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[LOLandStuff]

There was a fic with Shepard turned into a housewife and Garrus working for C-Sec. She was cooking, cleaning and shopping. And she took Garrus' name, giving up hers. But I don't think they had babies...yet.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 12 mai 2010 - 01:49 .

[RiptideX1090]

LOLandStuff wrote...

There was a fic with Shepard turned into a housewife and Garrus working for C-Sec. She was cooking, cleaning and shopping. And she took Garrus' name, giving up hers. But I don't think they had babies...yet.

That is so many levels of wrong.

[Sialater]

Chimervera wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

We need a Garrus loves Houston banner. Pity my banner making skills are at approximately 0%.

Did someone say banner?


Feel free to request a location!

And if I had a CLUE how to do this, THIS banner I'd use. Thanks!

[Nilfalasiel]

aynxalot wrote...

Actual ceremony/formalizing or not, Shep and Garrus are kinda in it together for the long haul at this point, so if they got married I'd have no problem at all.

Disclaimer: personal interpretation coming up.

I don't have anything against marriage. But I do have something against marriage being perceived as absolutely necessary for a "happily ever after". If Shepard doesn't get married (this applies to any of the LIs), it doesn't somehow make the relationship less stable in my eyes. I can totally see her and Garrus kicking ass together happily ever after till death do them part, marriage or no marriage. I just don't think they'd need to seek social justification for their relationship. It's already a big "LOLZ" in the face of convention anyway. I can imagine a human/turian wedding causing a proper scandal in some circles.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 mai 2010 - 02:22 .

[Pacifien]

I'm not a big believer in marriage myself, so I find myself thinking Shepard is the same way. I also believe that Shepard could have a rather meaningful relationship with Garrus that doesn't end in happily ever after. People can have multiple meaningful relationships in their lives. There's just part of me that feels that Shepard, while helps make Garrus stronger, to complete his journey, Garrus needs to step out away from Shepard at some point. And succeed. Otherwise, his failure on Omega will always haunt him as a period where he fails on his own.

And yeah, I don't buy either outcome of the Sidonis confrontation as true closure on that event in Garrus's life.

And yeah again, I am not much for happily ever afters.

[Sialater]

aynxalot wrote...

I would also venture to guess that it's not a turian thing, anyway. I like to think that their traditions are quite different from humans, like each turian taking the surname of their parent of the same gender, or something a little more equalizing like that. I think maybe I just like to fantasize that turians don't have the same history with gender inequality that humans do. Example: Shepard makes the chivalrous comment "I assume you took her down gently" about his female recon scout. He replies with a semi-surprised, "Actually, we were the top-ranked hand-to-hand specialists on board." /pseudo-feminist rant

I'm in the middle of Jacob's LM and I keep wondering about the total disgust he and Shepard are expressing about the treatment of the women and Garrus is along and rather clueless about the subtext. 

I may have to have Meghan Shepard explain to Garrus why Acting-Captain Taylor pissed her off so badly in a Captain's Log.  I can imagine that humanity's spinning this "Our Men & Women Are Totally Equal And Always Have Been" BS to the rest of the civilized galaxy.

[Sialater]

The Marriage Thing: the Kaidanites have also had this discussion. I'll say the same thing here as I did there. I think it depends on your Shepard. Meghan, being an Earthborn orphan, wouldn't have a clue what to do with marriage. Avery, a Colonist orphan, would seeing as she remembers her parents.

[Pacifien]

Sialater wrote...
I may have to have Meghan Shepard explain to Garrus why Acting-Captain Taylor pissed her off so badly in a Captain's Log.  I can imagine that humanity's spinning this "Our Men & Women Are Totally Equal And Always Have Been" BS to the rest of the civilized galaxy.

Come to think of it, I imagine the Krogan and Salarians give extremely unequal status between the sexes. The Asari would have no concept of it. Wonder if the Hanar would. I can't imagine how the Elcor, Volus, or Turians interpret it, but I had always viewed the Turians as been very close in social evolution to humans. Garrus's story about his flexible Turian lady friend would indicate the Turians view their females as equals in the military, I think.

I seem to have forgotten the Batarians. I bet they're sexist pigs.

I like to think all the Elcor we've met so far have been female.

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

Sialater wrote...
I may have to have Meghan Shepard explain to Garrus why Acting-Captain Taylor pissed her off so badly in a Captain's Log.  I can imagine that humanity's spinning this "Our Men & Women Are Totally Equal And Always Have Been" BS to the rest of the civilized galaxy.

Come to think of it, I imagine the Krogan and Salarians give extremely unequal status between the sexes. The Asari would have no concept of it. Wonder if the Hanar would. I can't imagine how the Elcor, Volus, or Turians interpret it, but I had always viewed the Turians as been very close in social evolution to humans. Garrus's story about his flexible Turian lady friend would indicate the Turians view their females as equals in the military, I think.

I seem to have forgotten the Batarians. I bet they're sexist pigs.

I like to think all the Elcor we've met so far have been female.

We don't know if turians would have had thousands of years of institutionalized sexism to have overcome like humans.  All we know for certain is, they've been on the galactic stage 300 years longer.

[Nilfalasiel]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm not a big believer in marriage myself, so I find myself thinking Shepard is the same way. I also believe that Shepard could have a rather meaningful relationship with Garrus that doesn't end in happily ever after. People can have multiple meaningful relationships in their lives. There's just part of me that feels that Shepard, while helps make Garrus stronger, to complete his journey, Garrus needs to step out away from Shepard at some point. And succeed. Otherwise, his failure on Omega will always haunt him as a period where he fails on his own.
And yeah, I don't buy either outcome of the Sidonis confrontation as true closure on that event in Garrus's life.
And yeah again, I am not much for happily ever afters.

See, if Garrus decided to do that, I'd be inclined to think that he learned absolutely nothing from his Sidonis experience. What happened with Sidonis wasn't his fault. He may have believed that he failed, but the truth is, the situation simply blew up in his face: just random bad luck. There's no need for him to prove anything to anybody by running off on his own. Heck, if his experience with Shepard & co. taught him anything, is that you're always stronger with others, rather than on your own. But I guess it depends on how you resolved his LM: if you let him shoot, he's just isolated himself a little more, and I can see that Garrus wanting to go off on his own at some point. It's true that he doesn't seem completely at ease if you don't let him shoot, but I see it more as his first reaction to being free from the revenge that he'd been obsessed with. He understands that it was the right thing to do: he could still see some good in Sidonis (and not simply because Shepard asked him to stop), and he probably would've beaten himself up more if he had taken the shot. I can see this as a good healing ground for him. Besides, I like to think that him successfully leading the fire team during the SM goes a long way towards restoring his belief in his own abilities as well.
 
And hearing him say that Shepard is the one good thing left in his life makes me think it's highly unlikely that he'd want or feel the need to step away from that. They've both been through hell and back, and they're definitely stronger together than apart, so why forgo that? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Not everything is always happily ever after, it's true: the Thane romance is a perfect example of that. But I don't see why it can't be happily ever after with Garrus.

[Sialater]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

See, if Garrus decided to do that, I'd be inclined to think that he learned absolutely nothing from his Sidonis experience. What happened with Sidonis wasn't his fault. He may have believed that he failed, but the truth is, the situation simply blew up in his face: just random bad luck. There's no need for him to prove anything to anybody by running off on his own. Heck, if his experience with Shepard & co. taught him anything, is that you're always stronger with others, rather than on your own. But I guess it depends on how you resolved his LM: if you let him shoot, he's just isolated himself a little more, and I can see that Garrus wanting to go off on his own at some point. It's true that he doesn't seem completely at ease if you don't let him shoot, but I see it more as his first reaction to being free from the revenge that he'd been obsessed with. He understands that it was the right thing to do: he could still see some good in Sidonis (and not simply because Shepard asked him to stop), and he probably would've beaten himself up more if he had taken the shot. I can see this as a good healing ground for him. Besides, I like to think that him successfully leading the fire team during the SM goes a long way towards restoring his belief in his own abilities as well.
 
And hearing him say that Shepard is the one good thing left in his life makes me think it's highly unlikely that he'd want or feel the need to step away from that. They've both been through hell and back, and they're definitely stronger together than apart, so why forgo that? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Not everything is always happily ever after, it's true: the Thane romance is a perfect example of that. But I don't see why it can't be happily ever after with Garrus.

QFT

[Pacifien]

Garrus leaving Shepard doesn't necessarily mean going off on his own. He could be a general leading his own army when the Reapers come. I know if I was Shepard, Garrus would be a military leader I'd want in control of whatever forces I had available.

Just think Garrus is destined for something greater than Shepard's deep love or right-hand man.

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

Garrus leaving Shepard doesn't necessarily mean going off on his own. He could be a general leading his own army when the Reapers come. I know if I was Shepard, Garrus would be a military leader I'd want in control of whatever forces I had available.
Just think Garrus is destined for something greater than Shepard's deep love or right-hand man.

Shepard doesn't always have to be the leader, either.  There was definitely an "advisor" vibe to his loyalty mission.  She wasn't in charge, he was.  She was just there to remind him of the consequences of his actions.  I could see  Meghan, at least, stepping back from being in charge and being just his right hand girl a time or two.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I can't imagine garrus becoming a general. I think hes to fed up with that kind of crap. I think his place is with shepard no matter if he is romancing shepard or is best friends with shepard. Its not like he has no where else to go, its just that there is no where he wants to go.

[Pacifien]

Sialater wrote...
Shepard doesn't always have to be the leader, either.  There was definitely an "advisor" vibe to his loyalty mission.  She wasn't in charge, he was.  She was just there to remind him of the consequences of his actions.  I could see  Meghan, at least, stepping back from being in charge and being just his right hand girl a time or two.

In regards to the Reaper threat, highly doubt anyone but Shepard will be in charge. Post-ME3, doubt we'll ever know where a lot of the characters go.

[Andaius20]

You don't think they will do a DA:O style ending?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

If they are really ending it....they better damn well end it right. And who knows guys, they might make some dlc for me3 too. I mean Mass effect is like one of their best game franchises it would be kind of a missed opportunity on bioware's part if they just drop the ball and say "alright we are done. No more mass effect, next please"

[Nilfalasiel]

Sialater wrote...

Shepard doesn't always have to be the leader, either.  There was definitely an "advisor" vibe to his loyalty mission.  She wasn't in charge, he was.  She was just there to remind him of the consequences of his actions. 

This. It's not because he's in a relationship that he's automatically relegated to second place. Shepard trusts him, and his LM definitely had her letting him take charge. She disagreed, but she still went along with his plan, right up to allowing him to aim a gun at her head. He was in charge, she just gave him the opportunity of seeing another side of the coin which he hadn't considered: that Sidonis might have been a victim as well. Even with Shepard providing as much resistance as she can, ultimately, Garrus is free to do as he likes at both crucial moments in this LM: the Harkin showdown and Sidonis. He could've shot Harkin after Shep started walking away, but he headbutted him instead. He could've still shot Sidonis after she moved away at the end, but he didn't. The final decision was his (or, well, the player's, but you get my drift).

Similarly, if you pick him for the fire team, that's another instance of Shep putting him in charge: her success depends on his, just as much as his success depends on hers, and I'm sure he appreciates the gesture more than anybody else on the team.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 mai 2010 - 03:55 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I agree with you Nilfalasiel. I just don't see how the relationship between shepard and garrus won't work. It wouldn't really make sense and it would make me feel like crap, since garrus already thinks his life is ****ed up as it is.

[Cerrydd]

Holy crap guys, I go to bed and wake up to 15 more pages. Nice to see the Talimancers feel welcome here, it pleases me that a lot like the Garrus thread . I can't wait to see Riptide's artwork when it's done. It's already gorgeous.

Marriage: I think it al depends on your Shepard. Everyone has their own ideas about what their Shep would want after the final battle. Like I said when I was answering Collider's questionnaire, I can't see Garrus slowing down (he'll probably want to fight injustice forever, since that's pretty much his passion), but I know my Shep is done with saving the galaxy when the Reapers are gone. I don't know if my Shep wants to get married. If he proposes, she won't say no of course , but I don't think they have to get married. The only reason I want to get married IRL, is because I can throw an outrageous big party. If getting married in ME3 means we'll get a big party with the crew, then I won't hesitate taking the marriage route . But getting married is, imo, not necessary for Shep and Garrus (or any other LI). But, yeah, that's like, my opinion, man.

Regarding males/females in turian society, I think they're very much equal. Every turian goes to bootcamp at 15, and according to Garrus' story, females serve in the military as well. Turian society is all about serving the state and protecting it, so I'm sure females are treated equally. If BW wasn't lazy (or had more time and money), I'm sure we'd see a lot of female C-Sec officers on the Citadel. All we can hope for is that we finally get to see these awesome female turians in ME3.

[Pacifien]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
If they are really ending it....they better damn well end it right. And who knows guys, they might make some dlc for me3 too. I mean Mass effect is like one of their best game franchises it would be kind of a missed opportunity on bioware's part if they just drop the ball and say "alright we are done. No more mass effect, next please"

Shepard's story ends with ME3, but that doesn't mean stories set in the Mass Effect universe end. Even characters seen during the first three games might end up in future games. But I bet anything dealing with Shepard's future is left ambiguous because there are just too many different ways to play the character. References to what Shepard did, but Shepard's story in game form is done after ME3.

And because Garrus can be intricately linked to Shepard, future games with him involved seem unlikely.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

yeah ino, thats whats going to ****** me off. No more garrus. damn it lets start being optimistic, just saying this crap is depressing.

[Cerrydd]

I know they're planning to make more games in the ME universe after this trilogy. I'd like to see things like Krogan Rebellions, Rachni war and First Contact War. Especially the latter... Papa Vakarian anyone?

[Pacifien]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
I agree with you Nilfalasiel. I just don't see how the relationship between shepard and garrus won't work. It wouldn't really make sense and it would make me feel like crap, since garrus already thinks his life is ****ed up as it is.

I don't think a relationship between Shepard and Garrus that doesn't last equates to Garrus's life getting ****ed up even more. Relationships end amicably. Sometimes events force relationships to end. Garrus isn't doomed to a life of misery just because Shepard isn't there. If that were the case, he's not the sort of Garrus I was hoping he could be.

[Pacifien]

Cerrydd wrote...
But, yeah, that's like, my opinion, man.

Are you referencing The Big Lebowski?