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[KhemoZarDaz]

aynxalot wrote...

Okay. Lik I said, no XBox. Need outlet. So: Fanfic!

http://www.fanfictio...900/1/Precedent

/shameless self-promotion

I LURVE this!!!
....oh if only i had a talent for writing

[MarginalBeast]

Castanea wrote...

Am I being an oblivious idiot again.. But what dialogue are you talking about?....

The "You shot me" dialogue that you can hear right when you first meet Garrus in ME2.

[Castanea]

aynxalot wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Now you may all feel free to point fingers at me and call me a prude because I don't like porn or erotic fiction--or being linked to it without warning.  Just please have some consideration in the future that sometimes it might be a good idea to give us a heads up.  Yes?

No offense taken, and my apologies- I just wasn't thinking about that angle. I'll make certain everything is properly labeled in the future.

As for Castanea-

You have the conversation w/ Garrus about Saleon, then later after you steal the Normandy. Then sometime after that- but before the Ilos mission, of course, you talk to him again and he thanks you for bringing him along. Pump the conversation for all it's worth, and at the end he starts to say something, but cuts himself off at the pass. It's on Youtube- near the end of the vid (in fact, from a series of 3 that has almost all of the ME1 dialogue of his).

Oh! Thank you. I missed that in the playthroughs I did, I guess I didn't do as well at milking ME1 for Garrus conversation as I thought.

[Sialater]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Also, the "flirting" dialogue occurs when you tell him he shot you.  Though I guess it's not flirting so much as innuendo laden, like the heatsink line.

That dialogue may not have been supposed to be flirty, but it sure sounded like it to me. Sure he says the same thing to male Shepards, but it can be interpreted differently depending on which Shepard you're using. Same with the "some women like scars" line. ...It's like Garrus is flirting and he doesn't even realize it or something.

OK, I know it's just the Miranda icon, but I'm reading everything you say in her voice with the Austrailian accent. 

I don't think Garrus EVER realizes what he's actually saying until he says it.

[Castanea]

Interpretation is fun.....

...Is it sad that I just watched He's Just Not That Into You for the short scene that Brandon Keener is in?....

Modifié par Castanea, 02 mars 2010 - 11:58 .

[MarginalBeast]

Castanea wrote...

Oh! Thank you. I missed that in the playthroughs I did, I guess I didn't do as well at milking ME1 for Garrus conversation as I thought.

Well, he only does that if you don't sway him strongly enough in a particular direction (paragon or renegade). If you give Garrus neutral or mixed lines throughout the game, then he just stops after the "Thanks" part and doesn't mention Spectre training or anything like that.

[Brass_Buckles]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Oh! Thank you. I missed that in the playthroughs I did, I guess I didn't do as well at milking ME1 for Garrus conversation as I thought.

Well, he only does that if you don't sway him strongly enough in a particular direction (paragon or renegade). If you give Garrus neutral or mixed lines throughout the game, then he just stops after the "Thanks" part and doesn't mention Spectre training or anything like that.

Well he does say in ME2 that he's not good with shades of grey.  So he has better dialogue then if you make him completely paragon or completely renegade?  Will have to try that.

[KhemoZarDaz]

Castanea wrote...

Interpretation is fun.....

...Is it sad that I just watched He's Just Not That Into You for the short scene that Brandon Keener is in?....

Not at all! haha, i mean it's not like i can say i don't type in "Brandon Keener" to youtube every now and again just to get my daily dose of Garrus.

[Castanea]

KhemoZarDaz wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Interpretation is fun.....

...Is it sad that I just watched He's Just Not That Into You for the short scene that Brandon Keener is in?....

Not at all! haha, i mean it's not like i can say i don't type in "Brandon Keener" to youtube every now and again just to get my daily dose of Garrus.

Yay! I feel less creepy for obsesssing over Brandon's sexy voice. <3

And in regards to the dialogue conversation, AH! That explains it, I almost always play full paragon.

Modifié par Castanea, 03 mars 2010 - 12:10 .

[Castanea]

Lol, I feel bad as a renegade in general.

But the paragon scene that really got to me in ME2 was when you're standing between him killing Sidonis and you can see him with the sniper-scope on the back of your head. In my weird roleplayer mind I was just thinking, would my Shepard be doing this with any other character holding that sniper rifle? Would she trust any of the other companions short of maybe Tali from blowing her brains out?...



/endrant

[Ms Cherissa]

aynxalot wrote...

Sad that I find myself so invested in the 'soul' of a VG character....

Well, souls are ethereal, things made of belief and light. What else is a video game character made of?

[Splinter Cell 108]

I feel bad when playing Renegade. Especially when it comes to all the executions and stuff. Letting Garrus shoot Sidonis must feel bad especially if you think about it. Garrus is obviously not the kind of person that can easily forget things. He still blames himself for his squad and his work at C-Sec even if those things are in the past. I doubt he thinks that shooting Sidonis was the right thing to do, if he really thought it was the best thing to do then he would have done it no matter what.

There was no persuasion options or anything of the sort when it came to Sidonis, That probably means he knows it's wrong IMO. Besides Garrus has enough mistakes to deal with, he doesn't need one more thing to add to the list.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 03 mars 2010 - 12:27 .

[onibontan]

aynxalot wrote...

Speaking of Paragon/Renegade, is there anyone else who feels bad doing the Renegade stuff with him? I went Paragon with him the first time(s) through (ME1 through 2), and started my second going Renegade. And I get so into the game that I feel weird telling him things like "Yeah, it should feel good to kill bad people!" Even in the Dr. Saleon thing, I kept him from killing him and he got all on my case- "So he dies anyway. Can you tell me what the point of all of that was?" And all I want to tell him is "You have to be the better guy!"

Sad that I find myself so invested in the 'soul' of a VG character....

Don't feel ashamed of that ... I actually shed a few tears out of sheer relief that I could paragon him out of killing Sidonis and becoming a cold-blooded murderer. It's probably best not to think about how pathetic that is

[Brass_Buckles]

aynxalot wrote...

Speaking of Paragon/Renegade, is there anyone else who feels bad doing the Renegade stuff with him? I went Paragon with him the first time(s) through (ME1 through 2), and started my second going Renegade. And I get so into the game that I feel weird telling him things like "Yeah, it should feel good to kill bad people!" Even in the Dr. Saleon thing, I kept him from killing him and he got all on my case- "So he dies anyway. Can you tell me what the point of all of that was?" And all I want to tell him is "You have to be the better guy!"

Sad that I find myself so invested in the 'soul' of a VG character....

By ME2, it seems almost like he wants to be a paragon, but he's simply lost the ability to be the person he wants to be.  I guess I'd want to change my ways, too, if they ended up for me like they did for him on Omega--especially when he realizes that no matter what he's done to try to take down crime, he hasn't really put a dent in it.  The main reason I get that impression is that he has some extra dialogue if you spare Sidonis (even though he claims he doesn't want to talk about it).  Fail to spare Sidonis and he's silent until you get back to the ship and approach him.  He wants to be able to forgive someone he used to see as a friend--but how do you forgive someone who got your comrades slain like that?  Shepard helps him begin to forgive if he/she makes him spare Sidonis, and I think in a way that begins the path to Garrus healing those emotional scars.  Kill Sidonis and you're just giving him another scar, because now not only did he lose all those other friends, but he also had to kill the final one himself.

In ME1, there's no doubt that he's a renegade, even if he respects you and listens to your opinions.

Now you guys will probably disagree with me, but for all that Garrus has been loyal for two games, and has become Shepard's friend, I believe that he is also the most likely cast member to turn against Shepard.  He is renegade by his very nature, no matter how much talking to him you do to turn him paragon.  It doesn't even matter if he wants to be more paragon-like himself.  Consider where he went from ME1 to ME2.  He's gone from being hot-headed and eager to deal with crime to being very cold and calculating in dealing with criminals.  He's becoming what he hates so much in others.  His propensity toward vengeance is causing him to lean in Saren-like directions.  I'd like to see him in ME3 with a more forgiving, cautious personality because of what he has learned from Omega.  However, I think the experience is only going to make him harder and colder.  Even though I thought his romance was really cute and sweet, this idea of him becoming more and more cold-hearted makes me question what will become of that in ME3.  But, maybe if disaster is imminent with his character, we can still forestall it through dialogue/interrupts/etc.

[MarginalBeast]

I doubt that. Garrus is incredibly loyal to Shepard, trusts his/her judgement, respects him/her more than anyone, and wouldn't ever betray him/her regardless of romantic involvement or not. The only way he would is if Shepard suddenly did something drastic and sided with the Reapers, but that obviously isn't going to happen. And even if it did, then Garrus wouldn't be the only one to betray her I'll bet.

In my opinion, he is by and far the LEAST likely cast member to turn against Shepard. Plus, it would make his development over the past two games completely pointless. The writers wouldn't give us two chances to influence Garrus only to throw all of that out of the window in ME3. If anything, his ME2 loyalty mission has showed that he isn't as cold-hearted as he may seem (if you chose the paragon outcome, at least).

Besides, he isn't going to have a major role in ME3 anyway even if he is recruitable again. It would take something incredibly dramatic and major for him to betray Shepard, and that simply isn't going to happen unless it is directly tied into the plot. Perhaps if he has another "loyalty" mission in ME3, a possible betrayal could occur then because it would involve something very personal to Garrus. And if that's the case, I'm 99.9% certain that we'll be able to slap some sense into him.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 03 mars 2010 - 12:55 .

[cedardryad]

Quick question: Did it ever mention in the codex what age turians received their facial tattoos? I'm trying to do a comic(warning it probably will suck art wise) and I want to know if I should include facial markings since this will involve a young child turian. I'm going off the fact that they look cat like, so I would assume a baby/child turian would look like a kitten.

[Castanea]

I think that a 'confrontation' between the two would be possible, a disagreement over some sort of action taken by one or the other would be possible.

However, I think that total betrayal is a little extreme. But that's just me.

[snu55lepuff]

Anyone heard of a site called Zazzle.com ?



I for one, would buy 12 of a Garrus hoodie should Bioware decide to release one. However, I'm very skeptical that they'd make apparel for each character. I'm wondering if I could make a hoodie with the Archangel symbol on the sleeve or something kind of vague like that? I don't want to encroach on IP.



For the record I already have my Lithograph ordered and my N7 hoodie in the mail : D. I support Bioware.

[aznsoisauce]

Sorry, but what Garrus was doing on Omega did not translate to me as being cold-hearted. His vigilante ways don't stem from some sick desires to be violent. What I gathered from ME1 alone is that he stands for protecting those that cannot do that themselves - that's Paragon. "Paragade" or chaotic good is also acceptable.

"Cold hearted" is not.

[Sialater]

Castanea wrote...

Lol, I feel bad as a renegade in general.
But the paragon scene that really got to me in ME2 was when you're standing between him killing Sidonis and you can see him with the sniper-scope on the back of your head. In my weird roleplayer mind I was just thinking, would my Shepard be doing this with any other character holding that sniper rifle? Would she trust any of the other companions short of maybe Tali from blowing her brains out?...

/endrant

No.  She wouldn't.    At least, not the crew from ME2.

Modifié par Sialater, 03 mars 2010 - 01:57 .

[Castanea]

Sialater wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Lol, I feel bad as a renegade in general.
But the paragon scene that really got to me in ME2 was when you're standing between him killing Sidonis and you can see him with the sniper-scope on the back of your head. In my weird roleplayer mind I was just thinking, would my Shepard be doing this with any other character holding that sniper rifle? Would she trust any of the other companions short of maybe Tali from blowing her brains out?...

/endrant

No.  She wouldn't.    At least, not the crew from ME2.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. That's why for some reason I always found that scene so emotionally deep. <3

[Sialater]

Castanea wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Lol, I feel bad as a renegade in general.
But the paragon scene that really got to me in ME2 was when you're standing between him killing Sidonis and you can see him with the sniper-scope on the back of your head. In my weird roleplayer mind I was just thinking, would my Shepard be doing this with any other character holding that sniper rifle? Would she trust any of the other companions short of maybe Tali from blowing her brains out?...

/endrant

No.  She wouldn't.    At least, not the crew from ME2.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. That's why for some reason I always found that scene so emotionally deep. <3

Now, would she have the confidence of anyone other than him just accidentally popping a shot off from either crew?  Nope, that either.  So, it's not just trust, it's skill, too.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Garrus is the least likely to betray shepard. His personality changes drastically after his best friend is spaced. Since hes so emotionally disturbed, he'd probably end up committing suicide if shepard dies again, especially if its because of him.