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[silentstephi]

lorderon99999 wrote...

well I just finished the game...and Garrus was always in my squad (except at the end he did 2 times squad leader...I knew he would not let anyone die)

I want him back in Mass Effect 3...because he his now my friend...always there and all...I did ME1 and ME2 final moments with him...so yah I support this thread

O.....I want him to have an important role in ME3 and also I want to see him in the debriefing after missions...because the crew is not Jacob and Miranda (Lol Jacob is a simple trooper...he had nothing special over the other character except from being more fun to talk with)

Woo another Garrus fan!  Honestly, it'd have been nifty if there was an option in there somewhere that let you like boot Jacob from those after mission meetings and bring in Garrus.  Cause really... he was my XO.  Miranda just does paperwork.  Jacob... well, he just durps in the armory.

Though, on that note, does anyone else notice that if everyone survives the final mission... you only see Jack, Grunt, Legion, and Garrus in that final shot before Joker give syou the Reaper diagnostics?  Like... distinct absence of Samara/Thane/Miranda/Tali/Zaeed. EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.

[Brass_Buckles]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
I don't think he's evil, or ruthless.  However, I think that in ME2, he can be very cold and calculating.  I also think that it wouldn't be hard for him to become evil and ruthless, given what he's been through.  For now, though, he's basically good, because he wants to make life better for the innocent civilians.  If that means taking out mercs who ship tainted eezo, then he will do it.  I imagine tainted eezo is a dangerous thing, since it's used to propel ships as well as for biotics.  Probably, those shipments the mercs were making got people killed indirectly--or risked it.  Garrus was simply trying to solve the problem.  However, that doesn't mean that I or my characters have to agree with his methods.

I'm confused as to where you get the impression that Garrus is cold & calculating.  I find his character to be one of the most open and warm of the entire ME2 bunch.  He's passionate when it comes to his beliefs and loyalites, and this is what spurs him to seek vengeance against Sidonis - I don't think it stems from anything ruthless or unfeeling in his character, but the exact opposite.  He took Sindonis's betrayal (and the subsequent loss of his team) to an extreme because he cared too much.

His plan to lure Sidonis out could possibly be considered "calculating", but I don't think in the context you mean.

I didn't say he is, I said he can be.  Just look at how he treats Sidonis.  If that isn't a well-planned cold-blooded murder, I don't know what is.  Not that I don't understand Garrus's point of view... but it's premeditated.  It's also very unlike Garrus as we know him in ME1.

Also, guys and gals:  I have nothing against you finding turians attractive.  However, because I do enjoy the Garrus romance, I suppose I kind of feel obligated to say that I don't like their looks kind of like I'm defending my own viewpoint.  I can kind of see why you would (Garrus in armor has a very masculine-looking build so I can understand why people would go for that), so it's not a matter of trying to disparage you.  And frankly I adore Garrus's personality (it's cute when he's awkward and hilarious when he cracks a joke) and enjoy his backstory.  I will admit that the smut stuff is a little scary to me.  But whatever makes you guys happy, enjoy it.  If I weren't a giggling, idiotic fangirl I wouldn't be here.

[Gar_Logan]

silentstephi wrote...
Woo another Garrus fan!  Honestly, it'd have been nifty if there was an option in there somewhere that let you like boot Jacob from those after mission meetings and bring in Garrus.

It's not really an option...but turning off "selectable" on everyone except Garrus on a saved game editor lets you just play with Garrus in your squad. It works really well, until your squad mates are supposed to have a conversation. Like the "We're allowed to disobey suicide orders? Why wasn't I told?!" Garrus would say that...and then answer himself. It's hilarious. XD

But yeah.

[Arab25]

I just saw this on Facebook it's by someone called Cayenne Nefehrtus apparently. It is also hilarious.

and here's the Garrus one

[silentstephi]

Arab25 wrote...



I just saw this on Facebook it's by someone called Cayenne Nefehrtus apparently. It is also hilarious.

and here's the Garrus one

/blink

CUTE!  OMG!

[aznsoisauce]

...rawr!

;D



@silentstephi - you know, I keep trying to remember to take note on the squaddies I see after each suicide run I do. But, yeah. It's kind of bizarre. Grunt and Garrus make sense for my Shep since I rolled with them plenty. But...Jack and Legion? It just made me wonder where the **** Tali and Zaeed were.

[Ms Cherissa]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Also, guys and gals:  I have nothing against you finding turians attractive.  However, because I do enjoy the Garrus romance, I suppose I kind of feel obligated to say that I don't like their looks kind of like I'm defending my own viewpoint.  I can kind of see why you would (Garrus in armor has a very masculine-looking build so I can understand why people would go for that), so it's not a matter of trying to disparage you.  And frankly I adore Garrus's personality (it's cute when he's awkward and hilarious when he cracks a joke) and enjoy his backstory.  I will admit that the smut stuff is a little scary to me.  But whatever makes you guys happy, enjoy it.  If I weren't a giggling, idiotic fangirl I wouldn't be here.

Dawwwww.  :happy:  Just wanted to let you know why I had my hackles up, I guess. Sometimes we have to take the time to spell this stuff out. It's okay if it's his personality and his ability to kill-steal every single sniper shot you have ever lined up in game that got you over here.

Oh yeah, who was it that originally griped about that? Yeah, me, too. I'm all "Yeah, gonna go all sniper mode for Insani-- DAMNIT GARRUS YOU KILLSTEALING AVIAN-DRAGON-THING!"

And he says, "I LOVE this rifle!"

[Tootles FTW]

Asterantha wrote...
*Jumps in*

Nonono, I can see what they mean.  Garrus is, I agree, definitely passionate.  That can make him a little bit reckless, especially in ME1.  In ME2, however, he's gone off to become more autonomous from more 'standard' authority.  (Hang on, I'm getting to my point!)  He has now had the experience of a role filled with more leadership.  This certainly requires cunning.  He can be a bit...callous, too.  He has dismissed people in the past when out with my squad -- meaning, that is to say, that he doesn't really hesitate in the systematic execution of anyone that he believes is somehow 'guilty'...even if he doesn't fully investigate the situation.

Too me, he seems more like the guy with not too many friends -- but those that he has, he's extremely close with.  Garrus isn't truly a 'cold' individual, but he can be very exclusionary.  Hope I made what I'm trying to say clear.

Can you give me an example, because that sounds more like Samara than Garrus.  Where does he dismiss people?  When does he murder without provocation?  (And I don't mean to come off with an attitude when I ask this, I'm just sincerely curious!)

I know you can argue that setting Sidonis up can be considered cold-blooded.  But (to me) Sidonis should take responsibility for his crimes, and even though killing him in retaliation is a morally questionable means to that end you can hardly say it was without provocation.  ...though my MainShep never lets him take the shot, anyways. 

[Tootles FTW]

Brass_Buckles wrote...
I didn't say he is, I said he can be.  Just look at how he treats Sidonis.  If that isn't a well-planned cold-blooded murder, I don't know what is.  Not that I don't understand Garrus's point of view... but it's premeditated.  It's also very unlike Garrus as we know him in ME1.

I don't mean to be Devil's Advocate-y, but if that's the case than you can say that tracking down Dr. Saleon was cold-blooded.  He went in with the understanding (at least as far as I can recall) that he was going to kill the doctor when he found him. This behavior existed way back in ME1, but I think it got more of a pass because Dr. Saleon was an active participant in the deaths of innocents.  Sidonis was merely an accomplice in the deaths of his teammates, thus his hands aren't dirty.

But I think what is really bothering me is not your reasoning but your use of the term "cold-blooded", because to me cold-blooded implies some degree of cruelty in the execution, or the intent to do malicious and unjustified harm.  Bah, semantics. 

[aznsoisauce]

This actually made me feel sorry for the guys I keep leaving in the dust for Garrus.

[Brass_Buckles]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...
I didn't say he is, I said he can be.  Just look at how he treats Sidonis.  If that isn't a well-planned cold-blooded murder, I don't know what is.  Not that I don't understand Garrus's point of view... but it's premeditated.  It's also very unlike Garrus as we know him in ME1.

I don't mean to be Devil's Advocate-y, but if that's the case than you can say that tracking down Dr. Saleon was cold-blooded.  He went in with the understanding (at least as far as I can recall) that he was going to kill the doctor when he found him. This behavior existed way back in ME1, but I think it got more of a pass because Dr. Saleon was an active participant in the deaths of innocents.  Sidonis was merely an accomplice in the deaths of his teammates, thus his hands aren't dirty.

But I think what is really bothering me is not your reasoning but your use of the term "cold-blooded", because to me cold-blooded implies some degree of cruelty in the execution, or the intent to do malicious and unjustified harm.  Bah, semantics. 

No matter the justification, premeditated murder is always cold-blooded.  You took the time to plan it out, you knew what you were going to do.  And if Shepard helps?  Well how is that being a good friend?  You just served as an accomplice to Murder 1.  Good for renegades... paragons not so much, no matter how well you understand Garrus's situation (or think you do).  Why not just ask Shepard to do it?  The authorities can't help because everything that went wrong happened on Omega--and vigilantism is illegal as well.

[Tootles FTW]

@Brass -  if we're talking about legalities: Samara mentions that she witnessed Nihlus kill an unarmed person.  I don't know if this is standard amongt Spectres, but I didn't get the impression that he was acting outside of his bounds.  Spectres are above the law in the pursuit of the greater good - I think this is why Garrus opts to become one over C-Sec if you push him Renegade in ME1.  It's really the perfect fit for his idea of justice, and completely sanctioned by the Council.  /shrug

Personally killing of any kind is abhorrent to me, but in video games/other media entertainment my morals are much more flexible (which I hear Garrus appreciates  ).

*Edited to say that I don't really know what point I'm even trying to get across anymore.  I'm just talking to talk. 

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 03 mars 2010 - 07:12 .

[bushes289]

About the Garrus is a bit of a racist thing, I never got that at all. He's highly critical and tends to stereotype yes. But I think racist is to harsh, for example in the first game he looks down on quarians and krogan because the quarians created the geth and the krogan are viewed as savage warmongers, a trait that they don't deny. But he can't really help it because turians are all about the group, he probably generalizes by species because his culture demands it.

The effect that culture has on our development is terrifying, for example in Japan when you commit suicide, you're doing it because you failed society, in North America you commit suicide because society failed you.

Just look at the way he treats Shepard in the first game. If he was a racist he would have dismissed everything you told him, (there's no reasoning with racists, they tend to be set in their views) instead he takes whatever Shepard tells him incredibly seriously, he gives Shepard, a human he hardly knows more power over him than his own father. So no I don't think he's racist, he's just hard to impress and makes judgements to soon.

On a side note, why is it that whenever GarrusxShep smut fics are written Shepard is almost always submissive, for lack of a better word. It's extremely ooc of her, because while we have more control over Shepard than most fictional characters there are certain aspects that we can't change. Like the fact that she/he is a leader, and therefore is in possesion of no matter what background you choose a dominant personality. A leader is always dominant person, you need to be assertive and a submissive personality can't do that. Anyway the point is, a leader, like Shepard, arguably the best leader in the galaxy doesn't suddenly become submissive in the bedroom, it doesn't make sense.

If someone has to be dominant, the game makes it pretty obvious who "wears the pants" in their relationship (Hint: it's not Garrus). I'm not saying that Shepard should be the one top all the time, it's just that it's ooc to the extreme if she doesn't fight for it. Besides, it's fairly obvious that Garrus isn't used to submissive women, he never did say who won that tiebreaker after all.

I have my own thoughts on why people make Femshep a maiden in the bedroom all the time but I'd like to hear your opinions first since a lot of you actually wrote some of these fics.

Modifié par bushes289, 03 mars 2010 - 07:20 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Tootles FTW wrote...

@Brass -  if we're talking about legalities: Samara mentions that she witnessed Nihlus kill an unarmed person.  I don't know if this is standard amongt Spectres, but I didn't get the impression that he was acting outside of his bounds.  Spectres are above the law in the pursuit of the greater good - I think this is why Garrus opts to become one over C-Sec if you push him Renegade in ME1.  It's really the perfect fit for his idea of justice, and completely sanctioned by the Council.  /shrug

Personally killing of any kind is abhorrent to me, but in video games/other media entertainment my morals are much more flexible (which I hear Garrus appreciates  ).

*Edited to say that I don't really know what point I'm even trying to get across anymore.  I'm just talking to talk. 

I'm just about as paragon in real life as my character is in-game.  It's not just about legalities.  I can't fathom actually planning to kill someone no matter what they did to me (or another person).  But with the offenses taking place on Omega, where there are no legal channels, I can see where the law would be in Garrus's hands.  Still, imagine the trauma he'd inflict on the bystanders who witnessed the slaying of Sidonis.

I'm not saying Sidonis doesn't deserve it, I'm saying Garrus is better than that.  And even he knows it.

[siltsonata]

My brain is too tired to comment on anything but the racism stuff, because I have something terribly dorky to add:

Brass_Buckles wrote...

To be fair, he comes off as a bit racist in the first game.  "Well, turians would do it this way..." and "I'm doing this to clear the honor of turians..."  You know, elevator conversations with Tali, Wrex, and Kaidan all indicate that he considers turians a bit superior.  Perhaps that's the real reason he thinks interspecies relations are strange.  Other turians don't have any problem hooking up with asari.

I always forgive and even forget to notice that, because it reminds me of...damn, but this might just be me talking to the wind, crap:  Did anybody read Animorphs when they were a kid? (Or now?  Because I totally don't have a big stack that I still read regularly I'm not still obsessed? Question marks?)

If anybody knows what I'm talking about, he has that racial pride that is exactly like an Andalite.

That makes me more willing to forgive and forget, partly because of that nostalgia and partly because he just thinks they're better.  Not racism in his mind:

Turians take orders better: FACT
Turians are more "civilized" than Krogans: FACT (I'm recalling his elevator conversation with Wrex here.)

Just facts.  I tend to interpret it as more him being elitist and a bit naive rather than being black/white, no gray racist.

[MarginalBeast]

bushes289 wrote...
On a side note, why is it that whenever GarrusxShep smut fics are written Shepard is almost always submissive, for lack of a better word. It's extremely ooc of her, because while we have more control over Shepard than most fictional characters there are certain aspects that we can't change. Like the fact that she/he is a leader, and therefore is in possesion of no matter what background you choose a dominant personality. A leader is always dominant person, you need to be assertive and a submissive personality can't do that. Anyway the point is, a leader, like Shepard, arguably the best leader in the galaxy doesn't suddenly become submissive in the bedroom, it doesn't make sense.

If someone has to be dominant, the game makes it pretty obvious who "wears the pants" in their relationship (Hint: it's not Garrus). I'm not saying that Shepard should be the one top all the time, it's just that it's ooc to the extreme if she doesn't fight for it. Besides, it's fairly obvious that Garrus isn't used to submissive women, he never did say who won that tiebreaker after all.

I have my own thoughts on why people make Femshep a maiden in the bedroom all the time but I'd like to hear your opinions first since a lot of you actually wrote some of these fics.

Surely you're aware that someone's behavior/personality in the bedroom can often be completely different from their normal behavior, right?

I don't see how Shepard being a great leader has anything to do with her sex life, but maybe that's just me. Just because she's an assertive woman when it matters doesn't mean that she's going to be super dominant in the bedroom. Of course I can't imagine her acting like a pure blushing maiden either, but somewhere in-between isn't that far from the realm of possiblity. Besides, I would fully expect both Garrus and Shepard to be at least a little nervous when they first have sex. No matter how confident Shepard acts normally, I just don't believe that she's going to completely know what she's doing if she's never had sex with a turian before. I imagine it would be quite an awkward (but not unenjoyable) experience for both of them.

Also, I've never read an erotic Garrus/Shepard fanfic in which Shepard wasn't aggressive and completely in control, so perhaps you just aren't looking in the right places? And keep in mind that this is fanfiction we're talking about. The way others envision Shepard is never going to align completely with the way you do.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 03 mars 2010 - 07:41 .

[silentstephi]

MarginalBeast wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
On a side note, why is it that whenever GarrusxShep smut fics are written Shepard is almost always submissive, for lack of a better word. It's extremely ooc of her, because while we have more control over Shepard than most fictional characters there are certain aspects that we can't change. Like the fact that she/he is a leader, and therefore is in possesion of no matter what background you choose a dominant personality. A leader is always dominant person, you need to be assertive and a submissive personality can't do that. Anyway the point is, a leader, like Shepard, arguably the best leader in the galaxy doesn't suddenly become submissive in the bedroom, it doesn't make sense.

If someone has to be dominant, the game makes it pretty obvious who "wears the pants" in their relationship (Hint: it's not Garrus). I'm not saying that Shepard should be the one top all the time, it's just that it's ooc to the extreme if she doesn't fight for it. Besides, it's fairly obvious that Garrus isn't used to submissive women, he never did say who won that tiebreaker after all.

I have my own thoughts on why people make Femshep a maiden in the bedroom all the time but I'd like to hear your opinions first since a lot of you actually wrote some of these fics.

Surely you're aware that someone's behavior/personality in the bedroom can often be completely different from their normal behavior, right?

I don't see how Shepard being a great leader has anything to do with her sex life, but maybe that's just me. Just because she's an assertive woman when it matters doesn't mean that she's going to be super dominant in the bedroom. Of course I can't imagine her acting like a pure blushing maiden either, but somewhere in-between isn't that far from the realm of possiblity. Besides, I would fully expect both Garrus and Shepard to be at least a little nervous when they first have sex. No matter how confident Shepard acts normally, I just don't believe that she's going to completely know what she's doing if she's never had sex with a turian before. I imagine it would be quite an awkward (but not unenjoyable) experience for both of them.

Also, I've never read an erotic Garrus/Shepard fanfic in which Shepard wasn't aggressive and completely in control, so perhaps you just aren't looking in the right places? And keep in mind that this is fanfiction we're talking about. The way others envision Shepard is never going to align completely with the way you do.

I've read a few where FemShep makes me /eyeroll at how much of a push over she's become... and I've read some where Garrus has suddenly turned sub.  Which makes me go wait... huh?  Of the two personalities, sure Shep's the stronger, because Garrus naturally follows her, but he's a leader in his own right. 

Now, I don't think there's no room for a softer side to FemShep, you get a tiny bit of that in the "no pressure" dialogue she has.  That I think was possibly the gentilest thing that comes out of my Renegades mouth... like ever.  And it makes perfect sense.  'Cause they're BFFs and she wants more damn it!

Did  I mention I'm sleeping on the couch tonight since the hub has the plague?  /insomina strikes again

[Chimervera]

bushes289 wrote...
On a side note, why is it that whenever GarrusxShep smut fics are written Shepard is almost always submissive, for lack of a better word. It's extremely ooc of her, because while we have more control over Shepard than most fictional characters there are certain aspects that we can't change. Like the fact that she/he is a leader, and therefore is in possesion of no matter what background you choose a dominant personality. A leader is always dominant person, you need to be assertive and a submissive personality can't do that. Anyway the point is, a leader, like Shepard, arguably the best leader in the galaxy doesn't suddenly become submissive in the bedroom, it doesn't make sense.

If someone has to be dominant, the game makes it pretty obvious who "wears the pants" in their relationship (Hint: it's not Garrus). I'm not saying that Shepard should be the one top all the time, it's just that it's ooc to the extreme if she doesn't fight for it. Besides, it's fairly obvious that Garrus isn't used to submissive women, he never did say who won that tiebreaker after all.

I have my own thoughts on why people make Femshep a maiden in the bedroom all the time but I'd like to hear your opinions first since a lot of you actually wrote some of these fics.

With my Shepard, I always see it as more of an 'equal partnership'. When she's alone with Garrus, she doesn't want to be 'the Commander', she just wants to be Shepard. I can't see her being submissive – it's just not in her nature – but I can't see her being particularly dominant, either. Garrus being submissive would just feel...wrong. Like she was taking advantage of him. Nervous is fine, and my Shepard would be fine with taking the lead once in a while, but if she was always 'the Commander' I can't see the relationship lasting for a long time. Part of being in a relationship is about trust and vulnerability – trusting that you don't always have to be 'the strong one' or the 'dominant one'.

Uhh, but I think I'm rambling now.

The point (it's in there somewhere!) - I can't really see Shepard being dominant or submissive, I see it as something between equals.

Modifié par Chimervera, 03 mars 2010 - 08:08 .

[Tootles FTW]

Ref. Garrus & FemShep sexy times - What with the way FemShep comes onto Garrus (in a fashion that's unfortunately beyond our control ) you would think that she would be the dominate or more active partner in the bedroom, for at least the first encounter.  I see both as being awkward in the basic mechanics of it, but sooner or later the sex drive will take over and...well, Garrus is a man after all. 

I don't like dwelling over dom/sub roles simply because it removes the romance for me & enters into kink territory.

I have to state, though, that the idea of Garrus suddenly turning into this suave casanova is a complete turn-off.  We've never had evidence in-game of Garrus acting like this, and I am content to leaving this unfortunate male archetype to Jacob. 

[Castanea]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Ref. Garrus & FemShep sexy times - What with the way FemShep comes onto Garrus (in a fashion that's unfortunately beyond our control ) you would think that she would be the dominate or more active partner in the bedroom, for at least the first encounter.  I see both as being awkward in the basic mechanics of it, but sooner or later the sex drive will take over and...well, Garrus is a man after all. 

I don't like dwelling over dom/sub roles simply because it removes the romance for me & enters into kink territory.

I have to state, though, that the idea of Garrus suddenly turning into this suave casanova is a complete turn-off.  We've never had evidence in-game of Garrus acting like this, and I am content to leaving this unfortunate male archetype to Jacob. 

Yeah, if I had one complaint about the FemShep/Garrus romance would be the way it was initiated, it was far too flirty in my eyes and I think it should have been a more gradual change from friends to lovers. Or at least used an approach like with Thane's romance (which is my runner up favorite).
I don't think Garrus turns into a suave Casanova, if anything he was the most nervous in the relationship.. Which I found cute.

[Mr Heatsink]

Romance is tricky to write. I'm writng one right now. The thing is that it's a subtle dance with neither person dom or sub but both have to be understanding and be ready to perk the other up if they feel a bit apprehensive. I have written romance before for other universes but this one is proving a challenge as my Paragon Shep is an assertive and caring woman but she wants someone who can be her rock as she is everyone elses rock. So she will be both accepting and wanting. Thats how I see it but thats the beuty about Shepard. She/he is the players personal taste. We have been given the main points and we are building up the little facets of their personality. Thats the beauty of Shepard. They are unique to each player. Still, keep tuned to this space if there are any persons interested.

[bushes289]

 

Surely you're aware that someone's behavior/personality in the bedroom can often be completely different from their normal behavior, right?

I don't see how Shepard being a great leader has anything to do with her sex life, but maybe that's just me. Just because she's an assertive woman when it matters doesn't mean that she's going to be super dominant in the bedroom. Of course I can't imagine her acting like a pure blushing maiden either, but somewhere in-between isn't that far from the realm of possiblity. Besides, I would fully expect both Garrus and Shepard to be at least a little nervous when they first have sex. No matter how confident Shepard acts normally, I just don't believe that she's going to completely know what she's doing if she's never had sex with a turian before. I imagine it would be quite an awkward (but not unenjoyable) experience for both of them.

Also, I've never read an erotic Garrus/Shepard fanfic in which Shepard wasn't aggressive and completely in control, so perhaps you just aren't looking in the right places? And keep in mind that this is fanfiction we're talking about. The way others envision Shepard is never going to align completely with the way you do.

I know that behaviour can change inthe bedroom, some just take it way to far, I believe you misunderstood me. I know that their relationship is about trust and I have no problem with it being an equal thing, it's just that I've read to many fics where I have to sit back and ask "Since when did Shepard become so a girl from the 1700's?" It really depends on how it's written, I don't like to think of dominant and submissive either but some of those fics make it that way. Seriously, if Garrus "dominantly growls" at her she's not going to take that lying down. People have written worse but I'd like to keep my post from becoming M rated.

Forget about different Shepards for a moment, based om their romantic dialogue and their entire relationship Shepard is definetly the dominant one, expecially if you play paragon, I believe someone stated above that on that first night Shepard would be the more dominant one, if only for the first night. I agree with this one hundred percent, after all, Garrus is a leader and therefore dominant in his own right. I believe it would be ooc see for him to be to submissive as well, the relationship would probably become more equal as he became more comfortable.

Someone mentioned that Garrus is a male and that would make him  more inclined towards assertiveness. That would be true if he were human. The truth is we don't know the relationship between male and female turians. Males aren't always the dominant species, hell female black widows eat the males when their finished with them. The only thing we have to go on is is his one night stand and it's pretty obvious that neither of them were being submssive.

Anyway as I said above Garrus being submissive is ooc, I didn't mention it before because a too submissive Garrus isn't a problem, there was no need to comment on it. it's just that there are too many fics where Garrus is so dominant it acually turns my stomach  because of how wrong it feels. 

Modifié par bushes289, 03 mars 2010 - 02:00 .

[Sialater]

Garrus' rigidity in ME1 is why I say he seems a bit naive and little brother-ish to Shep (to me at least). It's not racism, it's the conviction of someone very young that everything he's seen makes him an expert on the world around him. Turians are therefore superior and Alenko is to be congratulated for suffering the migraines the L2 implant brings him because they make him strong and the other L2s are wusses and krogans are brutish and quarians are space gypsies.



So, I don't think it's racism, it's the utterly unshakable conviction of youth. Shep, his mentor, savior, friend, dies and he gets a hell of a shock to his universe.



And as far as Garrus' team falling apart during the raid that took them out... how well would Shep's team function without her? Jack would kill Miranda, or try to. Samara would take off on her next quest, Jacob would fall apart, they'd all be easy pickings.