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[Nilfalasiel]

I just saw those hat pics. Kaidan, Samara and Grunt had me in stitches

Concerning the romances, I agree that Miranda and Jacob were most likely introduced for the casual crowd, since those are probably also the same people who would be icked by the prospect of an alien LI. That would also be why Miranda's and Jacob's romances scenes were the most explicit ones. I'd imagine there would've been a few very vocal opposers if Garrus', Tali's or Thane's scenes had been more explicit. Especially Garrus' one, since he's the most "exotic" looking of the LIs. I think that's just as plausible a reason as the "it would be too much hassle to create a separate character model" one.

Another thing worth noting. MaleShep only gets one alien LI, who still has a very human-like figure, if you disregard the legs and the 3 fingers. FemShep gets 2, one of which has a human-like figure. Were they afraid that male gamers would be put off by a female equivalent of Garrus? Did they think female gamers would be more tolerant/adventurous/deviant? That being said, I'm pretty sure Thane was introduced as a fallback for those female gamers who'd think that Garrus would be taking it a step too far in the alienness department. It's like Thane is the equivalent of Tali for females. 

With all that in mind, it's really not surprising that Garrus' romance scene is the tamest of the lot: there are a lot of people out there who can't wrap their minds around the idea of a FemShep/Garrus pairing. I've seen someone on GameFAQs (yes, I know...) complaining that there was "too much alien sex" in ME2, even after having it pointed out to them that the human romance scenes were much raunchier (which isn't saying much...) than the alien ones, that the romance had a minimal place in the story, and that no one was forcing them to romance an alien LI anyway.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 mai 2010 - 12:00 .

[Cerrydd]

Chimervera wrote...

Advice!Garrus: Anaphylactic Shock
Advice!Garrus: Liquid Sugar

Well, I made those two so I remade them:

Anaphylactic Shock
Liquid Sugar

I think I still remember some of the others... let me think, let me think.

I actually like the hugeness of the OP. It has a lot of information for newcomers. But I agree we have to fix the broken links though, because that's not very neat . I'm sure you can PM Meta to ask if she can delete/adjust the OP.

I'm not a big fan of groups, I prefer the thread. When a topic in a group becomes large, you have to click next page next page next page to get to the last page. The pages in this thread are numbered and easier. Also, I don't fear the wrath of Woo, because we are very on-topic. Maybe a private Clan V group for the regulars? Although that's not very handy when you want to link to information there....

Oh well, I'm not an organized person, so I'll leave it up to you girls . Lead and I'll follow. Right behind you, Garrusfans.

Edit: if my memory is better than I expected, some of the other Advice!Garrus posters went something like this:

Finding Criminals
Keep Skills Sharp
Mordor
Sweet Time
Science Says

Modifié par Cerrydd, 15 mai 2010 - 12:49 .

[Chimervera]

Cerrydd wrote...

Chimervera wrote...

Advice!Garrus: Anaphylactic Shock
Advice!Garrus: Liquid Sugar

Well, I made those two so I remade them:

Anaphylactic Shock
Liquid Sugar

I think I still remember some of the others... let me think, let me think.

Yay! Thank you! Updated the list.

I actually like the hugeness of the OP. It has a lot of information for newcomers. But I agree we have to fix the broken links though, because that's not very neat . I'm sure you can PM Meta to ask if she can delete/adjust the OP.

I'm not a big fan of groups, I prefer the thread. When a topic in a group becomes large, you have to click next page next page next page to get to the last page. The pages in this thread are numbered and easier. Also, I don't fear the wrath of Woo, because we are very on-topic. Maybe a private Clan V group for the regulars? Although that's not very handy when you want to link to information there....

Oh well, I'm not an organized person, so I'll leave it up to you girls . Lead and I'll follow. Right behind you, Garrusfans.

My thoughts were more along the lines of  keep the information in the OP, just move the screenshots, videos, wishlist, banners, motivationals, Advice!Garrus and LOL!Garrus - but in the case of those last three, leave the example pic and have the list in the group thread, instead of just having a link. It creates a shorter, more manageable OP that needs very little - if any - updating, and everyting that would be moved is still easily accessible. And while we don't often go off topic, it might be good to have the option there as a "just in case" measure.

Of course there's still the chance that this is a horrible idea and I should be flogged

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 mai 2010 - 12:56 .

[Bugsie]

Cerrydd wrote...

Liquid Sugar

Risky delicacy indeed - but the priizzzeee.......

sorry I just had to say it

[Cerrydd]

Chimervera wrote...

Of course there's still the chance that this is a horrible idea and I should be flogged

Death by headshot for you, ma'am.

Nah, I think that should work. One suggestion though: add a link to Riot's screenshots. ME1 screenshots can be found here. The ME2 screenshots are somewhere else, it has been posted not too long ago. I'll search for it.

And check the edit in my previous post for more Advices

[Chimervera]

Cerrydd wrote...

One suggestion though: add a link to Riot's screenshots. ME1 screenshots can be found here. The ME2 screenshots are somewhere else, it has been posted not too long ago. I'll search for it.

And check the edit in my previous post for more Advices

So far I've been more focused on getting the links in the old OP working, but now that I've done all I can do for now I'll add that in - thanks for the link, now I don't have to go back and find them! I have a link to the ME2 shots, though, so you don't need to go looking

And again, thanks for the Advices!

EDIT: Updated, and code!
I should go looking for all the banners next
Edit: On second thoughts, I think I'll go to bed before I fall asleep on my keyboard. Goodnight, Clan Vakarian.

Modifié par Chimervera, 15 mai 2010 - 01:29 .

[WarlordFil]

I think Jacob is on the rebound from Miranda and that's why all he seems to care about is sex. Really, Jacob--either get over your ex, or better yet, go patch things up with her while I go kiss some aliens



I think Garrus' rejection scene is important in the fact that it says so much about his character, namely, his loyalty. You can tell he's devastated but the last thing he says to her isn't angry or even an expression of his sorrow, it's a reiteration of his promise to be there for her, no matter what she's done to him. That, to me, is the final proof he loves her.

[Xsause]

Did this for the lulz.

[Pacifien]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
You can still gain Zaeed's loyalty even if you take the Paragon route. Need to meet the morality check for it, though. Easier to do the sooner you do the mission, I think.

Really?  Why would it get harder later?

So going back a couple pages and not Garrus related, but useful knowledge.

Whether or not paragon and renegade choices show up depends on the choices you've been making in the game up until that particular morality check comes up. It's based on a percentage as well. Say the check on Zaeed's mission requires 70% paragon choices. If you had the option of getting 100 paragon points up until that point and you've managed to rack up 70 paragon points, you pass the check. If, however, you've been playing the game longer and you've had the option of getting 200 paragon points, but only managed to rack up 120 paragon points, you won't hit the 70% mark needed to pass the check.

For those who've had problems with the Miranda/Jack or Tali/Legion confrontations, this percentage check is the key to opening up the paragon/renegade options. Easier to get the earlier you play the game because the amount of paragon/renegade points available to you are less.

This means if you had a paragon or renegade option pop up and ignored it, your percentage will lower. This also means if you imported a character from ME1, you get the boost from the paragon/renegade decisions from that game which will give you some leeway on meeting the morality checks in ME2.

I'm not 100% sure I've got the details correct, but I'm pretty sure this is close to how it works.

[Pacifien]

WarlordFil wrote...
I think Jacob is on the rebound from Miranda and that's why all he seems to care about is sex. Really, Jacob--either get over your ex, or better yet, go patch things up with her while I go kiss some aliens

Aw, I gotta stick up for poor Jacob a little. I don't think whatever he would have had with Shepard would have been true love, but his conversations with her up until the romance scene do show that he at least liked Shepard and cared about her.

Just think Garrus and/or Thane had much deeper feelings for Shepard. Guess it depends on whether Shepard wants something casual but safe at that point or something deep but potentially gutwrenching. Love is a dangerous emotion with the lives these people lead.

[kglaser]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Kotori Ky wrote...

Actually, the codex points out that there are devices that most everyone uses that translate languages. Shepard, when talking to Thane, says that her translator must have slipped when he calls her "Siha".... I mean, not all species talk the same way... as in like... the Hanar use light in the communication. Some might not be able to speak in a way humans or similar beings can understand. The use of mechanical translators makes the most sense... just have to calibrate them for each new species. (Reminds me of the Chanar books...)

Yea, this is what I assumed was going on too.  Thanks for reminding me of that Thane bit.  I had forgotten about it.  Anyway, that's what makes me wonder what Garrus would sound like without the translator. I bet it would be extremely alien, not just like hearing a foreign language but something even wilder than that.

I concur.  Something unimaginable.  Gah, now I'm going to obsess over trying to imagine it.

[kglaser]

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I just thought of something really weird and pretty off-topic. If you have no ME1 LI (no picture on desk in ME2) and you don't pursue a ME2 LI, what does Shep do pre-Omega 4? No scene at all I expect.

Cry into his/her pillow

I've heard that Shep does nothing, there's no scene.

Yeah but at least then you could talk to Mordin and get that line from him about how if he would try humans, he would try her, or something like that...right?

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Yea, this is what I assumed was going on too.  Thanks for reminding me of that Thane bit.  I had forgotten about it.  Anyway, that's what makes me wonder what Garrus would sound like without the translator. I bet it would be extremely alien, not just like hearing a foreign language but something even wilder than that.

I concur.  Something unimaginable.  Gah, now I'm going to obsess over trying to imagine it.

I was thinking about it the other day. I decided the flanging vocal cords could allow for two bits of information being relayed at one time, but it has to be translated as one thought to the human ears. Imagine two sentences being spoken at the same time.

I also think Turians would make for excellent throat singers.

[Pacifien]

kglaser wrote...
Yeah but at least then you could talk to Mordin and get that line from him about how if he would try humans, he would try her, or something like that...right?

I love the slightly hesistant, slightly confused, mostly monotone response Shepard can give to Mordin for that.

[Xsause]

kglaser wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I just thought of something really weird and pretty off-topic. If you have no ME1 LI (no picture on desk in ME2) and you don't pursue a ME2 LI, what does Shep do pre-Omega 4? No scene at all I expect.

Cry into his/her pillow

I've heard that Shep does nothing, there's no scene.

Yeah but at least then you could talk to Mordin and get that line from him about how if he would try humans, he would try her, or something like that...right?

LOL, they should've made Mordin come to Shepard's room if he/she didn't romance anyone. And then he just royally dumps him/her even though they never had anything going.

[NORMANDY, SHEPARD'S CABIN]

*SHEPARD is relaxing on his/her sofa, eyes closed*

*The door suddenly opens, scaring the living daylights out of SHEPARD. MORDIN enters and sits down next to him/her*

SHEPARD: Mordin! What are you doing--

MORDIN: Sorry, Shepard. Unable to continue this charade.

SHEPARD: What are you talking ab--

MORDIN: Suprised by your persistence. Kept making moves on me even after I turned you down gently.

SHEPARD: I never--

MORDIN: Care for you, Shepard. As close friend. But...too many differences between our species. Lack of sex drive. Not interested in trying humans.

SHEPARD: That's just--

MORDIN: Know this breaks your heart. Didn't mean to put it so rudely.

SHEPARD: Mordin, I think you're--

MORDIN: Talk to Garrus. Thane. Jacob./Talk to Miranda. Jack. Tali. Seem interested in you. Human/turian and human/drell relationships / Even human/quarian relationships simply more...compatible than human/salarian relationships. Proper...parts present.

SHEPARD: But I--

MORDIN: Goodbye, Shepard. Thank you for including me.

*MORDIN stands up and walks away, leaving a confused SHEPARD just sitting there*

SHEPARD: What was that all about?

Modifié par Xsause, 15 mai 2010 - 02:39 .

[kglaser]

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

[Xsause]

kglaser wrote...

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

That story was amazing.

For anyone who wants to read it, here's a link.

Modifié par Xsause, 15 mai 2010 - 03:05 .

[kglaser]

Xsause wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

That story was amazing.

For anyone who wants to read it, here's a link.

Right after I read it I had to read one of your funny pieces to cheer myself up.  Heh, it worked.

[Xsause]

kglaser wrote...

Xsause wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

That story was amazing.

For anyone who wants to read it, here's a link.

Right after I read it I had to read one of your funny pieces to cheer myself up.  Heh, it worked.

I'm glad I could help! :happy:

Modifié par Xsause, 15 mai 2010 - 03:18 .

[kglaser]

I wouldn't even know where to begin. There is some really good smut out there. I think I tried to write a smutty story once, but then I got upset because someone stole my "clever" title for their story while I was writing it and I quit. LOL

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Damn it....why did to i wake up to read that fanfic? I need to do something cheer me up now.

[Xsause]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Damn it....why did to i wake up to read that fanfic? I need to do something cheer me up now.

Maybe a MaleShepxHanar crackfic will cheer you up.

Modifié par Xsause, 15 mai 2010 - 03:52 .

[Steel Dancer]

Xsause wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

That story was amazing.

For anyone who wants to read it, here's a link.

oh. *deep breath* that was very emotional. Caught me off guard.

Xsause wrote...

Maybe a MaleShepxHanar crackfic will cheer you up.

And that really helped. Tank ya kindly. 

[Xsause]

kglaser wrote...

I wouldn't even know where to begin. There is some really good smut out there. I think I tried to write a smutty story once, but then I got upset because someone stole my "clever" title for their story while I was writing it and I quit. LOL

I once wrote an intentionally bad smut scene for my intentionally bad FemShepxGarrus marriage crackfic. And in the end I concluded that the fanfiction.net readers think stories that make absolutely no sense and reek of Did Not Do The Research are okay, but bad smut scenes!? Oh GOD no. I got 3 bad reviews on that particular chapter. Made me so proud, even though I had hoped for more bad reviews (yes, I am a crazy person).

Modifié par Xsause, 15 mai 2010 - 04:01 .

[janeym27]

Harking back a couple of pages to the translation thing:
 
Maybe turians (and other races) can ‘choose’ their intergalactic name, rather than simply have the translator make an approximation. A guy I worked with is from Cameroon, and he uses a totally different name in the UK, because his real name is very long and difficult to pronounce for native English speakers. He said he preferred it to listening to people struggle and get it wrong. (Amusing as that was at times .)
 
The translator thing is something I’d rather they hadn’t drawn all that much attention to, to be honest. When I try to puzzle out the logistics, it takes me out of the universe to an extent. I try to work out exactly how it would work, and it is a bit mind-bending. Like, the magic data-pad translator thing. I’m assuming the translator is an implant? Also, even within human languages, it is impossible sometimes to translate an idea or an expression exactly into a different language. Even bi-lingual speakers will tell you that you cannot always find the right way to convey certain expressions. Now, couple that with the even larger social and cultural differences involved with dealing with alien species, not to mention biology which just prevents the same methods of communication as a species would be used to, and you have a lot of opportunity for mistranslation and error. There is an element of intuition involved when humans are translating, so a programme would need to be almost an AI to do the job effectively. (Do we have a codex entry for who developed the translator technology? I shall search when I get home). Gah! You see why it takes me out of the game?
 I have a recurring nightmare (well, vivid dream) of waking up somewhere totally strange (usually back in time somewhere) where no one speaks English, I can’t speak the language there, and so it’s all misunderstanding. It’s actually become a bit of a fear of mine. Lol.
 
Re: the romance scene conclusion. I like to view the headbump as more than just they wouldn’t/couldn’t show more skin. I think since the run up to the encounter Garrus is very focused on the sex as ‘blowing off steam’ bit. We know that sex without love is fine for him, but when the emotions and feelings come into play, he’s more vulnerable. By the time he makes it up to Shepard’s room, he has assessed his feelings for her, and is on the verge of opening up emotionally (for all he’s been through, he doesn’t really express his feelings to Shepard about anything other than his anger. We know he is hurting, but he holds back on the outpouring of emotion. He’s not much of a ‘talker’ in that regard) but Shepard silences him with a touch. Now he is finally able to open up to her, he doesn’t need to because they both know what would be said. Both ways. In that moment, emotionally, they are more intimate than they have ever been before. I think showing much more would have detracted from that, for me. But that’s just IMO. (of course, once that was out of the way, I know he rocked her world for the next 90 minutes or so).
 
Oh, re: the creepy turian assassin feeling up Tali in ME1. (I know this was umpteen pages ago) Just replayed that bit. Tali does not kill him. She blasts the salarian mercs, then joins you in the fire fight. In case anyone cares.

I have had a craptacular day, to round off a craptacluar (7 day work) week. I intend to go home, get a bottle of wine, and indulge in some of the fics you guys have just reccommended. Thanks. Happy hour, later?