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[Kim Shepard]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The instant the word "fraternization" got dropped I started panicking on my first playthrough because I wanted to romance Garrus and I was like "on no, not the Kaidan trap again!" But if you play a dudeshep Jacob says the exact same thing there. He doesn't mean it in a sexual way at all.

That's good to know. After about two conversations, I stopped talking to him with my FemShep because I thought it would mess up the Garrus romance later on.

The rule with Jacob is don't pick the "paragon" options.  Pick the neutral middle ones and you should be fine.  Then he treats you just like dudeshep.

Thanks for the advice. Now I should be able to talk to him the next time I play FemShep. The Shepard in my current playthrough is a guy, so at least I'll get to hear what the "harmless" conversation options sound like.

[Collider]

No I haven't...from the things we've seen done in video games, particularly Mass Effect 2 in this case, I can't imagine there really being a texture problem. All of the alien romances were without any skin.That's probably the route they wanted - the Miranda and Jacob romances were to be the "sexy" and physically revealing ones.

Modifié par Collider, 15 mai 2010 - 08:50 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Yeah, I can accept that it was just the dramatic choice they took, and that's fine. The scene is about as long as any of the other romance scenes. But yeah, anytime they do disrobe the characters, you got to remember that that's an entire second mesh and set of textures they made, and disrobing any of the alien characters would mean cementing their anatomy in the Mass Effect universe, which would likely involve a fair amount more tweaking and re-tweaking than just making human forms.

[Collider]

That is a good point Ray. There would be some obstacles in the way to show say more Garrus skin. But I find it amusing that the 4romance scenes that show the least amount of skin are better than those two that comparatively show a lot.

Modifié par Collider, 15 mai 2010 - 09:23 .

[Collider]

I agree - it was the for the best. And it really shows. Miranda's romance scene had no dialog (unless you count the uh..."I cleared the engine room"), Jacob's had terrible porno dialog.



In contrast the other 4 romances have good, emotional dialog that really shows off their personalities and the uniqueness of their romance.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

I agree - it was the for the best. And it really shows. Miranda's romance scene had no dialog (unless you count the uh..."I cleared the engine room"), Jacob's had terrible porno dialog.

In contrast the other 4 romances have good, emotional dialog that really shows off their personalities and the uniqueness of their romance.

I agree as well. Miranda and Jacob are, in their own right, interesting characters, but their shallows seem like transparent attempt at fan service at best (granted, Tali and Garrus are fan service in their own way).

Got to wonder though... how could the engine room be more private than either Shepard's cabin or hers? There's frakking cameras down there!

[Collider]

Garrus and Tali's romances were fanservice (although Tali was considered as a love interest in ME1 but that got cut), sure, but that fanservice was meaningful. In contrast, like you said, the fanservice in Miranda and Jacob's romance scenes are rather meaningless with their skin which seems to have been there to the detriment of the dialog.

As for Miranda, no real idea. Ultimately I think it was chosen so they had larger room for a rough and wild sex scene that they could advertise (which they did) for the male gamer demographic.

Modifié par Collider, 15 mai 2010 - 10:00 .

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Garrus and Tali's romances were fanservice (although Tali was considered as a love interest in ME1 but that got cut), sure, but that fanservice was meaningful. In contrast, like you said, the fanservice in Miranda and Jacob's romance scenes are rather meaningless with their skin which seems to have been there to the detriment of the dialog.

As for Miranda, no real idea. Ultimately I think it was chosen so they had larger room for a rough and wild sex scene that they could advertise (which they did) for the male gamer demographic.

TBH, while she certainly gets more press, most of the people I know and have met (both online and off) prefer Jack or Tali. Same goes for Jacob vs. Garrus and Thane.

[Nivenus]

To be clear, I didn't mean "sexual" fanservice. There's more than one kind, though typically the others get overwhelmed and overshadowed by the erotic kind.

[Collider]

Tali and Garrus are fanservice but the reason fans when crazy for them was for their personality as much as the way they look. Heck, the Tali guys don't even know what the heck she looks like (hips aside.) I think that's one of the things that makes the fanservice here a little more meaningful. It's "personality" fanservice for lack of a better term.

Oh, when I say fanservice in regards to Tali and Garrus I didn't mean that in a bad light. The entire ME2 game is fan service - they listened to the fans and we don't have that horrible ME1 inventory for example. The romances were not a disservice to the Garrus and Tali characters, so in this way I believe this was positive fanservice.

And yes you are probably right on the reason Bioware put things in the engine room but I have heard one in-game explanation that I thought was pretty plausible. Shep and Miranda are both alpha dog types and they would both frown on the other trying to dominate. They have got to carefully approach things as equals. If the scene had happened in either of their quarters it would give one of them a "home field advantage" or possibly been seen as one surrendering to the other. Therefore, some kind of neutral ground like the engine room was probably best for a first encounter.



Mostly I agree Bioware just stuck the scene in there to make it exotic and racy, but that explanation above is about the best I have seen to try to justify it in-game. With all the other LIs it makes sense the romance would have to culminate in the captain's quarters as they either sleep in communal areas or they just have army cots....

Yea... but I would hope that Shepard and Miranda would be wise enough to know that choosing one bedroom or the other means absolutely nothing. Still, it's a better explanation quality wise, if speculative.

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

To be clear, I didn't mean "sexual" fanservice. There's more than one kind, though typically the others get overwhelmed and overshadowed by the erotic kind.

Jacob and Miranda romance scenes = sexual fanservice
Tali and Garrus romance = fanservice
I think that's what you mean and I agree. The entirety of ME2 is fanservice in many ways so the word itself in that context may matter less. The thing with Tali and Garrus is that their romance brought no detriment to the character - which is good. With Jacob and Miranda the detriment was bad dialog or no dialog, which is bad.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

To be clear, I didn't mean "sexual" fanservice. There's more than one kind, though typically the others get overwhelmed and overshadowed by the erotic kind.

Jacob and Miranda romance scenes = sexual fanservice
Tali and Garrus romance = fanservice
I think that's what you mean and I agree. The entirety of ME2 is fanservice in many ways so the word itself in that context may matter less. The thing with Tali and Garrus is that their romance brought no detriment to the character - which is good. With Jacob and Miranda the detriment was bad dialog or no dialog, which is bad.

Yes.

And to be clear, even a little sexual fanservice isn't bad. It's only when it gets so over-the-top blatant and in-your-face everywhere that it gets downright irritating.

Modifié par Nivenus, 15 mai 2010 - 10:21 .

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

Garrus and Tali's romances were fanservice (although Tali was considered as a love interest in ME1 but that got cut), sure, but that fanservice was meaningful. In contrast, like you said, the fanservice in Miranda and Jacob's romance scenes are rather meaningless with their skin which seems to have been there to the detriment of the dialog.

As for Miranda, no real idea. Ultimately I think it was chosen so they had larger room for a rough and wild sex scene that they could advertise (which they did) for the male gamer demographic.

TBH, while she certainly gets more press, most of the people I know and have met (both online and off) prefer Jack or Tali. Same goes for Jacob vs. Garrus and Thane.

I had a different experience my self. Everyone I know offline who's played the game went for Miranda. Online Tali and Jack seemed to be more popular. My reasoning for this is that the more casual crowd likely went for Miranda, whereas the less casual crowd went for Tali or Jack more frequently - and the less casual crowd are more likely to go on the internet and talk about the game beyond cheats or help with some boss.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

Garrus and Tali's romances were fanservice (although Tali was considered as a love interest in ME1 but that got cut), sure, but that fanservice was meaningful. In contrast, like you said, the fanservice in Miranda and Jacob's romance scenes are rather meaningless with their skin which seems to have been there to the detriment of the dialog.

As for Miranda, no real idea. Ultimately I think it was chosen so they had larger room for a rough and wild sex scene that they could advertise (which they did) for the male gamer demographic.

TBH, while she certainly gets more press, most of the people I know and have met (both online and off) prefer Jack or Tali. Same goes for Jacob vs. Garrus and Thane.

I had a different experience my self. Everyone I know offline who's played the game went for Miranda. Online Tali and Jack seemed to be more popular. My reasoning for this is that the more casual crowd likely went for Miranda, whereas the less casual crowd went for Tali or Jack more frequently - and the less casual crowd are more likely to go on the internet and talk about the game beyond cheats or help with some boss.

YMMV. One of my brothers is very much a casual gamer (the other's a lot more hardcore than me) but he seems to prefer Tali and Jack to Miranda. Of course, he also values a good story in a game, but I don't think that's necessarily unusual among casual gamers.

[Chimervera]

I was going through the OP today, and I noticed that there are a lot of broken links. Most of the Advice!Garrus' are gone Specifically:
Advice!Garrus: Anaphylactic Shock
Advice!Garrus: Bureaucratic Crap
Advice!Garrus: Finding Criminals
Advice!Garrus: Gunship
Advice!Garrus: Keep Skills Sharp
Advice!Garrus: Liquid Sugar
Advice!Garrus: Mordor
Advice!Garrus: Sky Rockets
Advice!Garrus: Sweet Time
Advice!Garrus: Science Says
Advice!Garrus: Garrus Is...

Does anyone have these? If so, can you link them? Thanks in advance!
We're also missing "PS3 Garrus Theme courtesy of Der_Kreigmeister". Does that still exist?

Why am I asking? Well, a few days ago I was looking through the OP for a screenshot and kept getting broken links. The general disorganised state of the OP was starting to get to me, and I thought remembered a mention that we didn't have the latest version of the BBCode, since Meta left. So I, uh, started re-compiling the OP ^^;;
All I've changed are the broken links and some general formatting, but I figure once I'm done, I can host it on my site for easy reference in case the thread gets shut down.

I'm productive when I procrastinate

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 mai 2010 - 10:46 .

[Collider]

I'd suggest asking Stanley Woo or javier to consider locking the thread so someone else (like Eradyn or an active person) can remake it.

[Chimervera]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I've actually thought about asking the devs if we can start a new thread specifically so we can get somebody who will actually tend to the OP in some decent fashion. Or I think Eradyn has the second post so I've also wondered if we could talk her into treating that like an OP and just ignoring the real OP altogether.

There's been discussion about that before, but so far nothing has come from it.

While Eradyn does have the second post, people would still have to scroll past Meta's OP to see it - unless we can somehow convince Meta to come back and edit her OP so it's blank, but I don't know if that's possible.

[Chimervera]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

That or maybe we should simplify the OP in future and give just a little data and then provide a link to where we keep the bulk of the material and then more than one person should have access to that and be able to edit it. That way if someone goes AWOL somebody else can still provide updates.

Yeah, we could put the screenshots, videos, wishlist, banner, motivationals, Advice!Garrus and LOL!Garrus in a group like Eradyn did with the fanfiction, fanart and quotes. It would certainly make it a lot smaller!

Hells, I approve of this idea if only because it will make it neater, and I get a little obsessive with neat-ness

Also, here's what I've done so far. The only thing I've actually changed is deleting most of the dead links and the opening so that it'll fit better when it's put into a thread.

EDIT: Here's the code. I'll make sure to keep it up to date until it's used in the eventual new thread (and even then I'll keep it up there as long as I control the site, if the new OP wants me to)

ADDITIONAL EDIT: Splitting all those sections into threads on the group means ten threads, and there are only ten spaces on each page of the group. Maybe if we were to do that, we should create a new group specifically for thread business instead of cluttering up the group? Or is everyone in that group a participant in the thread? I wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone.

TURIAN LOVER OF ADDITIONAL EDIT: Actually, the more I think about it the better a "Clan Vakarian" group sounds. Not only could we use it to trim the OP, but we could send any big off-topic discussions there so they could be continued without having to worry about risking the wrath of the Woo and that way we're not cluttering up any of the other groups, only our own.

What do you think? Am I thinking about this too much (or too early)? Should I just shut up and stop embarassing myself? Or is it actually a *gasp* good idea and should we set this into motion?

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 mai 2010 - 12:10 .