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[Xsause]

Collider wrote...

Okay that one scares me.

Scaring people is what I do.  :innocent:

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Gotta love some of the people on this forum. I just saw someone say interspecies romances are akin to bestiality. MAKES PERFECT SENSE, RIGHT.

I'm tempted to go with Mordin's School of Logic and say the determining factor is the ability to perform calculus. This will also cut out some of the gene pool of my own species.

But next someone will tell me that there is research demonstrating an octopus's ability to perform calculus. They're smart.

[Lemonwizard]

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
Gotta love some of the people on this forum. I just saw someone say interspecies romances are akin to bestiality. MAKES PERFECT SENSE, RIGHT.

I'm tempted to go with Mordin's School of Logic and say the determining factor is the ability to perform calculus. This will also cut out some of the gene pool of my own species.

But next someone will tell me that there is research demonstrating an octopus's ability to perform calculus. They're smart.

Well ability to perform calculus is a good metric because it also serves as a guard against pedophilia or taking advantage of the mentally challenged.

[Xsause]

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
Gotta love some of the people on this forum. I just saw someone say interspecies romances are akin to bestiality. MAKES PERFECT SENSE, RIGHT.

I'm tempted to go with Mordin's School of Logic and say the determining factor is the ability to perform calculus. This will also cut out some of the gene pool of my own species.

But next someone will tell me that there is research demonstrating an octopus's ability to perform calculus. They're smart.

That would mean worms are an option, according to this article.



...I just creeped myself out.

Forget I said anything.

Modifié par Xsause, 12 mai 2010 - 10:30 .

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

A lot of what is considered feminine and masculine is decided by society, as Mariquis points out. In some societies that are more than two genders, even.

Btw, apparently they are going to announce new DLC tomorrow.

One of my fave quotes is "one is not born, but rather becomes a woman" (Judith Butler). I did my thesis on the role of the body in the performance of gender and sexuality, in a world where technology increasingly alows us to take the physical body out of the equation, to a certain extent. (Yes. I am well qualified for life in the real world.) The whole way we define gender and sexuality in our society fascinates me, and through fiction and new media like video games, we are able to explore that with regard to hypothetical social situations which do not currently apply in our culture (such as dissecting the culture of an alien society: attitudes to sexuality and gender, evolution of power, etc...) Had Mass Effect been out when I started it, I'd totally have written a chapter on it!!! (which would have been awesome. As it was, I had to settle for half a chapter on second life, and 3 paragraphs on WoW. Yes. Completely qualified for the real world.)
Sorry. That went a tad OT. Got excited there. lol. I love that this thread lets me indulge my crazy in a sensible way...

aynxalot wrote...



artist: ariscards. This is coming along AWESOME.

This needed to be posted on this page. I love it. (this actually looks a lot like my main FemShep. And I've never seen another FemShep like mine, so I'm excited. )


Evil Dead 3: Army of Darkness is filling in for regular internet connection tonight. If Bruce Campbell was a Turian, he'd be Garrus Vakarian.

"We can defeat these Collectors. With Science!" (Yes, I know. Doesn't really fit the character or the scenario, but my math goes as follows: Bruce Campbell = awesome. Garrus Vakarian = awesome. Therefore, Garrus Vakarian = awesome Bruce Campbell in space!)

Happy Hour, anyone? 

[Pacifien]

Xsause wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
But next someone will tell me that there is research demonstrating an octopus's ability to perform calculus. They're smart.

That would mean worms are an option, according to this article.

Well, crap, guess no more experimenting on worms for Mordin.

[Pacifien]

janeym27 wrote...
*snip*I'm trying to get an handle on Shep-free Garrus atm myself. The problem I have in picturing him going it alone is that he'd be leaving a lot to go towards... not very much. I don't think he'd have left Shepard the 1st time, had Shepard not gone and died on him. And that goes for some of the other squaddies as well. I don't think it's as simple as 'they all follow Shepard', as much as 'they are a team'. Shepard is simply the glue that holds them all together (Go Team Shepard!).

From what I can tell, Garrus did leave Shepard the first time to rejoin C-Sec, before Shepard died.

See, part of where I think I failed in describing Garrus leaving Shepard is that the interpretation seems to be I mean he leaves to be on his own. Or even that he leaves Shepard forever, never to be in contact again. Or even that Garrus never joins Shepard to fight whatever comes after the Reapers. The universe is big. There are many things happening in it. I can see every squadmate of Shepard's leaving at some point to handle whatever the universe throws at them away from Shepard's help or influence, so I don't see why Garrus has to be any different.

Now Collider brings up a good point about the Turian belief in the spirit of a group or place, and I can see Garrus taking the Normandy and Shepard's role in it as a spirit worth following. But the spirit appears to be quite fragile, as Shepard's death was enough to shatter the team that was built with the original Normandy. I'd like to think Shepard would want to build a stronger team, one that lives on after his death should that be the case again.

Part of what irked me about ME2 was how much the Reaper threat hinged on Shepard's belief in it. I mean, that leads all the credence in the universe for why the Illusive Man believes Shepard is worth four billion credits. But eventually someone is going to have to start believing in the Reaper threat regardless if Shepard is there to fight it or not. It would seem the best testament to their friendship if Garrus were able to do so.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

But then, why did he leave C-SEC to pretend to be like shepard on omega? And i really don't see why garrus tagging along with shepard till the very end seems like a bad idea to you. I think that they've known each other for quite some time now that garrus wouldn't just "drop off the grid" or disappear once the threat is over, even if he does want to live his own life hes probably going to keep in close touch with shepard and see him/her every so often.

[Topographer]

I support Garrus. I am showing it by posting this.

[janeym27]

Pacifien wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
*snip*I'm trying to get an handle on Shep-free Garrus atm myself. The problem I have in picturing him going it alone is that he'd be leaving a lot to go towards... not very much. I don't think he'd have left Shepard the 1st time, had Shepard not gone and died on him. And that goes for some of the other squaddies as well. I don't think it's as simple as 'they all follow Shepard', as much as 'they are a team'. Shepard is simply the glue that holds them all together (Go Team Shepard!).

From what I can tell, Garrus did leave Shepard the first time to rejoin C-Sec, before Shepard died.

*snip*

Part of what irked me about ME2 was how much the Reaper threat hinged on Shepard's belief in it. I mean, that leads all the credence in the universe for why the Illusive Man believes Shepard is worth four billion credits. But eventually someone is going to have to start believing in the Reaper threat regardless if Shepard is there to fight it or not. It would seem the best testament to their friendship if Garrus were able to do so.

I always took it that he went back to C-Sec after Shepard died... but I was actually referring to the Garrus who never signs up with Shepard in the 1st place. It totally changes the dynamic. He resigns C-Sec to follow Shepard, but s/he rejects him. What then? The dialogue on Omega would suggest that he only properly left after the defeat of Saren, so did he reenlist, or what? How did he go from C-Sec to Omega? That's a story I want to see! (and am trying to write, but it's hard).

Garrus (and Tali/Wrex/Kadien/Ash) were there on Ilos, and so they know about the Reapers without needing to take it on blind faith. Unless Garrus wasn't recruited in ME1... then he does. See what I eman about it changing the entire nature of their realtionship? lol

I find the point about turians and their 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one'  (I know - I'm quoting Star Trek to paraphrase. You all know what I mean ) attitude really interesting. I do think that that is one of the reasons Garrus blames himself so harshly for his team's death. However, I'm not sure how much Garrus buys into the turian ideals in the ways expected of him. I think he wants to, but as he says "a good turian hears a bad order, he follows it." Garrus does not. I guess I mean that I think that the turian ideal only partly informs his attitude and personality. I think when it came down to it, he could skip over the hierarchy and structure, and make his own choices (in fact, he sort of already did, by leaving his C-Sec duties and going to Omega). Of course, he's always doing it for the greater good, so I don't know. I don't think Garrus really fits in with the rest of his people. He's too independantly minded.

@BlazenGlazen. I don't think he was 'pretending to be Shepard'. I think he was trying to find his own path, and it lead him to fight injustice in the darkest corners of the galaxy. He's always hated injustice....

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I guess that came out wrong. But he did admit that what he was doing on omega was similar to how shepard gathered his/her team. But my main point is that i don't think that garrus would just drop off the grid or disappear from shepard once the main threat is over even if he does want to live his life on his own.

[Pacifien]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
I guess that came out wrong. But he did admit that what he was doing on omega was similar to how shepard gathered his/her team. But my main point is that i don't think that garrus would just drop off the grid or disappear from shepard once the main threat is over even if he does want to live his life on his own.

I also don't think Garrus would drop off the grid or disappear once the main threat is over.

[janeym27]

Pacifien wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
I guess that came out wrong. But he did admit that what he was doing on omega was similar to how shepard gathered his/her team. But my main point is that i don't think that garrus would just drop off the grid or disappear from shepard once the main threat is over even if he does want to live his life on his own.

I also don't think Garrus would drop off the grid or disappear once the main threat is over.

Me neither  (unless Shepard was dead. That might mess LI Garrus up enough to require his taking some time and space away from it all for a bit, but other than that...)

[Twilight_Princess]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I guess that came out wrong. But he did admit that what he was doing on omega was similar to how shepard gathered his/her team. But my main point is that i don't think that garrus would just drop off the grid or disappear from shepard once the main threat is over even if he does want to live his life on his own.

likewise I doubt shepard would just retire or leave everyone once the reaper threat is done with. If Garrus does go , depending on the direction you steered him in, it wouldn't be a permenant thing. I can definately see him leaving to better himself for closure's sake (becoming a spectre for example) but coming back to remain at shepard's side. We've have seen Garrus as a "student", then a confident badass but still unsure of himself and his judgments. So it would make sense for him to come into his own in ME3 and deciding who he really wants to be.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

lurking in deviantart and found some nice pics.

[kglaser]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Besides, I like to think that him successfully leading the fire team during the SM goes a long way towards restoring his belief in his own abilities as well.

I never thought of that.  And he is superb at that job, too.

[praetor_alpha]

I don't really see any loyal team member leaving, especially not Garrus. Not after he said that he trusts Shep more than anyone else. If everyone abandoned Shepard, Garrus would be right there following.

[Re_spawNZ7]

Hey Clan V...just stopping by.
Found this and thought you might like it - apologies if it is a repeat.

[Lemonwizard]

kglaser wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Besides, I like to think that him successfully leading the fire team during the SM goes a long way towards restoring his belief in his own abilities as well.

I never thought of that.  And he is superb at that job, too.

It's true, just listen to the dialogue during that first part. All the other team leaders are like "Oh snap, we have X problem!" a bunch of times. Garrus is like "Yeah, we're good!" every time he reports in.

[kglaser]

Sialater wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Yeah. That female turian was in the military, damnit. Would be even more hypocrite to say if your Shep punched that reporter.

I never took that line that way.  I thought it was more Shep acknowledging Garrus' BAMF status, not being sexist. 

I agree with you on this Sialater.  I took it as Shepard giving him a compliment, trying to support his ego a little.

[Twilight_Princess]

Lemonwizard wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Besides, I like to think that him successfully leading the fire team during the SM goes a long way towards restoring his belief in his own abilities as well.

I never thought of that.  And he is superb at that job, too.

It's true, just listen to the dialogue during that first part. All the other team leaders are like "Oh snap, we have X problem!" a bunch of times. Garrus is like "Yeah, we're good!" every time he reports in.

When I first played ME2 I remember being SO proud when Garrus kept the whole team alive, I didn't read any spoilers so I had no idea if choosing garrus was "right" or not. I hope you get to choose leadership roles in the next game, its so cool watching Garrus issue commands!

[kglaser]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Meh, can't fix stupid.

Yes but you can confuse stupid, much more enjoyable

Quote of the day!

[janeym27]

Once again,th thread picks up again juuuuust as I'm goign to bed (and way past my bedtime as well).



I agree with 2nd fire team leader comment. Actually, Garrus' confidence comes back simply by being on Shepard's team. By the IFF, he's calling Shep on his choices and everything! lol

("You know the risks. That's all I'm going to say." still one of my favourite character moments).



It's not only that he's awesome at it (unless unloyal, but why would you do that? Gut shot death is saddening), but he's the only where if you pick him, everyone is happy with your choice. Even a begrudging Miranda. They recognise the BAMF.

[kglaser]

aynxalot wrote...


artist: ariscards. This is coming along AWESOME.

I love that picture.  So very much. <3