither of them are good with the emotional crap ... C) They're both in denial it's something more than "blowing off steam."

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Cerrydd wrote...

Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)


For the priiiize!

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Jacob: Too many Shepard... got them through but... I guess you and I won't get our time... (lolwut?)
Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)

FemShep rejected the priiize.

Anyways, it's weird that Jacob has romance death lines, because technically unless I'm mistaken he doesn't die as team leader unless he's unloyal, in which case you couldn't romance him.

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Cerrydd wrote...

I don't know which are in the game, because I haven't seen every one of them die.

Jack: Too many of them... I knew I'd get hit on this job... I was too happy... too happy with you...
Jacob: Too many Shepard... got them through but... I guess you and I won't get our time... (lolwut?)
Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)
Thane: I hear the sea...
Thane: You look beautiful... my siha
Grunt: Too many... brought the clan home, but I'm staying... good fight Shepard, good fight..

And also:
Thane: Do you copy? Siha! Where are you?


Those are a little gut-wrenching, except Jacob.  That is indeed "lolwut?"  How can Jacob even die there if he's loyal?  I thought he had to be loyal to romance him and if he was loyal he wouldn't die as team leader.  Did they have those files from farther back in production or something.

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Sorry for the bellyachin'  It's time to stow the old soapbox for the night methinks.  I've got my reasons for why I think there's way less Garrus dialog, but I've already gone on and on about it so I'll just say this:  "What Garrus has to say in ME2 is awesome.  Wouldn't more be even better?"

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Thanks for the info Cerry. Let us know if you find anything else interesting :)

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LOLandStuff wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)


For the priiiize!


Didn't he say that he wanted to get loud and spill some drinks at the Citadel with you? Maybe he's talking about that. :D

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Xsause wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Jacob: Too many Shepard... shields blew... guess... guess you and I won't get our time... (what time?)


For the priiiize!


Didn't he say that he wanted to get loud and spill some drinks at the Citadel with you? Maybe he's talking about that. :D

LOL yea, might be that =p

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*walks in .. sees Garrus Knight. Laughs*

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Agh. Slow internet cannot keep up with awesome pictures.

Re: Jack's line. It's in the files... actually, as far as I can find, Jack, Jacob and Thane all get LI specific lines during SM. Tali, Garrus and Miranda don't. Probably because it's really hard to lose Garrus loyal, and impossible to lsoe a loyal Miri.

If he gets capped, Jacob says "looks like you and I won't get our time." In case anyone is interested. lol

Oh, I remembered there was a discussion some pages back about the VAs recording dialogue. Now, I don't know if BW can work this way, but I know that some TV shows, etc, will record VO in different studios and edit the tracks together, if need be. In fact, I remember Matt Groening talking about recording guest star lines over the phone ofr the odd Futurama ep. Obviously, getting the actors down to the regular studio is better, but the point is that if they decide they need more dialogue from a particular character, they could easily get them into a studio elsewhere, if the cost of flights and accomodation was an issue, or timings were hard. BW is based in 4 cities atm, so they probably have the facility to get the actors into the most convenient ones.

Bascially, we want more Garrus! Going through this dialogue really makes it obvious how little he got in comparison to the other LIs. His recruitment contains a lot (with him shouting direction, etc) but on virtually every other point he's shafted. :(

Edit: Ninjad a little. Damn my painfully slow bandwidth. :ph34r:

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Great now we are only a few steps away from photoshopping Garrus's head onto the bodies of male models. Rofl.




#18646
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[sarcasm]

A better death line for Jacob would've been:

*The door closes just in time. JACOB puts a hand on his stomach in agony. SHEPARD runs up to him and tries to help him up, but he shakes his head.*

SHEPARD: Jacob! Don't die, for God's sake! Don't--

JACOB: Yo Shepard, I'm real sad for you, and I'mma let you finish, but that Collector shot in the stomach was one of the most painful shots of all time! 

SHEPARD: But I--

JACOB: OF ALL TIME!

*JACOB slumps to the floor, dead.*

SHEPARD: JACOB!

MIRANDA: I knew picking him as a team leader was a heavy risk.

SHEPARD: But the pr--

SQUAD: Oh, shut up.



[/sarcasm]

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Collider wrote...

Anyways, it's weird that Jacob has romance death lines, because technically unless I'm mistaken he doesn't die as team leader unless he's unloyal, in which case you couldn't romance him.


Yes, this is weird.

It makes sense that Garrus doesn't have LI specific last words in that scene, because he can't die when he's loyal (and romanced). With the rocket to the face and seeker swarms, he doesn't have time to say goodbye.

But then I don't understand why Tali won't say something about the romance when she dies.

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Cerrydd wrote...

Thane: I hear the sea...
Thane: You look beautiful... my siha


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That's...just...

Why can't Garrus have something like that??? Then again, it would mean that he'd have to die...Implications unpleasant. Gah!

Backpedalling again to the attractiveness question, I thought of something. Turians in general find quarians attractive, and quarian females have a body shape very close to that of a human female (barring the legs). So I don't think it would be much of a stretch for Garrus to see Shepard as physically attractive. He says he hasn't considered cross-species intercourse at all, but as people have said, this probably has as much to do with his general obliviousness as with natural preference for turians. It's just that, since a turian can find a quarian attractive, it's not that big of a jump from there to a human.

As for him saying Shepard's waist is attractive, that's not because he's done research on humans: that's him picking out a trait that he'd find attractive in a turian. He says as much. Just like Shep would probably be looking for stuff she'd find attractive in a human male (voice, broad shoulders, predatory attitude).

I guess I just can't fathom him not finding her physically attractive at all: sex wouldn't be possible without at least a minimum amount of physical attraction, and sex is the very first thing they discuss in their relationship, so...

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Ah, a sad day when you have to qualify sarcasm because some people have no sense of humor....



And on VAs. I really hope they would consider that. So long as quality wasn't affected. Did we ever figure out if Bioware uses much local talent or not?

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Thane: I hear the sea...
Thane: You look beautiful... my siha




I guess I just can't fathom him not finding her physically attractive at all: sex wouldn't be possible without at least a minimum amount of physical attraction, and sex is the very first thing they discuss in their relationship, so...


This.  I very much think the relationship starts with Tali/Garrus/Thane admiring Shepard's spirit but it can't stop there.  I gave my two cents on this some time back.  I don't think their initial attraction was sexual, but it eventually *became* sexual.  The presence of sexual interest is the difference in close friendship and romance.  You can love your best friend, but that doesn't mean you would have sex with them.  I appreciate the idea of being romantically attracted to someone's personality but the physical attraction has got to come through eventually or I don't think you've got a viable relationship.  Relationships aren't just about sex, but sex is still an important part, I would say one of THE defining parts that separates a lover from a BFF.   I do think however that strong enough attachment to a person's spirit and desire to remain with that person can lead you to find physical traits appealing that you may have found appealing before and I think that's precisely what happens with Garrus.