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[janeym27]

Xsause wrote...

Really, some pairings I get requests for are kind of cute ("You humans are all racist!" turian/the customs officer he's arguing with, MaleShep/Mordin (not that hard to pull this pairing off, just have to stay true to salarian anatomy and customs), etc.).

But then I got a FemShepxRonald Taylor request.

And I went 

[Collider]

silentstephi wrote...

The more I play, the more I go... "Huh..."

I really get the feeling Garrus's dad was kind of an absent father.
Going over the conversation with him again about him being in C-Sec, and he says something like how his dad was hot stuff in C-Sec, growing up seeing his picture on all the vids.

Def get the feeling his pop wasn't there when he was growing up. At least not like a "normal" dad. More like a military one almost? (Speaking as a Navy Brat. XD)

I also got that vibe. Especially the "growing up seeing his picture on all the vids." That would be matter less if his father was prominently there for Garrus. Plus his father's sternness and disapproval doesn't seem to indicate that they were ever close.

[Pacifien]

I also get the feeling that Garrus's father was seemingly more dedicated to the job, but I also like to think his father set up a strong moral example for Garrus to aspire towards. While they might not have the closest parent/child relationship, I think there is a certain level of pride and respect between the two. Well, until Garrus dropped off the grid and went vigilante. I can sense his father's disappointment there.

[silentstephi]

Collider wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

The more I play, the more I go... "Huh..."

I really get the feeling Garrus's dad was kind of an absent father.
Going over the conversation with him again about him being in C-Sec, and he says something like how his dad was hot stuff in C-Sec, growing up seeing his picture on all the vids.

Def get the feeling his pop wasn't there when he was growing up. At least not like a "normal" dad. More like a military one almost? (Speaking as a Navy Brat. XD)

I also got that vibe. Especially the "growing up seeing his picture on all the vids." That would be matter less if his father was prominently there for Garrus. Plus his father's sternness and disapproval doesn't seem to indicate that they were ever close.

Then there's the comment about growing up hearing about his accomplishments, and seeing his pic on the vids.  Gah, I should probably turn the text back on, now that I don't need to take as many screenies...

But it's so much more immersive without the text... /lip quiver

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
I also got that vibe. Especially the "growing up seeing his picture on all the vids." That would be matter less if his father was prominently there for Garrus. Plus his father's sternness and disapproval doesn't seem to indicate that they were ever close.

I don't think his father would have disapproved of Garrus until Garrus left C-Sec. Up until then, Garrus might have been a bit of a hothead, but he was working in the same profession as his father and working on some top level cases. Well, a top level case. Against a Spectre. Papa Vakarian approves.

[Chimervera]

Xsause wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Oh my, against my better judgement I just read "The Hundred Year Distance" on fanfiction.net. It's a beautiful story, but be advised that if you read it you WILL cry. I can't even hardly see well enough to type this. :*(

That story was amazing.

For anyone who wants to read it, here's a link.

That was so sad And it was just what I needed today. Now I think it's time to eat my stash of alcohol-filled easter eggs.

I've added the new Advice!Garrus'. If anyone has "Bureaucratic Crap", "Gunship", "Sky Rockets" or "Garrus Is...", please send them my way. The Garrus PS3 theme is also missing, if anyone has that.

[kglaser]

janeym27 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Really, some pairings I get requests for are kind of cute ("You humans are all racist!" turian/the customs officer he's arguing with, MaleShep/Mordin (not that hard to pull this pairing off, just have to stay true to salarian anatomy and customs), etc.).

But then I got a FemShepxRonald Taylor request.

And I went 

I'd sooner read about Indiana Jones and Tom Riddle.

[silentstephi]

Pacifien wrote...

Collider wrote...
I also got that vibe. Especially the "growing up seeing his picture on all the vids." That would be matter less if his father was prominently there for Garrus. Plus his father's sternness and disapproval doesn't seem to indicate that they were ever close.

I don't think his father would have disapproved of Garrus until Garrus left C-Sec. Up until then, Garrus might have been a bit of a hothead, but he was working in the same profession as his father and working on some top level cases. Well, a top level case. Against a Spectre. Papa Vakarian approves.

Eh, I dunno.  I still get the feeling his dad wouldn't be happy either way.  He's techncally working on the case outside of C-Sec, with another Spectre.  Garrus even said his dad was more the type of "Do it right or don't do anything."  Which would make it seem like working for the problem to solve a problem is still a problem in his book.

I don't think he and his pop are close.  But I don't think they're estranged.  They're family.  I have a feeling, since we haven't been given any indication to the contrary, we can parellel that to human families in similar situations to get the same idea.

[kglaser]

Sialater wrote...

 My husband's grandfather died a few years ago, about two years after their 50th wedding anniversary.  Even now, his wife, my husband's grandmother, acts like she's half a person.   Maybe the fact that Shep and Garrus, or my husband's grandparents,  were together so long is what makes that hard.   And I think the author captured that well.  Two years or a hundred.... that's one awful separation.

True.  My grandfather died when he was 90 and my 83-year-old grandmother...changed, after that.  I'm totally convinced that when she died a year later, it was of a broken heart.
I am SO not looking forward to my husband dying on me.  Ugh, at least he quit smoking 12/1.

I feel compelled to leave this here--it's John Donne, from "A Valediction Forbidding Mourning".  I can't read it without tearing up, but it seems apropos:

Our two souls therefore, which are one, 
    Though I must go, endure not yet 
A breach, but an expansion, 
    Like gold to aery thinness beat. 

[janeym27]

kglaser wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

Really, some pairings I get requests for are kind of cute ("You humans are all racist!" turian/the customs officer he's arguing with, MaleShep/Mordin (not that hard to pull this pairing off, just have to stay true to salarian anatomy and customs), etc.).

But then I got a FemShepxRonald Taylor request.

And I went 

I'd sooner read about Indiana Jones and Tom Riddle.

No! I saw that one (I think you guys set me on the trail) and I was confused and befuddled and felt oh so dirty afterwards. 


So, yes, C-Sec. Papa V. I think that they aren't estranged in the sense of have had a falling out and don't talk anymore, but I don't think they see a lot of one another (Garrus' 2 years off the grid aside) . I think there is disapporval rather than resentment there.

[Collider]

Mukora wrote...

So... why is it that I can barely hear Garrus in ME1, yet, even when I keep the volume at the same level, it almost sounds like he's yelling in ME2?

ME1's sound engine was flawed.

[janeym27]

Mukora wrote...

So... why is it that I can barely hear Garrus in ME1, yet, even when I keep the volume at the same level, it almost sounds like he's yelling in ME2?

Because he's been a commander now, so he knows how to project. Also, he's much less reserved.

[janeym27]

Collider wrote...

Mukora wrote...

So... why is it that I can barely hear Garrus in ME1, yet, even when I keep the volume at the same level, it almost sounds like he's yelling in ME2?

ME1's sound engine was flawed.

Or this.

[Sialater]

kglaser wrote...

Sialater wrote...

 My husband's grandfather died a few years ago, about two years after their 50th wedding anniversary.  Even now, his wife, my husband's grandmother, acts like she's half a person.   Maybe the fact that Shep and Garrus, or my husband's grandparents,  were together so long is what makes that hard.   And I think the author captured that well.  Two years or a hundred.... that's one awful separation.

True.  My grandfather died when he was 90 and my 83-year-old grandmother...changed, after that.  I'm totally convinced that when she died a year later, it was of a broken heart.
I am SO not looking forward to my husband dying on me.  Ugh, at least he quit smoking 12/1.

I feel compelled to leave this here--it's John Donne, from "A Valediction Forbidding Mourning".  I can't read it without tearing up, but it seems apropos:

Our two souls therefore, which are one, 
    Though I must go, endure not yet 
A breach, but an expansion, 
    Like gold to aery thinness beat. 

Dylan Thomas for me:

http://www.bigeye.com/donotgo.htm

Do not go gentle into that good night,

Old age should burn and rage at close of day;

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,

Because their words had forked no lightning they

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright

Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,

And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight

Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,

Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Pacifien]

silentstephi wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I don't think his father would have disapproved of Garrus until Garrus left C-Sec. Up until then, Garrus might have been a bit of a hothead, but he was working in the same profession as his father and working on some top level cases. Well, a top level case. Against a Spectre. Papa Vakarian approves.

Eh, I dunno.  I still get the feeling his dad wouldn't be happy either way.  He's techncally working on the case outside of C-Sec, with another Spectre.  Garrus even said his dad was more the type of "Do it right or don't do anything."  Which would make it seem like working for the problem to solve a problem is still a problem in his book.

I was actually referring to Garrus's investigation into Saren before Garrus quit C-Sec to join Shepard. Papa Vakarian would approve of a C-Sec investigation into a Spectre. Think things might have been tense once Garrus decided C-Sec didn't cut it anymore. Then maybe things improved again once Garrus rejoined C-Sec after Sovereign's destruction. Then things probably soured even more once Garrus decided vigilantism was where it's at.

silentstephi wrote...
I don't think he and his pop are close.  But I don't think they're estranged.  They're family.  I have a feeling, since we haven't been given any indication to the contrary, we can parellel that to human families in similar situations to get the same idea.

Like you, I don't equate a parent and child not being close as being estranged. I think there was room for Garrus's father to still provide support for his son even if he wasn't always there. And I think there's still room for him to have some pride in what his son had accomplished and, hopefully, will accomplish. And I don't think Garrus resents his father. Disagree a bit with his father's strict adherence to the law, but not any "I hate you, dad! I hate you and your ideas and I'm gonna pierce my fringe, go barefaced and join a human punk rock band to spite you! I hate you!"

[silentstephi]

Pacifien wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I don't think his father would have disapproved of Garrus until Garrus left C-Sec. Up until then, Garrus might have been a bit of a hothead, but he was working in the same profession as his father and working on some top level cases. Well, a top level case. Against a Spectre. Papa Vakarian approves.

Eh, I dunno.  I still get the feeling his dad wouldn't be happy either way.  He's techncally working on the case outside of C-Sec, with another Spectre.  Garrus even said his dad was more the type of "Do it right or don't do anything."  Which would make it seem like working for the problem to solve a problem is still a problem in his book.

I was actually referring to Garrus's investigation into Saren before Garrus quit C-Sec to join Shepard. Papa Vakarian would approve of a C-Sec investigation into a Spectre. Think things might have been tense once Garrus decided C-Sec didn't cut it anymore. Then maybe things improved again once Garrus rejoined C-Sec after Sovereign's destruction. Then things probably soured even more once Garrus decided vigilantism was where it's at.

Ah, but I usually just hear about his reapplication to Spectre training, so I bet Papa V wasn't too pleased once Garrus quit C-Sec in my Shepard'verse.

Pacifien wrote...

silentstephi wrote...
I don't think he and his pop are close.  But I don't think they're estranged.  They're family.  I have a feeling, since we haven't been given any indication to the contrary, we can parellel that to human families in similar situations to get the same idea.

Like you, I don't equate a parent and child not being close as being estranged. I think there was room for Garrus's father to still provide support for his son even if he wasn't always there. And I think there's still room for him to have some pride in what his son had accomplished and, hopefully, will accomplish. And I don't think Garrus resents his father. Disagree a bit with his father's strict adherence to the law, but not any "I hate you, dad! I hate you and your ideas and I'm gonna pierce my fringe, go barefaced and join a human punk rock band to spite you! I hate you!"

I... I need to see this in drawn form.
THIS MUST HAPPEN.
/giggles inanely at the thought of this...

[LOLandStuff]

Angsty characters would have been such a pain. Brooding around the ship and pouting in a dark corner. Reminds me of japanese RPG where everyone has issues with everything surrounding them and it usually makes no sense at all.

There are some whining about how Garrus has daddy issues, that he was never there for him and when he was, he was too strict and trying to control his son or simply ignoring him. One of the reasons Garrus rebelled against his father and went on leaving C-Sec to join Shepard then go all vigilante on Omega.

[silentstephi]

So, random thought: I like to bring Garrus every where. Lead by example, that sort of thing.

Just did the Earthborn mini quest with Finch and the Reds, and I'm debating whether I want to just shoot Finch (which makes the Turian Guard all happy) or just tell him to go to hell, he's got nothing (which gives the Turian Guard ammo to defend you, but then he gets all pouty you don't shoot Finch.)



Either option nets you 9 Renegade. But I'm curious, do you get the email from the Reds if you don't shoot him? Is there anything that happens in ME2 regarding this little talk if you take either one of those Renegade options?

[Nivenus]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Angsty characters would have been such a pain. Brooding around the ship and pouting in a dark corner. Reminds me of japanese RPG where everyone has issues with everything surrounding them and it usually makes no sense at all.
There are some whining about how Garrus has daddy issues, that he was never there for him and when he was, he was too strict and trying to control his son or simply ignoring him. One of the reasons Garrus rebelled against his father and went on leaving C-Sec to join Shepard then go all vigilante on Omega.

Seriously? He mentions his father once IIRC.

[silentstephi]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Angsty characters would have been such a pain. Brooding around the ship and pouting in a dark corner. Reminds me of japanese RPG where everyone has issues with everything surrounding them and it usually makes no sense at all.
There are some whining about how Garrus has daddy issues, that he was never there for him and when he was, he was too strict and trying to control his son or simply ignoring him. One of the reasons Garrus rebelled against his father and went on leaving C-Sec to join Shepard then go all vigilante on Omega.

I can't see Garrus being all that emo.

I just got done watching most of Avatar the Last Airbender.
You want angst?  There's angst (I like that kind of angst.  It's juuuuuust enough to not be over bearing...)
Garrus cannot be called angsty.  Like... seriously...
But I think that's what makes the whole image of him yelling THAT at Papa V that makes it all the more hilarious. XD

"Pierce my fringe!"

[Sialater]

silentstephi wrote...

So, random thought: I like to bring Garrus every where. Lead by example, that sort of thing.
Just did the Earthborn mini quest with Finch and the Reds, and I'm debating whether I want to just shoot Finch (which makes the Turian Guard all happy) or just tell him to go to hell, he's got nothing (which gives the Turian Guard ammo to defend you, but then he gets all pouty you don't shoot Finch.)

Either option nets you 9 Renegade. But I'm curious, do you get the email from the Reds if you don't shoot him? Is there anything that happens in ME2 regarding this little talk if you take either one of those Renegade options?

No idea.  I always turned his ass in.

[LOLandStuff]

I couldn't watch Avatar because of all the angst. Those kids couldn't make a step without complaining.
www.youtube.com/watch 
But people just boohoo at anything and find the dumbest explanations.

[janeym27]

Sialater wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

So, random thought: I like to bring Garrus every where. Lead by example, that sort of thing.
Just did the Earthborn mini quest with Finch and the Reds, and I'm debating whether I want to just shoot Finch (which makes the Turian Guard all happy) or just tell him to go to hell, he's got nothing (which gives the Turian Guard ammo to defend you, but then he gets all pouty you don't shoot Finch.)

Either option nets you 9 Renegade. But I'm curious, do you get the email from the Reds if you don't shoot him? Is there anything that happens in ME2 regarding this little talk if you take either one of those Renegade options?

No idea.  I always turned his ass in.

I got a 'hello from the reds' email in ME2. Cannot remember what I did with Finch. Pretty sure I helped him...(makes sense, right?)

[LOLandStuff]

janeym27 wrote...

I got a 'hello from the reds' email in ME2. Cannot remember what I did with Finch. Pretty sure I helped him...(makes sense, right?)

On my maleShep I didn't help him, but I still got an email from him, saying something about how he knows I am doing something about the abductions and that his family or something has been taken.