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[Nivenus]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Wrex likes Garrus at all and I think that carries into ME2. "I don't care what aliens call it" he says to Garrus complete with dismissive hand wave. I think he tolerates Garrus but that is about it.

I meant that Wrex seemed to have more of a rapport with Shepard than Wrex in ME1. Garrus' interactions with Shepard were largely professional or teacher/student in nature. Wrex and Shepard seemed to have more of a personal relationship.

EDIT: Top o' the page.



No idea where this came from, but it's awesome. :happy:

Modifié par Nivenus, 20 mai 2010 - 09:37 .

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Wrex likes Garrus at all and I think that carries into ME2. "I don't care what aliens call it" he says to Garrus complete with dismissive hand wave. I think he tolerates Garrus but that is about it.

I think you're right. The banter they had give me that sort of vibe.

Garrus: I’d love to see what the Normandy can do in a fight.
Wrex: Only an idiot hopes for combat while flying in a stealth ship.
Garrus:
But the stealth drive adds a new tactical level to a space combat as we
know it. Surprise attacks, undetected flanking maneuvers…
Wrex: This isn’t a strategy simulation, if those new tactics don’t work, we’re salvage.

Garrus: I’m surprised that you’re willing to kill your own, Wrex. Aren’t the Krogan just a few generations away from extinction?
Wrex: You don’t get it. For all your talk of honor and pride, the Turians never had to test their principle in a real struggle
Wrex:
Anyone who fights us is either stupid or on Saren’s payroll. Killing
the latter is business. Killing the former is a favor to the universe.

Garrus: I'd been raised to see Krogan as bloodthirsty thugs, but you've surprised me, Wrex. You are different.
Wrex: The genophage is a lot easier to swallow when all Krogan are savage monsters, isn't it?
Wrex: Why don't you head back to the Normandy, kid? If you stay here in the real world, you might have to learn something.

Wrex: So, how about it, Garrus? Is this better than C-Sec?
Garrus: Fighting a rogue Spectre with countless lives at stake and no regulations to get in the way? I’d say that beats C-Sec.
Wrex: There may just be hope for you yet, Turian.

Wrex: So tell me, who’d win in a fight between you and Shepard?
Garrus: @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ (<--- I have no idea what this is supposed to be)

Wrex: Must be hard for you, Garrus, knowing that the person behind all this death and destruction is a Turian Spectre.
Garrus: Saren is either a traitor or a madman. Taking him down will restore the good name of Turians everywhere.
Wrex: Glad to hear it, I was losing sleep over the prospect of people not liking the Turians.

Modifié par Collider, 20 mai 2010 - 09:41 .

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Wrex likes Garrus at all and I think that carries into ME2. "I don't care what aliens call it" he says to Garrus complete with dismissive hand wave. I think he tolerates Garrus but that is about it.

I meant that Wrex seemed to have more of a rapport with Shepard than Wrex in ME1. Garrus' interactions with Shepard were largely professional or teacher/student in nature. Wrex and Shepard seemed to have more of a personal relationship.

Depends on the Shepard. My Shepard felt loads closer to Garrus than he did Wrex.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I don't think Wrex likes Garrus at all and I think that carries into ME2. "I don't care what aliens call it" he says to Garrus complete with dismissive hand wave. I think he tolerates Garrus but that is about it.

I meant that Wrex seemed to have more of a rapport with Shepard than Wrex in ME1. Garrus' interactions with Shepard were largely professional or teacher/student in nature. Wrex and Shepard seemed to have more of a personal relationship.

Depends on the Shepard. My Shepard felt loads closer to Garrus than he did Wrex.

I admit there's room for interpretation. It's just the dialogue felt that way to me.

[Collider]

Epic fail I read in another thread:



"Garrus is a turian version of Conrad Verner

He can't get things done without Shep holding his hand.

...and Shepard had to rescue him"



Wow.

[Nivenus]

In ME1 I was most comfortable with Ash, Kaidan, and Wrex. That being said, I thought Wrex, Tali, and Garrus were the most interesting characters.

[Chimervera]

I don't think I've participated in the Garrus LM discussion yet, so here goes:

I took the paragon options, but for the renegade reasons.

With both Saleon and Sidonis, I didn't want them to die. How can they suffer if they are dead? I don't want to leave it up to some hypothetical afterlife and just hope they get what they deserve - I want them to suffer, and I want to be able to see it.

With Saleon, sending him to prison would make sure he suffered for his crimes every day. I was displeased that I had to kill him, because I felt he was getting the easy way out.

With Sidonis, he was obviously suffering, torturing himself. He is paying for what he did. I didn't want to end that - he hurt Garrus, was the reason Garrus almost died. He may not have wanted to betray Garrus, but that doesn't make his actions excusable. It's unlikely that he'd do something like that again, so I didn't feel the need to make sure he couldn't hurt others - but if he ever does, I will make sure that he never gets another chance.

Hateful? Yes - but I only feel that way about characters who either do something that goes strongly against my morals, or characters who hurt my team mates.

julian08 wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Wrex
is too, for the matter. I just found out today that one of the conditions that can get Wrex to stand down is to NOT recruit Garrus (blasphemy!)

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What? That's an option? (well, not really, but in theory)
What happens in ME2 if you do that?

Garrus' introduction in ME2 if you did NOT recruit him in ME1

Modifié par Chimervera, 20 mai 2010 - 09:47 .

[Collider]

In ME1 my favorite characters were easily Garrus, Kaidan, and Tali, and I felt the most comfortable with them too.

[Nivenus]

Paragon Shepards can actually be pretty mean if you think about it. It's not really about nice vs. jerkass-ness. I mean, yeah, it comes off that way sometimes, but when it gets down to it it's really more about whether you believe in using soft power (ideas) vs. hard power (force or threat of).



To put it in a political science perspective (since I just finished off my semester), it's Wilsonian idealism vs. political realism (a la Bismark).

[Collider]

Agree with Raga. Both options kind of suck. Either way Garrus' team is dead. Which sucks.

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

Epic fail I read in another thread:

"Garrus is a turian version of Conrad Verner
He can't get things done without Shep holding his hand.
...and Shepard had to rescue him"

Wow.

Ignore that. The person who said that is a big Garrushater. I've seen him in other threads and polls.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Collider wrote...

Epic fail I read in another thread:

"Garrus is a turian version of Conrad Verner
He can't get things done without Shep holding his hand.
...and Shepard had to rescue him"

Wow.

See that's the kind of crap that makes people create character threads.  Who wants to contend with that all day?

Very true. Same person is saying more stuff like that. You're right, having a thread where I don't have to hear irrational things like that about a character I like is great. The only thing I think may help the situation is if they moved the character threads to another forum so there's one for character support/discussion and another for storyline discussion.

[Nivenus]

Is Barquiel often that troll-ish? I can't recall.

[Collider]

@ Nivenus
The person in question has weird opinions, I'll give you that...I mean he likes Morinth of all people, among other things.

Modifié par Collider, 20 mai 2010 - 09:57 .

[Nivenus]

Best thing with trolls is just to ignore and report. Even confronting them or being snarky usually ends up giving them what they want (i.e., attention).



We've had to deal with trolls in the past frequently in the Tali thread, so we've learned a few defensive techniques (though a few posters still have difficulty restraining themselves).

[Cerrydd]

Nivenus wrote...

Is Barquiel often that troll-ish? I can't recall.

Well, not trollish, but he always shows off his dislike of Garrus.

[Collider]

Yea. Garrus doesn't get a lot of hate. Thank god.

[Barquiel]

Different people like different characters

Nobody complained about the OP
"Kaidan vs Garrus - Really? Reincarnated Carth vs Space Batman? Scoped and dropped. "Nice knowing you, Commander Alenko."

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

@ Nivenus
He has weird opinions, I'll give you that...I mean he likes Morinth of all people, among other things.

I can see why people would sympathize with Morinth. I can even see a few arguments for betraying Samara, even though I think even Renegade!Shepard's chances are better with Samara.

But empathizing with Morinth, feeling she's in the right, I can't see. I will never understand why some people feel that way.