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[Kim Shepard]

Well, I tried doing a bunch of side missions on the Citadel, and Liara still has no new conversation options. I'll have to try Noveria tomorrow and hope that works.

Alexine wrote...

Can't you just reject Liara by saying you just want to be friends after you've joked with her intending to study Shepard? I've always bullet dodged the romance from that one convo all the time. To be frank, I didn't like Liara, because she was creepy, though she was not so creepy in ME2.

Actually, the conversation ended right after Shepard's joke, aside from the Investigate options. I liked Liara more in ME2 as well, but bringing my Shepard back to life probably had something to do with that.

That conversation between Garrus and Kaidan about the L2 implants is interesting. So turians would just deal with the headaches if it'll make their biotics stronger? I wonder if they'd feel the same way about all the other side effects Dr. Chakwas mentioned.

Also, this mention of turian drinking has made me wonder how Saren manages to drink at all. He seems to have some parts of the faceplates missing, specifically around his teeth. xD Just when I sort of figured out how turian beds/pillows might work without fringe getting in the way, there's something new to try and figure out. (No headboards? They lie down with their heads at the edge of the bed so their fringe can hang off the end? And they pile their pillows up high because their giant collerbone thing would otherwise get in the way. Best thing I could think of.)

[battlechantress]

Another Garrus/Kaiden elevator convo (after the L2 implant discussion)... can't quote it exactly, it's 1 a.m. here and I've been up since 3 a.m. yesterday (massive chronic insomnia, YAY!), but Garrus compliments Kaiden on his biotic abilities, and Kaidan says that he "used to hold back, probably out of fear of hurting someone, but after Eden Prime (and... something else I think, can't remember) I don't hold back anymore."



I just caught up on the thread (30 pages behind... ouch), and always heard him and my Shepards shooting enemies up to AC/DC's "Back In Black" and "Highway to Hell" (the latter especially for the bridge on Omega).



And... oh yeah (I have the attention span of a ferret right now) thanks for posting the turian drawing tutorial and the uh, wildly disturbing new crackfic. My poor space hamsters will never sleep again.

[battlechantress]

I always figured turians just don't use beds. They don't strike me as being the "needing cushions" type. They probably just sleep on a floor or a mat (on their sides, presumably, due to the fringe). Which probably explains why Garrus doesn't even have a cot. That bench in near the guns can't possibly be wide enough for him to sleep on. Unless he has a "magic bed" behind his "magic fridge".  (Those sleeping pods don't seem like they'd work for turians due to the fringe; could be wrong though.)

Modifié par battlechantress, 21 mai 2010 - 06:22 .

[Kim Shepard]

Interesting. I don't think I've heard any of Kaidan's elevator conversations, probably because I haven't brought him around much, and my Shepards tend to take the Rapid Transport instead of walking (and getting lost). The Garrus/Wrex and Garrus/Tali conversations are the ones I've heard most.

I think "Highway To Hell" would be a great Mako-driving song for my Shepards. xD Especially on earlier playthroughs, when the Mako accidentally ran over poor, innocent wildlife. Wrex seemed to encourage crazy driving though.

Yeah, I thought of that sleeping on their sides possibility too... but I know it at least wouldn't work for Saren. The fringe on the sides of his head is too long.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Anybody brought up "I'll Stand By You" in music discussions?  Did I bring it up in music discussions?  I kind of don't think they're quite to the point in the relationship yet where it would be completely fitting, but maybe eventually...  Like maybe someday I'll see some AMVs of the last game with this song and it will be perfect then.  Or maybe it just depends on my mood whether it seems like a good idea or whether it would make me facepalm.  The lyrics remind me of it.

Especially starting here.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 21 mai 2010 - 06:34 .

[Collider]

I am looking forward to seeing how the Garrus/F!Shepard and Tali/M! Shepard relationships will develop. It's interesting to see where they will take those two, with the complications, awkwardness, and friendship of ME2 in mind and in context.

[Nilfalasiel]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Well, I tried doing a bunch of side missions on the Citadel, and Liara still has no new conversation options. I'll have to try Noveria tomorrow and hope that works.

That would be your problem right there. Do some planet side-missions. The Citadel ones might not count (because you're doing multiple missions in one place; the game probably registers the number of times you leave the Normandy as progression or something). At least, all the missions I did to trigger new Normandy convos were always planet side-missions.

Alexine wrote...

Can't you just reject Liara by saying you just want to be friends after you've joked with her intending to study Shepard? I've always bullet dodged the romance from that one convo all the time. To be frank, I didn't like Liara, because she was creepy, though she was not so creepy in ME2.

Yes, that's the right convo choice to turn her down, but it's NOT the same convo as the joke about studying Shepard. It comes afterwards.

My problem with Liara wasn't so much that she was creepy (which she definitely was, especially in ME2, I found), but her loose morality. On the one hand, she's a virgin and quite shy/asocial, and keeps getting offended at people's opinions about asari promiscuity. On the other hand, she falls for Shepard extremely quickly and seems to be oddly ok with blurring relationship lines. Even if you are romancing Kaidan/Ashley and tell her as much, she'll STILL ask if there's an attraction between you and herself. Then, if you string both her and Kaidan/Ashley along, and have the confrontation convo, it's Kaidan/Ashley who will walk away if you suggest a threesome. Liara won't bat an eyelid and then act as if you'd picked her. I mean, wut?

Apart from that, I don't really mind her. She's really not an interesting character in my book (she pretty much has no topics of conversation besides asari culture and getting into Shepard's pants), but at least she's not as in-your-face as Ashley. As long as you know how to navigate her turn-down. If you don't, then yeah, I can see her being maddeningly annoying.

That conversation between Garrus and Kaidan about the L2 implants is interesting. So turians would just deal with the headaches if it'll make their biotics stronger? I wonder if they'd feel the same way about all the other side effects Dr. Chakwas mentioned.

Yeah, that surprised me a bit. You'd think turians would put more importance on functional soldiers than raw firepower. Keeping L2 implants sounds more like something krogan would do, but maybe that's just me.

Concerning turian pillows, I was actually imagining one of those headrest thingies they use in African countries (clicky) That would raise the head just high enough that the fringe shouldn't get in the way (unless your name is Saren, in which case you'd need a headpillar instead of a headrest). Plus, it's more Spartan than a pillow, which seems like it would fit right into turian culture.

As for how they eat/drink, I think they gulp most things down, with minimal chewing. Their teeth all seem to be sharp, which means they're more suited for biting and tearing rather than chewing (they don't seem to have any molars). Combine that with the fact that they've been confirmed to have a gizzard, and you've got a plausible way of eating. Either their gizzard is properly constituted to grind down minimally chewed food, or they also need to eat pebbles or something equivalent to help with the digestion, just like birds.

@ silentstephi: Here's a protip for Horizon. It'll work on any difficulty, but you don't really need it on Normal/Casual, because you can deal with the husks relatively painlessly. The part with the 2 scions near the transmitter tower? You can kill them without even leaving the entrance to that area, and thus completely bypass the big husk rush. When you're at the entrance, move to the right side of the doorframe and zoom in. You should see the side of one of the scions sticking out from behind the transmitter tower. Just snipe it/Particle Beam it from here. Once that's done, move to the left side of the doorframe and do the same thing for the second scion! Also, bringing Mordin along must've been painful...I just took Grunt with Incendiary Ammo on Insanity. Worked just as well, and he has better survivability. I love Mordin, but he's a damn liability on higher difficulties.

@ Collider: What about Garrus/Liara elevator convos?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 21 mai 2010 - 08:29 .

[Alexine]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Apart from that, I don't really mind her. She's really not an interesting character in my book (she pretty much has no topics of conversation besides asari culture and getting into Shepard's pants), but at least she's not as in-your-face as Ashley. As long as you know how to navigate her turn-down. If you don't, then yeah, I can see her being maddeningly annoying.

I actually prefer Ashley than Liara. I think the in-your-face attitude that Ashley has has its reasons (she's raised in a military family and her family had to strive harder to remove their taint) Liara is just... dull. She just doesn't have an intellectual that would be expected. She acts like one of my history professors in one part, then the next she's a gushing high school teen. Her double personality is meh, but I do like her double personality in ME2, though it's a bit of a rush of events to why she's turned that quickly.

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Yeah, that surprised me a bit. You'd think turians would put more importance on functional soldiers than raw firepower. Keeping L2 implants sounds more like something krogan would do, but maybe that's just me.

Concerning turian pillows, I was actually imagining one of those headrest thingies they use in African countries (clicky) That would raise the head just high enough that the fringe shouldn't get in the way (unless your name is Saren, in which case you'd need a headpillar instead of a headrest). Plus, it's more Spartan than a pillow, which seems like it would fit right into turian culture.

Off-topic: Just looking at that pillow, it heavily reminds me of my Ancient Egypt essay I'm doing now. Archaeologists discovered them in their tombs, and some of them are made of gold (symbolic of course. Don't think the pharaoh or his queens would sleep on such an uncomfortable metal).

On topic: I think it suits when Garrus mentioning the L2 implants. Personally, I found that Turians value their firepower to an extent, and tha krogans focus more on brute strength.

Anyway, I need to get off and get some sleep (need to get up early tomorrow). To finish with some Garrus, I made him my wallpaper recently (an ME1 screenshot I took of him, still taking ME2 screenshots, very slowly).



Funnily enough, my mum commented on it (since she uses my computer) She asked why do I have a 3-D version of an Egyptian god. I just replied it's the best badass alien in the world galaxy (maybe turians were the Egyptian gods many thousand years ago *conspiracy theory*)

Modifié par Alexine, 21 mai 2010 - 09:24 .

[Collider]

Your desktop is freaking awesome.

[Nilfalasiel]

Alexine wrote...

I actually prefer Ashley than Liara. I think the in-your-face attitude that Ashley has has its reasons (she's raised in a military family and her family had to strive harder to remove their taint)

Oh, I totally understand why she's like that. It's not like she's arbitrarily annoying for no reason. In fact, I think she's a good character, I just happen to dislike her personality. But she's...how shall I put it?...believably dislikable to me. Which is a good thing. Unlike Liara, whom I just consider as a mediocre character.

Funnily enough, my mum commented on it (since she uses my computer) She asked why do I have a 3-D version of an Egyptian god. I just replied it's the best badass alien in the world galaxy (maybe turians were the Egyptian gods many thousand years ago *conspiracy theory*)

That is a kickass desktop indeed. It's from the ending, when they all think Shep is dead, isn't it?

And now that you mention it, Garrus could definitely pass as some kind of Egyptian deity, couldn't he? Another link to those headrest-pillows!

[Collider]

@ Collider: What about Garrus/Liara elevator convos?



One sec.

[Collider]

Liara: Now that you have experienced a Spectre's life firsthand, Garrus, do you regret leaving your security position?
Garrus: Fighting a rogue Spectre with countless lives at stake and no regulations to get in the way? I'd say that beats C-Sec.
Liara: I am unsure how the imminent destruction of all organic life "beats" anything, but your enthusiasm is comforting nonetheless.

Liara: Garrus, perhaps it is my own trouble with Benezia that makes me ask, but do you feel comfortable facing a respected Turian Spectre like Saren?
Garrus: Saren is either a traitor or a madman. Taking him down will restore the good name of Turians everywhere.
Liara: With your respect for the Spectres, I thought you might hesitate. I am glad I was wrong.

Garrus: I'd love to see what the Normandy can do in a fight.
Liara: How so? The Normandy is built for stealth, not combat.
Garrus: But the stealth drive adds a new tactical level to space combat as we know it. Surprise attacks, undetected flanking maneuvers...
Liara: I had forgotten the Turian appreciation for tactics and strategy. With respect, I hope we avoid ship-to-ship combat entirely.

Garrus: With all this exporation of Prothean culture, this must be like a survey for you, Liara.
Liara: Our travels now are somewhat different from my normal excavations. I would prefer lengthier studies... and fewer explosions.
Garrus: The loss of all this Prothean technology is just one more thing Saren will have to pay for.

Garrus: Sometimes I envy your biotic abilities, Doctor. But then, all your people have such skill.
Liara: While the Asari have natural biotic abilities, not all have the desire nor the skill to use their abilities effectively.
Garrus: Of course. I intended no disrespect to the effort you have put into your training. Pardon me.

Garrus: You must welcome civilization after spending such a long time in the Prothean ruins.
Liara: No. Cities and stations were always my mother's area of comfort. I actually enjoy the solitude of dig sites.
Garrus: After seeing so many Asari come through the Citadel, I assumed your people preferred large cities. I apologize.

Modifié par Collider, 21 mai 2010 - 09:42 .

[Cerrydd]

Collider wrote...

Garrus: Sometimes I envy your biotic abilities, Doctor. But then, all your people have such skill.
Liara: While the Asari have natural biotic abilities, not all have the desire nor the skill to use their abilities effectively.
Garrus: Of course. I intended no disrespect to the effort you have put into your training. Pardon me.

Garrus: You must welcome civilization after spending such a long time in the Prothean ruins.
Liara: No. Cities and stations were always my mother's area of comfort. I actually enjoy the solitude of dig sites.
Garrus: After seeing so many Asari come through the Citadel, I assumed your people preferred large cities. I apologize.

Garrus the Gentleman

I always liked Liara, I romanced her with both my mainShep and manShep. Her sudden personality change in ME2 makes her even more interesting to me, although it's a little bit too... sudden.

@ Alexine: First Garrus as Zeus and now as an Egyption god? What can I say... we love our men divine

[Collider]

I'm rather neutral about Liara. I just don't think she's particularly interesting. I don't like how the romance is damn fast.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Collider wrote...

Garrus: Sometimes I envy your biotic abilities, Doctor. But then, all your people have such skill.
Liara: While the Asari have natural biotic abilities, not all have the desire nor the skill to use their abilities effectively.
Garrus: Of course. I intended no disrespect to the effort you have put into your training. Pardon me.

Garrus: You must welcome civilization after spending such a long time in the Prothean ruins.
Liara: No. Cities and stations were always my mother's area of comfort. I actually enjoy the solitude of dig sites.
Garrus: After seeing so many Asari come through the Citadel, I assumed your people preferred large cities. I apologize.

Garrus the Gentleman

He is very polite with Liara, isn't he? More so than with Tali, but then I guess asari are accepted as a respectable race by everyone, while quarians aren't.

Thanks a lot for the info, Collider, btw. Are you mining these from the PC sound files?

Now all we need is Garrus/Ashley, and there will be a full list of Garrus elevator convos. That might actually be a good addition to the OP, don't you think?

@ Alexine: First Garrus as Zeus and now as an Egyptian god? What can I say... we love our men divine

We most certainly do ^^

[Collider]

He is very polite with Liara, isn't he? More so than with Tali, but then I guess asari are accepted as a respectable race by everyone, while quarians aren't.

I took this as another case of their brother/sister relationship. With Liara Garrus acts more professional, because they aren't close at all.

Are you mining these from the PC sound files?

I am willing them into existence



Here's Ashley and Garrus



Ashley: So, Garrus, any regrets about leaving C-Sec?

Garrus: Fighting a rogue Spectre with countless lives at stake and no regulations to get in the way? I’d say that beats C-Sec.

Ashley: True enough. I’d rather be fighting than trust it to somebody else.



Ashley: Saren was one of the most respected Turians in the galaxy, Garrus. Are you going to be okay going up against him?

Garrus: Saren is either a traitor or a madman. Taking him down will restore the good name of Turians everywhere.

Ashley: Just keep saying that, especially to humans. We’ve got a lot of angry people right now.



Garrus: I’d love to see what the Normandy can do in a fight.

Ashley: The Normandy isn’t built for a stand-up fight. I’d rather rely on the IES than the shields.

Garrus: But the stealth drive adds a new tactical level to a space combat as we know it. Surprise attacks, undetected flanking maneuvers…

Ashley: I don’t know, Garrus. I’d rather not be the first one up the ladder in terms of figuring out new tactics.



Garrus: Do you feel that your training in the human military prepared you well for your duties, Gunnery Chief?

Ashley: Trying to take down a rogue Spectre and his army of synthetics? No, they didn't cover this in Basic.



Garrus: I’m surprised to see you on the front lines, Chief Williams. Most women I’ve observed in your Alliance military serve in support roles.

Ashley: It's becoming more common, but it took a long time to prove that "ladies" could handle an assualt rifle or a shotgun.

Garrus: I doubt anyone who saw your skill under fire could remain skeptical.



Ashley: It’s strange. The Geth are attacking, and everyone around here is still worried about ordinary business.

Garrus: You’re military, Chief Williams. They’re civilians. Civilians never believe the enemy is coming until they’re at the gates.

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

I took this as another case of their brother/sister relationship. With Liara Garrus acts more professional, because they aren't close at all.

That's a good point. Still, he does say some pretty untactful things to Tali at first. The bit about being "properly contrite" and the bit about "rootless wanderers" come to mind.

I am willing them into existence

 Niftu Cal? Is that you?

"I am a biotic god! I think things, and they happen!"

Thanks again for the convos though, great resource! Dunno how they can be added to the OP, or if whoever's in charge would think that it's a good idea to add them, but at least they're here.

EDIT: Just stumbled across this little gem in the DA part of the forum...

IoCaster wrote...

Poleaxe wrote...


The number of people that want DA to be a dating sim is staggering. The next DA should come with a disclaimer- "DA characters and love interests should not be confused with real life."

It's a bit creepy actually, but not nearly as bad as the Mass Effect board. I don't bother with the ME forums much anymore since it seems to be populated by a group of demented furries. I'll qualify that by saying that it's not all of the posters on that board but there sure seem to be a bunch of them. I've seen some fan art over there that makes my skin crawl.

Another person who can't tell the difference between a sapient being and an animal...I know I shouldn't, but I still feel offended.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 21 mai 2010 - 10:37 .

[Chimervera]

Just finished adding the new banners, and I'll be working on the facts banner in a minute.

There's a link in the OP to a list of Garrus quotes, but none of those conversations are in there. I'll post them there in a minute.

Sorry, I'm a bit behind today. I just bought my first laptop and still have quite a bit of setting up to do.

[Collider]

Another person who can't tell the difference between a sapient being and an animal...I know I shouldn't, but I still feel offended.

That guy is totally wrong...he doesn't know what the term means and is not using it right. I try not to be affected by the opinions of people who don't now what they're talking about, but yea, it's hard sometimes and it's annoying. 

Modifié par Collider, 21 mai 2010 - 11:10 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

That guy is totally wrong...he doesn't know what the term means and is not using it right. I try not to be affected by the opinions of people who don't now what they're talking about, but yea, it's hard sometimes and it's annoying. 

It sure is. Oh well, just gotta deal with it.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 21 mai 2010 - 11:37 .

[Chimervera]

Updated facts banner:



Anything I missed?

[Sialater]

Minardii wrote...

Oh my steph, haha. Well, probably.. How birds or animals with beaks drink? D: They do have sort of birdlike tongues, and they confirmed the gullets in a story thing I believe..

Who knows! The phrase "Heck, i'll just knock it back!" just popped into my mind.

Birds scoop water into their lower beak and tilt their head back to allow it to slide down their throat.

Don't think turians could drink that way.

[battlechantress]

As I recall in ME1, Septimus basically drank like he was doing shots. That's probably how every other turian has to drink (and maybe even eat too).

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chimervera wrote...

Updated facts banner:



Anything I missed?

Chimi. i have a book about the 400 facts of chuck norris. Ready to do some extra work?

[AngryP1xel]

battlechantress wrote...

As I recall in ME1, Septimus basically drank like he was doing shots. That's probably how every other turian has to drink (and maybe even eat too).

That could just be the drinking animation because Shepard seems to drink the same way.  Maybe every drink is a shot in the future?